Why isn't the fact that t*rks have been proven to be financially supporting ISIS made traction in mainstream western media?
There are ways things are done, a process of hierarchy so to speak
That fact itself is not important enough to be made worthy of traction
>>52634406
>There are ways things are done, a process of hierarchy so to speak
what did he mean by this
>>52634498
It means that information is damaging to public opinion about our side. We cannot mishandle it
God do I have spell everything out for you
Aussies are smart they said, fuck was I the fool
Here's an excellent series of articles about the economy of ISIS:
http://www.ft.com/intl/inside-isis-inc
>>52634843
FT has a paywall, but you can easily bypass it using just Google
>>52634339
http://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2015/12/03/iraqi-kurds-refute-russias-claims-on-turkey-daesh-oil-trade-say-tankers-belong-to-krg
>>52635184
Crude prices are too low, so it's not that profitable for ISIS to export them
Most of that oil is for consumption in Iraq and Syria. Best Syrian oilfields are in the hands of ISIS, but they don't have means to replace obsolete or destroyed technology, hence their production capacity is shrinking
>>52634339
nigga do you know how expensive oil is?
>>52634682
you didn't really explain yourself very well 2bh
in fact that's a complete misuse of the english language when 'a certain methodology you need to follow with these things' or some sort of comment on a process and not a """"hierarchy"""" would have sufficiently communicated the desired meaning across lel
Russians just show some taut liner as a proof to oil trade.
So stupid and pathetic.
>>52635368
These aren't exactly new allegations only made by Russia.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/061e7a83299644868c920bed0667eb9c/despite-us-led-campaign-islamic-state-rakes-oil-earnings
>>52637320
It might be ISIS oil that is getting smuggled, but the people smuggling it are independent of ISIS
They don't care about the source of oil and this represents only insignificant fraction of the profits ISIS gets from their oiloperation
Most of it goes to domestic market and it's hard to adress this because people in Iraq and Syria need oil for their day-to-day existence
>>52637694
Syrian regime operates some power plants jointly with ISIS. They both need energy, Assad has the experts and daesh holds the territory where those plants are
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/92f4e036-6b69-11e5-aca9-d87542bf8673.html
>RT
Now THAT is journalism
1. turks and ruskies have a problem
2. rt reports bad stuff about turks
coincidence of course
>>52634339
because the US supports ISIS
>>52636445
it's because your assumptions were meaningless to begin with
why would tankers on the iraqi border be suddenly the proof that isis is supported by turkey
that's the different between the misuse of english language and the misrepresentation of pictorial data
>>52638903
>>52638768
I never understood why one have to take the source and info-profitable side into consideration while reacting to information.
With that logic you can just reject any news.
>>52634339
RT (and many others) reported about links between Turkish officials in the Southeastern part of Turkey and ISIS.
Turkey is a known active supporter and financier of the FSA. ISIS developed from Al-Nusra, which is part of the FSA. I would without a doubt say that Turkey has supported ISIS in some form or fashion, especially in the days before the West hated it.
What I find sickening is the lack of Western reporting on Turkey bombing the Syrian Kurds on the pretext of fighting ISIS. We always see stories of Russia bombing "moderate" rebels but very few of Turkey bombing the Kurds far more than ISIS.
>>52639205
>Al-Nusra, which is part of the FSA
Why are you lying through your teeth?
>>52634339
Because two reasons:
1. Everyone already knows that
2. No one expects anything better from filthy fucking muds
>>52639205
you, usa, support fsa. we only arm turkmens.
>>52639205
Who the fuck cares what they call themselves, they might just change their name and say they are "moderate" again. Just bomb everything that is anti Assad
>RT
>facts
lol
>>52639277
>In November 2012, they were considered by The Huffington Post to be the best trained and most experienced fighters among the Syrian rebels.[103] According to spokesmen of a moderate wing of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), Nusra had in November 2012 between 6,000 and 10,000 fighters, accounting for 7–9% of the FSA’s total fighters.[51] Commentator David Ignatius for The Washington Post described Nusra then as the most aggressive and successful arm of the FSA.[51] The United States Department of State stated likewise: "From the reports we get from the doctors, most of the injured and dead FSA are Jabhat al-Nusra, due to their courage and [the fact they are] always at the front line".[51]
>>52639277
>The Independent reported that Saudi Arabia and Turkey "are focusing their backing for the Syrian rebels on the combined Jaish al-Fatah, or the Army of Conquest, a command structure for jihadist groups in Syria that includes Jabhat al-Nusra."[204]
>Al-Nusra permits other FSA groups to remain independent so that they can receive TOW missiles from foreign backers and fight alongside Nusra.[205] The Pentagon confirmed US-trained rebels did give weapons to al-Nusra.[206]
>>52634682
>bogan dinger fuckers
>smart
I'd say australians are the least informed posters on int, that's why all they do is shit post
>>52634339
I know right? Iraqi Kurds are basically ISIS, Turkey should not be allowed to buy the Kurds oil! Its much better that they have no money and get overrun by Isis, i completely agree with you, my islamic friend.
