Do your leftists in your countries still support islamists "because mah unfairness"? Here even the extremist left started shutting up after seeing them destroying ancient temples.
They've completely adopted the #notallmuslims way of thinking
We're doomed
>>51832877
So peaceful
>>51832877
I possess no understanding of why people defend Muslims.
Muslims in the West never get shot at or killed or raped, it's always vice versa. They never get lynched or anything.
Why defend them? They are in no way victims besides receiving rhetoric and calls for reform.
>>51832905
#notallmuslims implies that those men are Muslims, which they are not. This is not Islam, they are not Muslims. Educate yourself.
>>51832940
>Muslims in the West never get shot at or killed or raped, it's always vice versa. They never get lynched or anything.
kektus
>>51832877
islamists is not the same as muslim, you know?
>>51833072
I am pretty sure those men would disagree with you
>>51833072
That's like saying West Boro Baptists aren't Christian.
>>51832877
those temples are secularist and satanic worshiping sites
They need to be destroyed, all of them
>>51832877
>Do your leftists in your countries still support islamists
no they do not
our leftists are grown internally and not by the teachings of Mr. Shkelstein t. liberal left university professor.
So even our left despise the muzz .
NOT ALL MUSLIMS
>right-wing politician says that Muslim refugees are physically stronger than our youth, have more children and a culture/mentality different from ours
>the left calls him a bigot, a fascist, a nazi, demands apologies, claim they'll walk out of the parliament whenever he speaks, etc.
It's just starting in Croatia. Thank you for this gift, EU.
>>51834709
Same as Crusaders is not the same as christians or nazis and germans.
Doesn't matter if they want to kill you and detsroy your way of live.
The radicals are at fault but the moderats enable them, you don't see a worldwide christian terror network.
Just look at the list of terrorist attacks on wikipedia.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Terroranschl%C3%A4gen
>>51833072
They are , they decide you are a kuffar worth killing and you decide they are not true muslims.
You are borth wrong because you both are muslim as you identify as such and follow the Quran, what you do with it is different but would you say that the Inquisition then wasn't christian?
>>51834833
Let them scream, also why are they physically stronger?
Pls get data.
I thought Balkan mountain men are big guys.
>>51834986
>I thought Balkan mountain men are big guys.
for you
>>51834895
>Just look at the list of terrorist attacks on wikipedia.
literally all of them are made by islamists.
>>51834895
>Crusades
>Bad
No. Our entire country hates them, including most Muslims.
>>51834986
Sure, peasants around the Dinarics are. But cities like Zagreb and Rijeka are stacked with fags and chubbies.
>>51835079
Well, they did massacre a lot of christians that were ruled by the turks and just went crazy on jerusalem.
I do agree that Islam conquered more christian territory and should think about their victim role again.
They are still as batshit crazy here as before but since the peace process they have orchestrated had collapsed they are unelectable. Picrelated is a typical article in their pet ''newpaper''.
>The Jewish killers and torturers and their direct commanders act as they do with official permission. The Palestinian dead and tortured that they have left behind over the past 67 years also have grieving nieces and families for whom bereavement is a constant presence. In university hallways, shopping malls, buses, gas stations and government ministries, Palestinians don’t know which of the people they encounter have killed, or which and how many members of their families and their people they have killed.
This is written by Israeli Jews to explain why we should accept the random killing of our civilians.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.662364?v=12075C19142436F584C5A7265FD6DC09
>>51835122
In the Netherlands the left wing tries to encourage Muslims to fight extremism before it starts.
And the right wing wants to crack down on all Muslims, pretty much.
>>51832877
Yes, and they will till the bitter end.
>>51832877
Putin supports islamists here. They're growing in power.
>>51833072
But they are, they just have a different interpretation of Islam than many Muslims. They do take information from the Koran but ignore other parts however, that's true of mist religious followers.
