What would Russia be called if it wasn't called Russia?
Blyatistan
>>52225833
Japanese region
slavenia
slavia
slovania
slovakia
slovenia
slovinia
something along those lines
>>52225833
Golden Horde
slavia or something like that
Tataro-Mongolia
>>52225833
Muscovy
>>52225833
Hyperborea, or some old norse name like Gardariki or Halmgard
Northern Asian Federation of Slavic People
>>52225833
If only the name changes but the colonization of Syberia remains, then Muscovy.
Rúsland
>>52225833
Kievan Rus
>>52225833
not-russia
if we didn't get rekd at vorskla it would be called Lithuania, still slavic speaking and orthodox most likely tho (thinly veiled Lithuanians ruled teh slavs exclamation)
>>52226861
>slavs ruled slavs
so?
>>52226861
It wouldn't because Lithuanians were a minority in Grand Dutchy, let alone with more provinces.
It would become Rus anyway if we didn't intervene.
CCCP
>>52225833
Rus'
>>52225833
the "everything is shit except pee" country
>>52225833
Rossiya
>>52226923
Nah, the inevitable slavic speaking ruling class wouldn't have just renamed the country, people took titles seriously.
>>52226888
>Lithuanians
>slavs
Really now?
>>52227039
Doesn't change the fact that you would be minority in your own country.
>>52225833
Did anyone live in Siberia beyond a few stragglers?
>>52227170
>>52227082
Just like the Spartans. Your point?
>>52225833
Vodkania
>>52227549
Ruthenians weren't your slaves and they practised orthodox religion which dominated over early catholicism in Lithuania.
>>52225833
Soviet Union
Coвјeтcки Caвeз
>>52227634
How early are we talking? Don't forget the third player, i.e. the early religions. Christianity wasn't dominating anything in general for a long while.
If you don't like my Sparta example then how about the Normans in England after 1066?
Also medieval serfdom was not far removed from slavery of antiquity. There was a ruler in a castle and you do as he says or you get fucked up. Try not to overstate the importance of being the overall majority, it's modern bias.
>>52227801
>council union
slavic inefficiency 101 :^)
chechen republic of ichkeria
>>52227904
I'm speaking about 1300-1400 period when Russian identity started to shape. Lithuanian-Muscovian wars and later Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovian wars.
Ruthenians started to become more aware of their "belonging"
In case of any rebellion, Lithianians would be screwed. Not only because they were minority, but also because Muscovy/Early-Russia would intervene.
It's actually a miracle you owned them for so long.
>>52227801
Зaeбиcь! Ho тoгдa yж PCФCP.
(Poccийcкaя Coвeтcкaя Фeдepaтивнaя Coциaлиcтичecкaя Pecпyбликa).
My grandfather sometimes calls RF as RSFSR. I think it would be called otherwise like Moskovia.
We were born at night when the she-wolf whelped,
In the morning, to lion's deafening roar, they named us
There is no god but Allah
In eagles' nests our mothers nursed us,
To tame wild bulls our fathers taught us.
There is no god but Allah
Our mothers raised us to dedicate ourselves to our Nation and our Homeland,
And if our nation needs us we're ready to fight the oppressive hand.
There is no god but Allah
We grew up free as eagles, princes of the mountains.
There is no threshold from which we will shy away.
There is no god but Allah
Sooner will cliffs of granite begin to melt like molten lead,
Than any one of us shall lose our honor in life's struggles.
There is no god but Allah
Sooner shall the Earth be swallowed up by the broiling sun,
Than we emerge from a trial in life without our honor!
There is no god but Allah
Never to bow our heads to anyone, we give our sacred pledge,
To die or to live in freedom is our fate.
There is no god but Allah
Our sisters heal our brothers' bloody wounds with their songs,
Lovers' eyes will supply the strength of arms.
There is no god but Allah
If hunger weaken us, we'll gnaw on the roots of trees,
And if thirst debilitates us, we'll drink the dew from the grass.
There is no god but Allah
For we were born at night when the she-wolf whelped.
We pledge our lives to God, Nation and Vainakh homeland.
