What's your opinion about your country's leader and benefits in Civilization games? America always gets Washington, who isn't a bad choice, but it does get a little samey.
Russia should be Peter the Great
China should be Cao Cao
Austria should be Metternich
England should be Victoria
Spain should be Charles II
none
>>52726493
Why Victoria over Elizabeth?
Suleiman was a shit tier sultan.They should've pick II.Mehmet or Selim the Grim
>>52726663
Victorian Era > Elizabethian Era
>>52727281
Suleiman the Magnificent was the bomb
>>52726322
the military bonus for america is too powerful imho
>>52726493
Civ IV had Peter I think.
>>52726493
Yeah, Catherine is cool, but after all Peter is the true symbol of innovation and enligthenment in Russia.
>>52726493
Cao Cao was just the prime minister
He isn't good enough
Plenty of other rebel leaders to emperor to choose from
England and the British Empire should be separate civs
I'd rather shake up our leaders. We've had kings and queens plus churchill for too long.
I'd like to have guys like Clement Attlee, David Lloyd George etc take over that spot, change the perception of England in those games slightly.
>>52727606
Which makes sense
Nothing against Catherine but it was Peter who transformed Russia from a backwater who missed out on the renaissance into a great power
Without him they'd be a finland tier country
>>52727736
I'd also like to throw Oliver Cromwell in there.
>>52727746
>finland tier country
?
finland and estonia were the most advanced and prosperous regions of the empire if you exclude the city of piter...
>>52726322
Love Lizzy and Victoria desu
>>52727537
I wonder why?
Kekkonen is better than Gustavus Adolphus :^)
>>52727835
Think that NZer is trying hard to be an Australian.
That is, shitposting hard.
>>52727785
>I'd also like to throw Oliver Cromwell in there.
>>52726322
That game almost got banned for making one of our most revered monarchs look like our recent fugitive prime minister.
Also for a while you were not allowed to declare war on Siam if you play the game in public.
But the law was recently revised so that you can declare war but you're just not allowed to capture the last Siamese city because that would end with the king being depicted in a position of defeat.
Can't have that.
>>52727989
Not sure if serious
>>52727989
You Thais are a bit weird 2bh
>>52727989
oh my god!
>>52727989
>>52727969
>>52727835
No offense but your countries are just clay for the bigger ones to pass around. Without Peter the Great Russia would have been a thrall nation too
>>52726322
>your country ... in Civilization games?
>>52728118
>what is thirty years' war-era Sweden
>>52728118
iirc there was a city state of helsinki, but i may be wrong about that
>>52728264
Yeah, there was in Vanilla. It became one of Sweden's cities in G&K.
>>52726322
I don't like Civ V's implementation of the Celts, especially the rotational city naming. The forest bonus isn't brilliant and Boudicca is kind of a lame leader also.
>>52727657
>Cao Cao was just the prime minister
The Emperor had no power, it was all Cao Cao.
>>52728330
>Edinburgh is the capital
I bet this infuriates potato niggers
>>52727736
>clement atlee
Would be worth it for the introduction.
>you, clement atlee are regarded by little englanders as the greatest prime minister ever. in one term as prime minister you lost the largest empire in the history of the world forever dooming your people to being yankee stooges. In doing so you managed to slightly increase the standard of living for the working class rats by establishing the nhs so people wont even call you out for being a worthless soft cock even though your nation has had to put itself into enormous debt to pay for it and hire shit tier staff from developing nations to man it. now go sir clement atlee, take this great nation and fuck it up forever
Would be pretty good, the UK under Atlee could start off with plenty of profitable cities on every continent and a huge military force but quickly have to drop it all to keep up happiness in the large capital
>>52728365
why not choose someone who didn't even need the office to exercise imperial power
like liu bang or li yuan or zhu yuanzhang, cao cao's fame is really from the novel
>>52728413
Especially when you consider Edinburgh's Anglo Saxon roots
>>52728330
Boudicca is English
>>52728457
Underrated post
>>52728413
Why would it? The whole city naming is fucked by some weird PC bullshit of dividing the whole list evenly among the six nations.
>>52728500
English people weren't invented until hundreds of years later.
