Why do rightist politicians in the West love pic related? He destroyed Russia's economy and currency, they have a smaller GDP than Italy now. This on top of being a statist who censors all oppositional speech and who stands for everything opposed to Western civilization.
t. Johnny Craigston
>>52705805
>statist
Probably that. Also
>implying Putin's more than a figurehead and that Eastern Europe isn't run by the remnants of the KGB
Um, our conservatives hate Putin.
>>52706488
Trump supporters love him though.
>>52706590
You mean /pol/ likes him
>>52705805
Probably because the cold war ended years ago and we need to get over it. Speaking from an American perspective, most of it has to do with homosexual marraige(the right likes that he banned it, the left doesn't) as most people here are incredibly stupid and base all of their opinions on hot button issues rather than actual policy or rational thought.
Personally I think it's their country and they can run it into the ground if that is what they want. Personally I'd rather foster good relations because we're both very powerful countries and would accomplish more together.
>>52706650
Sorry not banned but is against it
>>52706590
its funny because if trump gets elected he'll have to confront Putin over differing issues, he can't suck his cock out of that one.
>>52706617
No, Trump supporters in general
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76412252-a26d-11e5-8d70-42b68cfae6e4.html
Because he's not a pussy like current EU politicians and is nationalistic
he's shit but you have to respect him for those two things
>>52705805
>He destroyed Russia's economy and currency
How was that Putins fault?
>>52705805
Nationalistic meme politician that wants to make his country great again while secretly running it into the ground.
Of course Republicans would like him. They're already voting for his American counterpart.
Putin also blew up a plane with hundreds of innocent civilians. He is pretty evil desu.
>>52706736
>secretly running it into the ground.
The fuck are you talking about? It's objectively much better now than when he first started
>>52705805
Actually it was the sanctions that wrecked the Russian economy, together with the fall of petrol prices. The real GDP of Russia didn't shrink at all, it was the free fall of the rubble that fucked the nominal GDP on the currency conversion
He pursues independent politics and opposes US hegemony. Does that hurt your feelings?
>>52706766
So did America in 1988.
I would rather read to what a Russian poster might write about this topic than any of you.
Where the fuck are you, Ruskies?
>>52706808
Yeah but we admitted it was our fault and paid Iran a shit ton of money in compensation. Most importantly, it was an accident.
>>52706728
He didn't diversify the Russian economy during their good times so when oil went to shit they got fucked.
>>52705805
The United States is a country that is intellectually dominated by SJWery. Most of the big newspapers, academia and entertainment industry are all progressive.
Many of those posting here on /int/ under US flags, are self-hating progressive white males. The problem is even worse on other boards, where virtually all white males are progressive and despise their own class, race and sex.
>>52706488
On bullshit. They use him to try and discredit captain niggerballs. Partisanship has no limits when you gotta stick it to the other side.
Russian economy is stronger than murrican, you have to google the big mac index. Rouble's weakness exist only at proamerican statistics.
And our live is better even than in 2011, we have new trams now and our cities are european tier
Putin is too pro-anglo.
On his place I would ban English as the nessesary school subject and repace it for spanish or french.
>>52706841
>The United States government did not formally apologize to Iran
Plus it was directly your military fault, while the Russian incident was done by pro-Russian insurgents, not ordered by Putin and was also clearly an accident. The American one was probably worse
Why do leftist like Clinton when she is in bed with the largest corporations?
>>52706972
>Murrica
>country without any social care
>leftists
Nazis were more left than yours democrats.
>>52706972
You only dislike her because you're a misogynist
>>52706997
Does Mordor even fall on the political spectrum?
>>52706972
The GOP did absolutely nothing but scrutinize her constantly for 4 years, and just went on and on and on and on about Benghazi, so a lot like her out of spite, because they aren't really familiar with how slimy she is.
>>52706936
So fat, troll
>>52707000
I'm a nationalist, but she is actually right about education.
A country when rich retards will get degree and clever poor guys not - doesn't have a future.
>>52707025
Mordor is the country when police everyday humilate people to protect non-legimiate murrican "law".
>>52707025
Why are you so scared of this extincting mining town in the middle of nowhere built on permafrost? Especially by 70's photo of it.
>>52706707
>nationalist
You can't be serious.
>>52705805
> He destroyed Russia's economy and currency
here we go again, just google shit before posting, Russian economy even including the preiod after sanctions is in a no small net gain
Politicains love him, because he operates in 19th-mid 20th century national polititics, not the "it's 2015" gay shit
They just want some of that too
>>52707036
Ja nifiga ne tolstil, ja i pravda tak dumaju. Pusť oni snačala vnutrennije problemy rešat, a uže potom ukazyvajut drugim kak žiť.
>>52705805
Guys, seriously, enough to kill the economy of my country. You have won. Please lift the sanctions.
Objectively talking he didn't do anything with russian econimy and that's the problem. It simply costed as much as its oil in 1999 and... nothing changed since that time, just prices wete fluctuating. So we had "prosperous" 00's with 120$ for a barrel ans "destroyed" economy with 37$ for a barrel.
