Can you be a nationalist of a country you don't belong to? I envy people who live in cool countries they can be proud of, I never knew that feeling.
Personally I have a boner for England and I like to roleplay a toryist anglican.
Anyone else know this feel?
Of course you can. Good choice of country btw
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Youn are a man of refined good taste, Anon.
>>52693285
Yeah, you described me ;__;
>>52693285
>>52695535
fucking pathetic. I can understand the pineapple to some point but this finnish fag...
>>52693285
>toryist anglican
>wanting to be literal shit
i wish i was a croat instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40wqlmzMTSg
How do your lands get incorporated into the Empire then?
>>52693285
>people saying nice things about Britain on int
Am I being rused?
>>52693623
why is brittania depicted like that? you dont have much to do with greeks or romans
something more accurate would be a badass barbarian warioress with those cool anglo-saxon helmets
>>52693285
it's called being a x-boo
>>52695667
Yeah, by couple of autists
>tfw some of my country feels we should wipe the union jack off our flag
>we were once apart of the great empire
the british expansion was probably the best thing that could have happened to this world
>>52695679
When Rome conquered England they used Britannia as a depiction of England and out it on Coins. We thought it was cool and used it ourselves.
>>52695768
>the british expansion was probably the best thing that could have happened to this world
mm... no
>>52695839
Good argument
>>52695679
>you dont have much to do with greeks or romans
>you dont have much to do with romans
>romans
>>52695859
It's not up to arguing, your imperialism was shit for most people. If you cant understand that you're a fucking retard.
>>52695679
We were part of the Roman Empire famfam
>>52695839
This is the part where you give us the reasons why the Mongolian expansion was better and no using your own existence as a point mr.
>>52693285
Faggot
>>52695911
Oh you mean you got raped, pillaged, and conquered? sweet proud spot my romeboo
>>52695535
Oh, et tu, ebinland
>>52695907
>get colonised by british empire
>infant mortality goes down
>life expectancy goes up
>infrastructure gets build
>common law gets implemented
the horror
>>52695684
This.
Truthfully, I liked watching the General Election, but only in a spectator-sport way. Just like Americans hate it when foreigners try to change/comment on our politics, I'm sure Brits would hate it if an American or anyone else did the same to them.
>>52695911
>muh heritage
>>52695917
Normally i'd be all for mongol memes, but since we're having a serious discussion here. Stop being a fucking retard.
>>52693285
USA
USA
USA
God bless, I can cite every single of the 27 amendments of the constitution of United States of America and I know all the 50 states and over 200 cities/towns/villages in the US. I've been to 5 US states in my lifetime and I hope to visit more. Fuck Obama, he is not "my" president, Trump 2016.
>>52695957
I'm not a Romeboo
Just saying we obviously had something to do with the Romans. Because we part of the Roman Empire.
We factually did have something to do with the Romans. For hundreds of years. Why are you autists chimping out about this?
>>52695907
>opening trade and securing naval navigation
>spreading industrialisation, representative democracy and capitalism
>shit for most people
gr8 b8 m8
>>52695966
Dont act stupid son.
>>52696017
>memes
No memes in reality m8
>>52696025
DOG BLESS
>tfw no austrian empire to make balkans relevant again
>>52696031
All of this shit has consequences m8.
>implying capitalism is some dankest idea ever
>only brits were democratic lelz
>>52696087
Fucking beautiful. Brought tear to my eye.
>>52696057
Why dont you look at your own history before starting to meme about ours.
>>52696090
>He unironically wants germanics to make us relevant again
NOVUM BYZANTIUM you cvck
>>52696090
>living like an illiterate peasant under incompetent Magyars with no vote and no language rights
Thanks, I'll pass
>>52696153
Godspeed Serbbro
>>52696173
>implying we don't already suck germans off
Not a nationalist but I think broadly that cultural/ethnic preservation around the world is very important, so the old, the ancient, the pure and the high civilizations should be defended. So I stand with Tibet and Taiwan against PRC, France and Sweden against Americanization, classical architecture against postmodern architecture, real Japanese culture against moeshit etc.
>>52696173
>russcuck emigrant praising the motherland
What are you doing in Germany if Russia's so great?
>>52695839
literally everything you own is the a direct or indirect result of britain conquering the world
>hur dur muh palestine
arabs and jews murdering each other
who cares
I like to roleplay in my head and sometimes online as a nationalist for the countries my ancestors were from and the confederacy
Europeans will never understand how fun muh heritage can be
>>52696413
Why are there people on 4chan who oppose interventionism? Do they want to live in shitty third world countries with inferior culture?
O SUL
>>52696320
>Byzantium is Russian
Holy kek
Slovakia are you stupid ?
Only because they accepted Slavs, the empire was NOT Russian
>>52696413
what the fuck are you even on about all the sudden son? fuck off wannabe emperor
>hur dur muh palestine
>>52696770
Russians like to claim Byzantine heritage
I'm glad we've chased out Greek missionaries and fell under influence of Rome desu
That's why we don't use cyrillic
>>52696487
>Do they want to live in shitty third world countries with inferior culture?
like croatia?