I liked vadim kozlov and satellites bonuses
>>52728623
She is still an English hero, stop appropriating our culture. Shitlord
Isabella doesn't fit well with the tercios, since they came a lot later than her, and conquistadors didn't come until Charles the first so the seven cities of gold bonus don't fit her neither
literally no point in playing anything other than babylon and maybe egypt anyways. the world wonders were far too imbalanced in Civ 5
>>52728676
why is she an English hero, because she lived in the same place hundreds of year previously? Protestants using her as an example of Roman opposition? What's the deal yo.
>>52728730
Sorry, gotta have a queen because of muh progressiveness.
t. Firaxis
>>52726322
in civ 4 we have Stalin and it's a bit weird but based
America has some of the worst and most boring bonuses imo, the devs tried too hard to not appear chauvinist I think.
Sweden has a really swagger ruler but the bonuses are mediocre.
>>52727906
top kek
>>52726493
>China should be Cao Cao
No. If anything China should be either Qin Shi Huang, or Mao.
>>52728842
>why is she an English hero, because she lived in the same place hundreds of year previously?
Yes, she thought against the Romans when they were occupying England. She is an English hero.
>>52729269
B-but he was Georgian
>>52730124
Wasn't Catherine German?
>>52730151
Fucking Russian cucks
>>52730151
Wasn't Washington English?
>>52729155
Isabel is GOAT queen though
They should have made tihs more interesting and add Ivan the Terrible, Lenin, Stalin, Pu..
>>52730049
what do you make of king arthur fighting the English who were occupying England
>>52726493
>Spain should be Charles II
I find that weird. Charles II was one of the worst kings Spain has had, mainly because he was a rather ill-tempered monarch and unable to govern his country well.
Isabella II, with which Spain had the first constitutional monarchy because Maria Cristina wanted to protect her daughter's successorial rights against the carlists, should be there. Study a bit please.
>Napoleon over Louis XIV
But why ?
>>52732210
I think France should have some medieval/ancient badass as leader like Jeanne d'Arc, St Louis or Charlemagne (Germans would get butthurt tho)
>>52732414
Philip Augustus would be the most logical choice then
>>52730124
yeah sure
and USSR wasnt a russian state so I cant get why he's considered as a russian leader in civ 4
>>52726322
>Washington
Didn't you had Lincoln in the past, FDR in 4 and Kennedy in some mobile spin-off lately?
and numerous others in scenarions, including CSA in latest
I don't think leaders modern like this should even lead anyone in such games. maybe aside total rulers like stalin or hitler
I don't think primitive nations like zulus or colonial new nations like us and a, brazil, canada, australia, jamaica, nicaragua, mexico (most from CTP) should even be included in such games. it's hard to call them "civilisations"
>>52732210
emperor > king :^)
charlemagne would made sense, too bad they gave it to artificial nation in 4
>>52727281
>>52727331
I don't like how it's "Ottomans". Literally only in CTP games you were called Turks (and in one WWII scenario in 4)
And they were trying very hard with that. First Osman, Mehmed II and Suleiman. In mods they combined even harder, father of Osman or some lesser known rulers.
You should be lead by some Seljuq emperor at once, I don't know, Alp Arslan or Tughril Beg?
in dawn of civilisation, you appeared out of nowhere in the anatolia as "ottomans". except your people were there before that
>>52727989
Ther was heavy protest over new american nation called the Pueblo(ans)
They wanted it to be lead by Pope (XD), which is sacred figure to those people
Instead we got, well Shoshones no one even heard about or were not notable enough in history. I wish some mod would un-do this
Puebloans were one of few civilisatoins of proper north america to have elaborate buildings (other were mississipians/cahokia I think), they also lead successful guerilla against mexicans
I wish we had more american civ rather than colonials. it's just adding too much de facto european nations where game is eurocentric enough already
>>52726493
I'd want game once to use some earlier leaders.
Frederick Barbarossa, Richad Lionheart, Alexander Nevsky, Philp August, etc
>>52730124
I wonder if Tito got in game what nation would he represents?
I wanted to have Pol Pot in IV and lead agrarian empire :( or hitler
