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Here you can learn, study, discuss, teach, and funpost in your favorite languages, natural or conlangs. Vocaroos are fine too.
mi volas mortigi min
>>52564602
tan seme?
>>52565580
Ĉar vivo estas sufero.
Damn Level 0 is really THE introduction to Lojban. I should have started with it, then by this time I would be writing already, albeit with dictionary.
>>52566687
Link?
>>52567911
List of references and the order of reading, right on the official site:
http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%20About%20Lojban#R1
Link to Lojban for Beginners there is dead for some reason, but I grabbed a copy here:
http://www.bgcarlisle.com/blog/2014/09/24/heres-some-materials-for-learning-lojban/
What's wrong with it anyway? Is it no longer recommended?
>>52567911
If you're not patient, you can skip the 'what is Lojban and why it's awesome' part.
>>52568645
>>52568734
.i ki'e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGoxERJqQw
I always felt a language or a dialect has the same features/stereotypes as those who speak it.
Like French is soft, loving, artsy and to some gay, just like French people are viewed as.
German is loud, hard and mostly follows the rules, just like Germans.
Are there any other languages where this is or isn't true?
>>52570862
What is the stereotype of English?
Where is everyone?
>>52570976
I don't know about that. But I think english is a very to the point and spontaneous language.
>>52572513
I find Esperanto to have a very Old World, pan-European feeling. It seems very joyful.
>>52572418
mi lon la mi tawa sewi lili e linja sina.
tenpo ni la mi li lon ala la mi lape.
>>52564602
Eĉ tiu, ke vi havas longan kucenon, ne savas vin de pensaĵoj pri se mortiĝi... Ekdrinku bieron kaj aŭskultu vian aman muzikon, kolego!
Welcome back, Russians!
>>52573962
>tenpo ni la mi li lon ala la mi lape.
>mi li
... yes.
>>52574937
Uhm, hi :) How's it going?
>>52574999
You need to go to >>>/trv/ because those are some nice trips.
>/trv/
>So I'm the classic 18yr old, post hs wanna do something epic with my life story
>join isis
Nice tips! You want to visit a counry soon, don't you?
Now I'm thinking of traiman career, maybe it's a qt good chance to travel East or to any sea this summer. Since I broke up an idea of stydying at uni for this time.
>>52575123
>>52575587
//Time to wake up a lil dawgy and to serve for it.
>Merchant Marine
Hmmm.
>>>/trv/1061838
>>52570862
Spanish sounds incredibly fast, and we see spaniards as being constantly in a hurry
European Portuguese sounds very slurred, they seem to speak with their teeth. Stereotypically portuguese people are dumb and unfriendly
Russian sounds strong and harsh, just like we see russians
Native American languages sound stupid and slow, and here we see the stereotypical native just like that, stupid and slow
Damn, i never noticed how a language's features and their speakers' stereotypes are similar, that's interesting
>>52570976
Well, for us brazilians, English sounds slurred and dumb. We mostly notice the sounds that aren't common in our language, so English sounds like "rwathurwrw wrethatherr rrwarthrwrth". We see americans as dumb and fat Tbh :3
>>52577660
What about Toki Pona? :3
>>52577740
I have no idea what Toki Pona is m8
>>52577803
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Toki+Pona
>>52577838
Shieeet, that's really interesting. I'll see if i can learn it
>>52578447
pona! :D
>>52578447
Ofc you can, join our little kulupu :j
>>52578958
You should join this kulupu.
https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=conlang;f9e149ed.1512d
Lojüdumomuromöjutüdödama!
Iyьйpe дикa йoйлa
>>52580598
What?
>>52580711
Good morning
>>52580733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36rrhOTzEo
>>52580829
Myхa дy гIyллaкхaш?
How are you?
>>52580853
Mi fartas bone. (I fare well.)
.i do mo (And you?)
>>52580906
Дикa дy, бapкaллa
Fine, thanks.
