With tomorrow's upcoming referendum to determine whether or not same sex couples should have the same marital rights as heterosexual couples - the query here in particular being adoption - I find myself at a crossroads between voting in favour or against.
I did some research, and found that child abuse is more likely to occur in the care of two same sex parents, although the research was primarily done in the States - I couldn't find any that looked into the relation between pedophilia and homosexuality, and related to Slovenia specifically. But, given my country's relatively low population, and an even lower population of gays and lesbians, I'm asking whether or not the statistics should be negated. That, whether or not I should allow the potential child abuse by the already few, just for the sake of those same sex couples that don't want a child, but - I feel - should have a right to the same benefits and privileges as straight couples.
How will the rest of you be voting?
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There's only 1 correct answer. Don't dissapoint us, Slovenia.
>>52360481
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>>52360481
Against. Fuck these manipulative faggot politicians and their smokescreens.
Pic related was lately in Delo about how she's a non-binary genderfluid and bullshit. Don't fall for this american identity politics. These are the people who want to adopt kids and they sure as fuck aren't normal.
The media (owned by foreign western corporations) is in full damage control already posting shit like "mostly rural uneducated people are against" and "educated young people are for it".
>>52361240
t. rural uneducated bydlo
Gay people can adopt children even if they are not married. It's the same shit they pulled over here trying to make it about children. I voted yes and I have seen less gays if anything.
>>52361240
>t. whatever a redneck is called in your irrelevant country
>>52361373
Nor I. I've only seen two, and they're good family friends of ours. This will also be my first chance at voting, so I feel obligated to go, and leave with, at least, a moderately clean conscience.
>>52361294
I'd rather be an uneducated rural bydlo than a hipster "urban" fag with a useless degree from FDV wearing tight orange pants and acting like a fag. At least rural people are honest, hard working and hospitable as long as you don't pretend you're a special snowflake demanding to be treated specialy..
It's also funny how most poll's show the majority of people are against it, yet somehow the majority of the population is not rural.
>>52361373
It's the fags that made it about Children and how they have a "right" to adopt kids. Without that clause in the law it would most likely have passed.
Besides that they already have civil unions which are practically the same as marriages but that's not enough, no no no, you have to push it into people's faces and stick it to the church. Then you wonder why no one likes you.
>>52361485
t. fag
>>52361511
>t. fag
Nice refutation, but do you have any credible sources to substantiate your flawed claims?
>>52361578
Do you? Oh, I forgot, it's 2015, how dare someone have different opinions to faggots like you.
>>52361606
You honestly cannot fabricate such a situation.
How can someone with access to the internet not be able to acquire any sort of evidence, biased or not, to support what they are saying? It's quite astonishing to be called a faggot when I'm pointing out someone's lack of sources in an argument. I have literally claimed nothing, which means I have no need for a source.
But you probably don't understand half the words I just typed because you're from some Russian vassal state.
>>52361699
>calls anyone who disagrees with his view of the world as a redneck
>gets mad over being a fag and demands evidence of his faggotry
There it is, in your posts, rather glaring really.
You should vote yes to shut the gay pride types up
Voting no will only make them more annoying
>>52360481
Vote no or you will end up like us and the Americans. The faggot lobby never knows when to stop.
>>52361843
>claims anything related to "identity" is american politics
>claims that every person who wants to adopt a kid is a tumblr-core degenerate
>claims the media is owned by the west
>provides not one shred of evidence
>is provoked and somehow shocked when I call him a redneck for being anti-establishment and anti-gay
>calls anyone who disagrees with his view of the world a faggot
>gets mad over someone pointing out their lack of evidence
>throws out the word fag again
Explain to me how you aren't an uneducated redneck.
>>52361853
That's a rather slothful attitude. It might, until >>52361958
>>52360481
well you are already gay as fuck,idk why shouldnt you vote for homo rights
>>52361511
The same happened here in the US, allowing them to adopt. After seeing all these special snowflakes (both the tumblr kind and special snowflake kind that infest universities), I hope the law doesn't pass in your country, slovenian bro. The faggots have the 2nd largest lobby in the US.