>>51834895
>Crusaders is not the same as christians
>actual leftists
>supporting a religion
You got memed senpai
>>51835183
Wilders saved you country apparently.
>>51835166
Did those people at all have contact with palestininas that hate their guts just for being jewish?
>>51835079
This map is incorrect. No crusades on Christians are shown.
>>51835166
You have your cake, why don't you go ahead and eat it too?
>>51834709
Except all Islamists are Muslim even if not all Muslims are Islamist.
>>51835278
It was the right thing to do, but it is hardly a "turn the other cheek" thing.
>>51835312
>orthodux scum
>christian
>>51835304
>Did those people at all have contact with palestininas that hate their guts just for being jewish?
They probably masturbate to the thought of it. Sado-masochism is rife in leftist communities.
>>51835312
that was pest control not crusades
>>51835312
People disagree on the Teutonic knights a lot.
Yes. When attacked by jihadists here in the states, the question isn't brought up on how to fix Islamic extremism, or focus on solidarity and trading action against the agents overseas that orchestrate it.
Just the same tired argument on gun control.
>>51835425
Your gun laws and gun culture are just as retarded as those leftists
>>51835425
I have no idea about this guy, but is a meme candidate as this video implies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lix-ajZ4Sk
>>51835396
How exactly?
>>51834833
>physically stronger than our youth,
What??? Guys I know who fought in Afghanistan commented the Afghanis are weaker and generally can't run very far compared to Westerners. Granted with IEDs and ambushes they don't need to be but clearly they aren't stronger. So my question is do all Croatians have leukemia or something?
>>51835304
They are accepted as useful idiots by the PLO but Hamas would probably just kill them.
Picrelated later converted to Islam. The full circle from radical left to fanatical mudslim completed.
>>51835487
Some Historians don't count what they did as "real" crusades since it wasn't against infidels in the end and they misused their mandate to just play nation building (and genocide).
>>51835530
Your nation is still sane though.
I guess we still have to work through the brai nsurgery after all that nasty shoa business.
We just have to prove how non Nazi we are.
>>51835496
>comparing trained soldiers to the general overweight popualtion
>>51835474
When you say gun culture, you mean criminal culture. Learning responsibility, safety, and skill from my father with his 1911 he has since given me is gun culture. A dead 19yo lying dead on the side of an apartment block with crack on him isn't gun culture, it's crime culture.
>>51835148
The laws over Christians regarding things like who could marry who were pretty fucked too. Muslim guy can marry up to four of any women but Christian guy can only marry Christians. Christians can convert to Islam but not vice-a-versa. Christians who would already be paying tithes also have to pay Jiz tax. There are others too but I'm too lazy to search.
>>51835544
>since it wasn't against infidels
But we were heretics to them. It's like Polish who destroyed Churches in Ukraine and burnt books. Catholics.
>>51835613
There are plenty of fat Muslims too.
>>51833072
this meme needs to stop. all liberals are now saying "b-but they aint real muslims". read the fucking quaran and mohameds teachings. he was a fucking warlord.
>>51835482
He's the candidate of choice for young girls, and people who unironically think socialism is great. The same types that would point to Europe as a model for the US on everything and never learn what is bad over there, if you catch my drift.
>>51835626
You can easily convert by baptism, what are you smoking?
Monogamy is good and most importantly Islam is way more medieaval nowadays than christianity.
Stoning?Yes.Beheading?Yes.Hanging?Yes.Amputation of hand?Yes.
Islam began as a religion of conquerors wheras christianity began as a persecuted cult who is famous for its non violent martyrs in the earliest days.
As far as ideals go I take christianity, thank you.
>>51832877
Yes, our leftists are fucking retards
>>51835312
The map actually comes from a YouTube video and someone made a screenshot mid-video before they marked all the crusades. Also, it's kinda questionable for some wars whether they count as crusades or not.