>>52580598
Лoл'д :D
There's lot of ergative languages in Caucasus btw. But I'm too lazy to start learning any, even it's sort of... studing native American langs, dunno, here's many guys from Dagestan and so on in Moscow, but I don't think they would share my lingvistic interests.
>>52579210
>Bear is responsible for '''pedagogy'''
You know what bear I'm thinking of :b
I'll make my coffee and read it all.
Why do Russians struggle with the word "the"?
>>52581026
Cool! Are you Russian?
It's unfortunately very hard to find materials in English for studying languages like Chechen and Tuvan. I might have to start studying Russian tбh
>>52580944
.i ko mi zo'e tavla la'o ty. toki pona .ty.
(Talk to me about it in Toki Pona.)
>>52581103
We don't have articles in russian. "Car moves directly to house".
But sometimes we uses words such "one" as in "one/a man (was walking down the street)" and "this/that" for "the", etc.
>>52580284
Ĉö Rüŝoĉojü ju paĉí ja tüjümola... ;)
>>52581142
>Tuvan
Is it you, mr. Feynman? (I would say those Tuva guys are crazy ones; mi jan utala la folks from Altay region told me about their agressive moods and closiness; clique of those usually dont speak russian even when they serve to the state as privatees)
>Chechen
Tonns docs in russian. Didnt inerested though.
>>52581316
>Tonns of literature
>>52581152
>zo'e
sina sona ala sona e tan ni: telo leto li kama ala?
>>52581221
>the articles
>we uses
Another sleepless night :0
Shame on me.
>>52581359
>sina sona ala sona e tan ni: telo leto li kama ala?
Can I get a translation?
It looks like you said, "You ___ all ___ it: __ __ come all" ?
Dagestan is sort of /lang dweller paradise.
Tired of one language, go to the next village, they have a completely different one, not just a dialect. If you don't get killed or kidnapped or die of Derbent brandy poisoning that is.
>>52581421
Kind of:
Do you know the reason of this: snow doesn't come?
>>52581103
Articles are not that bad tbqdesu. Conditionals are nightmare.
>>52581462
>Dagestan
>Official languages: Russian; Aghul, Avar, Azerbaijani, Chechen, Dargwa, Kumyk, Lezgian, Lak, Nogai, Rutul, Tabasaran, Tat, Tsakhur
wew
>>52581462
Where are you from?
>>52581507
Moscow. Well Penza, but Moscow :3
>>52581486
W Á R M I Ŋ
G L O B Á L
>>52581531
tenpo lete li lete ala la ni li pona tawa mi ;)
>>52581527
Studying somewhere, lojylover? a a a!
>>52581580
Dude I learning something new every day desu, but I'm done with education. :3
>>52581580
o unpa e lete! seli li pona.
>>52581614
>smth new every day
Meняeшь языки кaк пepчaтки (кeк). Or uou've meant you learn smth new about lojban? Btw ha
ve looked for la .gleki. on Googlemaps, he's living near by the Aviamtornaya station or somewhat.
>>52581644
>OP pic
a... ken la soweli en waso li pilin ike tan ni. mi sona e ni: tenpo pini la tomo soweli la soweli suli li pilin ike tan seli pi tenpo lete.
>>52581728
(the first sentence was supposed to be a question)
>>52581728
No, it's what strange to me about this thread. Let's learn this, let's learn that, gee.
One day I study gnuplot, next day I'm figuring out nested virtualization with ESXi then some Hadoop shit. No routine for me desu.
Speaking of Lojban. Do you have a stackexchange account? Please support the proposal: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/83133/lojban-language
>>52582048
Also, join us on reddit.com/r/Lojban and #Lojban on Twitter.
>>52582048
I'm in!
>>52582098
Google+ also. //Who uses it except of Androidtards, lol
.i mi sipna
.i co'o do
>>52582470
tawa pona, sina o.
Is there a way I can get a physical copy of the PMEG?
tenpo ni la jan ala li lon.
sina lukin e pimeja ale.
o kalama! ni taso li kon.
jan mi o, sina kute e ala.
