>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-don-t-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html
Someone stop this mad man
It's true though. I don't think Jesus would give a shit about how much we suck his cock once a week, just as long as we're good to one another we're fine.
By saying these words im pretty sure that God is fake made by Jews to control the plebs 2000 years ago
>>52717510
Pope: you know the Bible, that holy book? Just put that into the trash.
>mfw
Why do atheists get so buttflustered when someone says they're going to hell? You'd think they'd just shrug it off because they don't, you know, believe in it. But nope, they start to defend themselves and their viewpoints as virtuous. saying that they would totally go to Heaven if it existed.
>>52717665
>not knowing it to be the absolute truth
well better late than never, Janusz. I stopped believing in my religion when i was 11, its a liberating feeling to be honest
YEAH BRUH Y'ALL GOING TO HEAVEN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO NOT TAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE.
Cucktholics
>>52717752
Heaven and hell isn't real
Antipope in Wroclaw when?
>>52717665
>>52717510
I'm honestly glad the Catholic Church finally has a based pope now.
>>52717752
They don't. You're probably referring to the dumb minority who thinks people will perceive them as mentally superiour or above average smart because they reject religion for edgy teen reasons.
White straight Catholics won't go to hell if they praise Allah.
>>52717609
False, and what's more, only a very few go to heaven for a total of 8 days, the reward promised is eternal life in a universe recreated to be non-entropic (considering a universe with entropy will eventually experience heat-death) but we will be in physical bodies, not in some kind of spiritual and non-corporeal sense.
Does this pagan actually read his Bible?
>>52717894
It isn't though.
Back in my edgy teenage years and when my life was almost done for since I had huge family issues. - I was into occultism stuff, hell I even killed the animals and praid to Satan.
Nothing happened. God can suck my dick.
Yes but you need to believe in Jesus
Based pope, he thinks like a real white man
>>52717510
what's wrong exactly ? do you really think people who did nothing must go burn in hell for eternity just for not believing in an omniscient entity ?
>>52717951
prayed* i meant
I still cannot believe this guy is the fucking pope
>>52717954
This desu
>>52717852
>i beleive in cristo who is lord and sabior :^)
>>52717510
>le ebin new age pope
Jeeze, the curia thought it was doing itself a favour contracting out to the whitest minorities it could find for it's pope.
Next on the docket: Pope Desmond Wawa-pupu
>>52717951
Got punishes you in the afterlife, not in the current life.
>>52717951
I've been to hell and back
>>52718039
wah wah
got any proofs?
>>52717940
the funny thing is you know exactly what will happen like a big spoiler, you don't realize the ridiculous of that ? what's the point of all of this if God knows exactly what happens after and know your destiny anyway ? that doesn't make any sense
>>52718039
*God
>>52717510
why is catholicism still a thing with this kind of thinking?
>>52717752
I always say I'd rather go to hell, where all the greatest minds of humanity are.
Who wants to share heaven with some pedophile priests/prophets and durkas of different kinds?
>>52717940
This desu, the last day says that the rotten corpses will back to life, cristians burned infidels to prevent them from getting into te afterlife.
>>52718052
No, I don't even necessarily believe it myself. However, that's how and when the Bible states that god will punish you.
>>52718052
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
>>52718050
>t. Danto Alighierosa
>>52718102
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
Literally autism or sleep paralysis.
they rape Little Boys in the asshole they believe in satan and call him a "god"
I don't want to go there, please don't make me go there.
>>52718078
tbqh the greatest minds probably are in Heaven because God doesn't give a shit about you as long as you were a good person.
t. Alberto Agnostica
>>52718129
This 2bh.
Snake from the bible is our real God. Jahwe is the real devil pretending to be God.
So where we go when we die?
>>52717609
Atheism is utterly incapable of forming a coherent answer as to what is "good" and where it comes from. All your actions are devoid of moral value because the very concept doesn't exist for you. Atheists don't go to heaven because they don't want to.
>>52717940
>the reward promised is eternal life in a universe recreated to be non-entropic
>>52718148
Not according to every religious text ever
That's just your deduction
I'm not entirely up to date on my scripture, but even if you doubt God, isn't it heaven possible?
The headline of 'pope sez fuck belief in god' is very possibly eminently unhelpful but I always thought it was okay. You would have to be a good person and maybe even take part in some christian rituals but if it was just of uncertainty and not idolising another god etc it would be ok?
>>52718178
>muh "no moral without religion" bullshit
Literally the worst argument against atheism, you despicable idiot
Pascals wager btfo
>>52718167
Remember you are dust, and to dust you shall return. Like the jews.
>>52718178
> implying you can't be a good person if you aren't religious
>>52718178
>utterly incapable of forming a coherent answer as to what is "good"
Materialism, my friend. Check it out.