>>52696933
Well I sure wouldn't oppose being a british colony mate
>>52696969
Kill yourself already noncountry
>>52696906
>Russians like to claim Byzantine heritage
They can claim what they want
Byzantium got more and more Hellenic, Slavs migrated to their lands
>>52695907
India would have built the world's biggest rail network without the British?
Egypt would have built the Suez canal without the British?
>>52697032
Probably yeah.
Are you actually implying the brits somehow didn't benefit massively from all this and they just did it for the goodness of their hearts?
good goy
>>52695679
best literature
best poetry
best tv shows
best christian denomination
best language
where else are they based?
>>52697108
>implying this is about the benefits of britain
the benefits of the countries the british occupied severely outweighted the benefits the british themselves reaped
are mongols actually this retarded
>>52695679
Something about the Roman emperor Claudius visiting the Isles when they were conquering England. Some old architecture of Toman nature at that time had the Romans with a bare breasted warrior woman under their heel. Lady Britannia began and was eventually personified as a Goddess similar to Minerva.
It could also have something to do with Boudica; the rebel queen of the tribes fighting against the Romans who was defeated and looked very similar from paintings.
>>52697197
Are you 50 IQ nigger perhaps? Dont babble that bullshit.
They ravaged the shit out of their resources and dominated around like bunch of fucks. Dont give me that dogooder anglo shit.
It's like fucking russian propaganda movie. "we helped them guise"
Get real nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes
>>52697108
>Being this deluded
At this point I know you are some mad Refugee
or really a descendant of Genghis
>>52697309
See >>52696078 India is a shithole but that's the fault of Indians
People in HK for example LOVE Brits because they still see us as the reason they are free, developed and better than mainland Chinese
>>52697411
>a fucking turk calling me a refugee
Jos vaikka vetäsit vitun päähäs neekeri :D
>>52697427
You do understand world would be much different without british or spanish or baguettelel empire? We could be speaking fucking indian right now. We can only speculate if it would be worse or better. But dont give me this bullshit about your shitty empire being some good guys.
>>52697489
At least, I'm a proud descendant of Genghis :^)
>>52697602
A world without widespread british influence would be worse for sure
>>52697602
Literally no one is saying they did it for the sake of being good. Of course it was self serving. But it is undeniable that it was not exclusively so and that they hugely developed and brought education and improved facilities across the globe.
Yes we can only speculate, but there's a hell of a lot of history and evidence to base an educated guess on.
>>52697602
Why are you so mad?
>>52697602
Except while you are speculating about how it could have been better, he gave you real, quantifiable examples of how things WERE improved.
'Goodness' is irrelevant. Applying morals to human development is asinine.
>>52697602
that HTR2B gene must really be fucking with your guys brains if you cannot see how the world has improved due to the british
>>52693285
Yes.
t. ameriphile
>>52697309
We fucked up a lot but we tried to develop places and 'civilise' them as well as extract value.
We did want cheap agriculture from empire too though so we did keep some places toob agricultural too long. And mismanagement of resources resulting in the odd famine, some systematic abuses, let us down. But we set out with enlightenment values at heart and highly Christian outlook. We weren't all dogooders, but where possible we brought good with the bad and developed mutually beneficial relationship as far as we could
>>52697606
>>52697698
>>52697711
>>52697731
>>52697737
>>52697789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes :^)
It's like bunch of stormfags parading about their shitty opressor shithole.
>>52696078
>Implying Vietnam is not based af
Muh Cherypicking btw
>>52697863
>Christian outlook
fuck off with your sandnigger values.
It's not like they invented any of those values anyway.
>>52696078
>USA
Then you can add England for France, amirite ?
>>52697866
Please give some British empire examples of this
>>52697928
>he thinks christian culture isn't the foundation of the west
>>52697980
"west"
top lel, care to elaborate what people mean with this "west"
>>52698025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture
I'm sorry that you can't comprehend western civilization.
Hint: Christianity is essential to it and nobody falls for the dark ages meme anymore.
>>52697975
Use your head sheep shagger. You think abos or maoris and other ooga boogas had it good when your aussie fag brothers came in? You think native americans liked that shit when you bunch of europeans went over?
Lose the pope robe pls..
>>52698164
>muh native americans
Yeah what a great civilization. I shudder to think of that great intellectual and scientific heritage we opressed.
>>52698147
U redu je vidjeti britansku ili individualne britanske kulture kao nešto dobro, možda čak i pozitivno u nekim stvarima, ali ti i ja imamo doticaja sa Britancima kao Nigerijac sa Španjolcima. Jedino čega se ovdje isplati biti "boo" je Austrija. Turci su nas toliko sjebali da nismoznali makadam izravnati dok nisu došli Austrijanci
Čitaj, brate, ovo je put multipolarne budućnosti. Ne Amerika/Britanija/Rusija. Gledajmo blizu:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Slavism
>>52698164
You think they had it better before the modern day?
