Italy delays EU decision on Russia sanctions
EU Council officials had drafted the legal act. EU capitals had given the nod. The scene was set for ambassadors, in Brussels on Wednesday (9 December), to extend, without further ado, the EU’s economic sanctions on Russia for six months.
Then Italy said "No"
https://euobserver.com/foreign/131456
Italy is a bad boy who doesn't know what European solidarity means. Bad bad boy.. Shame on you, Italy
Oh Italy you bad boy
Maybe we should put sanctions on Italy as well?
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>>51901189
sending more weapons to ukraine seems like best option
Italy you've been a very bad boy....
;^)
>>51901395
>sending more weapons to ukraine seems like best option
No, not really, because they sell them on illegal market afterwards. We should send more Ukrainians to war instead
>>51901189
>>51901189
daily reminder that Italy gives free money to your shitty failed country
>>51901093
I don't believe you, that would imply that Renzi has a brain which was already proven false
>>51901675
renzi > berlusconi
>>51901093
>Italy is a bad boy who doesn't know what European solidarity means. Bad bad boy.. Shame on you, Italy
Literally a butthurt leech. Poland want's only to profit from other, like a Parasite.
>>51901645
>daily reminder that Italy gives free money to your shitty failed country
And? I am pretty sure that you contribute much less than our best neighbour.
>>51901717
Fecal matter > renzi = berlusconi
>>51901746
Hi, best neighbour! :D
>>51901093
Offer free citizenship and you won't have these countries.
>>51901189
the EU is a joke anyway
>>51901812
I wish I could write the same.
>Italy switches sides again
Renzi and Seagal are two best friends of Putin now. They could make a foursome with Sigmar Gabriel
>blindly following the orders of plutocrats from Brussels is "European solidarity"
Polacks are funny.
>>51902029
>implying we ever were enemies
>>51902091
They had a chance to fuck Russia in the ass in solidary way, but they failed
Russia best ally.
>>51902138
Did they buy you like they did with France?
>>51902183
We've always been friendly with Russians, this isn't a recent friendship.
>>51902183
No, there's a thread about this here >>51894923
>>51902268
Old news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lUqhfBjWpo
>>51901645
this desu
>>51902368
They love russia for free don't worry
>>51901093
Literally the bestest ally.
>>51902396
It is not money, it is a handout. Poland spends more money on cleaning parks from used condoms. Add two '0' digits to the end of the sum you contribute, then we maybe say "thank you"
>>51901093
wew
for once i feel proud to be italian
>>51902446
we love you too, russia
>>51902558
That's because they never occupied you yet
>>51902396
>dat big dick
errytiem
>>51902613
>butthurt pole
>>51902478
>11.21 billions euros
>handout
okay, that money comes from germany, france and uk too, but we can still estimate that at least 2 billions come from italy (which is the 3rd EU contributor)
>>51902710
> 2 billion
It is a handout. I told you to add two "zero" digits to the end of it if you want to be treated seriously by Poland
please provide a reliabe source
>>51902810
Hard to belive that your country is a prostitute of Russian Federation that is barely able to feed its citizens?
That's KGB magic
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-sanctions-idUSKBN0TS21I20151209
>>51902857
excuse me but we don't fall for the anti-russia propaganda
>>51902959
You fall for Russian dick up your ass instead
>>51902857
> is a prostitute of Russian Federation
wew,i think you're exaggerating now
>>51902857
>>51902857
sanctions are hitting only the common people, while the elite doesn't care.
If we want to solve the Ukranian crisis we should think of something more clever than just "stop selling them food"
>Poland
>Europe
>>51902755
beggars cannot be choosers Poland
Maybe if you had actually fought the commies like us you wouldn't be so butthurt
>>51903072
>wew,i think you're exaggerating now
Not at all. I am underestimating Western Europe's shady connections with Russian plutocratic Kremlin-mafia
>>51903117
>beggars
We don't ask anybody for money. It is given automatically
>>51902091
No, blindly following OUR orders as relayed by Brussels is European solidarity.
The Pole is right, fuck Italy.
>>51902263
>>51901093
Why didn't you listen?
>>51901093
based renzi
based italy
we're officially the least cu.cked european country
Why Russia has so many dedicated friends and Poland is disliked by everyone around? It is not fair
>Pooland on suicide watch
>>51903407
ask that to all the moroccans living here
>>51903417
But we love poland too,you're even in our national anthem
>attempt to make a thread on /int/ that's not a general and about another country's culture when american hot pocket mods are awake
>gets deleted
this board has some of the worst mods
>>51903499
We would love you too if you contributed more money
>>51903417
>average polish thread:
>"italy has avoided banter for too long"
>">ITALY >AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH"
>*something about russians*
>etc. etc.
if you hate everyone don't expect to be loved
>>51903417
Oil
>>51903539
Spoken like a true pole
>>51903417
Putin,bears
>>51903417
Why would a man be friends with someone who is constantly butthurt against the whole world?
