Do you think that Europe will gain from these two huge global trade agreements/projects?
That's how Chineses see Silk Road:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUG8IFcm2o
That's how Americans see TTIP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4J2InGns3Y
Europe will enjoy being DPed.
The most entertaining thing so far are huge anti-TTIP protests in Germany :D
TTIP will be a net benefit for the UK as we have a service-based economy and it will liberalise services trade.
We're also investing in the Chinese Silk Road project
>>51930082
TTIP will make your already unhealthily service based economy even more service based and therefore even more susceptible to investments, fluctuations and crashes. Exhibit A: The United States of boom today, crash tomorrow.
>>51930082
What a nice coincidence to see British and Polish interests compatibile again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ly301YLW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF8HFerjvLY
Chinese political system will collapse until 2020.
anyway we Capitalism nations are not gonna accept Socialism nations...
>>51930082
>source
>>51930203
Didn't help in 1939
>>51930291
Who is socialism nation Mr. Two recessions in two years?
>>51930211
>>51930291
China is an important part of the global puzzle. We should try to fit each other as good as possible instead of searching for differences that divide us.
Although i fully understand Japanese feelings for China and respect them
![CSUXPxYWEAESI6m[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/8dM9oIp.png "CSUXPxYWEAESI6m[1].png")
>>51930176
What is unhealthy about trading in services?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-exports-analysis-idUKKCN0T40QI20151115
Why would it make our economy more susceptible to crashes? Are you one of those idiots who thinks services = finance? Wrong, finance is a small subset of our service-based economy
Your "Exhibit A" is the US, an economy which is more successful than the German economy and has been for several years, along with the UK. Pic related. You're not very smart.
>>51930431
>Didn't help in 1939
It is better for Poland to have two powerful protectors, instead of only one.
>>51930439
Do you respect Chinese feelings about Japan not apologizing for Nanking or 1890-1945?
>>51930528
>Do you respect Chinese feelings about Japan not apologizing for Nanking or 1890-1945?
Sure. I am a very empathetic person
>>51930431
>source
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-makes-historic-first-visit-to-chinas-north-west
What do you think about potential new or expanded trade routes with the Arctic melting?
>>51930474
Lets look at GDP per capita now.
The UK and America have had a far higher growth rate.
>>51930715
It should make trade faster along the northern routes and therefore more economic
>>51930656
Source for TTIP being oh so good.
The Peterson Institute said the TTP woulf only expand world GDP by .08% (223 billion) by 2020. NAFTA in comparison added roughly .9% and the URGAY round added 1.5%.
So TTP and TTIP are almost meaningless to GDP.
>>51930520
No. That just makes you complacent.
>>51930715
Way cheaper and faster, but rail transport is a good alternative also
The more free trade, the better for everyone, except monopolists and protectionists.
Looks like Germany and Russia will be first to be fucked in this new better world full of cheap energy and cheap products
>>51930877
>Source for TTIP being oh so good.
Trade liberalisation has always been for the UK because it's one of the world's most open economies, in fact more open than the US. Freer trade usually benefits everyone, but it's especially good for the UK's model, which the BoE Governor Mark Carney has described as a "bet on openness" which has paid off over the years.
If you don't believe me I don't really care
>>51931101
>free trade makes everything cheaper
>free trade is always good
>free trade hurts monopolists and protectionists
Okay Polish intellectual. What happens if free trade makes Polish plumbers cheaper as well?
>>51931236
>What happens if free trade makes Polish plumbers cheaper as well?
Poland is as cheap as China. It won't hurt us as much as arrogant high-income Westerneuropean countries ;)
>>51931170
Surely that explains Britains housing bubble and soaring national debt as well.
![Chart1.5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PHWOZec.jpg "Chart1.5[1].jpg")
>>51931297
>soaring national debt as well.
You mean the national debt which will start falling in this financial year? That is "soaring" to you?
>Surely that explains Britains housing bubble
I don't understand how you get here from a discussion on free trade and liberalising trade deals.
>>51931101
>The more free trade, the better for everyone, except monopolists and protectionists.
The more free trade for you, the better for foreign monopolists and protectionists, since they can leverage their gains at home to take over your market
>>51930474
Why don't they compare from Q4 2007?