>>52362041
Half of this is just the average 4chan poster faggot.
>>52362143
>>52360481
Yes to gay marriage.
No to lesbian marriage.
>>52362165
The grounds that I'm not fresh from reddit.
>>52361240
But it's true, people in non-stem majors get told to vote yes and jože and marija get told to vote no by the father franc while he shakes his basket 6waiting for shekels, but the funny thing is that father franc also says that evolution isn't real because monkey would be giving birth to humans.
>>52362041
>claims anything related to "identity" is american politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
Originating in the US
>claims that every person who wants to adopt a kid is a tumblr-core degenerate
Never said this. Nice straw man faggot. I said people like this since it was literally and interview with her.
>>claims the media is owned by the west
www.24ur.com the most visited and popular news show as well as website in Slovenia (among other channels and medias)
Owned by Pro Plus which is in turn owned by Central European Media Enterprises which is in turn owned by Time Warner which controls 75% of the shares.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Plus_(company)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_European_Media_Enterprises
Fuck off faggot.
>>52360481
>I did some research, and found that child abuse is more likely to occur in the care of two same sex parents, although the research was primarily done in the States - I couldn't find any that looked into the relation between pedophilia and homosexuality, and related to Slovenia specifically
There isn't any higher chance of pedophilia for homosexual couples actually. The USA part is explainable as they somehow already have a higher rate of pedophilia cases somehow - or at least they get a wider medial attention/get caught more often.
>But, given my country's relatively low population, and an even lower population of gays and lesbians, I'm asking whether or not the statistics should be negated.
Well, the percentage of homosexual people remains the same in about every population. Western countries are just more emancipated in general, and many gays wouldn't dare say loud what they are in countries lie Uganda, Korea or, to a lesser degree, Slovenia in this case.
>That, whether or not I should allow the potential child abuse by the already few, just for the sake of those same sex couples that don't want a child, but - I feel - should have a right to the same benefits and privileges as straight couples.
My personal opinion on it is that there's not a real difference in possible child abuse. Also if your country does it right people who have issues in their head (now it depends if you consider homosexuality a mental disorder or not, I for one don't) won't be able to adopt or take care of children anyway.
>>52362393
Fuck off redneck.
Hehe jebite pedere slovenci
>>52362354
>But it's true, people in non-stem majors get told to vote yes
Yeah, guess which people are going to vote "yes" most commonly according to polls and what party they voted for.
Pro tip, it's ZL (Združena Levica), literal communists that use fists to greet each other and use the word "comrade"
>but the funny thing is that father franc also says that evolution isn't real because monkey
Nice, could you perhaps make up some more stories? Do you even believe what you're saying by the way? The Catholic church is not anti-evolution. Consume less american media and don't assume their christians have anything to do with catholics.
>>52362447
Fuck off Amerilard faggot.
ITS
>>52362522
like 12 years ago a minister or whatever the fuck he's called said the same thing, so shill more christ fag
>>52362615
>literally brings up american christfag argument thinking it pertains to the Catholic church
>accuses others of shilling.
>>52362712
no, I was with my friends, they all went to the thing where the minister gropes you for years and then you complete obhajila and get money from your relatives. That's where I heard it 12 years ago.
>>52362168
Based,
Men Pride Worldwide!
>>52362444
I mainly went by this:
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
I should've looked at other sources for reference, but it's hard to discern between propaganda/fabricated studies and what's genuine.
Thanks, though.
Mind posting a source where you got yours from?
>>52362809
>the priests are child molestors meme
Meanwhile in real life the molestation cases are higher with school teachers and close family members.
But don't mind that. Bash the evil church instead.
>>52362522
>stories
A big part of my family is somewhat religious and constantly goes to mass.
What happened (for example) was that they had the petition for the referendum at the oltar and when folks went up to "recieve the body of the christ" they asked them to also sign the petition.