>>51903752
Russians are so butthurt about the world that they want to destroy it (turn it into Russia) but somehow they have a fanclub in Europe anyway and people pay heavy money for their energocarriers
>>51903417
Because you are Aussie-tier shitposters, but have no charm whatsoever.
Most Poles on this board just come off as bitter and hyperbolic.
EU politics and media have declared too many evils to still make coherent sense. IS are evil, Assad is evil even though he's fighting the IS, Russia fight the IS as well but are also evil, Ukraine sometimes are evil, Erdogan is evil or good depending on whom he's shooting at, USA are good or evil depending on how loudly they're talking that day. It's just a complete mess, you can't take anyone seriously anymore.
>>51904011
We talk about real life, not imageboards
This doesn't really mean anything
>>51903417
We like you and hate Russians.
Lucky for you America is the only country that matters.
If I were in charge I'd do the same so telegram, CNN and all other western liberal trash media can all us ebil commie nazis raycist islamophobic gayphobic transphobic pedophobic literally hitler.
I always feel so warm inside when I read such things about Poland
>>51904097
Except Italy whoring itself to Russia
>>51904055
Russia does NOT fight IS. How have they been able to get away with this meme for so long? They only fight those which are in closest proximity to gov't held areas, the majority of which are other rebel groups.
And even if they did eventually primarily fight IS, they'd also kill Kurds and anyone else that threatened the Assad regime. And why wouldn't they? They have a vested interest in keeping Assad in power.
Get fucked.
>>51904196
These evil European assholes want to replace you with Russia :(
>>51904061
Then go post; "Putin is the next Hitler! He wants to start a world war that will destroy Russia! He even drinks a cup of newborn blood every morning"-tier comments on mainstream news websites like the rest of your countrymen do.
>>51901717
>implying that anyone is better than berlusconi magnus
>>51904417
Polish trolls in Internet are usually neutral or friendly for Russia though
>>51904537
>forza italia
>literally created from a pact with mafia
>>51902446
let's go empire togheter
>>51904343
Don't worry, we'd never let that happen. There's a reason we have more soldiers in Germany than Germany does.
>>51904656
Enjoy Operation Gladio 2: Electric Boogaloo.
>>51904723
someone is about to enjoy operation gladius II
>>51904723
>Americans can't even keep domestic dindus in check
>>51904779
>we was romans n shiet
>>51904196
t. Polak
>>51904895
>we wuz
>we...
>we wuz...
nah, nothing, USA has no history.
>>51902029
>implying
at any given time, we're always on the same side: the one who's winning
>>51905045
What did that amount to in WWII? You lost all your eastern territories even though you switched to the winning side.
Not even trying to banter, here; but you have to think sticking with Germany would have at least given you a chance, albeit minuscule, of keeping Istria and Dalmatia.
>>51902857
>reuters
GOOD GOYIM
Fuck Ukraine. EU should be working with Russia to destroy ISIS.
>>51903417
because you appear in every thread and start bitching and moaning and remind everyone of their war crimes, like poland never did anything bad, its history there are winners and there are losers, poland had a loss strike for last 300 years who cares, austria didnt have significant clay gains too, but we are not as butthurt
>>51903880
>Russians are so butthurt about the world that they want to destroy it
Proofs?
>>51904328
>the eternal anglo appears
yeah rebel groups, they are "moderate" islamist rebels like the Al Nussra also another Alqaueda branch
Italy is a strong independent country that needs no Polish vassal mentality
i'm not in to politics
but maybe it's time to say thanks
even if only 4chan will hear it
>>51905633
dubs confirm
Isn't in western books Russia confirmed as economically dying country?
What a point for of being a bad boy and don't extend sanctions?
>>51907012
Personal interests and business.
>>51907177
>interests*
*dealings, stupid english
>>51901752
word
at this point eu would be pointless if it wasn't for slovakia
>Poland perpetually butthurt about Russia.
You can't mention russia here without Poland coming around to shit it up.
>>51901093
>epic Polish buthurt itt
Renzi voted for the extension just a month ago. Hm-m. Don Berlusconi's strings still intact?
Russian libkeks are on a suicide watch in comments :
>Italy is a home of fascism!
>Fascists are friends with Putin, no wonder!
>See, Ukraine, who's your friends in Europe!
I can unironically vote vor liberal-democrates next time if things shall go this way. No party with such supporters should be in power. Too bad we don't have decent alternatives yet, only Jews and incompetent populists.
Isnt Italy this country that came up with idea of "sharing" refugees between European countries on the basis of "European solidarity"? Oh look, how solidary they are!
>>51907787
Thats because we have opinion that Russia must be disintegrated to save Europe from destruction. Western Europe believes that feeding Russian hostile imperlialism with money, contacts and technologies wont turn against them in the future. It is a very naive way of thinking, Russia already managed to bribe most of their mainstream politicians
>>51901093
>“My guess is, it will be sorted out behind the scenes.”