>>51835354
It's Christian to die for others, though. Crusaders didn't defend themselves. Their original goal was chasing away the Muslims and giving all the land to the Byzantines. They did fuck up later on, but the original idea and the intention wasn't wrong.
>>51835312
If that were true you'd have to put all the internal battles in Islam.
>>51835595
Our media covered Le Pen victory as neo nazis coming to power but 99% of the comments section was people calling the reporters leftist idiots and saying that they would vote Le Pen too if they were French.
>>51835425
I'd like to additionally add that in the California terror attacks the news was quick to announce WHITE MALES WITH MILITARY ASSAULT GEAR, but I didn't even HEAR that they were Islamist jihadists until I went asking. Because white males who love guns are cool to see as the devil, not Muslims.
>>51835674
True but not the whole of europe followed through the way they did with jerusalem.
A crusade needs the official mandate of the pope and the Teutonic Knights sort of once got the allowance an then continued doing it until they started conquering christians.
It is like sending out a military unit that then decides to go rogue and sets up its own state.
Not that many people were against that, mind you.
But attacking Orthodox and catholics in frozen forests is far less appealing than reconquering jerusalem.
>>51835622
No, I'm talking about the trigger happy armchair psychopaths that are itching for the opportunity to murder someone for stepping on their property. The ease with which literal mentally ill people can aquire the sort of firearms that can extinguish 20 lives in 20 seconds. The ridiculous amount of violent crime is just another symptom of your violent and savage "culture". Literal savages.
>>51833072
Oh Bilel, what would i do without you
>>51832877
Hold up hold up, I haven't been on /int/ for a long time, why is a greek poster making a thread with no one responding with "pay debts turk"? /int/, /int/ has changed
>>51835750
Yes, the intentions were good as far as reasons for war go.
>>51835796
Heh, I seriously believe the general draft you have going helps most people to man up.
>>51835304
>Wilders saved you country apparently.
It was the murder on Pim Fortuyn which started all this desu.
>>51832877
leftist in my country were generaly about south slavic unity and worker selfmanagement
now there are no leftist except a few fringe parties and they are mostly about legal revizion of privatization, regulating the bank sector and some verzion of worker rights/selfmanagement
the hed 'left' party isnt realy left any more, they are just center neo-liberal, they are basicaly about doing what bruxeles tells them, jugling with state level projects and cutting deficit-increasing GDP, and then when theres nothing smart to say or any oposition to verbaly compete with in the media they have some muh minority logic, muh fighting corruption and regulating the bank sector and thats it
i seriously doubt any leftist, in my country or any sorounding countries, ever supported islamists, in any way, ever
honestly i dont get what in a hundred fucks are you on about ?
>>51835882
Here we now fear terror and don't get bombarded by "Denbts" news all the times.
Greece is now more important for not accepting Frontex help which could staunch the refugee flow.
I just wish we could go back before the financial crisis and build a huge fence around the EU.
>>51835924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn#Legacy
The first thing lefties did during the Sydney Siege was start a twitter trend making sure no one prosecuted muslims over it
Are all humans murderers because someone murders someone? No, stop blaming Muslims for the actions of terrorists. Islam = Peace.
>>51833072
>>51835985
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>>51836009
I can't read cockroach
>>51832877
No, and I suspect barely any in other countries do and most of the people who say are just mad and cynical enough to believe they do.
>>51835924
Fuck this , why can't our people see the light?
They fucked up the commies of the RAF too and discriminated leftists like hell.
Sure it was during the cold war, but where are all these balls now that were used back then?
>>51835847
>No, I'm talking about the trigger happy armchair psychopaths that are itching for the opportunity to murder someone for stepping on their property.
but this never happens.
>The ease with which literal mentally ill people can aquire the sort of firearms that can extinguish 20 lives in 20 seconds.
