>right-wing, anti-immigration parties are moving into power across europe
>meanwhile the German government is going to ban Germany's only remotely right-wing party
Yes, banning political parties is a thing here
http://news.yahoo.com/germanys-top-court-hear-case-banning-far-npd-154328666.html
Also I will probably get arrested just for making this post. It was nice knowing you guys
Democracy until you like it, goyim.
>>51824934
What the actual fuck. How can one ban a political party? Freedom of speech, anyone?
>>51826883
once a nazi always a nazi
>>51825002
>That head shake of disapproval and callous handling of flag
Why are political assassinations not a thing in your country anymore, Germany?
Just do what they did here and ignore the outcome of an election.
>>51826883
Same way a certain someone gets 130% of the votes.
>>51824934
I'm really starting to hate Germany more with each day
>tfw no German diaspora
HEI HEI HEI
NATSEILLE EI
>germany is just one predictable cycle
>>51824934
We get that you're sorry for WW2 already Germany, please fucking stop.
Might as well go back to a one party system at the rate Germany is going.
>>51824934
Germany becomes a diversity nazi, killing all who oppose immigration and forcing mix raced marriages onto people, and teaching how mixing races creates a stronger human genetically.
>>51825002
based merkel,
and people call her a populist
>>51826989
146% to be perscise.
>>51826883
Freedom of speach is not unlimited and having a party is not part of free speach it's another branch of 'freedoms' - right of representation.
>>51825002
What's wrong with this old bitch?
Now I'm proud of our leader.
>>51824934
lol these lefty loonies are about to get fucked up the ass super hard
and no ones goign to miss them. :D
I'm ok with this. Go Merkel, fuck up Germany. The Polish blood in her took over and now she's gonna crash germony with no survivors.
>>51829063
Germany has a different idea of nationalism due to it's past,
flag waving and jingoism is viewed as vulgar and as the behavior of lesser insecure nations with something to prove.
For someone who hates Nazis, they sure act like them a lot.
>>51829127
This would be catastrophic.
>>51829137
hmm it's 2015
>>51824934
NO, GOYIM
>>51824934
This will embolden the radical mudslims and make the neo nazis more desperate and violent. So, webms of neonazis burning mosques and isis beheading neonazis soon.
Noice.
I hust hope that production of cars and submarines will not be disrupted.
>>51824934
>banning opposition parties
Isn't it what the nazis did too?
Fucking kraut scumbags. And the have the gall to say we are turning into Hitlers.
>>51824956
Zieg Heil!
>>51829176
Maybe for Russian alliances in Europe.
>>51829185
yurop is a cancer
islam is the answer
merchant
How bad are npd though? The article basically makes them sound Hitleresque
Do they really hate jews?
>>51829247
it rimes
>>51829349
Who doesnt hate jews?
fucking muslims
>>51829395
I don't hate Jews. But also we don't get them here so I don't know any
>>51829349
>Do they really hate jews?
Does it really matter?
They wave German flags, just like the nazis did.
They have rallies, just like the nazis did.
They think of strong Germany, just like the nazis did.
They are in opposition to what Merkel stands for, just like the nazis would do.
All in all they could start burning synagogues this instant and it would change nothing.
>>51829349
They are an unelectable meme party. The only real right wing party in Germany is the AfD. NPD on the other hand is more or less "/pol/ the party". Failed existences crying about how foreigners steal their jobs and woman, while the party regulary falls more or less apart, because of conflicts between the members.
>>51829395
adults
We're sorry, Germany. We had no idea fucking you up after WW2 would result in this.
good!
Idiotic right-wing mouvements have no place in Europe!
>>51824934
>meanwhile the German government is going to ban Germany's only remotely right-wing party
NPD is literally beeing kept artificially alive by BND undercover agents.
Anybody who votes for NPD votes for our secret service
![Neonazi-Aufmarsch-in-Hannover_ArtikelQuer[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5VqrlNx.jpg "Neonazi-Aufmarsch-in-Hannover_ArtikelQuer[1].jpg")
>>51829471
They are actually exactly like the nazis
>>51829538
You were quite happy with us when we banned all communist parties though.