>All of these posters thinking this means Italy is standing up to the evil Americans and EU and siding with noble Putin, defender of freedom
Renzi probably realizes that he can get concessions from the UK, France, Germany, or the US for something he was going to do anyway. They did the same trick in the world wars: they stall before joining in to try and get the best deal.
Daily reminder that Poland is a shitty excuse for a country that literally has achieved nothing despite being a semi-large country.
>>51911451
It is exactly the same guy who came up with idea of "sharing refugees" inside EU against their will. He stinks
>>51901093
shut up Poland, Russia is best ally
>>51911550
Thats why you accept refugees that your ally is sending to you everyday?
>>51911584
uh? American attempt to overthrow Assad is causing the refugees to flee
how stupid are you guys?
you should take one for the US team actually, maybe a million
>>51911311
>Russian hostile imperlialism
Giving up more lands in last 30 years than we conquered in last 200 is now considered as imperialism. Poland on /int/ never stops amazing me.
t. Wish we were slightly imperialistic
>>51911647
You "gave up" these lands because you were weak and disintegrated., not because of "good heart".
itt Polkeks crying because they want to see American niggers fucking their women
>>51911702
All they do is cry.
Biggest shitters on this board.
>>51911625
So why only 30% refugees come from war-torn Syria? And who gains the most on this refugee crisis? Didnt political party funded by Rusian banks win regional elections in France lately thanks to it?
When people think about Europe, they think about Germany, France, Italy, Spain. These countries represent Europe. Nobody thinks about Poland.
>>51903417
We love you poland don't worry. We won't let euros bully you.
>All of these Italian posters all over Russia's nuts about how they were old allies
>A few months ago they were talking shit about how NATO could crush Russia and they were on the winning side
>Once Renzi actually signs onto the sanctions they're going to pretend they were on our side the whole time again
Perfidious Italia
>>51911696
>"good heart"
Said no one; your butthurt blinds you. We could not do that. We gave up much land just because we let them rebuild a river's stream. Corruption was involved 1000%. Then we annexed one island that desperately wanted to join us since forever. Imperialism my ass. God, I hope not all Polish are like /int/ guys here. We have nice news reports about you, people are happy Poland isn't keked by refugees and such. Despite your attitude I wish you good luck, hope we could make up better in the future.
>>51911816
We get the rest from Lybia, thanks to Hillary Clinton.
And FN didn't win the regional elections ''thanks to Russian funding'', they did because France is in deep shit with Muslims immigrants welcomed by socialists and Sarkozy.
>>51911884
Soviet Union was disintegrated because you were destroyed wisely: by low oil pice and manipulating you in Afghan war. Europe is safest place on this planet when you are destroyed and disintegrated
I could even give you the reason why Italy did this and who's pushing for lifting the sanctions, but you are so obsessively blinded by butthurt and paranoid about Russia that it doesn't even matter.
>>51911924
and that's the proof of what I'm saying.
Even with Russia gone, we'd be flooded by Muslims sent by Saudi Arabia and refugees caused by American wars.
And you'd still be asked to take one for the team.
Fucking Polkek
>>51911988
Tell me, I'm curious.
>>51911920
USA makes wars in Middle East for last 11 years and there never were any refugees. All of a sudden they appeared during conflict with Ussia. Unbelievable! And your Russia-friendly guy was also first person who proposed to share refugees between EU-countries instead of sending them home. Thats surely coincidence too
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/czech-defence-minister-russia-finances-stream-refugees-europe/ri10510
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mediterranean-migrant-crisis-furious-italian-pm-matteo-renzi-forces-belated-compromise-on-quotas-at-10349039.html
>>51911884
>>wishing luck to nation who dreams of slitting our throat
Typical Russian retardation, history teaches our people nothing.
>>51912053
>nation who dreams of slitting our throat
Is that really so?
>>51912039
because they invaded only Iraq.
and we had refugees from Iraq you ignorant cretin. Sweden took hundreds of thousands.
Now America added Lybia and Syria to the list, Merkel went full ''welcome'' and you get millions more.
Is that Russia's fault? Or Italy's fault? None of that.
As for Italy proposing the ''share'' plan when Renzi did, nobody cared. Now it's Merkel insisting.
>people still replying to him
guys its just polish analog of russian pedojew but on /pol/-alike way
>>51912138
You are arguing with facts. For now i see Russia bombing Syria to ashes, millions of people escaping from there and your bribed politicians shilling for obligatory quotas. It is also not surprising to see that this refugee crisis makes possible for Russia-funded parties like Le Pens National Front win elections in France. I dont see America in this mess - only Westerneuropean-Russian cooperation in destroying Europe
>>51912121
There are countries we're bound by historical, geopolitical and even cultural reasons to be enemies with, among them Turkey and Poland. Any Russian future attempts to reconcile with Poland will eventually meet (and our attempts in 90th and after smolensk crash already met) the same end as Putin's friendship with Erdogan.