You think that transitional period of exploitation and colonisation is the only part of that history and that the development didn't continue to what we are now?
Would the Maori be enjoying education, benefits, alcohol, rugby and maccas now if they had been left in isolation?
No, they'd be in huts and half of them probably starving to death because they were driving every food source they had to extinction before eating each other.
>>52698255
All cultures are equal shitlord!
>>52698281
Pa slažem se u biti, ali ovdje je nemoguće imati pro-austrijski pogled, gotovo isključivo se negativno gleda na to.
Nacionalizam je prevladao i bilo je samo pitanje vremena dok se nisu sve državice javile sa svojim "muh izmišljeni preci" pokretima.
>>52698255
We didn't opress anyone. We are immune to the racism labels presented to WASP folk in the United States and broader. No Croatian man, woman or child was a slave owner. We live with lesser paychecks than the Negro does in the U.S now. We have lesser opportunities as opposed to them. While they were in slavery, we were the poorest region in the Empire, a long way from developing, with minor literacy except in small parts of the northwest. Croatians didn't oppress anyone, and no one has the right to bunch us up with WASPs, the French, the Spaniards based on our skin colour. Caucasian/White = honky/whitey/slave owner. You are not supposed to be aware of their plight because you didn't create their condition. You're not supposed to be sorry because you didn't do anything. We are not supposed to help or apologize to these people because the Republic of Croatia never participated in slavery, traded with African people, imported or abused them in any way
>>52698147
I'm not christian.
Neither i'm a part of your fantasy western culture.
Neither are you t b h even if you want to.
>heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies
How many threads are there per day where we bash ppl for acting differently? Having shit political systems?
Technology i can admit, but it's not like its not for fucking sale man.
Your country is nothing like the next one or the one after that. So as a "nation" i dont know what the fuck you're on about.
>>52698399
Zato velim da je to budućnost, zbog toga što više nema "muh tamnica naroda" mitološkog nacionalizma. Samo patriotizam, bajo moj. Ja sam skroz za to da stvorimo jake, centralno kontrolirane trgovačke veze sa tim zemljama, da se nešto počne. Mi pripadamo sa tim ljudima. Mađarima, Slovencima, Austrijancima, Česima i Slovacima
>>52698299
My original point:
Get off your high-horses fags. You ain't shit even if you belong to some old empire.
Nobody needs to thank you, nobody needs to praise you.
>>52698566
What are you on about?
You argued that the world is not better off because of the British empire and we have demonstrably countered that.
I never said they should be praised or you should go out and kiss their arses. Just don't go spewing autism and bashing a civilization when they've probably had some of the greatest positive impact on human development in our species' history.
I don't love the Romans. They were all for mass slaughter and the annihilation of other cultures. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the things they brought to the table and the massive amount of good that came from that Empire.
>>52698147
>"Western civilisation"
>Created by Southern European Greeks and Romans
>Religion came from the Levant in Asia
tip top lel westerncucks never achieved anything barbarious scum
hope they will die and fuck off from eastern europe with their homopropaganda and sjw shit
>>52698661
You want Europe to stop giving Poland bennies so you can sink back into a post-war soviet shithole?
>>52698435
You are completely clueless about history and how intellectual movements work.
It's completely irrelevant if you're personally christian or not, that has nothing to do with it. The point is that Christian philosophy has shaped the world profoundly and it sprouted from earlier greek philosophies and various other sources.
The very fact you can claim this edgy anti-theism is proof you're in a christian culture.
>>52698435
Are you an immigrant or sort? I'm very much interested, not looking to put the finger on you...
Your country and yourself enjoy the fruit of western civilization. Christianity was essential to shaping the western civilization. His points are completely valid. Your "bunt" against it is also evident. Just say you disagree. There is no need to go on a sperging spree about it
And /int/ threads should not be used as an argument (of sort). Please, don't...
>>52693285
>OP
>>52698652
>You argued that the world is not better off because of the British empire and we have demonstrably countered that.
How can we know it wouldn't be a better place? Everything your ancestors robbed was basically away from someone elses civilization.
>They were all for mass slaughter and the annihilation of other cultures.
kinda like british empire back in the opressor days?
>I never said they should be praised or you should go out and kiss their arses.
I dont give a fuck about you
HAVE YOU FUCKING LOOKED AT WHAT THREAD YOU'RE FUCKING IN M8?
You anglo empire fags literally expect nobody else could have devoleped anything and you're some epitome of human civilization?
Pro tip, you're bunch of hicks with bad teeth.
>>52698988
Not OP. They might not be the epitome of great civilizations and are definitely not the saviours of mankind, but they were pioneering in a lot of things, otherwise they wouldn't have "stretched their wings" so far
>>52698710
Sorry, i dont live inside your fantasy christian western bubble.
>>52698819
I literally just said i disagreed in the 10 first posts.
>Are you an immigrant or sort?
what the fuck is this retarded implification?
Painu ananaskääpä vittuun.
>>52699107
First person with a fucking brain and not severe cause of angloautsimbooism or babble about some fantasy christian bubble.