>>51829538
shhhhhhhh my failed yuro colony, no tears now, we're crashing this plane, with no survivors.
>>51829538
WW2 has nothing to do with this.
This is our own fault
>>51824934
How can you ban a party?
>>51829738
it can't get into voting lists
>>51824934
Good. Russia has been supporting them to divide EU.
Supporting crazy ones, Russia is more dangerous.
>>51824934
AfD will just get the votes instead
So right wing will just grow
They should start forming an undergerground government just like we did under communist occupation.
Then start making demands from there.
You will not reason with these leftist lunatics, all they understand is brutal force.
And it is with brutal force they must be dealt with.
Is there any equivalent to Front National in Germany ? If not it's the time to get one. You are not as fucked as we are so hurry up Germany, save your country
>>51829738
Germany's constitution actually mentions and defines political parties which is very unusual.
>>51829807
No, they are actually banned and you can go to prison if you continue to work for the party or show your support.
OP conveniently forgets to mention a number of things about this story.
First, the NPD are blatant skinhead "let's beat up all foreigners" nazis and openly call for demolishing the state. Whether that's a good idea or not is up of course up to interpretation, but a party like that should not be eligible to receive government funding.
In fact, there already was an attempt to ban them some years ago. It turned out though that you couldn't do that without convicting a bunch of contacts working for the federal security service. Renewing the process now is mainly a case of the government screwing up so badly that it took years to get another trial on track.
It also doesn't have a chance in hell of ever reaching the popularity of the FN, with it's votes during the last federal election clocking in at a lower percentage than a party whose defining characteristic was it's focus on internet issues. On most polls these days it shows up under "Misc." with a percent point or two, so OP presenting it as the one right-wing party all German voters could turn to is more than just a bit unrealistic.
All things considered, the ban could turn out to be a blessing for the political right in Germany, since former NPD-voters might turn to the AfD, which is a lot more comparable to the FN in that it is conservative, focused on traditional values and is actually on it's way to building a decent voter base.
tl;dr The NPD had it coming for ages and the ban could very well prove to be benificial to the one right party that actually has a chance of succeeding in a federal election.
But of course that isn't half as fun to read about as yet another message of liberal doom from Germany.
The Germany's decision was sensible. France is likely to be taken over by anti-EU NAZI (Russia).
>>51829955
That's fucked up.
>>51829914
No.
It's their choice, let them exist/stop existing/do what they want.
I mean wak Germany or weak western Europe isn't that bad for us.
>>51830049
>Party gains popularity
>Gets banned
>"The Germans want it that way"
Poland no
>>51824934
I'd bet not even stormfags care about NPD anymore you dumb shit.
>>51824956
>Also I will probably get arrested
oh I get it, you're just trolling
>>51830031
Why?
>>51830049
we are your friends
why would you benefit from your friends beeing weak?
>>51830110
Well I bet that there are more Germans that would ban it then Germans that would vote for it.
>>51830139
>If the people desire change we disagree with, oppress them
Maybe?
>>51827034
It's not the first party banned.
We already banned the KP and the NSDAP for example.
The NPD might get banned, because they are realy stupid.
Once NPD is banned their supporters will poison other Rightwing parties that have a chance to get into parliament (AFD) .
It's a virus strategy, the idea is to destroy the AFD by forcing the real NAZIS to enter this party.
There is almost no support for violent halfapes, so the AFD would die.
>>51830031
Muslims in Europe are troublesome, but being taken a country over by anti-EU NAZI (Russia) is more horrible.
>>51830139
Be careful for Russiaboos.
>>51830160
For the time being, sure. But if the upward trend continues, as it has been throughout Europe, the majority of Germans will end up unrepresented in the government
>>51830157
Yes I'm friends with German people, but I'm not friends with German establishment that wants to make Europe arab and strike deals with Russia. I don't wish for you to be poor but it would be better for Poland if Germany would focus more on it's inner politics then outer.
>>51830175
But they are literally nazis and criminals.