>>51912251
who funded terrorist in Lybia to ovrethrow Assad?
fact n.1 you are ignoring
>bribed politicians for obligatory quotas?
what? assuming the ''bribed'' one is Marine Le Pen, she's Pro-Russia and against refugees
that alone proves you wrong.
and once again she isn't winning the elections ''because of refugees''. Prove that claim you cretin? You can't, because FN has been at 28 for the last 3 years, before the refugee crisis even started.
> I dont see America in this mess
which country is taken as a role model from Europe for its diversity?
which country has been bombing Syria for the last 4 years?
you ignore every fact that contraddicts your logic (American causing the civil war, Marine Le Pen being against refugees)
you are a retard.
keep swallowing Obama's black cock and thinking Russia is the one bringing diversity to your country, see where that leads
>>51912354
>we're bound by historical, geopolitical and even cultural reasons to be enemies with
Add something about karma and good vibrations. I demand proofs.
>>51912375
let's add that refugees have been coming from Syria from last year. Russian intervention started 2 months ago.
Polkek can't into time.
>>51912375
So now you claim that America tries to force obligatory refugee quotas on Poland, not such Russia-friendly guys like Renzi or Angela "Nordstream" Merkel? Thats fat
>>51901093
Useless fucks switching sides again
>>51901189
Sanction Italy into the dark age
>>51912354
France and the UK and France and Germany are logical enemies out of both geopolitics and history, but were able to resolve those old rivalries in the last century. It's possible for Poland and Russia to do the same.
>this thread
>>51912424
>Switch sides secretly before WW1
>Switch sides IN THE MIDDLE of WW2
the anglos never learn
>>51901746
Can't really complain about leeches when you're inviting in millions
>>51912379
Russian foreign policy for centuries was dominated by two questions - Polish question and Eastern (Turkish) question aka Straits question. It was not happening because of carma or because our foreign ministry had nothing better to do, there was rationale behind it and it still exists today because some things like geography never change.
>>51912422
Merkel and Renzi are so Russia friendly that they shoved up sanctions for the last 2 years.
>I don't see how liking Obama's black cock up my country's vagina makes me a kekold
really dude?
>>51901093
Does Poland know what European solidarity means? I seriously doubt it.
>>51912445
Poland will always prefer to see Russia weak and desintegrating. Russia will always prefer to see Poland subjugated. France and Germany had it better because they're civilized countries and they're roughly from the same league. And even then they had to fight the bloodiest war before coming to terms with each other.
>>51912767
>that they shoved up sanctions for the last 2 years.
The same sanctions that some of them want to remove now?
>>51904328
I find some discontinuity here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34882503
>Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.
>>51912782
>Does Poland know what European solidarity means? I seriously doubt it.
Sure. We agreed to help Europe and accept obligatory refugee quotas, although these poor refugee-people don't want to live here, they were escaping to Germany and Sweden, not to Poland, so we will have to force them to live in closed camps, which is extremely fucked up, especially if you take into consideration XX century and what happened on territory of Poland back then. But nonetheless we agreed to do this insane thing. But since you guys begin to break European solidary by cooperatimg with Russia (Nord Stream II, now this Italian clowning around), we will have to change our plans
>>51904328
Good job eating up all that propaganda from yellow press magazines.
>Get fucked.
Reddit is down the hallway and to the left
>>51912039
>Russian operations in Syria began in October 2015
>Refugees began to flood into Europe in October 2015
Pick one
>>51913175
>But he added that "the majority of Russian air strikes are still against moderate Syrian opposition forces, which is clearly concerning, and those strikes are in support of the Syrian regime" of President Bashar al-Assad.
m8 that's literally the next sentence
>>51913175
Russia should air strike fleeing refugees instead as a sign of goodwill toward Donald Trump and Republicans living in America
Then Putin can say he'll only stop the airstrikes if a Republican becomes the American president, so the cotes of communist hippies will be assured because they want to protect these poor defenseless immigrants who are not muslim terrorists and just want to escape conflict by bypassing several civilized countries and putting their lives in even more risk in order to live comfortably in a first world country with lots of money and benefits (for safety of course)
A new era of peace will fall across the globe, and USA and Russia will work together to deport Syrians back to their land and build a wall around the entire country of Syria and then Mexico.
>>51913097
Because sanctions aren't supposed to last forever... The Iran Deal you support undyingly ring a bell?
I've seen your threads here.
>Russia isn't bombing ISIS
>Russia funds eurosceptic parties
>Russia sent all the refugees to Europe
You're literally autistic and butthurt and wrong.
>>51913238
And m8, the brit said
>Russia does NOT fight IS. How have they been able to get away with this meme for so long? They only fight those which are in closest proximity to gov't held areas, the majority of which are other rebel groups.
An American military officer repeatedly told the press Russia DOES fight ISIS.
He also explains that Russia DOES bomb ISIS in Raqqa which is nowhere near the front line or other rebel groups. It's the same place we bombed a week ago to kill Jihadi John.
>>51913097
because sanctions are bad for the European economy
guess why Renzi is asking to remove them?
Because he likes Russia?