Concepts of "good' and "bad" have no coherent ground or foundation, so it's impossible to answer that coherently, whether you're atheist or not.
can't we all just respect each other's beliefs
>>52718212
Religious texts are just bullshit though, they've mostly been made long after supposed events happened and mostly just retranscribe basic human social values to show the people that if they don't believe in it they'll be unmoral shitheads who are responsible for the end of our civilization.
>>52718270
t. too much of a pussy to pick up a side
>>52718212
Exactly according to them. Also all those greatest people of the reniassance created art dedicated to God. Sure thing they deserve hell.
>>52718300
is that supposed to be me or you
>>52718270
You're on /int/, are you seriously hoping that people will agree with each other instead of shitpost
>>52718167
You go trough reincarnation. The whiter you are, the closer your are to paradise. When you're fair skinned, blue/green eyed, pink nippled enough you can enter paradise.
You can always go backwards, until you become a total nigger/cockroach in next life.
Depends on how nigger/cockroach you act in this life. Stuck on this hell we call earth.
>>52718167
India for all eternity
>>52718129
Statistically there are fewer pedophile priests per capita than the rest of the general population, less than the teacher population, and less than other non-celibate clerics.
>>52718229
>even if you doubt God, isn't it heaven possible
Everyone shall get what he believes. If you believe in nothingness, you become nothing. But prayers of a believer can save you. Technically christians have power to save every soul.
>>52718344
yes
What's the problem here, exactly? I saw the same thing happen when Francis said that pets go to heaven, people going up in arms about BUT BUT BUT BUT THE BIBLE!!
Isn't it widely regarded as a collection of texts you're supposed to draw your own interpretation from? Like how people skim over parts that don't fit their narrative and only talk about parts that support your view?
In this case, wouldn't it be because God looks at you not only when you worship him, but as a person capable of doing good even when not under his guidance?
>>52718178
I don't know, there are some decent moral theories that at the very least reflect parts of morality. They may not hold up to philosophical rigour or have the same authority you bind yourself to when trusting a holy book, but very little does when it comes to human knowledge in the end.
I think the kind of certainty in ideas belief in religion inspires in some people can be eminently harmful too. The best idea is an examined one (think socrates and shiet) and religion doesn't necessarily encourage that.
>>52718361
India is a training camp, between getting to the white levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_D7goM4uE4
It is everyones test, to survive india.
>>52718300
>Arbitrarily picking a side on a subject matter of which you can never be certain of the answer
For what purpose
>>52718240
> hurr arbitrary normative morals I just made up cause I'm an Übermensch
>>52718167
absence. just like an animal
>>52718394
The problem is you have the pope taking very non-traditional stances often and quite loudly and courting reform in a way which hasn't happened for a while. This is bound to cause controversy.
>>52718509
>nearly 3000 years of moral philosophy is all bullshit compared the bible lol u mad?
you are why people hate god-botherers
>>52717510
Isn't he said he was misquoted or something?
Once 99% of people become secular atheists who believe in science, logic, and reason, almost all wars would stop, trillions of dollars would be freed up for welfare and science, and we could start colonizing the galaxy. This is why once atheism becomes accepted as fact, and theism is treated as the mental illness that it is, there should be a three step program to secure the scientific advancement of the human race.
1. Rehabilitation: Teach religious people how their god is not real. I think this would be successful for at least 90% of cases.
2. Sterilization: If people don't renounce their religion they should be sterilized. This way, they die alone and won't be able to spread their stupidity to children and out breed atheists. This would prevent an idiocracy situation from occurring.
3. Imprisonment: If there are still people preaching their religion after this, they should be thrown in either an asylum or in a prison. They can make license plates for cars after that along with picking up from trash by the road.
Only in the worst case scenarios though should a 4th step be implemented; execution. Only after all religious people worldwide are rehabilitated or removed from society, a near utopian society episode would be possible.
Proof of this method working though can be found within any decent history text book about the USSR. Despite being a "dirty communist" country the USSR transformed from an agrarian society to the first nation in space in a few decades by eradicating theism. The PRC also implemented similar policies during the 60’s and 70’s which led to the confiscation of religious property and opened the way to the economic successes of today. Likewise, Russia's economic failures during the 90’s can be linked to a rise of religion.
>>52718523
>humans aren't animals
>>52718509
Don't try to argue if you get mad after a single answer, retard
>>52717510
Isn't he said he was misquoted or something?
>>52718078
Yeah i'm looking forward to spending my infinite after life with the likes of Dawkins and the Amazing atheist.
>>52718394
He never said that pets go to heaven and he didn't say this buzzfeed shit the way people think he did. When it comes to the Catholic church you're better off hearing it straight from them rather than what mainstream media interprets.