>>52707059
>>52707060
Silence Sauron!
>>52705805
>rightist politicians like Putin
What?
Do you even follow politics? Pretty much everyone is for reigniting the cold war with Russia except for Trump
I don't even know what cuckoo land I'm in when Trump is one the most sane top candidates running
I mean it makes sense sorta but I just never saw it coming
>>52707156
It's 0,7 actually.
Compare the prices of food and etc.
Our goverment wouldn't build the second circle subway line if we would have a real troubles.
>>52707198
That doesn't influence exchange rates at all. On an international level, your currency is still worth 0.014$.
>>52707173
Parle humain! Je ne comprendre pas tien bizarre langue.
Because he is Russian.
And Russians are the bad guys, okay.
And he is like boss of all Russians.
>>52707186
We already won against russia though, as long as we tell the saudis to keep oil production high we'll just slowly starve the russians to death. They'll just continue to sell national assets to China in return for a temporary lifeline, but that won't go on indefinitely.
>>52705805
You know, a few months of sanctions and Russia will collapse. Already around the country there are separatists. More and more police and military on the streets. What do you think, when Russia will start another civil war, who will win? What will happen with nuclear weapons during the civil war?
>>52707223
Have you never heard of Lord of the Rings?!
>>52707222
The real level is 0,7. I can write than dollar is 0,001 from rouble, but it doesn't change the real situation. Just like yours "cost".
Putin's personality cult is not bound by borders.
>>52707227
He has Finno Ugric roots tho.
Why can't Russia into liberal democracy like the rest of the developed world
>>52707269
Jesus Christ, Russians truly are retarded.
Please, keep plugging your ears and shouting "XAXAXAXA" at the top of your lungs, vatnik.
>>52707252
Yes, i see starving people everyday on the streets. And there was a mass execution pf protestors in the main square of my town. 500 people died but nobody even knows about that.
>>52707248
Yeah but why? What the fuck do we have against the Russians?
They hate Isis we hate Isis. I just think the hate is irrational or hyper rational just not in the interests of the American people.
I am starving. Send money for revolting please.
>>52707312
What city?
>>52707296
Is that what you think America has?
Isn't 4chan banned in Russia? How the hell do all of these vatniks get through?
>>52707366
Khuygdyedynsk. Kudykina oblast.
>>52706972
>she's in bed with big corporations
While her husband is in bed with another Lady
>>52707355
My favorite is when they were allegedly firing misses at Iran and our media yelled at them for it.
>>52707387
It is not.
>>52707405
He's not the only one in bed with a lady ;)
>>52707355
ISIS isn't a real threat to America though. A few hundred or even a few thousand people dying here and there to suicide bombers isn't a big deal to the government. Russia-Iran axis is a much more meaningful threat to the US (and Israel).
>>52707387
Russians shouldn't even be allowed on 4chan. Futaba is Japanese and Japanese is American. Russians oppose freedom and anime is also American since its Japanese.
>tfw they removed flags on 2ch
for what purpose
>>52707438
Siding with Iran and creating shia axis from Syria to Iran is the only thing i appreciate Putin for. Saudis should burn in hell.
t.I am still starving and still CAN'T SEE YOUR MONEY GODDAMNIT how do i do revolution without money, huh?
>>52707303
We remember abour 90's, Poland will rember about your frienship with pseudoukrainian nazis. France hate your too.
We don't care what you're thinking, because we do things in our way.
>>52707438
I really don't think they are and even if they are why would you willingly be antagonistic towards them?
Just none of it makes sense to me at all I don't understand the governments place in a lot of middle eastern conflicts. Like we as a people gain nothing from them not even resources like oil.
I still don't get why we should be willfully hating Russia, Russians, and Putin. We aren't living in cold war times. I just wish we would have a little bit better relations like the bush years.
>>52707476
Murrica just had showed her real face: talking about democracy and human rights and making friendship with literally nazis and sand fatanics..
>>52707537
Yeah, desu, Saudis and Qatar are their buggest sin.
>>52707533
We have a reason to hate, because you didn't take us to NATO at 90's and destroy Ukraine that was a really european country before maidan
>He destroyed Russia's economy and currency,
Do you even 90s? I'm not even a rightist at that.
>>52707060
>>52707059
shhh don't spoil it
>>52707296
The rest of the developed world has feudalism lol
How democratic is Russia at this point? Is Putin President for Life now?
THIS JUST IN! TANKS ON RED SQUARE SHOOTING AT PEOPLE! STARVED AND ANDGRY PEOPLE ARE THROWING ROTTEN FOOD AT POLICE! TURN ON RT! ИTC ХAПEHИHГ!
>>52707761
We will elect him until he dies. I always voted for him.
>>52707854
without jokes, it's our near future. Oil prices get up our economy, not Huylo.
>>52707966
In 90's when this shit laster for 10 years nobody revolted lel and now when most people have at least some wealth they will? Are you braindead or what?