Also it's against the law to abolish Germany and that is what they want.
>>51830110
It didn't gain poularity. In fact it lost most of it's members in the last year to the AfD.
>>51829955
>>51829955
>No, they are actually banned and you can go to prison if you continue to work for the party or show your support.
Only if you support it through money and working for them or is even voicing support for them illegal?
>>51830214
So you don't believe democracy is the way to go?
>>51830228
I stand corrected
>>51826883
Plenty of right wing russian parties were banned by Putin.
>>51829137
How come you know?
Or did you try to banter, while you end up hitting the nail just right, accidentally?
>>51830209
Then you should be in favor of German getting a gouvernment that is tougher on immigrant issues.
Also, personally, I think that good relations with Russia is the best security Eastern Europe can have.
>>51830206
We don't know what will happen. The trend of turning right is a fact due to Hungary, Poland and now France. But Germany isn't turning right and Markel stands tall.
What they would do in the future dosn't count if they got a chance to fuck their country up right now.
>>51829395
Czechs, they are allies.
>>51829189
>Isn't it what the nazis did too?
But this the RIGHT party banning the WRONG party. ITS DIFFERENT!
>>51830049
I dont really care about this shit pseudo "country" my dear comrade
it's a place of misery waiting to be put out of it.
It should be caged up so the sick parts of it dont spread to civilized worlds and contaminate them as well.
>>51830214
Russia is more terrible than Muslims and original NAZI.
>>51830252
>I think that good relations with Russia is the best security Eastern Europe can have
Not really. Shroeder is a proof of that.
Politics go corrupt for oil money and countries that get shat on because 2 other shake hands over their heads aren't that irrelevant anymore. There's much more people living between Russia and Germany than in Germany or Russia and the world goes foward, you can't just pretend there' a empty spot there like with the Ukrainian crysis which was proved that eastern politics without central-eastern countries are doomed to fail.
>>51830251
I talk with you fucks here all the time, I've come to understand you to some degree.
I also happen to agree with that stance, flag waving distracts from what patriotism should be, it's "we wuz kings and sheet" tier.
Love for ones nation should not come from pride, it should come from the love for it's 'way of life'.
>>51830229
It's the same law that bans swastikas and SS-Runes because those are the signs of the Nazi party and SS.
>>51830290
According to your dunderstanding around 5% of the world is civilized?
>>51830337
I think it is in best interest of people who live between Russia and Germany to have good relations with Russia.
Especially, since you are both slavs, it is really sad that you hate each other so much
>>51830367
*understanding
>>51830247
Didn't you read the constitutional articel I posted earlier?
All parties have to be democratic or they are banned.
>>51830382
lol fuck russia
I pray every night Turks slaughter a fuckloads of them and grab their clay.
>>51829349
They are as much a Party as Scientology is a Religion.
The NPD and the DVU(another NPD like party) exists for exactly 3 purposes:
-Get money from the dumbest people in existence through membership and merchandising.
-Get statemoney for the votes they get and for selling inside informations to the German intelligence.
-Allow the top members to live a generous live financed by the state and the members of the party...
>>51830402
Sorry, I misunderstood the constitution, you're right
>>51830426
They are people like you and me, with their own dreams, ambitions and loved ones.
I don't understand why you wish them harm
>Germany is getting culturally """"""""enriched"""""""" in your life time
>the german exchange students that come to my uni might become muslims
dayum shame
>>51830382
We dislike Russia because we know Russia. Their panslavic bs will be a thing until they're either plit into smaller countries or destroyed.
Until then they will always try to stir shit up.
That's why I don't like the German point of view on the East. You always had a Russian complex and what Germany is doing right now and did with Ukraine is 19th century tier politics where the bigger ones shake hands even though it dosn't concern them.
>>51830466
russians are not people, they're rabid animals that resemble people.
>>51830434
And honeypot ;)))
>>51830490
this
>>51830426
>>51830490
this is why people are ok with natsocs being banned,
it's tribalism and zero sum thinking on a macro scale
>>51830426
So everyone going one step towards the otherone until everyone meets at the same distance is no option?