Between confused old ladies, peer pressure and priest pressure, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with that :^)
>>52360481
1.) fags already can into Rejništvo anyway
2.) There are about 500 parents waiting for adoption and about 11 adoptions are granted each year
3.) Even if it becomes legal for faggots to adopt, there's still the main "chockepoint", which is the actual social services that determine whether a couple is fit for adoption, it's really REALLY hard to adopt a kid
4.) There's usually about 5% of faggots in a population. Out of those, you'll probably only have a certain part that want a baby. Combine this with point 2 to see how negligible the whole debate is.
>>52360481
Hey OP, kid who was raised by gay parents here. I have two brothers, and we were all raised by two lesbian mothers (with our dads completely out of the picture). Granted this is all anecdotal, but more or less feel the need to reply.
About child abuse, I never was molested, but I almost was. My parents had a very close family friend who was also gay. We stayed over at his house and he baby sat us dozens of times when we were young (Me 3 years old - 7 years old). He was later convicted of molesting teenage boys. Had he not been caught, me or my brothers definitely would have been molested. So I personally do believe that statistic that child abuse is more prevalent in the gay community.
But I'm not opposed to gay couples adopting because of that. I believe I'd be more of a man if I had a strong male figure in my life. I genuinely did not fucking know foreskin was meant to pull back until I was 18, thank fuck I fixed my phimosis over 2 years before it was too late. Icbf going into all my problems, but I think a large part of it was being cuddled and never having a strong male figure in my life. That said, my brothers are both chads so maybe I'm just pushing the blame on someone else.
>>52363131
>lack of male figure
>I genuinely did not fucking know foreskin was meant to pull back until I was 18, thank fuck I fixed my phimosis over 2 years before it was too late.
This must be an anglo thing though?
With me (and most slovenes, as far as I gather), mothers generally concern themselves with all aspects of a kids health/body/growing up pains, at least until teenage years, when it becomes awkward.
>>52363266
did your mom teach you how to masturbate m8
that seems like a slav thing to do considering 90% of incest porn is from russia
>>52363326
It was actually your mother in JOI videos, but I stopped watching her when I found a vid of her getting gangbanged by niggers behind KFC, it was not the BBC that put me off, but it was the first time her whole body was in the camera because they were shooting the flick from 50 meters away
>>52363326
And what, in usa a father teaches his son to masturbate?
Don't be a retard, it's not my fault you have issues because of your genital mutilation.
The pulling back of foreskin is an activity that is done while pissing or cleaning oneself, something a parent teaches his child, just like how they teach you to brush your teeth and wipe your ass and so on and so on.
>>52363419
>this passes as banter in russia's retarded cousin country
Daily reminder that pedophillia and homosexuality are equal as far as disorders go. I'm not saying the acts are the same, but they are both sexual disorders.
It's just that one is now socially acceptable and the other is not.
>>52363438
>and so on and so on.
>*sniffs"
>>52363545
>>It's just that one is now socially acceptable and the other is not.
probably because one is between two consenting adults.
>>52363501
is that supposed to be a picture of an average yank? I find you """"people"""" more blobby than blocky, but you did nail the color, be it a white american shitting himself or your president.
>>52363545
sadism, masochism, voyeurism and exhibitionism are also paraphilias
just saying
>>52363683
>tfw I can't even identify your irrelevant country's flag and I'm too important to mouse over the flag to figure out which eastern european shithole it is
whatever you say, russia-lite.
>>52363579
That doesn't matter idiot. Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent. You can be a homosexual and die a virgin. We're talking about your sexual orientation.
They're equal in that regard that they're both sexual disorders. No one chooses to be gay the same way no one chooses to be a peadophile. However, that being said, I have yet to see anyone no crazy call pedophilles normal. One is accepted as "normal" and the other is somehow a mental disorder.
Double standards and all that.
I won't even bring up the fact that in some countries even depicting child like drawings in sexualized contexts is illegal despite not involving any children no requiring consent.