Nah, because Unicredit, which is the biggest Italian bank, has huge investments in Russia that are now frozen due to sanctions.
And Eni, which is the Italian energy company has big plans with Gazprom frozen.
Not because of some weird Russian conspiracy.
fucking tool.
>>51903417
Eternal butthurt, poor criminals even though white, and plumbers
>>51913306
>Then Putin can say he'll only stop the airstrikes if a Republican becomes the American president, so the cotes of communist hippies will be assured because they want to protect these poor defenseless immigrants who are not muslim terrorists
But is was Russia (soviet union) that installed these "hippies" on most important positions in the USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWlyt2ldKw
>>51913457
>because sanctions are bad for the European economy
Not at all. Our export grows very fast without Russia, because we basically replaced Russian market with markets in Middle East, Asia and Africa.
Russia lost purchase power after fall of oil price. Those people who shill for Russia don't don't do this out of economical reasons, but simply because of political reasons.
>>51913457
>because sanctions are bad for the European economy
Because sanctions are bad for shady business and political connections between mr Renzi and Russian oligarchs, including the biggest one: mr Putin
>>51901093
I fucking love italy. Truely the best country in europe.
>>51913571
In a free market if you just delete 2% of the market it doesn't leave anyone better off financially.
Why? Because even if you now trade with other countries instead those countries traded with the country that vanished and now they are poorer.
You are the eternal butthurt pole who makes the daily anti-Russia threads and posts youtube videos as proof. I'm here just like last time to say, kill yourself.
>>51913795
Sometimes it is not diserable to have trade connections with a country that is hostile. Do you really think that it is interest of Poland to pay 20 bln dollar to Russia every single year for oil and gas, while we all know that this money is spent on Russian military that can kill us all someday? Or on Russian secret service that bribes such politicians like mr Renzi and turns them against Poland and united Europe? I don't think so
>>51913750
Are the Iranian sanctions bad for shady business connections between Rouhani and Obama?
>>51913837
There is no sanctions on Iran thanks to mr Brzeziński. You live in yesterday's world
>>51913826
You make that decision. But don't forget that oddly enough, these very same sanctions your country pushed for in 2014 left out any ban on Russian oil and natural gas.
>>51913862
You didn't respond to my question.
And no there are sanctions on Iran until the end of this year.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0SL1E520151027
Why do Poles get butthurt at the slightest mention of Russia?
Anyways, good on ya Italy
>>51911218
No, that would be us :^)
>>51913872
>left out any ban on Russian oil and natural gas.
It is rather hard to expect that Germany whose economy is based in 30% on Russian energocarriers will stop importing them after one day. I think that the US's job is to supply Europe with bigger number of alternative sources of energy. Pipeline from Saudis and Qatar, through Syria to Europe is a good thing for Europe and the world, unfortunately it also demands removal of Assad that is protected by Putin.
>>51913914
You mean our resident autistic pole.
He posts a generic anti-Russian thread linking youtube videos or a polish source every other day.
A few weeks back he was arguing that Russia hasn't bombed ISIS and instead is bombing innocent civilians to create more refugees.
>>51913921
You oddly forget to mention that in 2014 when those sanctions were formed your nation recieved 90% of its natural gas from Russia.
Surely Poland would be a crusader of anti-Russian measures. Surely glorious Poland would attack Germany for not banning Russian oil.
Oh wait. Poland did not do that.
I don't see this much butthurt towards kekmany
>>51913921
You can voluntarily sanction Russian oil and natural gas. Why is your nation supporting Russian state oil companies?
What happened to valiant and indepdent Poland? Poland seems to be a slave dog of Merkel.
>mfw
Italy is and.always has been the most commie country of the western block
>>51913956
ISIS isn't putin's main target. at least until ceasefire between assad and opposition in next 6 months.
>>51914029
>Russia under Putin
>Commie
France is more pro-Russia than Italy. They BARELY reneged on the Mistral contract and paid the whole thing back with delay fees.
That soooooo irked our leaders. France having an independent view is bad.
>>51914029
Modern Russia is far from communist, Luigi.
>>51914030
Hmmmmmm
>Assad is my ally
>who is actively fighting my allies right next to their main cities?
>who is beheading Assad's people and instituting sharia law on Idlib?
It makes sense that Russia focuses on JAN and the Army of Conquest.
America in 94' actively bombed Serbia to stop genocide since they were near Europe, but we let the Rwandan genocide happen at the same time.
Are you saying Russia should not fight the problem nearest to its interests?
Are you saying Russia does not also fight ISIS?
>>51914003
>90% of its natural gas from Russia.
Hungary imports around 89 percent of its annual consumption from Russia; Poland imports _____53 percent_____ (2013); the Czech Republic, 99 percent; and Slovakia, 95 percent.
http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_europes_vulnerability_on_russian_gas
And this ratio will be 2x smaller soon thanks to our LNG terminal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLuqAW3tWB0
>>51914067
US opposing Russia has no ideological basis now. China is FAR worse on dissidents. Putin is a mobster that fucks up his opposition, but China goes much further to control public opinion. They're not the evil empire any more. Messing with Russia is a mistake when its foreign policy seems to be reactive rather than actively aggressive.
fuck off Italy we are brothers no more
and fuck off EU
>>51914162
>America in 94' actively bombed Serbia to stop genocide since they were near Europe, but we let the Rwandan genocide happen at the same time.