Since there are a lot of Russkies here thought I might as well post some little Crimean althistory projetiko where Crimean Gothic survives into the present as the current first language of the region which I cobbled together from some other guy's ideas before the whole Euromaiden stinkup.
Basically what I did was
1) took this guy's reconstruction of Crimean Gothic here:
http://reocities.com/Athens/Crete/4060/gothic.htm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4-qv8RO6jO_ZjZhdWdaTk5DNjA/view?pref=2&pli=1
2) Rendered it into the modernized Gothic script of this guy
http://robert-pfeffer.net/schriftarten/englisch/ulfilas.html
http://robert-pfeffer.net/schriftarten/englisch/skeirs.html
And integrated some 1)'s demographic & cultural ideas with 3)'s general scenario
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=144981
Added some ideas of my own in order to try to make it more coherent as well as filling in some lexical gaps & some template designs but overall it's shamelessly unoriginal.
>>52583308
Ernst Mikhail Shternmiler (b. 1784 in Kharkov, d. 1856 in St Petersburg) was the son of a prominent Russian jurist of German descent. Born to privilege, he studied law at Moscow and St Petersburg and the Classics and History at Marburg before entering the civil service. On his posting to Kertch, he first encountered the Crimean Gothic language and took an interest. In 1814, he began a long and fruitful correspondence with his university friend Jacob Grimm on his observations and recordings that led to several publications in learned journals and eventually, the 1823 "Beiträge zur Grammatik der Krim-deutschen Sprache". By this time, Shternmiler was actively researching the folk traditions of the Crimean Goths and in 1829 found a St Petersburg publisher for his Crimean Gothic fairy tales, originally as "Contes des Fees de la Crimee Gothique", but translated by the author into Russian and a heavily annotated German edition by 1832. The success of this book got the provincial magistrate noticed at the court, and he received a salaried position in St Petersburg in the following year, being elected to the Russian Academy in 1839.
>>52583376
Being a competent liguist and romantic, Shternmiler identified Crimean Gothic (or, as he referred to it - Krim-Deutsch) as an East Germanic language and during his lengthy excursions into the countryside sought to unearth the earliest layers of its identity before it was invaded by West Germanic loan words and patterns brought in by German settlers. In the process, he created a historical panorama of the Gothic peoples of the Crimea as a proto-Rurikid dynasty, a foreshadowing of the later Russian princes and historical heritage for the current regime to base its claim to the formerly Ottoman territory on. Archeology, another interest of Shternmiler in his old age, continued to supply evidence of Gothic presence in Southern Russia, boosting the historical legend and shaping a generation of eager scholars that descended on the Crimea to record dialects, document folk tales and customs, collect art and in the process create an intellectual identity of the 'Crimean Gothic' population. In 1852, Crimean Gothic became a formal part of the philological curriculum in Göttingen, where the ageing Shternmiler, doyen of the field, received a hero's welcome by the student corporations. The following year, Shternmiler's chair at St Petersburg was expanded into an institute with a total of four professors (Germanic history, law and senior and associate professor of philology) and chairs of Germanic philology dedicated to the study of the Goths were established, at Kharkov and Kasan, all going to the old professor's star students.
>>52583408
Fast forward to 1917: a growing elite of educated young Crimean Gothic speakers has created an eloquent and forceful national sentiment that encompasses many Crimeans and Ukrainians now rediscovering their Gothic roots. Crimean Goth nationalists strongly identify with the Czarist regime as "loyal hearthmen to their Rurikid lord" (as the anticicising banner of the Odessa volunteer regiment reads in Runic). However, the anti-German sentiment of the war and the upheaval that followed revolution has made many long to form their own state. Throwing in their lot with the Whites, tens of thousands of Crimean Goth volunteers and bourgeois are evacuated with their families, most eventually settling in Canada and the Central United States. The Soviet government initially treats the remaining Crimean Goths well, as they are regarded as an agricultural 'peasant people' antithetical to the monarchist and backwards Cossacks. The Stalinistera sees the deportation of practically the entire population to Kazakhstan as potential collaborators with the German invader. They are not allowed to return home until the 1960s. Meanwhile, Crimean gothic studies remains a fertile, though highly politicised field at German (later West German) universities. Experts begin collaborating with Soviet universities and institutions in ther late 1960s to fund a new round of excavations in the area.
