How do countries in Scandinavia, Switzerland and those few others rank so well regarding corruption?
Don't politicians get bribed there? Don't they abuse power and steal from the public? Don't they award government contracts to their friends/family? Is it cultural or they have better laws? How do they do it?
i hear that finland is one of the most corrupt countries once
also
>that based uruguay
>>52659247
Sweden is corrupt but people are used to it and support the government anyway
>>52659308
Finland doesn't have much of a government to begin with
better education
Simple.
>>52659344
But how? Here for example if you have money you are guaranteed to get away with pretty much everything. You can even buy your way out of prison.
>>52659308
A bigger sense of community, and actual belief in that things work. Also, importantly, there is almost no poverty here.
>>52659247
Bullshit map.
>>52659482
What will you do when the oil runs out
How will you feed your wife???
>>52659247
>sweden
>80-89
yeah no maybe 20 years ago
>>52659247
When cops are paid reasonably well they cant take bribes because the punishment is huge and they cant hide among the many cops that take bribes. This means that corruption is largely unseen by the populace and they trust their police.
Politicians are somewhat corrupt in all countries. Ireland is has a reasonably good score but we know our politicians are corrupt.
>>52659482
>A bigger sense of community
http://www.thelocal.se/20071017/8814
yeah, of course
>>52659247
n-no, not at all :)
100% perfect honesty here
>>52659247
they have money (and jobs) so they don't care, those lists are not about real corruption, they are about perception of corruption.
>tfw New Zealand is in a league of its own
>>52659247
Note that your map shows "transparency" of gov officials, not the de facto "corruption".
Naturally, the less transparent the officials are the easier to steal without anyone noticing, but it doesn't mean that it's a must.
TL;DR - the map shows where it's easier to be corrupted, not the corruption itself.
>>52659247
You can't measure corruption, your picture simply refers to transparency. In dark blue countries it means 90% of the government spending can be seen by the public. Every action done by the government is open for the public eyes to see. Doesn't mean the small 10% of "secret spending" isn't extremely corrupt. For all we know Sweden could have a space program where billions are embezzled.
>>52659657
Nah Somalia and North Korea are pretty dark as well m8
>>52659664
>>52659707
Ok but it is still more or less a good indicator. You can't say that corruption is rampant in say Switzerland when we know it really isn't.
>>52659556
Come back when you want to pay taxes for southern italy.
>>52659555
>Ireland is has a reasonably good score but we know our politicians are corrupt.
how do you "know" that?
>>52659849
even we know man
corruption is part and parcel of politics
>>52659767
switzerland is a bit different, their govt and voting system are worlds apart from ours
>>52659849
Do you not know that your politicians are corrupt?? Next you will say that the Catholic church does molest your children and protect pedophile priests.
>>52659955
What about your country then?
>>52659956
doesnt.
>Is it cultural or they have better laws?
It's both.
We have laws that properly penalise politicians, and we have commissions independent from the normal government that deal with corruption.
We also vote the fuckers out if they're dodgy, and our newspapers love a good corruption story. There's no government control of the media, even the state-owned and state-funded media is independent.
There's a phrase in Australia, "keep the bastards honest." Pretty well sums up our opinion of politicians.
>>52659806
why do people on /int/ always assume they're talking with northern italians? We have the same flag
>>52659767
It does and doesn't at the same time.
If the officials are against being more transparent it might suggest that they got something to hide.
But than again, the police is lawful to invistigate all the things that aren't transparent to the public if there's a suspected corruption so it's not like the government can do whatever they want if the public can't see it.
>>52659247
>corsica isnt france
>>52659247
Scandinavian countries are very good at PRing and marketing speak.
The only excellent Nordic country is Finland; pupils in Finland consistently do well in mathematics and science, very much in contrast to the dumb and strangely docile barbarians that are the peoples of Sweden and Norway.
>>52660401
hahahahaha you're funny
most teenagers here don't know where france is, they do well because teachers literally have to tell their students what's gonna be on the test and some teachers even complained about cheating on major exams and not being able to do anything about it
like you said, all PR
>>5265924
>Hong Kong and Singapore both blue (Anglo colonization)
>Macau dark blue (Portuguese colonization)
>Japan blue (Practical American colonization)
hurr durr European colonization izz bad
Is this the "Corruption Perceptions Indicator"?
Why is this index so much more popular and more cited than the "Corruption Barometer", which I would assume is more of an objective measure?
"Corruption perceptions" basically measures how happy the people are with their government, not how corrupt a country actually is. Though, I will admit that the the countries on the more objective index are basically the same.
>you can't measure corruption directly
>perception of corruption used instead
>Scandinavia, Canada and NZ are just more gullible than other places
>mfw
As far as America vs Canada goes, corporations have relatively less influence on the political process than they do in the U.S. Relatively being the keyword.
People just trust the government more here?! I feel that curtails the power of private entities somewhat. It's the other way around in the States.
I can't explain why some European countries score so low though.
>Don't politicians get bribed there? Don't they abuse power and steal from the public? Don't they award government contracts to their friends/family? Is it cultural or they have better laws? How do they do it?
Good question. Overall I think Canadian politicians are just as rotten here. They're just more likely to be prosecuted if they're caught.
Corruption is easier to fight when you're a small country, add into that a strong sense of social responsibility and you understand why the Nordic countries and Switzerland rank so highly.
>>52660553
Are you kidding me?
they do it more cleverly
that is the ONLY difference trust me
>america
>low corruption
FALSE just more clever at hiding it
>>52661485
Corruption barometer is by perception as well
>>52661485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
it's this thing
>The 2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions.[5] The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and the World Justice Project.[6]
Countries must be assessed by at least three sources to appear in the CPI.[7] The 13 surveys/assessments are either business people opinion surveys or performance assessments from a group of analysts.[2] Early CPIs used public opinion surveys.
and
>In a 2013 article in Foreign Policy, Alex Cobham suggested that CPI should be dropped for the good of Transparency International. It argues that the CPI embeds a powerful and misleading elite bias in popular perceptions of corruption, potentially contributing to a vicious cycle and at the same time incentivizing inappropriate policy responses.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's not perfect.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯even the dude criticizing the index might be biased as well.
>>52661715
nope
a common exercise in classes is to name all countries in the EU
a lot of them confuse france and germany, very few know where ireland is, to say nothing of eastern europe and the like
they do recognise greece, turkey and spain because lol holiday and italy because lol boot
t. teacher's assistant
>Asia
>>52659247
They're just better at hiding it.
>>52659247
Very rarely, and when they do it usually isn't that much. Our civil service though is amazing. You don't have to bribe anyone for anything and if you try they look at you all confused and don't understand what you're trying to do.
It's great.