>>51830479
This. However Russiaboos hate Muslims, they don't know Russia/USSR has to do something with the affairs.
>>51829185
Oh no radical mudslims and neo nazis will join forces to exterminate merchants
>Try to curtail free speech
>Try to ban parties you don't agree with
>Call other people Nazis
Liberals, ladies and gentlemen.
>>51824934
NPD deserves to be banned.
They are retarded and as long as they are a thing rightwing will never be mainstream.
Ban those white niggers desu.
>>51830552
tribalism is life
bulgarshit
you think you can walk into a foreign country with a long lineage of pride in their culture and make your shitty vodka language their fist and keep them oppressed by your hobo poorfag boots without resistance and bloodshed?
deal with it you stupid commie motherfucker
>>51830479
Don't you thin it would be prefereable to make Russians friends instead of destroying them?
I find it hard to believe that you would be indifferent to all the suffering that the second option would cause to Russian people
>>51826883
KPD (gommies) are banned here for quite long already.
Parties that are against our constitution are not legal.
This is nothing new for the Frauhrer.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/30/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-mic-confronting-mark-z/
>>51830382
Only way to have a good relationship with Russia is to be as strong as Russia or be far away from them.
Germany is moderately close, but also quite strong (both military and economically) so your relations are rather good and you can work together to try fucking over lesser players.
Poland is a bit closer and is a bit weaker and our situation is already a great deal worse.
Ukraine got fucked hard. Whatever mickey mouse republics there are in the Kaukasus are fucked over to Sunday (or however the saying goes).
Chinks might be a partner but the likes of Kazakhstan will always be on the receiving end.
Russia is big and strong, has things others desire and is well aware of all that. It's a cynical but smart player.
Unlike the EU which only serves to better the wellbeing of strong players like Krautmany and England.
Cheers.
>>51830658
that's what tribals though until nations became a thing
that's what nations thought before they started blobbing into unions and federations
culture changes inevitably, lineage gets broken
Bulgaria has not been Bulgar for centuries, there is only now
>>51830767
So it's a good thing that we have EU.
This way, Poland doesn't need to face Russia alone, but can interact with it as part of a strong Union.
Of course, for this to happen, it would be helpful if Poland tried to maintain good relations with Russia and not go out of their way to antagonize them
>>51830767
six ways from/to/till Sunday
>>51824934
whole Germany should be banned
>>51830659
A weak country can't make Russia a friend. It can become a docile customer but that's all.
Poland is incapable of destroying Russia. Something like that could've been achieved at some point in history, but that's long long past.
>Russian people
Polish anti-Russia sentiments were never geared towards the people.
>>51830824
I'll say it again
Stupid dumb pinko commie mother fucker
kill thyself
>>51830893
Finland seems to have relativly normal relations with Russia for quiet some time now
>>51830659
History proved, many times, that it's impossible t obefriend Russians if you border them. That's why we got this concept of buffer states between them and us and that's why we help Ukraine in their struggle. In history, when Ukraine was independent state Russia was ALWAYS weak.
You need to understand that even if Russia is split you can still use it's resources, and hell, get a even better deal out of it. Guess who will be the most influential country in that part of the world, and that country is far less crazy then Russia and, wink wink, your ally.
>>51830767
>Unlike the EU which only serves to better the wellbeing of strong players like Krautmany and England.
:)
>>51830927
make me,
we can meet in the UK during our work breaks, no?
>>51830994
I'd drop you like the worthless shit you are before you'd know what hit you
cocksucker
>>51829998
>yet another message of liberal doom from Germany
I implore you to help my burger brain understand.
Germany is nominally democratic -- so what is the purpose of banning a political party? Shouldn't it be up to the people of Germany whether or not they gain any power?
I can understand the logic if elections in Germany are government funded but that still leads to a situation of judicial dictatorship.
>>51830955
>History proved, many times, that it's impossible t obefriend Russians if you border them.
You don't border them, do you?
>You need to understand that even if Russia is split you can still use it's resources, and hell, get a even better deal out of it.