>>52363818
Sorry for the typos and missing characters. It's a bitch typing with this.
>>52363818
It's precisely because of the stigma of non consent.
As I've said, something like sado-masochism is a paraphilia yet there's no one out there calling for ban on people like that to be able to adopt children.
That's because BDSM is also commonly practised between two consenting adults, just like buggery.
Pedophilia, on the other hand, exclusively incorporates at least one person we deem unable to consent.
>>52363778
I know you're roleplaying as your country, because it's hard to roleplay as one of your people
>Let's get rolling Cletus, momma said she seen bigfoot again
>>tfw I can't even identify your irrelevant country's flag
yet you can track that you are 1/256 insert muh heritage here
>>52363818
It's pretty simple you dumb fuck: Homosexuality is a sexual orientation (the gender of what you want to fuck). Pedophilia is a sexual preference (what else makes you to want to fuck).
Having sex with children is wrong because of many reasons. But there is nothing that speaks against the sex of two men.
In regards to the Homosexuality is a disorder party: whether or not I disagree with you, I would ask you to consider whether criminalization and illegalization are effective means to deal with mentally disable persons.
Could you not approach this differently and in a way that would be more effective than saying 'You cannot marry', or 'you cannot have sex (legally)'. People will still have relationships like this.
>>52363981
>It's precisely because of the stigma of non consent.
>Pedophilia, on the other hand, exclusively incorporates at least one person we deem unable to consent.
But that's not true. You're a peadophille if you find pre-pubescent kids attractive. You don't have to touch kids at any point in your life time to actually be a peadophille.
Furthermore you can always fap or sexualize drawing of children and thus are not harming anyone nor do you require consent from anyone yet it's still considered abnormal and will, in a lot of cases, land you in jail.
You can't explain that without using double standards.
>>52364117
You're an idiot. Gay people don't want to fuck other men solely based because they're other men. The same way I don't want to fuck women because they're women, I only want to fuck young good looking women not old, ugly or fat women. Does that make me without a sexual orientation and only a "sexual preference"?.
Ignoring that the fact pedophilles have different preferences as well and might prefer little girls or boys only and not children as a group.
>>52364256
>>You can't explain that without using double standards.
yes you can you retard
it's called consent
>>52364256
>You're an idiot.
I think you are misinterpreting what they meant. You have prefferences, (what you define as making a person attractive), and then you have orientation (gender/sex prefferences). 'Gay', is a sexual orientation, pedophilia is a preference, under that defention.
>>52363131
I don't think you woulda known about the foreskin thing even if you had a dad, I have one and I didn't learn anything about my body from him
>>52364300
Are you fucking retarded you fat piece of shit? Read my posts imbecile.
What consent do I need to draw a picture of a little kid and then fap to it? Who needs to consent? The drawn character I just drew?
>You're a peadophille if you find pre-pubescent kids attractive. You don't have to touch kids at any point in your life time to actually be a peadophille.
>Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent. You can be a homosexual and die a virgin. We're talking about your sexual orientation.
>>52364256
That doesn't make any sense.
You want to fuck women. It doesn't matter if you only want to fuck young, good looking women, because the fact that you just like girls makes you heterosexual. Your sexual orientation is straight. A man who only likes men is homosexual, his sexual orientation is gay. It's not like you can ONLY have a sexual orientation OR sexual preferences, you have both.
>>52364256
What the fuck are you on about anyway?
In regards to social acceptability, it's literally the double standard of consent.
And do you really think anyone here would unironically propose that pedophiles should be allowed to marry children and adopt children?
>>52363131
That sounds rather interesting. I would hesitate to beleive in that statistic from only your anecdote, but I appreciate seeing it.
(also, as for the whole foreskin thing, my father who was present for most of my childhood, never noted it).
>>52364472
is liking traps a sexual identity or a sexual preference
>>52364611
depends on the femininity of the penis
>>52360481
In earnest, it probabbly isn't wise to advocate for same sex parents since children need both a mother and a father
Marriage? Sure, adoption, nah, children should not be brought into this kind of thing.