>>52639205
>ISIS developed from Al-Nusra
not sure if retarded, you just keep on eating your burgers stay off the internet
>>52639205
i heard that Turkey was attacking kurds, but i didn't understood anything.does Turks are killing the people fighting ISIS?
Fuck turkey, fuck syria, just bomb yourself you fucking arabs and save the rest of us from your retardation.
>>52634339
Same reason why the Saudis are openly sponsoring terrorism and Qataris are practising modern-day slavery, yet the West openly worships both of them as paragons of liberal democracy.
America, the self-appointed leader of the West, literally does not give two fucks about the internal goings on in a nation as long as they get to park all their military equipment in said nation and have their leader spout vaguely pro-American rhetoric. And if America gives a thumbs-up, the rest of the world is desperate to follow suit.
>>52634339
le turkey supporting ISIS is a bare meme that's why
>>52640707
The Iraqi Kurds buy ISIS oil.
Turkey is the main purchaser of that oil so they are financing ISIS.
If the Iraqi Kurds needed financing that bad, why is America bombing ISIS oil facilities alongside Russia? It's the one area we agree on.
>>52640795
>The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the March 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces. Joining other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, it proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in October 2006. In August 2011, following the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War, ISI, under the leadership of al-Baghdadi, delegated a mission into Syria, which under the name Jabhat an-Nuṣrah li-Ahli ash-Shām (or al-Nusra Front) established a large presence in Sunni-majority Al-Raqqah, Idlib, Deir ez-Zor, and Aleppo provinces. The merger of ISI with al-Nusra Front to form the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL), as announced in April 2013 by al-Baghdadi, was however rejected by al-Nusra leader al-Julani and al-Qaeda leader al-Zawahiri, who subsequently cut all ties with ISIL by February 2014.[3][50][51][52]
Hi. ISIS literally is breakaway faction from Al-Nusra who took a bunch of Nusra militants with them during the split.
>>52640945
Turkey deems some Kurds as Terrorist groups and then uses this pretext to bomb all Syrian Kurds. Russia deems most Syrian rebels as terrorists, not moderates, so Russia bombs most if not all of them.
So Russia and Turkey are different sides of the same coin.
Iraqi Kurds sell Turkey a lot of oil so they are not bombed.
>>52641405
just stop retard
>>52641405
>The Iraqi Kurds buy ISIS oil.
everyone buys isis oil in those regions
>Turkey is the main purchaser of that oil so they are financing ISIS.
if you say so
>If the Iraqi Kurds needed financing that bad,
they do, they are at a war if you didnt notice
>why is America bombing ISIS oil facilities alongside Russia?
lel america has done jackshit
>>52638903
1. turkish media decide to report on the blatant support of terrorism by their government
2. journalists get jailed or murdered
Must be a coincidence :^)
>>52641602
Most rebels are actually islamists though. The 'moderate opposition' has a very marginal role in the conflict. Most have defected the islamists in 2014-2015.
>>52641800
>1. turkish media decide to report on the blatant support of terrorism by their government
another overused meme by putindrones. they are repeating it like parrots.
cumhuriyet journalist are in jail bc they reported that MIT is supporting FSA. technically it's not warcrime or supporting terrorism since none of them announced as terrorist in 2013-2014. and even supporting FSA or turkmens ain't legal in turkey without parliaments order.
killing journalists is what putin does best.
you might be kurd though. the idea scares me of. imagine you have one life and literally wasting it by being kurd. poor guy.
Nothing wrong with Turkey's support of ISIS.
ISIS is a necessary evil, and non-retarded entities like Turkey and the US know this and as such, they support ISIS.
It's just that ISIS has gone slightly rogue with the HD videos and bombings in the West.
>>52640795
Al Nusra is Al Quaeda affilate (other name "Al Quaeda in Levant") and ISIS is successor of Al Quaeda in Iraq. They have very close origin.
>Russia, iran and the gulf countries bankrupt themselves fighting
>The us government doesn't give a fuck about isis at all
>>52634339
Because the difference between mainstream western media and russian establishment media is that the Kremlin uses polonium to keep them in order and problem solved, whereas the western establishment uses another variety of whips and baits to keep them in order.
Kurdistan when?
>>52634498
>what did he mean by this
>>>/tv/
>>52634498
He means it is counterproductive to Western propaganda goals.
>>52634339
Because the US created ISIS and is using Turkey as a proxy to continue supporting them because NWO needs more terrorism to justify its creation. Honestly I don't see any other explanation.
>>52642989
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/turkish-mp-who-claimed-sarin-gas-was-delivered-to-isis-in-syria-through-turkey-faces-treason-charges-34293333.html
Now explain this.
>>52634339
Isn't it?
Why would NATO members write bad things about their allies?
>>52634339
Freedom™
If you're a sunni in Syria there's literally no reason why you should support assad over ISIS
>but buh sharia law tyranny!!
They'd much rather be alive and under sharia law than dead in a "free" shithole
>memeposters aren't getting replies
I'm proud of you /int/