>>52698710
>>52697980
Nah, the foundation of the West is this specific approach to notion of truth. which was developed by pagan Greeks looong time before some hellenised Jew begun to preach himself as the embodiment of it in some remote shithole. Science which boosted the Western civilization is in its essence discussing the truth, not worshipping it, and is founded on active, tiresome search for truth and not on passive waiting for the end of times, because there is nothing more to do when the truth has been found.
If Christianity can be said to be foundation of anything, it's probably communism. A promised kingdom foretold by some long-bearded prophets, brightened by a kind of God in His person, where everyone is happy and equal and which shall be enforced around the whole world, whether people will like it or not. And if someone is not happy, it's because he's wicked and damned, and thus he goes to hell.
>>52699188
>I literally just said i disagreed in the 10 first posts.
And then continued to condescendingly mock on that Croat's posts, without even fortifying your opinion other than "t.b.h", "retarded", "fantasy". You're obviously against the idea, we can see, but that doesn't change the reality. Even if Croatia is not in western Europe, western culture is no restricted to western Europe
Your senseless attitude suggests that you fell into Finland from outer space, that's why I ask whether you're an immigrant or not. You're clueless. There's no "fantasy western world". You and I live it. I'm sorry you despise/dislike Christianity/Western world, this or that, apples or berries, but it is how it is. You live in a Europe "scarred" by Christianity and western influence. You're not there geographically, but you're part of the "bubble"
>>52699351
You describe it as Christianity doesn't support criticism and never had scientific and empirical approach to things...Jesus Christ, I know they do this in Croatia, but seems like the clutches of communism did their damage to view on religious history
>>52699394
Christianity
>not my religion
"western culture"
>not my culture
I think i know better as a fucking finn what kind of place i live in than some pineapple. You dont know a single fucking thing about finns or our history/culture outside /int/ memes.
I dont claim to know shit about croatia, live in your christian bubble fantasy western civilization. But dont preach your stupid shit to me.
>>52699107
>>52699188
Maori and particularly Aboriginals hadn't really changed in 50000 years
Britain colonised and expanded for land and resources, not for the natives.
>>52699548
In all honesty, i could care less about some savage niggers. Just making a point and bashing anglo cuntfaces who think they're top ramen.
>>52699513
Your cities support western architecture, you have the same analytical/continental approach to life/philosophy/monetary system...you are Europeans, and your society used to be a religious one. Western culture was influenced by Christianity. Period. From its frugal economics by 13th century Aquinas to Descartes and Stephen Meyers or whatever
We never discussed your culture and your religion. We discussed your country's culture and religion. Sure, with the rise of secularism, I can't say Finland is now defined by Christianity. I am saying what I've been saying in all of my posts:
We live in western culture, we are defined through it and Christianity was a decisive part of it
>>52699606
Due to the influx of Japanese, Chinese and Koreans I'd say we do have some of the world's top ramen
>>52699466
Somebody needs to study scholasticism and exactly how much christian views influenced and expanded on the "pagan greeks".
But that's rarely covered anywhere so we have this bullshit reneissance meme that makes it seem like we just picked up from where the greeks left off, nevermind the centuries of philosophy done in a christian framework that lead to the scientific method.
>tfw family going way back is not anglo but white as fuck
>tfw you still vote conservative, has a picture of the Queen in your room, trying to enlist in the Royal Navy (yes, we still call it that), should be another few months till I join
>tfw you switched to drinking tea instead of coffee
>tfw you will still never be English
whats the fucking point in life? pls help bros
>>52699466
Christianity support authorities. If an authority said something, it must be respected and revered, and the whole Christian support for criticism is benevolent permission to careful search for safe byways around some dumb Beotes in purple and red robes, even if they think that Earth is unmovable and the world will shake when people will be told otherwise.
It's because Christianity conveniently forgot about the lesson some whipster taught his great pythagorean masters. They were thinking that everything is measurable and that number is godlike because of that. They praised it. And the said whipster just PROVED that diagonal of a square cannot be measured and shoved their pompous hymns right back into their throats.
This happened some two millenia ago. Or maybe two and a half, I don't remember.
>>52699734
Brate od druge majke. Jesi li ti doslovno ja. Nisam kršćanin ali ove pogane treba uvjeriti da renesansa i vrsni i utjecajni "bizantinski znanstvenici" su stoljetna mema
>>52699513
>Aristotle
>not my personal metaphysical outlook
>therefore Aristotle didn't shape all of western philosophy in MY COUNTRY!
This is how retarded you are
read a book
>>52699734
The development to modern science was done largely by Christians, but it wasn't a Christian framework. If anything it was consistently held back because of the church and the Christian view of the world.
Almost all early development toward modern science was an attempt to evidence an established world view, rather than what it should be; establishing a world view based on evidence.
It took (and still takes) out of the box thinking to create innovation and progress, not thinkers that were deeply established in the culture/religion of the time.
