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how would you improve the world?
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>>52112209
ban circumcision
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>>52112209
>>52110089
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>>52112229
^^^ ban this guy
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Make all the world governments a) cut corruption b) improve nutritional standards, education, and a huge push for better parenting styles to raise the next generation to be the best they can be.
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Nuke Turkey
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It's pefect
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>>52112251
Cockroaches can survive nukes.
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>>52112209
Stop meddling in the Middle East's affairs. Let them run their countries the way they want.
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Destroy everything except for the US, Canada, UK, Germany, Japan, and Switzerland.
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>>52112304
>just leave them alone, I'm sure they'll never do anything to us
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>>52112360
The Paris attacks were retribution for French airstrikes, not the other way around
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>>52112251
>>52112293
phosphorous bombs it is then
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>>52112239
Ban Canada.
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>>52112247
fucking liberals

education and nutrition are for libkeks
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>>52112421
>raising your children to have the highest intelligence possible is for liberals
>raising your children to be mentally healthy is for liberals
>ignoring the environmental factors of human behavior because it's for liberals
Kill yourself. Most human behavior/mental characteristics are a combination of genes + environment. Early childhood nutrition/education/parent child interaction are really fucking critical in shaping who you are.
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>>52112509
The parenting effect for IQ and the big five personality traits is zero.
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>>52112542
Then how did the white American IQ increase 15-20 points since the 1920s?
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>>52112209
Invest very heavily in new technology and develop the fuck out of space exploration. It's about time we got our asses out of the cradle and into the world beyond. If we could stop blowing each other up for a few minutes and focus on what's really important that'd be great.
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>>52112509
whatever you say you fucking libkek. you probably like obama.
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>>52112593
Flynn effect. The question is if people got smarter or if they got better at taking tests.

In any case, there is still no family influence on IQ.
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>>52112542
>>52112593
>>52112709
>iq

nice meme, i bet you believe in briggs majer tests too
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>>52112775
IQ correlates with higher income, academic achievement and work performance. On a country-level IQ correlates with higher-income stronger than on an individual-level:


Why your nation’s IQ matters more than your own
>https://agenda.weforum.org/2015/12/why-your-nations-iq-matters-more-than-your-own/
Sources are linked in the article.
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>>52112848
Ireland had a national IQ of 87 in 1972 according to the wealth of nations publication and today it has a higher HDI than Hong Kong and South Korea. What happened?
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>>52112848

>on a country-level IQ correlates with higher-income stronger than on an individual-level:

that is just wrong

>http://www.yale.edu/scan/Shamosh_inpress_Intelligence.pdf
>http://apps.olin.wustl.edu/workingpapers/pdf/2013-10-001.pdf

typical worthless social sciences research
> We start the review with the set of social
psychological experiments that includes the
prisoner’s dilemma (PD) and other very simple
‘‘noncooperative’’ games. The set includes
coordination and public goods problems. In all
such studies, participants separately make discrete
choices knowing that their payoff will
depend on another participant making comparable
choices. In the PD each participant
receives higher payoffs for choosing to compete
with the other party, regardless of what the
other party decides, but the highest payoff
for the pair as a whole comes from mutual
cooperation.
"""""research""""
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>>52112926
iq is highly heritable and also depends on nutrition and other factors. its still highly heritable and given the same environment, an average irishman will ouperform an average nigger
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>>52113015
>>>/pol/>>>
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>>52112926
Im not sure how HDI is measured but when it comes GDP per capita Hong Kong is higher than Ireland.
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>>52113042
you mean wikipedia?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
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>>52113000
Here is the study that looked at country income and IQ:

http://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/JonesSchneIQ

and this one for individuals and income:

http://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/Immigrant%20IQ
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>>52113015
What makes you think the environmental changes don't accumulate over multiple generations? I even found a Richard Lynn study putting Sudanese IQ at 93, decades after the initial study

Also if IQ is inheritable, two questions

With an IQ jump of 15 in three decades, does that mean that the Irish have a greater genetic intelligence potential and will eventually surpass the stagnant Anglos and Germanic?

Does that mean that Jews are smarter despite having the same white Germanic blood and other whites will never catch up?
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>>52113145
>With an IQ jump of 15 in three decades, does that mean that the Irish have a greater genetic intelligence potential and will eventually surpass the stagnant Anglos and Germanic?

>Does that mean that Jews are smarter despite having the same white Germanic blood and other whites will never catch up?

Maybe.
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>>52113145
Both groups might catch up, but if they do it will be due to eugenic/dysgenic fertility trends, not due to anything enviromental.
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>>52113120
conclusion of study:

>Finally, there is the question of whether the quality of the IQ scores impacts the
immigrant wage results reported in this paper. Apparently, the answer is no: When we
use only standardization sample and UNESCO (1998) scores, we have observations for a
mere 21 countries, but an OLS regression finds that 1 IQ point predicts 1.2% higher
immigrant wages (p=0.02, corr=0.5), similar to the results reported using the full data
sample. Similarly, at the cross-country level, one “high-quality” IQ point predicts 8%
higher national GDP per worker (p=0.0001, corr=0.7, n=27). So even using high-quality
national average IQ estimates, IQ predicts small within-country productivity differences
but large cross-country productivity differences. This replicates the central finding of
this paper.

at least link study that proves your point lol
>>52113098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
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>>52113261
On an individual level IQ correlates less strongly with income than on a country level, just as the article said. What is your point?
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>>52113261
>science and reality are racist
youre a lost cause
>The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late adolescents and adults.[5][6]
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>>>>52113178
So what makes you think blacks haven't achieved their genetic potential for intelligence?
>no nutrition
>no proper education
>no proper parenting
>no stimulating environment
>no proper educational policies
American blacks have already jumped 15 points despite being from predominantly 70 tier African countries in a single generation, the same jump Italian and Irish Americans made in 90 years.