>>52583429
Following the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian nationalismheavily emphasised the Gothic element in its history, embracing Crimean Gothic language and culture as part of its heritage and distinctly non-Russian. Exchange students to West Germany return to well-funded research positions, the language becomes a fashionable choice in schools, and popular culture embraces it as a status-forming identity. Money from expartiate communities in America and from German authorities eager to assuage the disappointment of Crimean Goths being denied the coveted 'Aussiedler' status creates a sense of importance and affluence during the 1990s.
Today, Crimean Gothic is spoken (more or less) by an estimated 125,000 people in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Russia and Kyrgyzstan that descend from original deportees, 120,000 Canadians and Americans (most of whom probably do not know more than a few sentences) and approximately 2,800,000 in Ukraine, many of whom likely claimed that status in order to receive German aid and community support during the 1990s and early 2000s. Nonetheless, linguists in the field believe that anywehere between 200,000 and 500,000 genuine native speakers exist, and the language is used in daily communication in communities of up to 1 million people. The Ukraininan government regards Crimean Gothic as a useful tool in countering ethnic Russian influence and actively supports its use through radio and TV stations, subsidised newspapers and favoured treatment for Gothic communities in the Southeastern parts of the country. Gothic speakers from Russia are permitted to 'return' under a 2005 policy strongly condemned by Vladimir Putin, briefly revoked in early 2007 but reinstated the following year.
Wer /lerneDeutsch/ hier? Warum ist es so schlecht?
No matter what I do I cannot remember cases and pronouns. I can read at about the level of a 12 year old but I can speak at the level of a 5 year old. I've been using books, movies/shows, and various internet resources. My language gains are minimal and I feel like I plateau every week. I downloaded Michel Thomas's thing the other day and I'll give that a whirl since everyone likes it it seems.
Any tips?
>>52583452
Gothic flag design is my own based the colours of the Codex Argenteus, the chief source for our knowledge the ancient Gothic language.
>>52583549
I'm a mongrel of nigger, Canadian, Polish & Ukrainian descent btw.
>>52583452
>sitelen ni
a! tenpo pi pilin pona li lon.
But it's an interesting idea: "what if". Crimea's own history is very complicated, thus in real life the whole world would look different if goths didn't lost their cultural influence on the Crimeans.
>>52583784
Not too sure myself if such a small out-of-the-way place like Crimea being radically altered ethnically would necessarily skew the course of history the world over, but it's a pretty common theme in those "what-ifs", like the Ill Bethisad project for example. I myself have been working on something since about grade 6 along similar lines except I'm "adding" fictional countries and cultures alongside the ones we all know rather then wiping the slate of pre-existing nations and altering the course of history. The vast majority of my languages in that project are a posteriori, most imaginate additions to real-world language families & branches, though some are continuations of specific languages that whose ultimate demise was a somewhat tragic waste of potential additional diversity to modern humanity. That latter sentiment is a common theme in my work which I apply more consistently in the case of religions & writing systems. This is an old (at thispoint probably out-of-date) scan of just one of the languages de akel ovraje kodja miyo.
>>52584014
But on the more conventional side, this guy has some neat projects, the most intriguing and elaborate being his "reimagining" of the language of the medieval Principality of Novogorod into Novegradian, its fictional modern descendant and the sole living representative of the enigmatic fourth "North" branch of the Slavic family.
http://www.veche.net/
>tfw thought the esperanto word for apple was porno until now because the PDF I was using fucked up the spelling of shit a lot.
>>52584478
>learning a meem language
>>52584532
so memey they put a paradigm when they could have just said the verb stays the same for all subjects.