>>52718613
no, like all things he said he is misquoted. He said atheists should do good to find jesus and once you find him you might go to heaven
>>52717510
Isn't he said he was misquoted or something?
>>52718570
>3000 years of moral philosophy
Stop posting random numbers.
>>52718675
NUP, I GOT MY FOOT IN THE DOOR NOW, IT'S TOO LATE SUCKAHZ
CONSERVAKEKS BTFO
>>52717510
didn't they do to the misquoting him?
>>52717510
he said misquoting they him or something?
>>52717983
>converting several people at once with just one unit
>>52718602
2/10 pasta
>>52718801
That's why he's the Pope.
>>52717510
Haven't they do misquote him?
Vegemite is real food.
>>52718426
That the Bible is the definitive authority on good is besides the point. The point is moral laws cannot be derived from the experience of an arbitrary material world. Without the concept of an immaterial, intelligible source of truth exterior to the tangible world, we cannot even begin to address the question of what is good. I would contend that other theist religions might get it more or less right on the question, theoretically, but atheism simply does not even address the question.
>>52718602
>Once 99% of people become secular atheists who believe in science, logic, and reason, almost all wars would stop
this is stupid, the only thing will happen once 99% people enlightened with logic and reason is anarchy.
because why? moral is subjective and illogical, it will be denied sooner or later, more and more people will cling onto their own value.
war, violence, murder, its all necessary and you know that
>>52718838
How do I unlock him? Where is the Argentinian DLC?
>>52718607
Non non, I assure you mon ami, you are the retard.
>>52718596
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>>52718856
WHAT IS THIS MEME
>>52717510
Haven't he said go to mosque?
>>52718894
You have to play it so intensely that you start to get black smoke rising from your computer
>>52717510
this is getting into a whole new level of stupid now.
first changing the seven deadly sins into something retarded, now this.
>>52718868
Stop considering atheism as an ideology you idiot. Any society can form moral laws like "don't kill don't steal"in order to function properly. You're painfully retarded
>believing
Some of you are so fucking stupid that I'm almost turning into a fedoraman
Wat do?
>>52717510
It's been established decades ago you theologically illiterate faggot
>>52718868
>Without the concept of an immaterial, intelligible source of truth exterior to the tangible world, we cannot even begin to address the question of what is good
My fucking sides. Just because you don't enjoy secular philosophy, it doesn't mean it's non-existent.
why did god choose a jew
>>52719005
get off 4chan.
>>52718856
All the time
I don't want to annoy you guys with lefty shit, but I experimented the value of power with this pope.
Before this guy was a pope, he was considered a supporter of the genocidal dictatorship and the most religious and right with person in this country.
Now he is "muh pope".
I'm not saying this is something good or bad (it may be good, I don't know). I'm just pointing out what power can do.
>>52717510
Didn't they have misquoted him?
>>52718990
>changing the seven deadly sins into something retarded
What did I miss?
>>52719202
Wikipedia disagrees with you.
>>52719392
I know this was probably a lie. That's why I think it's good people don't think like that anymore.
>>52718990
>changing the deadly seven sins
Never happened and this is why you don't listen to anybody other than the church itself when it comes to there things.
Why is anyone still Catholic? How can anyone believe in a religion where every twenty years they pick some old guy to completely change the particulars of their religious belief?
>>52717510
I have a conspiracy theory, pope francis is secretly atheist.
>>52719600
It's democratic and fantastic. Everything gets a vote!
They voted on the chapters of the Bible. They vote on the new Pope. Much freedom.
>>52719600
Popes don't change the particulars is the thing.
If a robot acts "morally" in accordance to catholic values, does it go to heaven even though it doesn't believe in God?
>>52720389
Pretty sure it needs a soul, robots don't have souls.
...Yet.
>>52719600
Every second a protestant errs and starts a new sect
>>52718178
You could literally be a flaming retard who only works on his farm all day long and automatically go to heaven due to believing in a deity, while a genius who benefits mankind in general goes to hell if he doesn't believe. That's the gist of every Abrahamic religion, senpai. Fear attracts the fearful.
>catholicism is steadily losing all its jewish exclusionary character and becoming a common european identity of vague aristotelian metaphysics
They know what they're doing m8. tbqh it's great
>>52718083
>rotten corpses will back to life
What happens to bodies that have decomposed, split apart and some parts now form part of another living organism? Do they just break out and reform?
>>52717940
Fucking protestants man
Catholic church irritates me so much,I can't get what's even the point of it anymore,i don't want to have these parasites inside my country's capital and i'm tired of hearing this annoying old fart on tv
Then what's the point for having religion now by using his logic.