>>52707966
>our economy
>not Huylo.
>see flag.
Gtfo you filthy refugie.
>>52706650
>cold war ended years ago
and Russia hasn't changed excpet for getting weaker
>>52708014
You guys didn't dissolve NATO which only aim is to destroy Rossiyushka. And we are he ones who didn't change our mind? Dude, all russian politicians and businessmen live in the west, you talk shit.
>>52707854
>ИTC ХAПEHИHГ!
ЙOУ КOУЛД ХABE ПPEBEHTEД TХИC!
I'm not very good at Ivanspeak.
>>52705805
Only Americans are obsessed GDP. Russia hass gotten richer safer, more respected and has annexed valuable Russian land.
When is the last time you won a war? Or the wages went up?
>>52708059
>When is the last time you won a war?
Last year. War in Afghanistan.
>Or the wages went up?
People are worth their work. If their work is valuable, their wages will go up.
>>52708108
>People are worth their work. If their work is valuable, their wages will go up.
t. American Banks
>>52708057
When I have money I'll try getting me a cyrillic keyboard just to ivanpseak. I won't even bother trying to actually learn the language.
>>52708108
> Last year. War in Afghanistan.
I don't get it, that time when your airforce shot up 50 people in a hospital in Afghan - you mean that was after you won the war, do I get this right?
>>52708128
You can just pick an Ivanspeak keyboard layout. That's what I'm doing right now.
>>52708108
>People are worth their work. If their work is valuable, their wages will go up.
>>52708118
>>52708147
How isn't this true? Why would someone deserve to get paid more if the quality of he work is shit and isn't improving.
>>52708059
Based Finland, come back to Motherland pls.
>>52708187
What's ideal and what's really happening can be very different things, America.
>>52708055
You don't remove locks from the door just because they caught one local thief.
>we are the ones who didn't change our mind
You sure didn't change your practises. One party government, corruption neatly centralized, who controls the secret service rules Russia, propaganda out the ass...
>all russian politicians and businessmen live in the west
Commie politicians had western stuff imported too because the local produce was shit.
>>52708187
When denominated in USD, Russian wages grew 6 times between 2000 and 2013 and then dropped 40% in value between 2013 and 2015
Do you REALLY think this correctly demonstates quality or demand for the Russians' work?
>>52708059
>>52708270
> 2015 numbers still 2-4 times better than 2000
> hurr Putin fucked up
>>52705805
>Why do rightist politicians in the West love pic related?
They certainly don't in the UK...
>>52706936
This, but I'd pick Esperanto, because fuck the French.
That'd be so awesome!
>>52708345
>I can't understand the concept of economic growth and diversification
>>52708345
>what is inflation
>>52708418
What's that got to do with anything, we're talking about the picture that implies that Putin has fucked up with the numbers that actually say the opposite
>>52708431
Inflation's one of those things, it's 40% in 2000, about 15% now
Wages in USD still grew 3-4 times between 2000 and 2015
>>52705805
>censors all oppositional speech
You can have a cable TV and read internets if you want another portion of low quality from another side.
>Why do rightist politicians in the West love pic related?
You guys eat any propaganda like little babies. He did several good things, so for some on the West it's a big deal. Especially they misinterpret anything they read or hear about other countries they never even visited. Learn to check facts someday, lol.
>>52708471
average wage was $100 a month in 2000?
>>52705805
>This on top of being a statist who censors all oppositional speech
Pro-tip: the right wing in Europe is statist and collectivist. It's not as liberal the right wing in the US.
>>52708514
I think a little less than that, I need to google the rates
I remember my parents together making $50 in the 90es, but we were a poor family. now I make $800
>>52705805
He's what Republicans want the US to be. Someone with massive balls that struts about the world stage and does whatever he wants.
>>52705805
>Why do rightist politicians in the West love pic related?
Because they're a bunch of cucks who value "muh strong leader" over their personal freedom as long as he keeps out brown people and projects some macho idea of masculinity that plays to their daddy issues.
>>52708491
Censors my ass. All these shit outlets like Echo and Novaya are doing just fine.
>>52708108
>Last year. War in Afghanistan.
>>52708535
>Pro-tip: the right wing in Europe is statist and collectivist
No it isn't. That's only true for some countries on the continent. You're completely wrong about the UK
>>52708759
>UK
>Europe
Choose one.
>>52708709
Not to mention that I have Euronews on my cable, as well as france 24, dw and BBC, they are part of the starter package of Rostelecom cable for some reason.
Only Euronews is in Russian, but still that's hardly censorship
![2000px-Europe_orthographic_Caucasus_Urals_boundary.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IIEmXxA.png "2000px-Europe_orthographic_Caucasus_Urals_boundary.svg[1].png")
>>52708788
The UK is part of Europe you retarded piece of shit
>>52708345
2000 still had 1998 aftereffects. Everything is so expensive now when Ruouble is destroyed. i don't blame Putin alone for not building a modern economy - it's people's and businesses contribution that should've been done. But. It's clear USA lowered oil prices because they saw we are expanding again. Should've waited for proper economy first, take clay back second so nobody could do big harm to us. Maybe we should've used diplomacy and cunning, not Ukrainian coup to interfere. It wasn't a wise move. Not wise at all. We should learn how to make anything we want and look like good guys on a political arena, should learn from USA. they can even openly bomb civilians and get away with that. I'm not saying we should kill innocents either, just learn form USA ways. Taking good from the West is good for us. Not taking bad acting recklessly.
t. Not him
>>52708832
It's closer to the US in terms of mentality.
