>French "r" sound
why
that is NOT a human sound
Vocaroo yourself rolling the R
It's so cute when Anglos try it
>>52121574
They don't even roll it, rolling is easy. They cough it out the back of their throat
>>52121790
I know, I just wanted to hear you roll it
French R is easy.
Never met a foreigner who could pronounce Finnish double-r.
>>52122092
Finnish double r?
Could you please show me what you mean?
>>52122092
If what you have is [r] the alveolar trill, then half of Europe can pronounce it with ease, especially the Spanish since for them the trill and the tap are two phonemes.
>>52121790
The French use the velar trill, truly a subhuman sound.
>>52119248
>throat R
>not based Latin R
French are disgusting.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Y0obAhMEiq
how did I do?
>>52122215
what's the "tap"?
>>52122215
>alveolar trill
>velar trill
mate we just use the fucking letter r.
Why? We have it too, it's 1000 times easier than the impossible Spanish/Italian/Slavic /r/
>>52122253
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Y0obAhMEiq
the only sound I can hear is you clearly your throat lmaoooo
>>52122092
>>52122187
meant the rr-sound like in a word "kurre".
>>52122253
Don't focus so much on the r.
>>52122272
The tap is when instead of buzzing like a motorcycle trying to say "r" you make a singular tap. You Hungarians do this more often than trilling. Same for Polish, except words like krtań where "r" is between two consonants so it has to buzz in order to be heard.
Americans pronounce the tap in words like "boTTle", "waTer", for some reason.
>>52122274
The letter "r" can be used to write a dozen of fucking sounds
The world usually pronounces it as an alveolar tap
Most of Europe too, though the phoneme is the trill (rolled r)
Germans have a uvular trill
French have a velar trill (for some weird reason phoneticians insist this is a fricative)
Anglos, Chinks and Viets have a retroflex approximant
This is all one letter
>>52122324
That's easy for most spanish and slavic people.
You just need to keep the r rolling a bit longer than usual.
Reminds me of the sound a predator (movie predator) makes
post an exemple of it
I don't know what you're talking about
>>52119248
It came about because the French king had a speech impediment and his court didn't want him to feel bad so they started speaking like him. Rest of France caught on.
>>52119248
The French R is beautiful.
>>52122240
Some dialects and some old people still use the rolled R when speaking french. It was still used in the 19th century.
Guttural R best R tho
>>52122451
WHAT
Please tell me you completely made this up
>>52122092
Not even the spanish speakers? I read that our phonetics are similar.
>>52122475
I've heard the same story about the Spanish ceceo. It's most likely just a myth.
>Anglo and can roll my r
>can't vocaroo it because I'm in bed with my gf
;-; I've been practicing because I'll need it for Russian
>>52122470
I once heard a Frenchmen experiment with phonetics: he spoke normal French except he used the rolled R (alveolar trill) instead of the guttural one (velar trill)
Fuck that sounded completely awesome
>>52122522
I can imagine, but to me it just sounds weird kek
I've talked to an old man a few times, and he roll his r's, I never heard him using the guttural one, sometimes I couldn't completly understand him, even tho he was speaking french
>>52122522
Someone from burgundy maybe
>>52122509
The spanish th sound appeared during the 17th century and the evolution is well known.
>>52122675
Yeah, that's why I said the story in >>52122451 is probably a rumour.
>>52122664
No, that person was experimenting with phonetics. It wasn't natural for him.
>>52122642
To me, French is atrocious. I don't like it. But if you substitute that guttural r with a rolled one, it changes into pure beauty, for me.
Which is weird, because I really like how Dutch sounds.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1BJU4aeFyCI
>>52122405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAMWdvo71ls
like 30 seconds in he says rendez-vous over and over, the r is weird. But he's from Belgium so I don't know if that makes a difference
>>52122716
>To me, French is atrocious
It's funny, people either love french or totally hate it, what's the thing you don't like with french ? Just the guttural r ?
>pic related
>>52122790
Dutch has tons of the guttural r, so I think that can't be the reason... though the Dutch one is voiceless when French one is voiced.
I think that for my mind it's that guttural sounds don't match Latin-based languages. Germanic languages are as foreign as Chinese so you can have whatever in them, but French should use the rolled r.
>>52122727
except you fucked up the 3rd one
>english """""" r""""""" sound
>>52122830
We have multiple rs actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C8iwl2pNlQ
>>52122830
We don't accentuate rs too much, it's not a strong guttural, more like "closing" the throat. This way when we pronounce r it's kinda fast, contrarly to the rolled r who seems to be longer to pronounce.
Btw I noticed in my spanish classes that some people couldn't roll their rs at all, so I doubt we will roll them ever again kek
>>52122772
I just realized that Stromae's songs might just benefit a lot from his rolled R's.
But if someone started to roll his while casually talking they would sound like Edith Piaf and quickly understand that it's highly impractical since it slows your speech a lot, unless you've been doing this all your life.
>>52122933
The funny thing is that Poles have no problem with guttural r or Anglo r at all. We are shit in pronouncing a lot of foreign sounds, but when we want to say something in a French manner, we use your R.
Same if we want to mock Ameriburgers, we make weird intonation and the retroflex r.
Even kids can do that here.
What's the Spanish R? is it worse than the French?
>>52119248
it's a sound a frog makes
>tfw can't prononounce r correctly
>tfw have rhotacism
>tfw didn't get free speech therasim when i kid
>tfw no one ever said anything about it
>>52123898
>having to get speech therapy to speak a retarded meme language
>>52124400
>>52124400
>>52124400
>>52122253
huh ? you can pronounce the sound "en" ?
Pretty good job, m8
>>52122716
I know this is a late response, but we have all r's discussed ITT based on where you are. So Dutch is quite diverse in that regard.
>>52119248
>why
Because it's easier than the proper r sound.
>>52122772
That's the Brassens kind of R.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QiXvQ98aJw
>>52122253
Not bad :)