There is no god but Allah
>>52227939
How did you think Soviet Union was translated?
>>52228045
I thought that Ruthenian's comunity only emerged in late 19th and early 20th century
>>52228225
Nah. Some "countries" were pretty "nationalistic" long before Nationalism fired up.
>>52226046
That'd be rad desu senpai
>>52228270
And what forms took this proto-nationalism?
>>52225833
Soviet union
>>52228162
what?
I'm saying that it's redundant to call something coвйeтcки caвeз, the translation only matter in the context that non-slavs in this thread would understand what's going on
>>52228320
Polish Sarmatism, Russian and Lithuanian Boyarism, Ukrainian cossacks.
They knew who they were and to what land they belonged to.
I can go on
Gipperville
>>52228045
Do you believe in miracles?
Some serf working his ass off somewhere on the modern Russia/Ukraine border did not care of the ruler of the ruler of the ruler of the ruler of his owner was in Vilnius or in Novogrod or wherever. Rebellions in those ages used to be about things like taxation, conscription or famine.
No miracles.
>>52228390
2/3 is true
>>52225833
country of hunger, greyness and poverty
>>52228572
True, peasants didn't care. Elite was still fully aware of their "nationality" though.
>>52228598
Eleborate.
>>52228621
>>52225833
The Duchy of Huylo teh Greatest
>>52228225
The myth that national identities and nation states arose only in the 19th century is a 20th-21st century globalist lie. 19th century was the beginning of a revival of nation states after the consolidation into empires in the 18th century.
Pic related is from the early 18th century.
Bydlostan? Huilostan? Peasantstan
>>52228772
I can debunk it quickly.
Teutonic Order germanising Prussians and other Balts.
>>52225833
Turanian Federation
>>52228773
The Vodka Caliphate.
>>52228772
Historians have quite a few works going in this direction and all you have is a picture?
>>52225833
Magog
>>52225833
Finno-Ugria
>>52228985
>Historians have quite a few works going in this direction and all you have is a picture?
Historians do what they're paid to do. Often they lie about most things in favour of the people they're getting their pay-check from.
Just like French poets and philosophers justified partitions of Poland because they got money from russian Katherine.
North Eurasian Federation (NEF)
Capital: Federal City One (ex-Ekatirinburg)
Demonym for citizens: federats
Kievlian Rus
>inb4 katsap bydlo trying to deny that they're inferior to the glorious Ukraine
>>52229110
Ekaterinburg
**slowfix**
>>52228598
>>52228649
>>52228320
So you're saying that national identities magically disappeared during the Renaissance and magically reappeared again in the 19th century?
The Bavarii knew they were Bavarii, the Frisii knew they were Frisii, the Magyars knew they were Magyars etc. and not just the nobility, peasants too which is why peasant / hunter dress is considered to this day to be "traditional dress"
>>52228341
If only
>>52229168
I hate american /int/ hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_in_Poland
>>52229168
>So you're saying that national identities magically disappeared during the Renaissance
There weren't national identities. There were different peoples and cultures sure, but the idea to link this directly with an independent government didn't exist.
Besides in the middle ages people identified more with religion than a people or king.
>>52229292
>Besides in the middle ages people identified more with religion
If that was true, all of the western and central Europe would be united as one country.
>>52229097
>Historians do what they're paid to do. Often they lie about most things in favour of the people they're getting their pay-check from.
Historians I had in head are post eighties..
>>52229418
A few different political entities claimed the legitimacy to succeed rome as an empire spanning all of europe, but they had to compete with each other AND the local rulers.
And the middle ages is characterized by the strength of local rulers.
>>52229558
I wouldn't trust any scientists or historians. If you want to know about anything, search for yourself. Compare the material.
>>52229580
Not by language, culture and previous history?
>>52229292
There certainly were national identities. Prior to the Christian Era, people would have not accepted a leader that was not amongst their nation. It took immense effort to get the Gauls to accept Caesar instead of Vercingetorix, for example.
>people identified more with a religion in the Middle Ages
Exactly this. Which is why we probably saw a rebirth of nationalism in conjunction with the rise of secularism.
Muscovy