>>52708827
Man Euronews and BBC are vatniks compared to Novaya.
>>52705805
>rightist politicians
The most deluded thing about them is that Putin is a fucking leftist faggot who imports millions of churkas every year and builds mosques all around Russia.
He does not even say there are ethnic RUssians, but other minorities always excist for him. And he said several times that "Russia is for Russians" is a phrase that only a degenerate could say.
So fuck Putin tвн.
>>52708845
>Maybe we should've used diplomacy and cunning, not Ukrainian coup to interfere. It wasn't a wise move.
but fascist gay hohols were crucifying russian childrens!!1!!
>>52708864
>a British ex-colony founded by people who were Brits is like Britain
Well no shit, Hans. I didn't realise that colonising places outside Europe hundreds of years ago meant you can't be part of Europe any more. Are the French also no in Europe because they had colonies? Are you fucking stupid?
>>52708709
I didn't say they're censored. I know they do fine. I said you can get a cable and watch Silver rain TV. Also yes, Echo is an open uncensored radio station which is strongly anti-government but anti-Russian at the same time. they embarrsss themselves talking bad about people too often. I just want some serious media, not bad mouthed radicals.
>>52708827
I think he's talking about domestic media. Anyways lack of knowledge shows.
>>52706728
>How was that Putins fault?
This :
>didn't invest on research and technology, or anything else
>build an economy fully depended on oil and gas
>attacked to Ukraine without thinking outcomes
>still waste so much money on Syrian war like they have so good economy
>violated Turkish air space for many times, ignoring Turkish warnings and created another crisis
>like they have super economy, they are trying to punish Turkey by canceling Turkish exports
>Turkey is about to cancel oil deals and they will suffer even more
It is likely that they will stay in Syria and waste their economy for more years.
He makes his people suffer and also do corruption on elections when both of those come to gather, it leads to losing throne.
>>52708845
>Everything is so expensive now when Ruouble is destroyed
Everything foreign is expensive.
You are a traitor who wants to sell his country for foreign luxuries.
>>52708934
It's not a matter of having colonies, it's a matter of being culturally influenced by them. France isn't nearly as influenced by the US as the UK is.
>>52708832
It's just a meme, don't be offended.
>>52708968
>>didn't invest on research and technology, or anything else
>>build an economy fully depended on oil and gas
For many years. 1.5 decades without any big shift, you're quite right.
>>52708142
Maybe they just like to commit war crimes?
>>52708982
Why do you think oly foreign is more expensive now? It's everything except real estate and rent. Rent prices went really low. Maybe I can move to Sochi at last, nice fresh appartments with furniture and all electronics in a beach area cost around 15.000 ₽ a month now.
>>52709005
>1.5 decades
>1970-2015
>>52708986
Wait, you think the similar culture of the UK and US comes completely from them influencing us? It had nothing to do with the British ideas of Liberalism, laissez faire capitalism and so on being spread to America and other places?
We are meant to be talking about right-wing politics ITT. Because you're a fucking idiot I'm going to give you some strong hints about how thick you are. In this picture you can see how long the Tories (a right-wing party) have been around. Look at the picture, engage your shrivelled pathetic excuse for a brain, and compare with when the USA was founded.
Maybe you are saying the USA invented a time travel machine and influenced our right-wing politics before their country existed?
>>52709208
Your "right wing" is the left in the US lad.
>>52709208
>you think the similar culture of the UK and US comes completely from them influencing us?
Of course it is. The cultural dominance of the US has most impact in the English speaking world. Not to mention that you've lost your political autonomy after WW1.
>>52709180
I'm talking about Putin's time.
>>52709253
US and UK right-wing are both economically liberal and prefer a small state. They also tend to be "small c" conservative. Of course there are many differences too (their stances on religion, immigration and monarchy, for example). But they are distinct from some of the statist right-wing parties of the European continent.
>>52709281
>Of course it is.
I don't know if you genuinely have difficultly reading or you're trolling me. How could the shape of our right-wing politics come completely from the US if those ideas have been around in the Britain since before the US existed? Can you answer that question?
>Not to mention that you've lost your political autonomy after WW1.
If we lost our political autonomy, how has our government been able to take decisions that the USA publicly disapproved of in the last few years?
>>52706728
bitchboi think he special in this world
>>52709404
>How could the shape of our right-wing politics come completely from the US if those ideas have been around in the Britain since before the US existed? Can you answer that question?
Obviously they haven't been around in that very form even though they may have resembled them in one way or another. In the end, the British identity of today is a product of the US.