Pretty sure that eastern part of Russia will fall under Chinese influence. Also, even if it was a better deal, we cant ignore all the suffering such an event would cause to Russian people
>>51830978
He might have written it in a harsh way, but the fact is that Germany companies get the highest loans from EU to invest or buy out companies from countries that recently joined, then they shut the factories down and just take their brand.
>>51830869
It would be a good thing that we have EU if it wasn't a echo-chamber for you to farther your own petty agendas.
Also, whatever you try to say about it, Poland-Russia relations are as good as they can, since, as stated, we either become a sputnik to them or a mortal enemy.
>>51830879
Remembered it was Sunday.
Thanks!
>>51831098
:--DDDD
>>51831114
Well, Finland was on its own during Cold War and yet they managed to maintain neutral relations with Soviet Union and even profit from trading between Eastern and Western block.
I mean, Poland lays between Russia and Germany, to me, it seems like Poland would profit greatly from more German-Russian trade
>>51831092
>we cant ignore all the suffering such an event would cause to Russian people
Of course we can't and that's why you'd gladly accept another 3-4 million of poor suffering immigrants. Don't say otherwise, Germany, don't turn into Reich once again.
>>51831092
>You don't border them, do you?
Yes we do. I'm from Olsztyn I see Russians every day, most new citizens getting their passports here are from 3 countries Russia, Ukraine and Germany. With Ukraine and Russia making up, like, 80% of them.
>>51831092
>Pretty sure that eastern part of Russia will fall under Chinese influence. Also, even if it was a better deal,
I agree, but there a few things you might consider:
- non big city Russia is insanely poor, they already suffer;
- countries that would emerge, like some northern "Novogorod-Petersburg" Russia would have a chance to be top tier, much better then now;
- EU countries would get big numbers of white immigrants.
>>51831174
I would rather prevent events that turn 3-4 million people into refugees
And quiet frankly, I think it is pretty evil that you want that many people to suffer just because you feel butthurt about russia
>>51824934
SK also banned a political party a while ago iirc
>>51831169
Finland was protected by the West and had a Scandi lobby behind it's back.
We got only /v4/ +Romania and they're in the same situation. I don't mention the Balts because they're far too small.
>>51831092
Last time I checked Ostpreussen was Russian
>>51831071
It's been mentioned throughout the thread, but I'll say it again. Because of our "Wehrhafte Demokratie" (as descibed in >>51829955), the state does not have to support and tolerate political parties whose declared intent is the destruction of our democratic system. The Communist Party got banned for the same reason.
>>51831297
You are also protected by both NATO and EU.
>>51831236
I think we would benefit even more from EU and Eurasian Union eventually merging
>>51831169
You're the guy from the thread a few days ago.
The one that played a "I really don't understand" mong.
>Finland made profit thanks trade with Russia
The trade that went to West thru Finland.
And whatever the other Poland says.
>Poland would profit greatly from more German-Russian trade
Not with trade being moved outside of Poland, just like you did.
>>51831337
imagine if EU had the same policy since it was created
>>51831378
>I think we would benefit even more from EU and Eurasian Union eventually merging
I'd be the biggest opponent of that. They're a oligarch run economy with secret service pulling the strings, something totally different from EU. It would kill us.
>You are also protected by both NATO and EU.
By the US? Maybe. NATO? No.
EU is a concept atm, if we federalize then we can start talking about protection.
>>51831273
You got that wrong, my Vertriebenened friend.
It's not about Ruskies suffering, it's about you.
>>51830382
>each other
Russians don't even remember Poland exist. Not memeing here, Poland is as important as Vanuatu or Nauru for citizens here.
>>51831337
>Late Weimar Republic was so unpopular that the two largest political parties wanted to explicitly overthrow it.
Is a government that's performing so badly that it loses popular confidence to such a degree even truly representative at that point? Generally parties calling for an overthrow of the system are going to be on the fringe, people only vote for them if things are really screwed up.
>>51831578
I love that meme. I've been to Russia 4 times and literally every Russian has a stance on Poland and knows quite a lot about it.
