Is there any hope for secularism in the MENA region?
>>51891818
When you become a republic Charles.
Yes but only if you have an oppressive dictator that whips durka-durkas into submission.
>>51891945
>khadaffi was secular meme
>bachar is secular meme
>Sadam was secular meme
>>51891945
>Morsi was secular meme
>Bouteflika is secular meme
>moubarak was secular meme
>ben ali was secular meme
i can think of Ataturk or Bourguiba
Yeah, because secularism has served the West so well
>>51892358
Being secular is not the problem. Trying to replace belief in God with belief in other things like climate change, proselytizing atheism, progressivism and a slew of other -isms is.
>>51891818
USA won't let that happen.
>>51892593
wHY?
>>51897285
Radical Muslims are good useful idiots.
>>51897408
>>51898226
>>51898613
This is 100% accurate, Russians are the real cockroaches
>>51892221
ben ali was secular 2bh
>>51898613
>>51891818
If there is one, it's going to rely on Israel.
That's clearly the most stable country in the reason.
>>51898613
>arabs getting collatoraly damaged
>bad
>>51891818
>Secularism
>Islam
Only under some dictators maybe.
>>51898989
you're talking about jordan
>>51891818
if you've ever visited turkey or the smaller gulf states, people in urban areas seem quite secular desu. they still have harsh laws for many small offences, but they're not Bedouin tribesmen either
>>51891818
Even Turkey is becoming Islamic and Turkey was beyond secular anti-Islamic between 1930 and 1960 and heavily secular until 2000s
>>51899189
Literally why? Why does Islam have such an appeal?
>>51899003
>is-real
>>51899597
Turks have been muslim for such a long time our language, culture governing system everything was designed to be Islamic but while Turkey was being converted to a anti-Islamic and secular state leaders said it was going to be great and we were going to be one of the greatest and most advanced nations on the Earth. But after a century people start thinking it's not working and returning to their roots
>>51899873
But can't you see how fucked up, savage and clearly not true Islam is? I understand keeping the cultural aspects like in the UK we're not religious but are very Christian culturally.
>>51899189
Turkey is still secular you idiot. The ideology of secularism is here is banning everything Islamic and act like a atheist community when we're %99 muslim. Erdoğan just let us live freely our religion. Christian Churches took their rights back and Alevi belief is now accepted by the government. AKP is not following Kemalism this is why you're butthurt.
>>51899873
worst analysis about turkey ive ever seen
please shut the fuck up
>>51899003
USA should glass your neighbors, march our army into Jerusalem, then rename it Aelia Capitolina.
Again.
>>51900200
I'm not that anon but he's kinda right. They used to teach like be secular = become world power.
>>51899983
Well according to Turks Islam is a very peaceful religion and what made Ottomans so powerful and get them to a place where they held the title of caliph for centuries.
>>51900313
WE WUZ ROMANS AND SHIEEET
>>51900354
>islam peaceful
>ottomans peaceful
>>51900440
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Ottomana
When the ottomans started leave Islam they started to lose.
>>51892358
Secular government has worked amazingly well. Post-colonial self-flaggelation hasn't
>>51900440
Your historians might tell otherwise but Turks think even non-muslims were greeted with utmost tolarance and everything was peaceful in Ottoman land so they want those days back again. You cant really blame people for wanting to be strong, rich and happy
>>51900639
I'm a Brit lad so I know what it's like to be a shithole that used to a glorious powerful empire but I have no delusions of the violence in empire.
>>51900561
when science and technology became power, ottomans started to lose
ottomans were strong only when violence was power
>>51900935
the Ottomans were into sience which is considered part of Islamic advises. They started to enjoy power and wealth instead of becaming way better.
>>51900720
Well at least UK is still one of the best countries in the world but Turkey is still struggling with basics. And there is no solid solution to any of these problems unless the country as a whole accepts a working philosophy which is for what people believe is Islam.
Funny enough according to a statistics every 2/3 young atheists in Turkey says that they believe in Allah which goes to showing that Turks have no idea that what they are doing
>>51901168
Didn't the Ottoman Empire start to decay really hard after all the achievements of their conquered peoples started to dry up?
You know, just like the Caliphate before them?
Islam is the very definition of parasitism, Muhammad himself was a merchant from one of the few truly tribal places left in the Near East, and once they conquered the Levant everything went towards emulation and getting fat off of others.
>>51900935
violence is technology
>>51901384
It was the corruption plus hedonism in the Ottoman Empire.