>If we lost our political autonomy, how has our government been able to take decisions that the USA publicly disapproved of in the last few years?
Maybe you've been a bit uppity, but it's questionable whether they'll let you act up much more than that.
>>52709339
Nigger, the tories have more in common with literally any right wing party in Europe than with US conservatives.
Japanese right wings are fond of Putin because he is nationalist.
Hello Russians, where can I get the info saying that the Russian GDP isn't decreasing? Dutch media says it otherwise (of course).
>>52709556
no he is not
>>52709556
He's not. He destroyed Russian nationalists and enforced multiculturalism.
>>52709630
How is it not decreasing?
>>52709659
My bad, I thought it was stated here by some of you. Read the posts again, it is not.
I want Putin to cum on my willy
>>52705805
Why do Americans think they know whats happening outside of burger land just because they read and article or watched something on TV.
Fucking clueless.
This is why the world things you are all retarded.
![france-government-spending-to-gdp[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IEkxgb8.png "france-government-spending-to-gdp[1].png")
>>52709469
You are delusional. What was the nationality of people like John Locke, Adam Smith, etc, who provided the foundation of US economic philosophy and greatly influenced Britain as well?
>>52709532
>Nigger, the tories have more in common with literally any right wing party in Europe than with US conservatives.
You haven't been paying attention. I was talking specifically about the "statist and collectivist" comment by the German poster >>52708759
The French centre-right UMP/Les Républicains was in government from 2007 to 2012. They have a few liberal elements but they are Gaullist, which means 'statist' among other things. Look at pic related. Sarkozy left office with spending at 56.8% GDP, even before the financial crisis it was 52% GDP.
That is a statist party, very distinct from the British centre-right.
>>52709638
>>52709652
>>52709659
Hmm, It is likely that most of Japanese and Japanese media misunderstand him.
But I hear that he destroyed Origalhi , which was good for Russian.
>>52709761
>burger land
>>52709792
He made oligarchs more moderate and imprisoned some. But others appeared. They're not a violent mafia anymore but they use lobbyism to make things favorable to their business.
>>52709776
Here's the UK one.
>>52705805
Because lefties brand everyone seriously opposed to them as far right. He is well liked by nationalists because they share the same worldview. But those nationalists usually have leftie policies too.
>>52709792
>Japanese and Japanese media misunderstand him.
Not only Japanese. The whole world thinks that Putin is some nationalist caring about its people.
But in reality the majotiry of ethnic Russians are being cucked by minorities and Putin supports only minorities.
It will end up in nationalistic civil war tвн sooner or later if the government doesnt change the attitude.
>But I hear that he destroyed Origalhi , which was good for Russian.
Nah he just sent to jail those who were way too impudent. But anyway most did stay and new appeared, so basically nothing changed, it is just they cant just kill people THAT EASY.
>>52709880
Thank you for proving me right. In your graph, a centre-right party was leading the government since 2010. Prior to that it was Labour since 1997. Can you see what happens to government spending as a % GDP since 2010?
It is already far below where the French centre-right took it. That is because the British centre-right have been privatising state-owned assets and cutting government spending. They will reach 36% GDP by 2020 if Conservatives take their plans to fruition.
Do you see the major difference yet? It's a pretty glaring and obvious difference.
>>52709944
>The whole world thinks that Putin is some nationalist caring about its people.
Not really. Many here think all he cares about is re-establishing Russia as a world power, not the welfare of its people.
>>52709982
>Thank you for proving me right
I love your selective views. The Tories came to power in 2010 and spent more than the pre 2010 Labour government and in 2015 still spending roughly the same as the previous government?
Looks like France
>>52710305
>The Tories came to power in 2010 and spent more than the pre 2010 Labour government
Of course they would spend more at first, there was a huge recession and tax revenues collapsed. That happens in every country which experiences a downturn.
>Looks like France
40% GDP looks like 56% GDP? A state becoming smaller looks like a state becoming larger?
You're not very bright, are you? Just look at France under their centre-right government *before* the recession, they were spending 52% GDP.
>>52710371
>40% GDP looks like 56% GDP? A state becoming smaller looks like a state becoming larger?
Yeah, keep fudging the numbers a little bit, no one will notice.
>hurr we're closer to the US
Here's the US one you fucking retard.
![Governemnt+Spending+as+Percent+of+GDP+-+Total[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/e9WmEDj.png "Governemnt+Spending+as+Percent+of+GDP+-+Total[1].png")
>>52710408
You accuse me of fudging numbers and you post that. That is fucking pathetic.
The USA is a federation you absolute moron. Federal spending =/= total government spending. The states also spend money. If you want to compare the USA with a unitary state like the UK, you need to use TOTAL government spending.
Here it is, only a few % lower than the UK and roughly the same as the Tory aspiration of 36% GDP.
If you're going to try and trick me, at least put some effort into it.
>>52706972
"Real" leftists support Sanders and rather dislike Clinton though, they see her as an extension of the status quo.