>>52581499
Conditionals? As in if-then statements? How do you not have conditionals in your languages? Is there no study of logic in Russian?
>>52584685
Why, we have.
I mean picrelated.
![corps02_blank[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uonvEgl.jpg "corps02_blank[1].jpg")
As far as international auxiliary languages, I'm partial to Sambahsa. It's essentially a simplified, modernized & cosmopolitanized modification of Proto-Indo-European, the ultimate ancestor of the languages spoken by the majority of people on this planet. However, it comes down to being roughly as grammatically complex as Dutch, which is rather much for an IAL. But if you whittled that down to the point that it was as analytic as Afrikaans, I'd think you'd definitely have something.
>>52585121
Why is the FSF gnu there?
>>52585164
I'm guessing cuz that they're the server host for the language's homepage?
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/
>>52584685
If I had a problem with conditionals, I wouldn't write it. But:
>Is there no study of logic in Russian?
I think it depends more on tradition of the english grammar, not "logic".
Here's Wikipedia to the rescue:
"In Russian, the conditional mood is formed by the past tense of the verb with the particle бы by, which usually follows the verb. For example:
Я хoтeл пeть (ja khotél pet') ("I wanted to sing")
Я хoтeл бы пeть (ja khotél by pet') ("I would like, literally would want, to sing")"
So,
I.
(Ecли б) пeл - пoплaтилcя бы.
(If) (someone) sang - (he) would paid. (literally)
II.
But I've noticed that
Я cпoю - и вы зacмeётecь.
Future Perfect - Future Perfect
Ecли я бeгy - ты ждёшь.
Present Simple - Present Simple
Semanticly the I. case (on what Wikipidea is talking about) is close to low/high possibility, the II. - to high possibility only.
>>52585121
Why does it have four case system if it is simplified? Isn't it better to use none or use seven case system as in PIE?..
Well, maybe it's a stupid question, since it's art.
>52585684
Yeah it's pretty evident that the author is trying to precariously balance turning a prehistoric language into a viable, practical lingua franca with making it aesthetically pleasing and a diachronically plausible offshoot to artlanging & hisorical linguist types respectively.
My personal top contender for an IAL is a completely ignored project which proposed combining lexica from one of half a dozen or so of top world languages for each part-of-speech category with a analytical Standard Average world language grammar.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120205054622/http://www.langmaker.com/outpost/dunia.htm
Umm, british accent rate? lol
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1swKrqR2aTQ
>>52586420
are you twelve?
>>52586016
Hm... if it pretends to be an IAL, the only problems I see are phonetics and word origin (it'sso artificial to add mechanicly nouns from one language, adjectives - from another). But I like the idea, sort of lojban mixed with tokipona.
I am currently in the process of learning german and I was thinking of second language to learn.
I have the option to build on my french which I was taught during school, or learning Spanish, Mandarin chinese or Russian. What do you guys think?
>>52586592
N-no :/
>>52586420
ساوندز ليجت
>>52586680
Go for it m8ie ^_<
I'm also learning german atm and took french and spanish at school.-.
Imo Spanish wouldn't be that useful if you don't live in America
>>52586741
O-ogai .-.
>>52586420
"Freshish" people :}
I've heard just a one non-british thing: do you soften consonants "t" in "don't" and "f" in "fake"?
>>52586592
I just assumed it was a cumdumpster. That likely being the case...
>>52586695
Pretty good accent m8 tho as a Canuck I ain't the best judge, sounds like reasonable Estuary to me.
Hamitic tits or gtfo
>>52586420
not bad
How long does it take to get fluent in Esperanto?
>>52587061
study a non meme language instead.
>>52587061
>>52587144
Like toki pona! A week and you're in the club.
sina sona la sina ken unpa e mama ale li ken ala unpa e mama sina tan ni: mi unpa e mama sina.
>>52586805
Ya, I try my best to soften them along with my R's as well haha ))
>>52587004
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WE6MlaCsCd
>>52587144
Like Volapük?