>>51931461
Sure. If they will be able to keep market-share, which will be much harder in circumstances of direct competition with Chinese and American products
>>51931439
>muh forecast
Yeah why don't you show me the 2010 forecast?
Free trade requires free capital flows, therefore leading to the bubble.
>>51931554
Here's one that goes from 2008 Q1 to 2014. Of course it doesn't include 2015 when the UK was growing much faster than Germany.
>>51931685
>Yeah why don't you show me the 2010 forecast?
Because if I may quote the Prime Minister of Canada, "it's 2015".
>Free trade requires free capital flows, therefore leading to the bubble.
We're not building enough houses, not nearly enough. It's a political problem because the space is there but it's politically awkward for a Tory government to build more. You are saying we should fix this problem by restricting freedom of capital? Bizarre. Foreign money into UK property has been falling anyway, since the government increased stamp duty.
>>51931703
Per capita? I know thst's asking for a lot.
You'd have to agree the germs per cap has grown faster.
And absolute wise you guys have finally done barely better as of 2015. Does that mean Germany's semi-protectionist economy is worse than the UK's mostly-open economy?
We will need a consistent trend in per capita growth to know.
Can't wait to have a possibility to buy a cheap Chinese or American car instead of German one. And oh, these cheap iPhones for American price!
>>51931918
I'm saying the 2010 forecast, 2011 forecast, 2012 forecast were absolute trash. Though I think your debt per GDP will drop the next couple years, whose to predict 2018-2020?
The increased stamp duty is a good step. It's stagnating capital flows from the third worlders. China currently is reckoning with the problem of more open capital flows. They flow in fast and leave even faster.
Tories > Labor currently. At least that's my view.
>>51931956
>We will need a consistent trend in per capita growth to know.
1980 to 2015, about 35 years the UK has been outperforming Germany.
And you're about to see German per capita GDP take a hit due to the huge influx of refugees and "refugees"
>>51932077
You're gonna have to wait at least 4 or 5 years amigo.
>>51931054
this is exactly what will happen in the antarctic after 2048
>>51932242
>You're gonna have to wait at least 4 or 5 years amigo.
I will survive it
>>51932210
Do you think eastern germany hurt Germany?
>>51931461
>The more free trade for you, the better for foreign monopolists and protectionists, since they can leverage their gains at home to take over your market
>>51931101
Why does your pain in the ass always makes you say dumb shit like this?
ffs it's not 1939 anymore.
>>51933159
I guess short term but it was clearly a long term benefit to gain all that land, and labour.
I don't know why anons are trying so hard to make excuses for Germany, why do you think they should be a better performing economy than the UK? When you think about it, about all the advantages Germany has right now - export-based economy with artificially cheap currency, low oil prices, loads of cheap labour, suppressed wages - and they can't even achieve 2% annual GDP growth? That's a shitty performance in my book.
>>51929369
>Lodz stronk
>>51933402
>ffs it's not 1939 anymore.
>>51932210
The refugees are supposed to do shit labour. The only reason we have to deal with them is that the CDU sucks the lobbies dick. If you look at who were the first ones to speak out for them, you'll find Mercedes' CEO and people like that. We basically traded social peace and our culture for a little bit of economical succsses.
>>51933748
>Le WW II maymay.
K.
>>51933869
>The refugees are supposed to do shit labour.
That's rude
>>51933748
>>51933869
Daily reminder it's 2015.
Refugees are welcome here.
>>51933869
>The refugees are supposed to do shit labour.
kek
>muslims
>work
Also, with automation there won't be shit work left to do in a few decades. In Canada, store sales are increasingly done by terminals at larger stores like Loblaws, Walmart and Canadian Tire.
>>51934043
>this kills the refugee
>>51933926
True, but it's not like the people in charge would care. It's profit what's worrying them.
>>51933943
Pls stop.
>>51934043
I can just tell you what's supposed to happen. I can also say that a lot of people do black labors here or deal with drugs. So they are probably still getting Hartz IV while doing easy stuff.
Also stuff like cleaning is still cheaper if you have ten people working for less then the minimum wage for two months until you can get new ones for the same or worse conditions.
>>51933943
Cute.
Polish guy traveled to Germany and imported two refugees from there to his house : twin brothers. And now they are already members of the family, babysit his children when he works and stuff.