>>52699642
>Your cities support western architecture
Finnish architecture and architects happen to be appreciated around the world. I Dont know what the fuck you're on about. Again some angloboo fantasy.
>analytical/continental approach to life/philosophy/monetary system
no we dont.
>your society used to be a religious one.
we had our own shit before christianity was forced.
>Western culture was influenced by Christianity. Period.
none of that christian culture is finnish culture.
>We discussed your country's culture and religion.
Here you have to know finns existed before Finland, oh yeah you just claim you know shit about finns.
>I can't say Finland is now defined by Christianity.
Finland has never been defined by christianity.
Yeah and i'm still saying your western culture doesn't fucking exist. All the countries in europe have unique and different cultures. All you can relate to is your fucking love for jesus and some myth about unified culture.
Theres no "we" Can you fucking get it already?
>>52699862
Why dont you stop being a fucking robot and think for yourself choirboy?
>>52699888
>britain is discovering the world
>creating new sciences
finland on the other hand was a bunch of tribal peasants until the 17-18th century when swedish shook their shit up
>>52699822
I acknowledge your view but I disagree with it...
Christianity evolved beyond "the red robe permission" very early on. The world didn't wait for the priest's approval when great art was made in the 15th century, when comets were noticed in the 17th century, when the chemists made astounding finds in the 18th century
>It's because Christianity conveniently forgot about the lesson some whipster taught his great pythagorean masters. They were thinking that everything is measurable and that number is godlike because of that. They praised it. And the said whipster just PROVED that diagonal of a square cannot be measured and shoved their pompous hymns right back into their throats.
And Christians had their own thesis. History is not "Illuminated versus the backward Christian". The stubborn authority of Rome doesn't reflect on all of Christianity
>>52699856
Slažem se brate, nisam ni ja nikakav vjernik ali kroz čitanje filozofije i povijesti čovjek jednostavno ne može nastaviti sa modnim sekularizmom, smiješno je i naivno.
Skolastici i cijela ta znanstvena renesansa u 13. stoljeću nakon prijevoda Aristotelovih djela - strašno zanimljiva tema. Ima danas povjesničara koji tvrde da je upravo racionalistička struja u zapadnoj teologiji (tipa Akvinski, Anselm, Skot itd.) dovela do početka onoga što zovemo znanstvenom metodom, i to nas razlikuje od ostalih kultura.
Ljudi ne znaju koliko je srednjovjekovna filozofija štovala logiku i koliko je to utjecalo na cijeli taj empirijski način razmišljanja, nije sigurno izronuo od nikud nakon stoljeća spavanja pod opresijom zlih katolika.
"I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times there were not forgotten."
>>52699963
Here you dont know that Russia, for example was formed by bunch of tribes, which some of were finns. Putins mother is a finn or some shit, Swedish royalty has a finn.
Finn's are on fucking old dutch and german maps.
Again you dont know shit sheep shooker.
>>52699975
Dude, christianity has done nothing but hold humanity back. Go fuck yourself.
>>52696078
No Singapore
common m8
>>52699885
Nope, the framework of western theology is exactly what lead to the philosophies of rationalism and empiricism and all that modern science shit. Dudes like Descartes and Locke really recycled centuries old arguments between scholastics.
>>52699862
(sigh) There is a story about some aristotelian aristocrate living in the Age of Reason who could not believe air combined with fire can give water, because elements and shit. He decided he will disagree with chemists and that he shall show Aristotle was right. So one day, in the presence of his friends, he took a deep breath of stinking air (hydrogen) and blew in the flame.
Ouch.
(Kudos for the story for professor Włodzisław Duch.)
>>52693285
no.
I've backhanded so many shitskins who think they can come in here and claim they are Finnish
if you're not born here and can't even speak the language, even if you have a citizenship it means nothing - you're not Finnish, and by extension you can't be a Finnish nationalist
Russians are a special case since Russia is a part of Finland, they're cool
>>52699888
>Again some angloboo fantasy.
You seriously didn't equate western culture to Brits now, you mong...This just might be the reason why you're so defensive about it
>no we dont.
>none of that christian culture is finnish culture.
Your people put decorated trees during Christmas or other decorations for the Christmas/New Year's Eve preparations. That might be pagan, but it was still spread wide by Christians. Your scientists worked exchanging knowledge with other European fine minds, in a connected western influenced "network". Your holidays, need I say more here...your architecture is littered with functionalism, your literature is riddled with western concepts. What do you want? Are you some kind of a "boo" or "anti" that you refuse to accept simple concepts?
>we had our own shit before christianity was forced.