Maybe it's just you anon. Living at some wagzał with your kid friends, doing glue, must make you quite dumb.
>>51830214
Although having nazis in power is bad, but getting rid of democracy to stop any nazi rise to power is not ok.
This law shows how little faith Germany has to its own people and their ability to make the right choices and changes.
You're living in a political and social dictatorship, where no one is allowed to pursue their own beliefs whether it affects the economical or social status quo in Germany.
Doing so will get you arrested, a trait the western world normally condemn dictatorships for doing in other parts of the world.
It's hypocritical, and either stagnates Germany's development or forces it in one direction which no one can stop without civil war.
>>51829176
UUUU
>>51830402
That's not the only criteria.
If it endangers existance of the Federal Republic of Germany be it democratic or not, it will be banned.
>>51831681
Of course we know about Poland but it's not on Russian's minds. Like at all. We don't have conflicts, we're not evemies, not big friends, you're not a tourist country, not involved in anything important, you're not on the news.
>>51830426
lulz
![ReichstagswahlenNSDAP[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/NsGEDpB.gif "ReichstagswahlenNSDAP[1].gif")
>>51831708
>This law shows how little faith Germany has to its own people and their ability to make the right choices and changes.
Yeah, I wonder why that is.
>>51831337
>state support
What do you mean by that?
>>51831764
Yes, and?
If your country doesn't fight for it's territorial or political integrity you are just a c*ckdom that should be annexed by it's neighbors.
>>51831708
That's applicable to all Western "liberal democracies", innit?
>>51831847
>Yeah, I wonder why that is.
You best not be trying to say what I think you're trying to say.
>2015
>right-wing
>>51831889
Not him but political parties are fundamentally different in Germany.
They aren't dependent on figureheads like in the US (although you might have a different perception of this because of Merkel) and they aren't funded by private donations.
Instead parties get taxpayers money equal to all votes they recieved (85 cents per vote if I remember correctly).
>demoncracy at work
>>51831803
>you're not on the news.
well, just checking RT speaks otherwise.
>>51830762
>the video is no longer available
How convenient.
>>51831924
Your country shouldn't fight against its own people to keep the status quo, it's the peoples job to fight against other ideologies, not a law.
A country should fight for its people against foreign powers who's trying to destroy the country.
You're the ultra kuk here who can't voice their honest opinions without the fear of being imprisoned.
>>51831955
We haven't banned communist or nazi parties.
They simply don't have enough support to be able affect anything in our country on a political scale, hell even Vigrid(the nazi party) has only taken part in one election from what I know, and only in a single country.
>>51832153
People don't watch RT in Russia, it's a thing for the west. Most don't know it even exist because it's not in any standard cable tariffs.
The thing could serve a higher purpose.
The people who vote the NPD are often dumb.
They literally ruin all rightish things.
The other thing is that these people might try to join the AfD, which gives the government a justification to get spies in there and maybe even also ban the AfD.
>>51831669
The system created by Puppets of the Occupational forces is basically oriented to provide stability as for some reasons the Allied High command knew that Germans worship stability above everything.
Our system is not designed to be a rolemodel democracy. It's a Republican system not a democratic system. It just ensures that power passes over without blood loss. It also ensures that German voters have no direct influence on who is becomming president or Chancler.
You only get there by working yourself through the Partysystem. The parties work like a qualitycontrol.
We also do not devide the powers (judicative, elgislative, executive). They allways overlap, to keep the plebiscitary component away.
The world somehow distrusts the common German Voter so we only have elites ruling Germany and the will of the people is basically ignored.
woah germany wants to go full nazi again someone pls nuke
>>51832005
>Instead parties get taxpayers money equal to all votes they recieved (85 cents per vote if I remember correctly).
Given that it doesn't seem so sinister for the state to outlaw parties it deems a threat to itself. However, I have to echo what >>51831669 and >>51831708 said.