>muh school.shootings
insignificant. anyway, more shootings have been stopped by conceal carrying.citizens than not
>The ridiculous amount of violent crime is just another symptom of your violent and savage "culture". Literal savages.
gang culture is the problem. billy joe johnson the libertarian rancher in montana (an average legal gun owner that is) is not going to kill 10 people in a drive by shooting. that's tyrone lebweef the inner city gang member's (who owns guns illegally anyway)
not even american, or an ameriboo
>>51835847
Except the situation you conjured up isn't what is responsible for our violent crime rate. Crime-riddled sub cultures are what is responsible, and as non-PC add the reality is, that states with the cultural problems in the black community.
>>51835939
Thing is people in the west who colonised and weren't in danger of or atcually colonise by the Ottomans like a lot of the Balkans have to proof how nice they are by accepting multiculturalism.
I can understand that it happened to us and the French, with Nazis and Liberte Egalite etc but why the fuck are the swedes and British so accepting of masses of muslim immigrnats that change their cuclture?
>>51836078
This, thank you.
Why do you have a US flag though?
>>51836078
GO BERNIE
>>51835985
False equivalence. Next.
>>51836023
Islam literally translated to English means 'peace be upon you'
>>51836009
What does it say?
>>51836131
im an immigrant
>>51836142
That's wrong though lad? It means submission
>>51836187
"inshallah my fellow cockroaches the islamic state will rise!!!!"
>>51836187
On top left corner: Typical Turkish Muslim's view on Islamic countries in world.
On top of every country it says: This isn't real Islam, they understand Islam wrong.
On top of Turkey it says: Except me, I know what Islam is.
>>51836194
Which would make you an American now. You're one of us, welcome home. If you want to be that is.
>>51836078
>but this never happens.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102999/Prosecutor-Man-killed-trespasser-sought-confrontation.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Yoshihiro_Hattori
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/12/montana-homeowner-prison-killing-teen-trespasser/23309195/
etc.
>school shootings are insignificant
wow. this amount of delusion is surprising, even for a burger.
>gang culture is the problem
no, it's ONE of the many, many problems in your cancerous and violent culture.
>>51836194
>>51836131
We're about to witness the confusion that happens when an American is faced with the concept of someone being an American citizen without being American.
>>51836269
Americans have it easy, if you have citizenship you are american.
>>51836255
You're grasping at straws, trying to "catch him" on his absolute when the point is, is that the trend is far from what you envisioned and effort into your idea of the problem won't fix our situation.
>>51836142
islam means submissian to allah kaffir
>>51836252
i dont plan on staying. only thing i like about this country is guns and the wilderness
still, i hate gungrabbing faggots like him
>>51836255
good job, you have three incidents out of three million people. and yes, compared to the massive amount of gang violence
>>51836269
An American is an American if he has citizenship though, and conforms to American culture.
>>51836387
>i dont plan on staying. only thing i like about this country is guns and the wilderness
Good luck in your travels senpai.
>>51836324
i could easily drop my irish accent and be american if i was a citizen. i just choose not to be as i dont plan on staying
>>51836388
well i do neither of these твн
>>51836343
>You're grasping at straws
These are three high profile cases, mianly because the victims were overseas exchange students so they recieved international publicity. They aren't rare occurences by any means. Again, this isn't a problem anywhere else in the developed world. It's a problem specific to your culture.
>>51836387
See above.
>>51835896
The significant move of the educated middle class from left to right and the disdain of sjw ideas had occured with the dramatic rise in terrorism in the end of the 90s. They still have a strong hold on the media and academy but are unable to influence election results as before.
>>51835796
>Al Jazeera
Literally Fox News for the muds.
>>51833072
>A: "Muslims would never destroy ancient temples."
>B: "But I have irrefutable evidence that some Muslims have indeed destroyed ancient temples."
>A: "Ahhh, but no TRUE Muslim would destroy ancient temples."
>>51835796
>Al Jazeera
>our media
wew
>>51836506
Its the English version. The original arab one is El Qaida tier.