I don't understand him.
>>52718868
It is rare to find people who don't believe in the scientific theory in this century.
>>52717510
this is fucking obvious
Is someone is a nice person and helps everyone they shouldn't burn in hell for all eternity just for not believing
>>52718868
>what is good
a point of view
>>52717510
Francis is the best pope in history
I don't believe in God and was considering leaving the Church, but when he's there I believe the change in attitudes is possible and the Church will survive in the changing world
Aristotle addressed the questions of morality and foundation of being without any theistic framework. Catholics have been building upon this for centuries, so basically, take away Christ and Bible and just take the philosophy, you got it.
Atheism just sucks, you have to deal with metaphysics and can't just step out of the game.
>>52722480
It's not rare to find dumb people who think science has any authority in adjudicating philosophical questions of beauty, good, truth in this century.
>>52718675
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>>52718856
Is this a meme?
>>52717510
It makes sense though
God is supposed to be a superior being, the whole "worship me (despite no proof I exist) or you'll burn forever" is the mentality of a 5 years old
What did he do of all the native americans who died without ever knowing about Christianty?
>>52723076
You are just repeating the same dumb shit over and over without providing any real arguments.
>>52723719
Maybe when you'll get to high school and they cover scientific method in epistemology you'll get it kid
>>52723982
Since you don't even know the difference between a simple statement and an argument you hardly have the authority to call anybody a kid.
>>52717940
>he thinks the Bible, a book compiled and written by dozens of different men, should be the be-all, end-all of Christian belief
Protestantism is fucking cancer
I hate this man with a passion. Nothing is sacred. Protestantism was bad enough, but now our own goddamn religion is being cucked. Fuck this shit.
>>52723169
in order to ask questions like this you have to actually know what the bible says, and no one will burn for all eternity. The punishment is permanent death, and for the believers, life eternal.
Turns out that The Divine Comedy is totally bullshit and that your interpretation of Christianity is based on that more than the text of the bible.
>>52727907
should every man do that which is right in his own eyes then?
just cuck my religion up senpai
This article is from 2013 and it has been well established by this point that it is a misrepresentation of what the pope actually said.
>>52728070
Obviously not. We ought to live our lives in accordance to the teachings of Jesus.
These teachings should be interpreted through hermaneutic interpretation of the Gospels, analysis of early Christian theology, and study of the historical context surrounding the life of Jesus (ie Josephus).
>>52718178
>I can't do anything right unless big daddy church tells me what to do
>If it weren't for the bible I would be raping a killing people by the dozen
>People still caring this much about religion
What the fuck.
>>52718178
This is a fucking hilarious argument. Religious people are insulting themselves when they say this shit.
You are implying that without your special book or belief in god, you would go around murdering and raping people. You are saying that you are so fucking incapable of independent and thoughtful thinking that you need a 2000 year old book to tell you right from wrong. You are literally implying you are a retarded neanderthal.
Get the fuck outta here, Steve Harvey
>>52729520
>thoughtful thinking
>>52720421
How does an AI not have a soul if a human does? Souls aren't physical.
>>52717510
Thanks argentina and italia for ruining good things for everyone by spawning this old geezer
>>52729520
>>52729122
> I'm an atheist, debate me!
> can't understand what people say
> strawman it
Wow, you're good at knocking down strawman. So enlightened.
Atheists only act "good" because it's the social norm, and that norms change.
Show me where you reason up human rights from a materialist point of view ? Did you open up a man to see if there was any human rights inside? Did you find his inherent dignity ?
I swear to God I think you guys are impenetrably stupid on purpose.
>>52729520
>>implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying implying
>>52732427
>damage control
>DAMAGE CONTROL
ITT: butthurt believers
go suck your jesus dick
>>52732427
And religious people may (read may) act evil because they are told so and they refuse to rethink their position.
Universe itself doesn't care about morality, there is no high moral guard who keeps watch on everyone. But humanity as being the most intelligent species (of this planet at least) have come to the conclusion that cohesion in society leads to greater good. And this cohesion can be reached by making rules that impede ones personal freedom the least, while also protecting that of others. Life, liberty and property, in that order.
>leaf man this mad that heaven isn't just for le ebin church goers anymore
>>52738030
good post
>>52717940
>only a very few go to heaven for a total of 8 days
JW detected. No one gets to go to heaven.
Fuck off back to reddit
>INB4 U MUST BE FROM LEDDIT THEN XD
the shit post sub is Bretty good for cringe shit and it was at the top of it
>implying he's not a double agent for Satan
Much like the World Cup, the Holy See cannot be entrusted to non-Europeans
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451259650198.webm
>>52717510
Yeah, but they go to the bad Heaven
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451259736192.webm