It seems to me (from the outside looking in), that a nominally democratic state that has the power to suppress political ideology that runs counter to the interests of the state makes the entire democratic system irrelevant. >>51831955 gets it since any modern liberal-libertarian democratic state is designed to follow one path and one path only.
In the end it lies with you -- the German people. A constituency that your government apparently does not trust. To that end, is there even any kind of German national feeling, one that exists independently of the government? These two responses >>51831847 >>51831924 suggest there isn't.
>>51832178
>Your country shouldn't fight against its own people to keep the status quo,
To keep teh status quo is the philosophy that describes the most parts of our culture. Thats what defines us!
>>51832178
Man, Norway sure sounds idyllic, too bad the prices are so high.
>>51832360
Except this time, Germans are the Kuckées and not the Kuckers
This right wing anti inmigration parties are usually full of damagogy and they usually lack good long term plans. They'll rise this year because 'muh inmigrants' but they won't last.
Look at Fn, aside from inmigration their political agenda is pathetic.
>>51832367
No country is truly democratic, not even Switzerland. You always have to sacrifice something for the greater good.
The political theory in Germany follows the rule of stability. That's why extremist and radical ideas both left and right are banned. This is of course anti-democratic but serves a greater purpose. And btw not only are the people forbidden from changing the system, so is the government. Our constitution explicitly states that every German has the right to fight against anyone who tries to abolish the system.
>>51832499
>leaving the EU
>enforcing borders
>pathetic
>>51831955
>You best not be trying to say what I think you're trying to say.
What do you think he is trying to say?
>>51832236
don't lie Sergiei, I just scouted your news sites and they got daily or nearly daily news about Poland.
kek, btw:
http://ria.ru/world/20151207/1337646731.html
>>51832587
>That's why extremist and radical ideas both left and right are banned.
How is importing over a million muslims (mostly males) in a single fucking year without even consulting the general population not an extremist idea? It will permanently alter your country.
>>51832587
The Constitution explicitly allows to kill the Tyrant that wants to overthrough the system. No matter how much democratic legitimation he has.
The best article!
>>51832634
Leave europe is meme tier.
Enforcing borders is okeish but really hard to apply. But i was talking about their economic agenda.
>>51832677
RT doesn't have Russian language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network).
It's not known for Russian people. Shows how little you kbnow about here.
>>51832677
>http://ria.ru/world/20151207/1337646731.html
Shit you are right.
Why is a dwarf like Poland such a big thing for agiant like Russia?
>>51832689
1. They aren't given citizenship so they can't stay permanently.
2. They aren't mostly males.
3. Every country is required by international law to help refugees.
>>51832771
The GDR war pretty good in enorcing borders.
>>51832783
(You)
>>51832783
>3. Every country is required by international law to help refugees.
*double facepalm*
>>51832780
because a gay elf like Germany is not
>>51824934
>NPD
>only remotely right-wing party
what is AfD?
>>51832783
wew
>>51829638
no
the NPD is exactly like "THE SA THE PARTY"
Nazi were pretty cultured.
>>51832771
>Leave europe is meme tier.
The EU is a piece of shit that needs to die.
>Enforcing borders is okeish but really hard to apply.
It's worth at least fucking trying. We manage it, yes we live on an island, but it's also because we employ hardline policies.
>But i was talking about their economic agenda.
What aspects of it do you find retarded?
>>51832783
>3. Every country is required by international law to help refugees.
>>51832780
Of course there are some news about even small countries but people don't remember about Poland here. I doubt Polish people think about Russia either, we mean nothing for them in a modern world. It's just 4chan weirdos.
>>51832779
blablabla
dat denial
http://tass.ru/search?query=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B0
http://tass.ru/search?search_type=simple&type=&query=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9&period=day
>>51832973
What did I do, Wladyslaw?
>>51832783
yeah well, fuck you and your "laws"
kraut :^)
>>51833030
talking to yourself again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjs8xVaAC98
the comments though
>>51832831
>>51832856
>>51832943
>>51833032
>Article 14(1) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which was adopted in 1948, guarantees the right to seek and enjoy asylum in other countries.
http://www.ijrcenter.org/refugee-law/
>>51833067
someone responded him with:
"yeah well, fuck you and your "laws"
kraut :^)"
>>51831708
>It's hypocritical, and either stagnates Germany's development or forces it in one direction which no one can stop without civil war.