So you don't have any Christian culture but Christianity was forced upon you. Good job deducing that. Bla bla, everyone had their own shit before Christianity. We had a Slavic realm in the 8th century before the big bad pope didn't send his legate and enslaved us with "le evil semitic religion of THE JEW" or whatever people aim at these days
>Finland has never been defined by christianity
Look above
>Yeah and i'm still saying your western culture doesn't fucking exist. All the countries in europe have unique and different cultures
We all know French salad, the rifle, the Union Jack, Amad Smith's capitalism, the periodic table. This is European culture. Every country has its own culture or an offshot of a larger one if it's a group, but there are characteristics uniting us and shaping our cultures. This is western culture
There is "we". We are living in it, as I said. I'm not pro-federation or for a unified Europe or for abandoning other languages in favour or this, or abandoning our statehood, but I still acknowledge the simple fact of the widespread influence of western culture
>>52700066
Tfw will never be a plantation owner in Georgia
Also
>all this Finland butthurt
>>52700283
Have never seen that flag before, I like it.
Also, tell your cricket team to actually start playing well please.
>>52700127
You're fucked, mate. I'm not a Christian and I say this: You're a bitter, sadly clueless, fuck
>>52700238
And this anecdotes of ignorant folk help us how? Is there some didactic approach here I'm missing? There are millions of ignorant people. I am ignorant in many things. What anecdote will deny the simple fact that science was full of Christians, and not everyone was dragged in chains to Rome to be flogged or killed because the Pope was butthurt about something
>>52700240
It's really hard to be anti-papist around here considering our culture started when we were "enslaved" by the kike-on-a-stick religion and evil missionaries infected us with literacy.
>>52699975
History is winners' bitch. Cars ride not because of miracles or demons, but because of small cyclic explosions of refined oil in their cast engines. They also kill people. Sometimes because a bus driver scratched on his steering wheel "Boże prowadź" (lead/drive, oh God).
>>52700239
That doesn't apply to all countries though.
USA for example is a nationality defined by simply being a part of it.
Northern European countries are ethnic groups as well as cultural.
Western Europe were Ethnic groups too i.e. English but now that is being phased out and what makes someone "British" is changing due to progressivism.
I'm not arguing whether its good or bad, but what makes someone belong to a nation or be of that nationality is different around the world and not everywhere is the same as Finland. There are a lot of blurred lines.
A year ago Finns were all based dank memers
Where did this anti-British SJW come from?
Britain was one of the only successful colonizers in history
>>52693285
>tfw you will never fight with Arkan's Tigers
Why even live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2AWOwylod4
>>52700454
my name is pajeet patel and i am a kiwi
i live here 2 year with my family
fuck u john key
>>52700454
A New Zealander has to explain basic statehood view in different country, to a Finn, a European. Supposed intelligent human being. And Europeans are still nowadays considered more sophisticated/refined on the average...
The world we live in...
>>52700589
I'm actually a Jerseyman :^)
It doesn't surprise me that someone from an insular country has an insular view of the world. I know that well enough from my own home.
>>52700389
Yeah, there is some didactic approach you are missing. On the softer tone it is: know the measure and don't dickwave when somebody tells you you can lose your teeth by your own handiwork. Did you Christians lose all your temperance? It was a virtue some time ago.
On the harsher tone it is: you won't win with truth.
Finland go away, you're embarrassing everyone.
>>52699513
Finland was literally owned by Sweden, a very protestant nation, for hundreds of years. Then it was owned by the Russians for a few hundred years. It might not be top tier Western Civilization, but Finland is definitely a product of Western European mores and Judeo-Christian tradition. It has its own native cultural influences, but to deny the impact of Christianity and Western civilization is to deny reality.
>>52700240
I dont give a fuck what you are t b h
>Your people put decorated trees during Christmas or other decorations for the Christmas/New Year's Eve preparations. That might be pagan, but it was still spread wide by Christians.
Yeah cos they literally had to integrate into pagan holidays.
>we had our own shit before christianity was forced.
And we still do doofus.
>Finland has never been defined by christianity
look above
>but there are characteristics uniting us and shaping our cultures. This is western culture
Care to mention these? And dont you fucking say christianity...
>We all know French salad, the rifle, the Union Jack, Amad Smith's capitalism
Never had a french salad.
Rifle is a fucking gun and gunpowder was made by chinks
the Union Jack is nothing to me
Amad Smith's capitalism, some fucking kike book i couldn't care 2 shits about
I dont understand what the fuck is your hardon for christianity? It's literally a desert nigger book that was influenced by bunch of older religions and backwards cultures. Even the first know monotheistic religion was made by a heretic pharao, probably the origins of jewish religion. It has done nothing for the world except hold humanity back in progress and freedom. It was made to control ppl, thats why danish king adopted that shit and forced it upon north in the first place. It took hundreds of years, it destroyed culture and roots.
There obviously is no "we" or i would hold the same opinions as you do.
I told you before, the technology part i can admit, but leave that other bullshit on the side.
>>52700719
I'm not a Christian. I won't fight for the truth out there. I will discuss things here. There is absolutely no incentive in trying to prove others out there in the world, in such a discontinuing way of communication. Someone will repeat the same sentence as that Finn did and I will tell him my opinion and some arguments for it. Everything beyond is out of my reach
>>52700337
yeah and you're a fucking pineapple noncountry going to church because someone said so.