And on the contrary putin in 2015 actively bombs some ragtag durkas to protect alawites but he lets Russians in eastern ukraine to be shelled by mortars and die every day at the same time.
Truly muslim civil wars is the nearest problem to Russia's interests by far.
>>51914250
Stop fueling tinfoil theories about Russia being British cryptocolony
>>51901093
I approve of Italy. But that's a given, because normally we've always approved of Italy.
THANK YOU ITALY
FUCK SANCTIONS. IT'S FUCKED OUR ECONOMY AND BUSINESSES IN RUSSIA!!!!
>>51914663
>IT'S FUCKED OUR ECONOMY
Your economy was kinda fucked before sanctions and you put it down even more with using socialism. But sanctions fucked up your export indeed: >>51913571
Maybe you should think seriously about diversification of your export instead of penetrating Russian ass with tongue? They are poor anyway, because of low oil price, so they can afford barely half of what they could afford before changes on global energy market
>>51902113
>>51902138
good fellas
>>51902613
and it will never happen
>>51913795
Russian market is not free though, but completely dependent on politics of Kremlin. Our companies are really tired of Russia blocking their products and fucking up their selling-plans because of political reasons. Polish companies are not interested in politics and moods of mr Putin, they want only earn money and this thing becomes more and more problematic in case of Russia, hence they basically replace Russian market with other markets. The world is big and a lot of African countries have comparable purchase power with Russia nowadyas. And they are not racist for Poles.
>>51901093
>shit on Italy's attempt to stop people crossing the Mediterranean
>get surprised when Italy shits on them
>>51901093
poles should chill out. we all know poles are butthurt, but come one. its 2015
>>51915112
How can we "chill out" in period of extreme activisation of Russian imperialism and aggressiveness? It is like being calm when you house is on fire.
>>51901093
good job italy, those sanctions hurt the EU countries the most anyways
>>51905633
yes, thank you Italy, only ordinary people feel bad because of sanctions, not rich assholes
>>51914162
focusing opposition while bombing ISIS to solely gain moral ground and prestige with your bare 10% of power doesn't make you any good.
if you are hitting 9 times to opposition while ISIS getting 1 of your missles. something is terribly wrong. FSA was fighting with ISIS until putin comes. they helped kurds too.
maybe you shouldn't leave your containment board :^)
>>51901752
>>51902396
>>51902710
Try to see it as a price for Unicredit and other Italian companies to make profit in Poland (which it is).
>>51915245
That's still better than not hitting ISIS and buying them oil, Mehmed.
>>51915239
In Western Europe things are the other way round: sanctions make prices lower, so they are neutral or good for average people. The only butthurt group are owners of corporations, banks and their leashed dogs: politicians who are mixed in less shady and more shady business-connections with Russian oligarchy
>>51915301
>le turkey buying oil from ISIS meme
>>51915327
what about farmers?
>>51915418
What about them?
http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/40926/eu-agrifood-exports-at-record-level/
>>51904943
They were Brits in denial
>>51914029
Mais non
>>51903417
But we like yuo.
>>51902959
>we don't fall for the anti-russia propaganda
So every other European country is brainwashed by anti-Russian propaganda and only your country is right?
>>51904328
You are just buuthurt because they are bombing your favourite terrorists. Btw I simply don't believe that Anglo propaganda, they bomb ISIS just the same as the rest since all of them are your terrorists.
>>51902446
>bestest ally
don't go that far, they're still our bitches, even if they're being naughty
>>51915941
Western Europe doesn't want to obey you anymore :(
***
Europe must improve its relationship with Russia, and should not let this be something decided by Washington, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said on Thursday (8 October).
"I know from my conversations with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin that he (does not accept) phrases like when Barack Obama said Russia was a regional power. What does that mean? You can't talk about Russia like that," Juncker said.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/juncker-we-cant-let-eu-relations-russia-be-dictated-us-318364
>>51914164
How is LNG even viable with oil prices such low as now?
>>51916050
Gas is cheaper as well, including LNG. It is a long term investments. We are currently in the process of massive diversification of energy to become possibly most independent from Russian supplies and guarantee ourselves a healthy competition on our market
http://www.tradearabia.com/news/OGN_292320.html
>>51916085
>http://www.tradearabia.com/news/OGN_292320.html
German doggy doesn't like it :D
They would love to divide us politically, economically and energetically with their Russian buttbud ;)
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/world/germany-saudi-extremism/
>>51915378
>bomb goes off in Turkey
>fuckin terrorists, we gonna show you, ISIS
>bomb kurds instead and open corridor for ISIS to keep the smuggling going on
I fuckin believe it.