>>52707223
En fait, son post fonctionne parfaitement en Francais, Sauron Ivanofsky.
>>52710510
>The USA is a federation you absolute moron.
And you're calling me a moron, hilarious.
>Here it is, only a few % lower than the UK
Fudging up numbers again, retard? The difference between the US and UK is greater than that of France and the UK.
Funnily enough your just proving yourself wrong, as originally stated UK "Right wing" is left wing in the US. Fucking Democrats(left) got closer to UK than actual Republicans.
Check mate, retard.
>>52708108
>People are worth their work. If their work is valuable, their wages will go up
Cool it down, Gordon Gecko.
>>52705805
>they have a smaller GDP than Italy now
Was that ever different?
>>52705805
All betas crave a big strong man to tell them what to think, say and do, so they naturally look up to putin
>>52710626
>The USA is a federation you absolute moron.
>And you're calling me a moron, hilarious.
Are you actually denying that the USA is a federation?!
>>52710510
>Here it is, only a few % lower than the UK and roughly the same as the Tory aspiration of 36% GDP.
>Only a few percent lower
>Still lower than the Tory aspirations save for the very last bit
What the fuck is Britain spending all that money on?
>>52710715
>What the fuck is Britain spending all that money on?
>>52710748
Privatisation of the NHS when?
>>52710521
>"Real" leftists support Sanders
Real leftist don't support bourgeois politicians, ie. the democratic party. They organize their own party.
>>52710764
The NHS is better state-owned because of the efficiencies you get from the single-payer system. The Americans actually pay more in taxes for healthcare than the British, and then they pay the same again out of their pockets. That is partly because of the overheads (insurance companies etc) you get from privatised healthcare
I am in favour of privatising most things, but only when it's efficient to do so. Healthcare is not like other products.
>>52710793
Sanders was an independent until this election, man.
He joined the Democratic party to leech off as many votes as possible, and I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves it if doesn't win the nomination, leaving with a considerable portion of the votes.
Sanders and Trump leaving their respective parties and running as a different party could potentially be the most interesting event in American politics for a long time.
>>52710704
Yeah, go along and ignore the fact you've literally been proven you're closer to the French right wing than the US one, or the fact you're literally closer to US Democrats than Republicans.
Nanny state thinks he's closer to US republicans, fucking lel
>>52705805
I'm left-winger and I think he's one of few decent leaders left in Europe, aside Lukashenka or Orbán
Tho I'd much rather have Russia ruled by Zyuganov or even Limonov he is still better than most of "European leaders" puppets of Usrael
>>52707000
Her fucking husband bombed Yugoslavia
They should be hanged in the Hague for the war crimes, not elected presidents
Only braindead people supports them
>>52710887
>He joined the Democratic party to leech off as many votes
This is what we call "entrismo", "entryism" I supposse, it's a classical reformist strategy but unfortunately it doesn't make him a real leftist, Kautsky-tier at most, and even that's an exaggeration.
Real leftist creates its own vanguard (bolshevik-type) worker party.
>>52710887
>Sanders and Trump leaving their respective parties and running as a different party could potentially be the most interesting event in American politics for a long time.
I agree with this, though.
>>52710897
There is something wrong with you. You're unable to understand basic concepts. The Tory aim of 36% GDP government spending is clearly closer to the US than it is to the French centre-right's legacy of 56.8% GDP. But you are judging the Tories on their first few years in government, straight after the crash, straight after 13 years of Labour government.
>Nanny state thinks he's closer to US republicans, fucking lel
I said that the Tories are closer to them on the idea of a small state, not closer in general. You keep trying to twist my words, do you think I'm stupid? Again I was replying to the "statist" comment by the German >>52708759
What really amazes me is that you can post a graph of US federal government spending, and then call me a moron for saying the US is a federation. It really is like you have brain damage or something.
No one likes Putin in Russia because he is homofobic tyrant.
>>52705805
Because they're dumb and cannot cope with the complexity of the modern world so they seek simple answers.
>>52711055
>let me pull out of my ass figuers and statistic, but let me first adjust them a little bit
>muh aims
Just great
>I said that the Tories are closer to them on the idea of a small state, not closer in general.
So, they're ARE in fact closer to the fucking french, you fucking idiot.
>we're totally closer to the US conservatives
>just look at the US spending under the liberals!
Moron
>>52711182
>So, they're ARE in fact closer to the fucking french, you fucking idiot.
Interesting, why are you trying to change the subject to something I never suggested? From the start my only issue was with the anon who said Europe's right-wing parties were "statist and collectivist". It was on that specific point I said we were closer to the US Conservatives. The British centre-right do indeed favour a smaller state. You are trying to twist what I said and pretend I was saying we're closer to the US right-wing in general. You are resorting to lies because you've completely failed.
>we're totally closer to the US conservatives
>just look at the US spending under the liberals!
Have the US Conservatives been in government post-recession? No they haven't. You don't need a graph to know that the American right-wing favours a small state. They talk about it all the fucking time. I am only stating the obvious here.