>>52364381
>>52364472
>twisting definitions and applying them selectively and with different rigour
>ignoring the main point
> pedophilia is a preference, under that defention.
You can be a peadophile and only attracted to male or female kids. It's that simple really.
> It's not like you can ONLY have a sexual orientation OR sexual preferences, you have both.
Goes the same for peodphilles. They can ONLY target females making them straight by that definition. Either way you're going beyond the point which is BOTH are sexual disorders.
BY THE WAY, according to the literal definition sexual preference can be, and is, synonymous with sexual orientation.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual-preference
>>52364522
>In regards to social acceptability, it's literally the double standard of consent.
Read. My. Posts.
A pedophille that never touched a kid and a gay that never touched a male have equally sexual disorders. You are abnormal if a peadophile and normal if gay. There's no consent involved in this scenario.
Now tell me why pedophilles should not be allowed access to kiddie porn that does not involve actual kids.
>>52364933
fucking christ go jackoff to drawn kiddie porn already, nobody gives a fuck
we get it, you're a pedophile
For. Don't you like freedom?
>>52364933
I still don't understand what you're trying to say.
Initially you ranted about social acceptability.
Regarding all paraphilias, it's always about consent.
Tranvestism and exhibitionism aren't really frowned upon as much as frotteurism and pedophilia. Notice the distinction of consent.
It doesn't matter if you're a frottheurist who has never rubbed his dick on a lady or an exhibitionist who has never undressed in public.
People don't care what goes on in your mind (generally), but they do care how it affects them and others around them
That's why it's about consent.
In regards to kiddie porn, it's more of a wide blanket measure of the law in regards to battling actual exploitation of kids in porn and so on.
It's not as if there's some massive public strive towards banning kid hentai or whatever, it's more of the fact how the law tries to deal with the issue.
I'm sorry, I'm sure you're mad that you can't freely fap to lolis and generally I'd support your plea, but you don't need to bash fags because of it.
>>52365046
Just leave the thread faggot.
>>52360481
why not
>>52364787
>since children need both a mother and a father
I guess all countries should also legally require single parents to marry? I know a number of seemingly well ajdusted children from single parent families, but I have to reconsider now: the must be crazy mass murders, or something, you know.
>>52364933
To the first part:
OK. I think we understand eachother about defenitions. Regardless of what the dictionary reference suggests, I think it seems a reasonable line to draw between what we have been calling 'orientation', and 'preference'. To me these seem like they are often treated differently by most people--you would be happy to have a girlfreind with dark hair if otherwise she was attractive, though you generally preffer a lighter colour. Most straight people would not date a boy where being male was the only detail that made them unattractive.
In this case, I am not sure. I tend to think that distribution of cp, and consumption or whatever of it, is acceptable, the issue that really matters to define the difference between gay and pedophile, is, as we have been saying, consent.
If there is no consent (or rather no lack of consent), then both are fine.
A pedophile becomes a problem when they begin sexual relations with minors, not neccisarily from simply their prefference, but from their inability to control it.
(you should go to jail too, if you try to have sex, straight or otherwise, without consent)
>Gay
>Want to have kids, one boy and one girl
>Afraid one will be gay
>>52365462
>I guess all countries should also legally require single parents to marry? I know a number of seemingly well ajdusted children from single parent families, but I have to reconsider now: the must be crazy mass murders, or something, you know.
single parenting is linked to many negative things such as poverty, teen pregnancy, high crime rate, higher rates of obesity and mental illnesses, etc
>>52365612
Now, I'm not saying it's the case, but I could easily see how a study about single parent effect on children could fail to take into account that single parents are more likely to come from a poor economic environment anyway and that would account for all those factors aside from mental illness.
>>52365612
I would be interested to see a refference for this, if you have one, otherwise I might look out of interest (I do not want to be argumentative).