>>51916085
I don't understand how LNG gas can compete with natural gas. Huge investments have to made made to build LNG terminals and energy has to be used to transfrom gas into liquid form. Formal logic says it will always be more expensive than natural pipeline gas.
>>51916230
>I don't understand how LNG gas can compete with natural gas.
How a ship-transported oil from Saudi Arabia can compete with pipe-oil that we buy from Russia? Somehow it can! That's why we buy Saudi oil for price almost 2x lower than official price of Brent. Saudis want to fight for a share in our energy market. Why should we oppose it? Let free market work! There are people in Europe who don't want low energy prices because they are bribed/corrupted by Russia. We shouldn't listen to such people.
EU should cooperate with russia and stop childlish games. it will be beneficiary for both of us.
who cares what poland wants, they are psychotic.
>>51916320
>it will be beneficiary for both of us.
It will be beneficiary mostly for Russia and suicidal for Europe
As a fellow red-white country I must say that Poland is truly the light of the world
>>51914541
Britain really can't win either way though.
If they praise Putin they get called out on being overseas Kremlinbots, if they criticize Putin they get called out as ISIS loving refugees. People don't even question whether the UK is even looking out for her own interests anymore, just which other country is manipulating them.
>>51916320
Russia was given a chance. 2009 Hillary-made--reset was all about it. Administration of mr Obama liberalized all military treaties that could be considered by Russia as a danger, it resigned from building antirocket shield in Poland, invited Russia to WTO and helped Russia to build its wealth with using high energy prices. Russia was babysitted by the USA for 5 years in hope that it will help Russia to become a member of our community.
And what was the result? Russians "reseted" Crimea, Russians "reseted" Donbass, Russians try to "reset" Ukraine currently and they are "resetting" Syria with using bombs in order to save ass of their Assad-puppet.
It is not exactly what we expected from Russia, is it?
>>51911702
Yes, we want to be more brownskinned in the future, like Italians. Is it so bad?
>>51901093
Tell me, when in the last 100 years where Italians not fucking backstabbers?
>>51918086
WE
>>51902959
>excuse me but we don't fall for the anti-russia propaganda
Where is this "anti-russian propaganda" if 99% people from West i ever met are fanatically pro-Russian? Maybe your media smuggle these attitudes with using subliminal messages? ;)
But seriously, i heard pracitically all kind of bullshit about Russia already. This bullshit must be generated somewhere: tinfoil Internet sites established by Russian secret service, all kind of discussion groups, i don't know exactly. but it is the case.
1) Russia was presented already as a "shielf of Christianity" although barely 2% Russians go to church (for comparison, in Poland, almost 70%), most of Russians are atheists, who insult Jesus and christianity not less aggressively than ultraorthodox Jews. I spent some time with Russians and i know how they treat Christianity calling it "religion of the weak and stupid". Russians are very sovietized and atheized. The fact that new Russian regime wants to be perceived as "christian" doesn't make it christian. Russia is ruled by people who have a lot of blood on hands, Russia as a country is second biggest producer of child porn and probably the biggets violator of human rights in Europe: human being is reduced to walking meat in Russia
2) Russia was presented as a "hope of white race", although this country practices policy of open border and is barely flooded bu all kind of asian-muslim people from countries where average salary oscilates around 50 dollar per month. Russian government supports this brutal process because it doesn't care about ethnical structure of Russian society at all that is multiethnical anyway.
3) Russia is a hope against islam. This is probably the funniest bullshit i hear constantly from people brainwashed by Russian propaganda. Russia has more muslims as counted absolutely and in percent of population than _any_ Westerneuropean country and this population grows rapidly
>>51918338
Last but not least
4) Russia as a "Jew-hunter", a country that is somehow non-Jewish or even opposing Jews. It is completely irrational to talk such things about country that has more Jewish multibillioneurs than USA and contributes more Jewish genes to Israel than any other country in this world.
>>51904848
>implying anyone can keep dindus in check
Why are Slavs so butthurt about Russia?
At the moment they're probably the most sane country in Europe.
>>51918661
>in Europe.
>>51918661
When exactly they act "sane"? When they violate your airspace to check your defences and the only thing your government is able to do is to nicely protest?
>>51918604
Worked pretty well when we still considered them cattle
>>51908379
That's partly true, Putin here is admired mostly by extreme right-wing ignorant people who fall for literally every hoax addressed to him aimed to enhance his reputation. Since extreme-right wing thought is increasing a lot due to terrorism and immigration, as a result the average Italian loves Putin and his edgy attitude
>>51919039
It is truly an irony of history and example of Russian policy's perfidy that a KGB-guy who yet 30 years ago worked on demoralizing the West and installing there cryptomarxists presents himself today as a "protector of Western world" - >>51913492
>>51918338>>51918380
>>51918380
>that has more Jewish multibillioneurs than USA
Don't be stupid.
>>51919039
>extreme right-wing
Are you saying that lega nord is extreme right? Kek
>>51916307
You aren't answering anything with that. LNG GAS, NOT OIL was the question.