>>52700728
go fuck yourself kike
>>52700454
>I'm not arguing whether its good or bad
>but let me argue for multicultism anyway :)
how about you just fuck off and let the adults talk
>>52693285
I know that feel bro I don't have anything to feel proud of because this is a shithole.
>>52700779
>Yeah cos they literally had to integrate into pagan holidays.
So it makes it entirely bad? Culture is not supposed to bend, morph, change in any way?
>And we still do doofus.
Like hell of a lot less than your butt scratching, wood carving ancestors did 2000 years ago. I'm sorry, love, but those days, no matter how much you reminisce of dying from cold after you slip into a river or the virtuous nature of the agrarian Finno-Ugric man or some other shit, are over. A classic victim of Rousseau's "b-but muh return to the roots, m-muh Christianity the spawn of all evils"
>Adam Smith's foundation to capitalism we push on today, capitalism that defined every other and was heavily commented by all economic disciplines and waves is some "kike book"
>Rifle is a fucking gun and gunpowder was made by chinks
And you fire a weapon by hold gunpowder? Not the actual rifle = The actual thing I was talking about. ¿HABLAS INGLES?
>Never had a french salad.
>I never had a French salad so my countrymen haven't either, and they definitely don't know about it/never use it
>the Union Jack is nothing to me
>look above
You are legitimately butthurt about Christianity. We're not even talking about you accepting it or reconciling with it or some other bullshit, but simple acknowledgment. And you can't do it because you're a superficial edge lord spewing Twitter tier philosophy. I'm fucking out
>>52700874
lmao why are you so angry? I literally just stated facts, there was no argument or opinion in that whatsoever.
>Some early histories of science—the history of science as a discipline dates
from the early decades of the last century—drew upon this narrative, and
various historical episodes were seen to confirm it. At this time there arose
the idea that there had been a perennial conflict between science and religion,
and the stories of such heroic scientific figures as Galileo and Darwin were
retrospectively reconstructed to conform to this pattern. In its infancy, the
history of science thus served to bolster a more general story about
secularization, Western progress, and the slow but inevitable victory of
science in its protracted struggle with the dark forces of religion.
>Recent developments in the history of science make much of this difficult to
sustain. There is an emerging view amongst historians that the seventeenth
and eighteenth centuries witness not a distancing between science and
religion, but rather a closer, if more complex, relationship than that of the
Middle Ages. Much attention has recently been paid to the emergence of the
modern notion of laws of nature, a conception which is underpinned by the
theological conviction that nature’s laws are direct volitions of God.
Corpuscular or atomic matter theory was also thought to be more consistent
with the idea of God who directly controlled the operations of nature, than
was the prevailing Aristotelian hylomorphism. And the new methods of
experimental natural philosophy were directly informed by theological
anthropology (or at least I shall argue in a forthcoming book). Overall, it can
be said that the new science presented itself as a more compatible with
Christianity than ‘pagan’ Aristotelianism that it eventually replaced.
>>52700761
I dont give a shit about your anglo brainwashing culture. I live in Finland as a Finn, i know my roots and who i am.
I dont give a fuck about some desert kike pineapples or new-worlder diaspora fags or their cultural influences.
Obviously neither did my ancestors since i'm not a fucking christian you dumb fucks. Finland is between east and west so fuck off with your cultures from east and west.
>>52701072
>desert kike pineapples
>>52701020
Again, you dont know shit about finland.
>And you fire a weapon by hold gunpowder? Not the actual rifle = The actual thing I was talking about. ¿HABLAS INGLES?
dont put words in my mouth fucktard, i'm the one that has actually had some military service.
Go out fag, maybe you realize your world isn't some fucking "western civilization" bubble faglord.
>>52701162
>i'm the one that has actually had some military service
>>52701220
Yeah, some people were actually doing shit for their country instead of fiddling their noodles over some bible incest stories straight outta arabian nights.
>>52701307
Amen for that.
>>52701045
>some dumb aussie thinks he knows Europe
every time I meet some Nordic non-Finn here I don't greet them like "hello fellow Northern European friend", I tell them to fuck off and never come back
when I go to other Nordic countries they tell me the same thing
when I go to Baltic countries, they are very hospitable, but eventually tell me to fuck off
we keep to ourselves here, and I like it
>ctrl + f "rhodesia"
>0 results
>>52701307
Examples of what you did for your country in the military?
>>52701387
Voitko kertoo mulle mitää nää nekrut hourii ja miks ne on niin vihasia etten tunnusta niitten paskaa kulttuuria omakseni?
>>52701415
i fuck'd your mum
>>52701387
That's what I said
Do you have a fully functioning brain?
>Not even one weeb in the whole thread.
がっかりした
>>52701557
I made sure of that, Even the angloweeb pineapple fucked off with his crusade and shit tier assumptions about finland.