My assumtion would be that quite likely a higher proportion of single parents are economically distavantaged from the start, and some of those traits might not be attributed (exclusivley at least) to single parenting but to poverty itself, of which single parenting is also a symptom.
How about polygamy?
Or you fear as bears Gummi?
So much care about perverts,
Seems you often receive black american cents.
At first you should allow traditional polygamy,
and only later you should discuss about the law for support of perverts.
>>52365388
You need to differentiate between actions and what's in the head.
You can't cherry pick sexual disorders and claim one is normal while the other is not. Neither can you cherry pick what's a mental issue and what is not. If one sexual disorder is a mental issue so is the other one. Social perception of them currently should not matter at all since social perceptions change.
>but they do care how it affects them and others around them
How does fapping to lolis (in this example) affect others again? Isn't the gay mantra that we shouldn't care what they do in private? In fact are you trying to justify gay bashers with this? Gay's being seen as normal, despite being abnormal by definition, does affect me and "my" kids when they try and feed them this propaganda at a young age in school while casually ignoring plenty of real issues with gay's as if they do not exist.
>That's why it's about consent.
Again with the consent meme. Consent has nothing to do with this, nothing at all for fucks sake. According to your train of logic peadophilles are normal until they touch a child?
>I'm sorry, I'm sure you're mad that you can't freely fap to lolis and generally I'd support your plea, but you don't need to bash fags because of it
Great attempt at trying to shame, it's not working though as I do not fap to loli's nor am I attracted to pre pubescent kids.
>>52360481
Look at Sweden. That's the path most of us on are on.
Your decision.
>>52366062
but we don't allow polygamy
>>52365462
>the difference between gay and pedophile, is, as we have been saying, consent.
How many times do I have to repeat myself? Consent has nothing to do with it.
Let's imagine that society changes tomorrow and legally consent can be given by 2 year olds. Just imagine it. Does this now make pedophillia not a mental disorder? Would that not make it just like gay's today?
Bottom line is that they're both sexual disorders, it changes nothing with consent or lack of it. You wouldn't call shit eating (scat) normal just because both parties consented to it. Thus homosexuality is not normal, thus homosexuality is a disorder, mental or otherwise.
>A pedophile becomes a problem when they begin sexual relations with minors, not neccisarily from simply their prefference, but from their inability to control it.
I'll ask you the same as the other anon. Are pedophiles normal then until they touch a child? Should they not be treated by medical professionals until that point?
>>52366329
homosexuality is a mental disorder
it's just one without a cure so we've given up on treating it because it's easier to just accept it
>>52366088
I still don't get what you're trying to say.
On one hand, you say social perception shouldn't matter, on the other hand, you talk about normality.
And you obsess over the pedo/homo false dichotomy and choose to ignore all other paraphilias.
>gay mantra, in private, muh kids, yadda yadda
Read what I wrote, regarding the specifics of fictional cp, it's a measure taken by the organs of law, fictional cp wasn't banned because of some massive public outcry or some determination of psychologists.
It's not something I agree with personally, but I can see how it could help with combating online dispersion of non fictional pedophilic content in general.
>According to your train of logic peadophilles are normal until they touch a child?
They're just as abnormal as homos in the fact that they have a sexual preference (orientation ,whatever) that is vastly in the minority.
But that doesn't matter, what matters is what happens when both act on their preferences.
see
>le consent meme :D:DD
Look lad, I'm gonna stop arguing because I feel like you don't even know what you're trying to say, apart from trying, desperately, to equate pedophilia to homosexuality because you don't like fags.
>>52366353
We have to pretend it's not, we have to pretend it's normal, and now we're supposed to give them kids too because apparently that's a new right. By the way, it wasn't really given up on, it was more like forced to stop any research. More importantly if you start pretending that it's actually not a disorder then there's really no "cure" to be found anyway, since it's not a disorder, right? How do you cure something that's normal?
And If it is a mental disorder, then why are we giving kids to mentally unstable people? Especially when couples are literally waiting for years on a chance to adopt? Some anon already posted it. 500 couples waiting on adoption and only 18 per year get it.