>>52113255
How was the increase in American IQ attributable to that?
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>>52113323
>So what makes you think blacks haven't achieved their genetic potential for intelligence?
which blacks? basketball americans seem hopeless as a population. there are individual exceptions.
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>>52112209
more neetbux
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>>52112209
Ninshu so we can all communicate our feelings to each other without it being gay or awkward
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>>52113308
what is your point dude? how does this correlating levels of iq with income make sense to you?
>blacks in africa are stupid (because they scored less in iq memes tests so its science!)
>but when they move to america they have same results as americans
>this completely makes sense to me and its true

lol
>>52113310

> an authoritative American Psychological Association

oh we have rate on intelligence heritability now?i wonder how they measured this, probably in some authoritative high tech lab
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>>52113368
African immigrants (especially from Sub-saharan countries) are the highest educated group in America (which increases with higher education attainment), even more so than Asians and native whites. This is according to the US department of education statistics.

Remember these guys were rich enough to immigrate, so they presumably had better nutrition, parenting and early education. They're also the first generation of African immigrants to the US, unlike the boat people at Ellis island
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nerve gas all of asia south of Russia, but not Korea or Japan.

repatriate all types of asians in Europe and North America to the now empty southern asia.

nerve gas africa and central america too.
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>>52113440
The fact that IQ correlates with income, academic achievement, work performance, etc, is proof of that it isnt meaningsless. It measures something real.

Also, the Africans who move to the US are the most educated ones so it makes sense(because IQ is highly heritable) that even their children would become well-educated.
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>>52113452
>Remember these guys were rich enough to immigrate, so they presumably had better nutrition, parenting and early education
they were also the ones with better genetics. nations arent just groups of clones
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>>52113561
So you're saying they had a genetic head start? Eastern europeans, mediterraneans and Irishmen all had sub 90 IQs and were subjugated by whites historically but today have equalled them in intelligence, despite being genetically distinct groups that were considered genetically inferior all the way till the mid-20 century by the Nazi regime (although Hitler kept contradicting himself as the situation requires)
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>>52112209
Military governments for everyone.
Ban circumcision.
Start modern crusades.
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Remove all human
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>>52113528
>The fact that IQ correlates with income, academic achievement, work performance, etc, is proof of that it isnt meaningless.
it only proof that you obviusly havent read those """""research""" papers you are quoting cos if you have you would realise iq is meme
>Intelligence predicts more pro-social behavior

A meta-analysis by Sudeep Sharma, William Bottom, and Hillary Elfenbein found that higher intelligence predicted greater win-win, pie-growing, pro-social behavior. Jones explains, “We need political leaders who cut deals rather than start wars, who find ways to grow the economic pie rather than battle over a slightly larger slice. And politicians rarely reap most of the benefits of cooperation: Most of the benefits spill over to the whole nation…In many social settings, but not all, intelligent groups are more cooperative. One reason we’d predict smarter groups to be more cooperative is because they tend to be more patient. And more patient people care more about their reputations, they care more about the long-run benefits that come from buildingAlternatively, one might consider an endogenous-growth model with the following
technology production function, suggested by C. Jones (2002, 100ff.):

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n
Thus, one would want to consider whether national average IQ would plausibly have an
impact on λ and Φ. λ represents the extent to which workers are likely to duplicate each other’s
efforts at a given point in time, while Φ represents the “standing on the shoulders of giants”
effect, whereby it may be easier to find new ideas if many old ideas have already laid the
groundwork. The case can be made for IQ’s impact on both parameters, since IQ is positively
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correlated with achievement motivation, creativity, breadth of interests, memory, reading ability,
and many other factors that are likely to contribute to successful innovation [inter alia, Brand,
1987, cited in Jensen, 1998, p. 300]

literally bullshit
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>>52113702
I was saying there is variation within populations and you should distinguish between individuals, averages and distributions. Youre bringing up random nonsense now.
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>>52113726
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>>52113702
>but today have equalled them in intelligence
They havent. Might be true on a country-level, but not when looking at each ethnicity by itself.
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>>52113749
>i scored low on an iq test and im personally hurt by it
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>>52113749
>it only proof that you obviusly havent read those """""research""" papers you are quoting cos if you have you would realise iq is meme
read these:

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf
http://www.psy.miami.edu/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/temperament/bouchard.04.curdir.pdf

Tons on g and IQ here:

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/

I have to go to school now but I'll respond in the evening if the thread is still up.
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>>52113771
>random nonsense
Of course I understand that there's individual variation, but you're saying genetically distinct groups within the black population dominated their respective societies/countries. The same assumption was made during the early 20th century by politicians (let alone psychometricians) so I said how could certain white groups equal their Anglo and Germanic counterparts in roughly three generations?

Remember you're the one who asserted that blacks {as a group} had a lower heritable IQ and I showed you that the Irish are a testament to the fallacy of that, so try to maintain some consistency here.
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>>52113784
So now you're saying IQ is a poor metric of national intelligence? Remember that these countries are more ethnically homogenous and I'd love to see purely native ethnic IQ tests for western European countries or even NA countries (excluding all the non Anglo and Germanic ethnicities)
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