>>51920583
LNG price is determined by oil price as well
>>51920195
Of course not in absolute numbers but in percentage
>>51918338
>3) Russia is a hope against islam. This is probably the funniest bullshit i hear constantly from people brainwashed by Russian propaganda. Russia has more muslims as counted absolutely and in percent of population than _any_ Westerneuropean country and this population grows rapidly
I just wanna adress this point.
Muslim population of Russia
>6.5% of the total population (2012 )
Muslim population of France
>according to a poll 4% identified as Muslim
>however nobody believes that as estimates of the number of Muslims in France widely vary; the French Ministry of the Interior estimated the total number of people of Muslim background to be between 5 and 6 million (8–10%) in 2003
Why are you so full of shit? You hate Russians, we got it, but no need to spread blatant lies about them, there's so many other bad things about them that are true, like what they did at Katyn, why you need to make up lies?
>>51901093
Thank you based Italy and citizens of Italy.
>This thurst for blood coming from Poland
First thy support states in ME and then complain about refugees.
Now they want to desintegrate and turn to new ME 17mln sq.km more to add few dozens of millions new refugees and instability to 1/6 of the Earth. Isn't it obvious that Poland is a bad guy, huh?
>>51920753
Wut
How does that answer adress the question of LNG gas being more expensive than natural pipeline gas? LNG terminals needs huge investment and energy to convert gas into liquid form. I'm genuinely interested how LNG gas can be cheaper than Russian gas for example.
>>51920999
Poles can't understand that economy always prevailes over politics and that's why Germany and the USA are so rich. There are no "demons" and evil countries for them if they can get cheap resources or any other benefit from them (see Saudi Arabia).
>>51901093
Russia has sealed its defeat, they have invited Italy to join their side
>>51918338
>1) Russia was presented already as a "shielf of Christianity" although barely 2% Russians go to church (for comparison, in Poland, almost 70%), most of Russians are atheists, who insult Jesus and christianity not less aggressively than ultraorthodox Jews. I spent some time with Russians and i know how they treat Christianity calling it "religion of the weak and stupid". Russians are very sovietized and atheized. The fact that new Russian regime wants to be perceived as "christian" doesn't make it christian. Russia is ruled by people who have a lot of blood on hands, Russia as a country is second biggest producer of child porn and probably the biggets violator of human rights in Europe: human being is reduced to walking meat in Russia
THis one is bullshit, true only about "lthough barely 2% Russians go to church"
>2) Russia was presented as a "hope of white race", although this country practices policy of open border and is barely flooded bu all kind of asian-muslim people from countries where average salary oscilates around 50 dollar per month. Russian government supports this brutal process because it doesn't care about ethnical structure of Russian society at all that is multiethnical anyway.
This one is for real, true.
>3) Russia is a hope against islam. This is probably the funniest bullshit i hear constantly from people brainwashed by Russian propaganda. Russia has more muslims as counted absolutely and in percent of population than _any_ Westerneuropean country and this population grows rapidly
Yes, this is true again.
Our president praises Allah more than the God.
>4) Russia as a "Jew-hunter", a country that is somehow non-Jewish or even opposing Jews. It is completely irrational to talk such things about country that has more Jewish multibillioneurs than USA and contributes more Jewish genes to Israel than any other country in this world.
This is just some mad shit, did not understand.
>Italy butthurts the entirety of Europe and America with one word
POOLAND ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>51921186
"Polish" politics /=/ opinion of Poles.
>>51921172
Also, about Muslims.
Yes, their number grows. They breed in northern Caucasus, but the real problem is all the immigrants from churkastnas from Central Asia.
And our government is Ok with it, builds them mosques, invites them, does nothing to protect.
So basically almost the same as in Europe.
But.
We were a real EMpire with a fuckload of conquered nations.
And most of the lands with the muslim people remained in USSR and in Russian Federation.
So muslims are pretty natural for us. Sad but true.
What I want to say is that for France, for example. It is not natural. France was not of that scale of Empire, it was a colonial Empire. It lost its lands.
The lands it has now are totally it's borders, national borders. With totally French population and "Christian" people.
>>51921242
Average Poles are total idiots. If they ruled country, we would be second Ukraine/Belarus today>>51901093
>>51921718
If you didn't notice, average people are usually dumb.
Go to other countries and you'll see even more dumbshits. That's why sheeple needs it's shepherd. That's why democracy is weak and wrong.
>>51921124
Russia doesnt supply Poland with anything cheap, so we dont have to tolerate "russian devil" for profit.
idk lads
never liked hairy manlet italians, they don't like me as well, so it's nothing new
that's why EU will fail, it's too big and some parts won't give a shit about the other, and vice versa.
I mean I'd like to be a friend and help Italy in need but I just know, no, I'm over 100% certain they wouldn't give a shit about us.
>>51922052
We will be as "solidary" about refugee quotas as Italy and Germany are "solidary" about Russian problem