>>51836502
Good, that seems to happen here too.
Why are they so strong in the media and academics though?
To indoctrinate people?
>>51836511
the no true muslim fallacy
>>51836128
i dont know
if that shit happened here there would be blood in the gutters
we just let them pass for that exact reason, we cant hold them, not just cauze we have no way or means or money, but because there would be conflict and it would escalate, they cant stay here, it just practicaly and objectively would not function
the important thing that is being obfurscated by all the multi-kulti bullshit is precisely that yes, were all human, and THAT IS THE PROBLEM
humans are problematic, humans are potentialy dangerous to each other, and human populations never interact without violence and mutual discrimination
the truly retarded thing about multi-kulti isnt about rasism, xenophobia, homophobia, or wathever, its about defining human beings as generaly benign, unproblematic, its about politely ignoring inherent problems, and yet treating people exactly as if they are a problem that needs to be tolerated, since the logic of tolerance is a silent admission of someone actualy being a problem, hence the need to tolerate him
its oximoronic and absurd, and it is completely inadequate
it will not end well for any involved
>>51836388
But that should be only if he choses to consider himself American. If I migrated to USA and became a US citizen, I wouldn't behave out of the ordinary, but I still wouldn't call myself American. Citizenship and national identity are two separate things in most of the world.
>>51836533
I meant that our headlines were like in fucking El Jazira to make a stronger point.
>>51836496
high profile=/=high occurence. school shootings are high profile, but they are pretty rare compared to regular shootings
i understand your mindset however. you believe that if you had a gun, you would be a triggy happy retard and you project this onto everyone else and use minority cases to prove you are not abnorm. i know because i used to think like that (thanks to being raised by a soccer mom) and have seen it in others
>>51836585
I agree and people will probably learn it, our societies were just to well working for the majority to realise that bad stuff happens.
But this is changing, people realise that most solved breaking and entering crimes are comitted by eastern euros, people steal zoo animals and 80% of the refugees have no formal education what soever.
But luckily our bureaucracy is a bitch, it turns slowly but they will hopefully start kicking out people soon as they are out of dnager of freezing.
>>51836496
>These are three high profile cases, mianly because the victims were overseas exchange students so they recieved international publicity. They aren't rare occurences by any means.
I want you to look up the FBI Violent Crime statistics by race. Then I want you to realize blacks have their own subculture and recognize it glorifies gangs and crimes.
>Again, this isn't a problem anywhere else in the developed world. It's a problem specific to your culture.
Which is why we should address the cultural areas responsible.
>>51836635
I own several guns you moron. It's you who's projecting and resorting to strawmen because you have no argument.
>>51836586
True
>>51836715
>i own several guns
either youre the biggest fudd ive ever met or youre lying
>>51836564
Because those are fields where intelligent people are not required to demonstrate any irl results. Its like churches and monasteries of the liberal religion. Detached theorists that develop elaborate theories without being responsible for actual results. This always breads false superiority complex and dogmatic fanatism.
>>51836809
If you read what I posted, you'd have seen I wasn't advocating mass gun control, it wouldn't even work in the USA. I'm saying that the violence is a part of American culture. The Swiss can handle being given guns because they're not a country of trigger happy psychopathic infants.
>>51836846
Good argument.
I changed from social sciences to medical shit because it seemed to a large degree be not practically applicable and it was mostly about boxing your own theoreme through.
>>51836911
what i'm saying is that the difference in culture isn't "lol le fat americans are le crazy xDDDDD" but that americans have a huge gang problem.
i dont have more time.to argue however, i have a job.
>>51836969
good for you
>>51836911
I think we're agreeing and we don't quite understand it.
We both agree that the problem is culture.
Look here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43#disablemobile
And see that there is a disproportionate crime rate amongst a group, but it isn't the one you propose.
>>51837038
Why aren't hispanics represented? Or are they counted as white these days?