>>52701423
en tiedä mustan miehen sielunmaisemista vittuakaan, mutta älä nyt missään nimessä alistu niiden paskalle
ollaan hei sivistyneempiä
>>52701469
sure you said
hey, link me the post where you said that, and I'll believe it
>>52701387
>I tell them to fuck off and never come back
>when I go to other Nordic countries they tell me the same thing
>when I go to Baltic countries, they are very hospitable, but eventually tell me to fuck off
>>52701673
>>52700454
>Northern European countries are ethnic groups as well as cultural
Meaning you have to be included in that to be of that nationality
fuck england
>>52701796
>>52701711
>American
>doesn't understand the long-standing rivalries and geopolitical tensions in Europe
well, it's not like I expected you to
>>52701978
No, you're just incredibly autistic and that made me cringe as well.
I can't speak for Finland but what you are saying is certainly not true for Norway and Sweden if you are making an effort to integrate.
>>52701054
Okay, so what do we have here...
>Corpuscular or atomic matter theory was also thought to be more consistent
with the idea of God who directly controlled the operations of nature, than
was the prevailing Aristotelian hylomorphism.
Yeah, except that the miracle of Transsubstantation is explained through the hylomorphic technobabble. And without it, the whole Catholic rite doesn't make any sense. Thanks for cooperation and move along.
(Yeah, I know he fucked off, but my head is itching under my fedora. NO, I WON'T TAKE IT OFF, IT'S GOOD LIKE THAT.)
>>52693285
I really like France for always trying its hardest but losing in the end.
>mfw our money is why they lost.
>>52702009
go home man, you're drunk and not making any sense
>>52702162
love this lad
>>52702162
If I lived and worked in Sweden and learnt Swedish, I wouldn't call myself Swedish but I would most certainly be welcome to live there and accepted by the locals.
>>52701978
Common people aren't, on a daily basis, caught up on historical tensions or geopolitical revaunchism so that they cannot treat tourists and travelers with respect
On the contrary, English and Scottish people joke how foreigners go there and think they actually still seriously care about medieval rivalries and wars, and don't just treat it as a subject of banter over a pint.
Even as the most hated nationality on earth I never experienced anyone fuming over it, let alone pre-modern rivalries, I highly doubt then that someone with a nationality as globally liked as yours would either
The world isn't as dark and hateful as /int/ makes it out to be, Telling a well-behaved European traveler from Finland visiting a Swedish pub to fuck off due to history requires some degree of mental illness
>>52702262
You're right and he's clearly just some basement dwelling Fin who lives out in the sticks
>this fucking finn
jesus christ
>>52702262
This is probably one of the most internationally aware posts I've ever seen an American make on /int/.
Is the world ending or something?
>>52702363
Same
This is NSFW
>>52702262
>Common people aren't, on a daily basis, caught up on historical tensions
well, maybe not in America, but they are in real countries that have a history
there's a reason why swedes flock to the western border and why the russians keep themselves by the eastern border
>>52702363
Wew, even as a compliment you couldn't resist an ad Vexillum
>>52702607
How could I not when the flag is what makes the post special?
>>52695770
>>52695889
>>52695911
>>52696030
>we wuz Romans n shieeet
>>52702262
This autistic Finn is just butthurt that nobody cares about the Mongols, pay him no mind.
>>52702482
t. Mohammed Khan
>>52695907
You ever been to any of the countries colonisation was so apparently terrible for? 9/10 of the people there will tell you that when things went bad was when the colonists left.
>>52702543
>well, maybe not in America,
I don't like or give a shit about the USA, the posts are about your potential experiences. I highly doubt you would be treated poorly if you visit Stockholm. Feel free to give it a try though, it might just warm your cold heart in a way even a sauna cannot.
>>52702697
Yeah I suppose you're right. He must be the same Finn who has recently stated weekly threads bitching about the slave trade and Euro colonization
>>52701394
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
>>52693285
I am a Sloveniaboo.
http://youtu.be/7ktY5W9ypUg
>>52704373
Oops. Wrong link.
http://youtu.be/Fewqp4nwULA
>>52700238
>believe air combined with fire can give water
This is condensation, lad.
>>52704446
Lovely eyes
>>52704446
How do you even find things like this?
>>52695889
Greeks were visiting Britain before the Romans mate, Pytheas for instance and he was just following known trade routes.
I am proud of Spanish empire. My ancestors conquered practically an entire continent, and they do not just defeated anothers empires or nations, they defeated civilizations. Liberating people from savagery. Bringing Rome and Western civilisation to people submerged in barbarism.
How many countries can say they defeated an entire civilization? We defeated a few of them.
We were too small comparated to other empires (France had twice our population), and we were more warrior, noble, clerical and artist nation than scientific and technological. Our greatness was the cross and the sword. But no one gave us to choice, and in the end, much to history's surprise, a handful of Spaniards proved able to make the world very dearly, by fighting until not one of us was left standing.
>>52701072
>A Finn, knowing anything outside of his swamp.
I'd tell you to return the computer to the Swede you stole it from but then I realized you've probably eaten him already. :3
I'm actually surprised you let him live long enough to teach you how to use it. Even more so you were capable of understanding him. Finns aren't known for their ability to do anything but play with knives and bitch at Sweden.
I heard of an Austrian painter who was really nationalistic about Germany. He did pretty well