If the US Republicans want an even smaller state than the British Conservatives, the basic philosophy of small government and minimal state interference in the economy is the same. In contrast, some continental European centre-right parties like the UMP retain a Gaullist tradition and have stakes in many large companies. You have to see the fundamental difference in philosophy.
You clearly don't understand basic facts about the USA, if you were insulting me for saying the USA is a federation, and suggesting a one-to-one comparison between federal and total (unitary) government spending. Maybe you would have more success if the future if you educated yourself, just a thought.
>>52707993
It's only butthurt progressive fags who hate Russia
As soon as they pull a Maiden and ruin Russia they will do like the Ukrops and emigrate to Britain and Europe
Little do they know their progressive allies have already given all the money to mudslimes
>>52711511
>Interesting, why are you trying to change the subject to something I never suggested?
Top fucking lel.
What a fucking moron.
>>52707761
Essentially yes. How he goes away is not clear yet, maybe kileld maybe he dies of age. But at this point it's clear that Putin will only be severed from his position by his physical death.
>>52711163
Your answers are so complicated, Hans, that you're being invaded by churkas.
>>52709878
Congratulations that is how it works in America as well
Russia has finally joined the civilized world!
>>52711116
But many Russians are back him up. You need to understand who Putin is. Otherwise I support his presence and intervention. He is one of the fort against the west or middle east.
>>52705805
Totalitarianism, conservatism, financial support for western far right organizations.
>>52711612
>He is one of the fort against the west or middle east.
How can you supporting antiwestern leaders?! West gives you all technologies. And if America has not dropped a bomb on you, you would be north-Korea tier country.
>>52711627
>financial support for western far right organizations.
Yes. And Putin also supports movements of millions
refugees in Europe.
>>52711599
Thanks for proving my point.
>>52705805
>He destroyed Russia's economy and currency,
Actually, USA destroyed Russian economy and currency via Ukraine, sanctions and oil price.
>>52705805
The bigger question is why do leftists love Russia so much?
I think it's because of pure anti-americanism
>>52705805
I guess he can't be removed anymore. He'll be leading this shithole towards total poverty and dictatorship until he dies.
>>52711949
No it is the other way around. We Japanese have continued to give West encompassing you Russia many presents. Japan is literally a god tier country. No other countries can compare.
>>52705805
>they have a smaller GDP than Italy now
They have smaller economy than Spain
http://warontherocks.com/2015/12/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-russia-analysis/
>>52713178
Not a bad article. I disagree about a few of the points, but some of what he says is reasonable
>>52705805
>Why do rightist politicians in the West love pic related?
Economic and media support for the far right, as well as being against femen and gay propaganda, that makes people like him. Obviously FN isn't gonna spite him after this.
Most importantly it's symbolic. He represents anti-US interests.
The current muslim situation in France is seen as USA's fault, so people latch on to the strongest enemy of the USA they can find and say they're on his side now.
I understand his actions in the Ukraine because Crimea especially is essentially Russian land that should have been given to Russia in '92.
Everything else thought has been retardedly short-sighted. He has neither the economy nor demographics to be a superpower like he wants, Russia has half the population and GDP of the Soviet Union in 1992, but he pushes people around on the global stage (Georgia 2008) and wastes money on pointless projections of power (Syria) to make himself seem big. $40 billion on Sochi for what reason? $1 billion into the KHL every year for what reason? It's just dumb. Invest in your economy first.
>>52714019
not really. after the fall of the soviet union borders were re-drawn to better help the newly founded states have separate economies. so crimea was to be given to ukraine. which makes it ukrainian. also transdnestria was to be moldovan, it was given to moldova for some of the black sea strip which was given to ukraine, because transdnestria had most of the industrial capacity for the new moldova, but shit happened and oh well...
>>52713920
>being against femen
We don't have them here, Russian women have different goals.
>>52714019
Syria is important because it has Russia's only overseas naval base, which is the only Russian military presence in the Med. Sea. Without a Russia-friendly government in Syria that all goes. The Med. is an important place. I don't think the British government would accept losing Gibraltar.
However I totally agree with you regarding Sochi etc. Waste of money, it needs to be spent on investment and diversification of the economy
>>52714019
>$40 billion on Sochi for what reason? $1 billion into the KHL every year for what reason
I hate this thing, фam. You're so right.
>M-muh hockey
Find sponsors if you're so good, dipshits.
Russia's economy has never been a foundation of its political or military power. It has never been economically prosperous, but it was often very powerful.
>>52707387
Found a hohol
>>52712247
Your country is cursed, you always get the worst leaders.
>>52714104
Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine SSR in the late '50s as an act of goodwill that had no real effect since the SSRs were all puppet states. When the USSR collapsed, the SSRs became independent and their borders stood as the post-independence borders. He never would have done it had he known, since Crimea was almost all Russians at that point.
Transnistria was the old border between the Russian Empire and the Ottomans. It got settled with Russians, and then was integrated into Moldova when they took that from Romania in the '40s. When independence came around, they decided to break away since they figured Moldova was just going to reintegrate into Romania at some point.