>>51837178
Likely counted as white. Never quite understood it though, I get making the more Iberian Hispanics white, but where does that leave the Amerindians?
>>51837178
>Why aren't hispanics represented? Or are they counted as white these days?
something like that
>>51835847
I think you should walk through a neighborhood on the South side of Chicago or pretty much any other city and get back to everyone on how you feel about being able to legally own a firearm.
>>51832940
>Muslims in the west never get shot at or killed or raped
Do you live under a rock?
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/23/france-sees-increase-in-antimuslim-attacks.html
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/01/3726648/islamophobia-since-paris/
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/mosque-peterborough-fire-1.3320013
>>51834709
Mehmet...
>>51836954
You made the right choice. I had a sociology proffesor that was a minor celebrity and was interviewed on tv from time to time, but he had absolutely no understanding on how to control a 100 people classroom. He would throw tantrums and storm out from the class if people talked and made noise. I learned more on how to control a group of people when I was a 19 year old sergent in the army than this ''renowned'' idiot with his sociology of the group doctorate.
>>51837302
>>51837313
Holy shit that was a joke. I was thinking of throwing a :^) at the end but I thought the tone was sarcastic enough. Bravo America.
>>51837346
Well, as long as Saudi Arabia threatens Missionaries with death I won't feel particularily bad about this.
Also look at the continously fallingn umbers of copts and other arabic christians.
Istanbils community or even the once mainly christian lebannon.
Not that this sucks, but muslims also lack perspective not only the west.
Daiyl reminder Saudi Arabia takes in no refugees but offered to build 200 Mosques for them here.
i hate them so much and their shitty version of islam.
>>51837346
If you compare the death tolls of "islamophobic backlash" and actual terrorism (not to mention Islamic crime) the scales will be heavily tipped in one direction
>>51837411
So what you blame all Muslims for what Saudi Arabia does? Arabs only make up 12% of all the Muslims in the world. Holding random Muslims in the West responsible for what people like ISIS does is exactly what terrorists want. You morons are playing into their hands.
>>51837379
It is still an interesting field, don't get me wrong.
I was sadly unfit for service and couldn't join the Luftwaffe likem y father and grandfather.
But well, what can you do.
Thanks for the talk, I have to walk the dog now.
Good luck and a nice day to you.
>>51837446
Dude, countries without a big muslim community have no islamist attacks.Most are homegrown in these countries.
The west would be better of without them.
This is said without any bad emotion on my part, it is a simple equation.
If we replaced them with standard french or german people we would be better of.
But now they live here and we have to deal with it.
Will be back in an hour or so than we can continue talking.
radical islam is a mix of poltical attitude and religion, it is truly comparable to fascism and lefties should aknowledge that openly.
>>51836142
>>51837436
>>51837436
Sure m8 nobody is arguing that. I'm not saying that Islamic terrorism isn't an issue what I'm saying is that how we handle it matters. This isn't even sjw muh feelings crap here, this is just pragmatism. Going full retard as electing some crazy far right party and imposing all kinds of anti-Muslim laws isn't going to help, it will make things worse. The reason why this terrorism is able to thrive is because groups like ISIS feed off of the resentment that Muslims in the Middle East feel towards the west over the fact that the west is constantly fucking with them. They also feed off of the resentment of Muslims in the West who feel marginalized and like second class citizens. Marginalizing them even more is only going to create more resentment and make terrorism worse.
When Obama says that ISIS isn't Islamic he isn't being an sjw, he's trying to make them not seem like a viable option for disgruntled Muslims.
The only way to fix this in the long term is to try to lessen the feelings of alienation of Muslims in the West and stop sticking out dicks in the Middle East.
>>51833072
le no true scotsman meme
>>51837604
How did they get one back then?
A gift?
>>51838456
Or we could just make the west Islam free. At the end of the day, they're the only ones bombing people because of religion, the problem lies with them not us.