This is what this is about really. Gay's already have practically all the rights married couples do. People are literally being misinformed thinking this is some refferendum on basic gay rights which they think they lack.
WE ARE TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM 2016 SLOVENIA COME ON!
>>52366088
>while casually ignoring plenty of real issues
This is something that I agree with. It is a problem. Personally, I support gay rights. I want homosexuality to be accepted.
But there are many issues that seem like we need to address as a civilization, that we are blatantly ignoring, or shoving to the side, or undervaluing in whatever way. If we could put a serious effort into using reusable fuels, or grant free gay marriage to people, we should do the former.
Really, we should do both. One may be vital to our survival, the other is a decent and nice thing to do, and really should not take much effort.
>>52366329
Any way, my arguments about consent were trying to give an opinion based on legality. Legally a two year old cannot consent, so they cannot be in a consensual relationship.
To the disorder argument, I have a somewhat complicated opinion that I have not really resolved. Before trying to explain it I will note that when I was about 13 I was diagnosed as having autism spectrum disorder.
First off: Is criminalization the best way to remedy a mental illness? Accepting that Gays and Pedophiles are so afflicted, might there be other, more effective plans of action in both cases?
Secondly, are either of them illnesses? What makes a mental illness? You seem to be working on the defenition that what is not normal is in such a category. Eating shit, is not normal and therefore is a problem, likewise wanting sex with persons of the same gender is not normal, and a problem. But if all actions that are not done by the majority are disorders, then what else is a mental disorder? The desire to skydive? Are motorcyclists derranged on the same scale as pedophiles and gays and mass murderers? I really am not sure about this. I have not met any persons directly who I was aware of as pedophiles, but I have met gays, most of whom seemed to have been entierly decent people-many of them people whom I respected starting before I realized they were homosexual.nospace
>>52366353
proof that homosexuality is mental disorder
>>52366628
>And you obsess over the pedo/homo false dichotomy
>It's false because I call it false.
>Read what I wrote
How about you do the same.
>but I can see how it could help with combating online dispersion of non fictional pedophilic content in general.
Yeah, because making things illegal means pedophilles disappear. Just like with drugs and addicts, amirite.
>But that doesn't matter, what matters is what happens when both act on their preferences.
Thanks for confirming the fact pedophilles are normal until they act on their preference.
>Look lad, I'm gonna stop arguing because I feel like you don't even know what you're trying to say
You're going to stop arguing because you have no argument and keep running back to consent. I already practically forced you to agree with fictional CP being normal because otherwise you have to resort to double think.
By the way, I don't think it's normal, in fact people who indulge in it need professional help.
>equate pedophilia to homosexuality
It's like they're both sexual disorders.
>>52366987
in the same way that being below 6' is a physical disorder, yeah
>>52367087
proof, again
>>52366950
Blasted 4chan! My post deleted itself as I dragged it to a different part of the screen.
Anyway.
Other things you could look for: 'Natural' is a popular criterea for defining disorders, but it gets into many of the same issues that normal does. Morality plays a very big part in what people call natural. At least in some views, every action undertaken by a human is natural as we are part of the natural world. Thus, gays are natural (as are laws restricting their marriage, as are laws permiting it).
Yet another view is that things that are right for humanity are good, and other things might be disorders. This makes some sense but very quickly it becomes clear that few people agree on what makes a good person.
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I still personally am not sure what should make a disorder, and I tend to dislike that word ingeneral because it implies that an 'order' exists for what people should be, which I do not beleive exists.
As for wheter pedophiles (aaccpeting the assumption that they are with a disorder) should be treated regardless of whether they act upon their uges, this is another thing that I am wary of.
People think a lot of things. If all the people who contemplated suicide where sent to mental health hospitals I doubt there would be many of us left to take care of them. There is a very big line between thniking and doing, and we should not treat those who consider an action but do not do it the same as those who go through with it.