>>52714149
Well he got them whipped in public and sent them to fuck off to here, so naturally no matter what really happened, here it makes you look good.
If femen everyone hates, bitches all day "boohoo Putin is evil", naturally everyone is going to think "Putin is a good guy".
Even if he isn't. That's not what I'm saying, I dont know enough about him.
But it makes sense that he's seen like this in western Europe.
>>52714254
Actually, the Russian Leadership/Governments are often much more liberal than their own population.
>>52714236
The USSR was the #2 economy in the world right up until the late '80s when it got overtaken by Japan.
Now it's like, what, 14th?
>>52705805
exactly, he's a useless cuck idiot that got BTFO by Turkey while losing control of Libya, most of Ukraine, Syria and Iraq
>>52714157
Sochi's actually wasn't a bad investment as far as investments in Russia go
It's actually become a psaable, if a little expensive, resort. My friends who went there mountain skiing last year kind of praised it, and they're the sort of friends who went skiing in the alps a couple of times
You just have to avoid all those impossibly expensive hotels and rent an apartment
>>52714344
The economy size was what, still about three times smaller than the US, in many economic metrics it was doing 5-10 times worse
Still it had militarily almost rivaled the whole NATO.
>>52714330
>he got them whipped in public and sent them to fuck off to here
Didn't know it happened. Also somehow every accident in Russia is considered as Putin's direct order abroad, not sure if it's really true.
>>52714377
No one was saying that Sochi is bad for skiing or tourism
Organising Olympics there was a waste of money for Russia though. You've got nothing out of it
>>52706488
>Um, our conservatives hate Putin.
YOU LIAR YOU.
FOX news hates Putin, because FOX news is a gang of Christ-hating jews from hell. fox also hates the Donald
>>52710764
that's not even that bad
Medicaid and Medicare take up a bigger percentage of spending in the American budget
>>52706686
>its funny because if trump gets elected he'll have to confront Putin over differing issues
No he won't. All the so called "issues' that America is against Putin on, all made-up bullshit only promoted by Libtards and jews.
Trump can fully ally with Putin and literally disagree on nothing. (if he chooses to and if he wins)
>>52707252
Please launch them at DC.
>>52714548
Not even Trump shares your hatred of Jews, stormfaggot
>>52714492
I was saying that we've got our first resort with actual infrastructure
that $50 billion included a lot of that
they've built a formula track, for example, there's been 4 or five global racing events there since
There are shows,concerts and sporting events on those stadiums
Basically, those $50bln were spent building a fun city out of a soviet-era middling resort that was barely above abkhazia in quality
>>52714157
>Protect med base in syria
>estrange turkey in the process
>can't get out of the black sea
wew
>>52714505
I fucking hate this country. We literally RIGHT NOW have a system where the poor, sick, and elderly all get free health care at taxpayer expense, but as soon as you suggest giving free health care to the taxpayers who fund everyone else's free health care you get looked at like you're Stalin himself.
And, of course, we end up paying more because the government just shits out money to healthcare companies and doesn't do anything to control how much they charge for it.
>>52714887
>According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the United States spent more on health care per capita ($8,608), and more on health care as percentage of its GDP (17.2%), than any other nation in 2011.
>>52714492
>all those resorts and sport installations dont bring money at all
ah slovakian intellectuals
>>52715238
They do, but it's a net loss for you
Almost no one who was hosting the Olympics made money out of it. Not even London did and those games were extremely successful
>>52715426
And I should add that nobody expects to profit from organising Olympics. It's all about prestige
Russia gained none and became an international pariah sanctioned by the West instead, when it annexed Crimea
>>52715426
We made exactly £0, haha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games
>>52706707
>putin is nationalist
Which nation though? Definitely not russian.
>Kurban Bayram in Moscow
I don't any idea of what is happening to this thread beside that you, foreigners, do not know shit about Putin.
When he came, he was powerful politician, which did right things to our country. He had his mistakes, but anyway he did right thing, enforced some reforms(like pensions/election procedures/etc.) against will of people, but in the end we understood it was right thing. Then came Medvedev, which is his protege, and medvedev did just weird shit, but in the end, he changed nothing.And then putin came again...
He is just a man, with restrictions of human body, mind and personality. He is now too influenced now with oligarchs which he let live in 00's, his elite and all this shit. Now he have no authority inside country to do whatever he wants. His ministeries broke, and those which are still adequate matter nothing: Ministery's of Work opinion is not listened, Ministery of jurisdiction, which was meant to regulate everything, got "regulated" on Khuy of anyone who has even a tiny piece of power. At least our Ministery of Foreign Affairs is ok, and Lavrov is kawaii, trying to get everyone's boiled shit together.
You see, Putin now for us is like Doshirak you bought on your last 26 rubles: Yeah, this shit traumatize your stomach, but at least you can eat something.
Also, in 00' he was best politician in the terms of Tao te Tzin: everyone knew about him only that he exists.