Exactly.
Do you think Germany is a sovereign state right now? if not, whose satellite are we?`
Does the context help to understand the German Basic law?
>>51833095
wasnt me, got proofs?
>>51832993
See >>51832944. I let it be if you want to feel important for Russians. I have no idea why are you so desperate about it but that's alright.
>>51832587
>No country is truly democratic, not even Switzerland.
Of course there isn't. High-flown ideas about democracy are just that -- ideas... lip-service paid to the electorate.
But do you see the dissonance here? To uphold democratic values at the expense of democracy is quite a grandiose claim. Memes about German history aside, this line of thinking is contradictory and puts inordinate power in the hands of the state. An institution which should (ostensibly) be the representative of the will of the people, for better or worse.
>You always have to sacrifice something for the greater good.
>not only are the people forbidden from changing the system, so is the government. Our constitution explicitly states that every German has the right to fight against anyone who tries to abolish the system.
It is often said in this country that the second amendment is a safety valve (wishful thinking I think) in the event of intolerable tyranny of the state. You might be chagrined at hearing this from an American but the thought of being explicitly forbidden from voting for a political party strikes me as utterly foreign.
If German political theory favors stability over all, then what would happen should the system fail? Despite the current situation with the United States Federal Government, monolithic structures of power are offensive to the American people -- whether they're stable or not.
>>51824934
If it gets for some reason past the german constitutional court, it wont get past the european court of justice, because the standards to ban a party are simply almost impossible to fulfill, which is right,so stop exaggerating in advance
>>51833093
Didnt I just tell you to go fuck yourself?
*scrolls up*
why yes!
yes I did
>>51833093
Sorry I offended you Allahuahmad please continue to enjoy your asylum in Germany
>>51833133
Then be so kind and tell me what peopel are writing in:
http://ria.ru/world/20151206/1337008027.html
:^)
>>51832869
Why is that?
I want us to be more important to Russia than Poland even thou you live door to door with them.
Do we get good news Coverge in Russian media?
>elf
We are missing the orcs to get our EDO-fantasy epos completed.
>>51832936
>The EU is a piece of shit that needs to die.
Thats like your opinion man. EU has brought much much more pros than cons to France.
You live in a fucking island. They are a fuckton of people travelling across eu borders every single day. Yes, they are hideous people that must be controlled but Schengen treaty is still great.
>What aspects of it do you find retarded?
Universal basic income,
>>51833093
*intense self hits at the face*
>poles are buthurt about germans abandoning nationalism
you can't make this up
>>51833206
*people
>I want us to be more important to Russia than Poland
And that is why I wrote my first post >>51830049 . Now do you understand?
>>51833313
Ops, the other part was ment for >>51833257
>>51833268
>Schengen treaty is still great.
I'm sure the Paris attackers who based their operations in Brussels would concur with you. I agree it's great, but it only works when you have a population of people that share similar values, levels of social development etc. When you import psychotic Islamists by the millions it changes things.
>>51829050
>Freedom of speach is not unlimited
go back to facepalm you reddit ćucked sissy
>>51833206
Some butthurt and fear abut NATO. Well, if this link makes you feel relevant. Maybe too much time on 4chan.
>>51833134
>If German political theory favors stability over all, then what would happen should the system fail?
That is a topic of constant debate between counstitutionalists. There is no way out of our constitution and some principles have a so called "eternity-clause" they can't be changed and are valid for all times even in a post-federal Germany. Our individual states predate the federal government by a few years because they were founded first by the allies and they all have individual constitutions. I think if the federal republic would fail this failsafe would prevent a civil war and that the states would then try to work out a new political order or entity called "Deutschland".
>>51833367
>muh freedoms
>>>/usa/
>>51833313
You Poles are wierd.
There must be something in your water. Because Poles in Germany are just like us.
I can't understand you, realy!
>>51833369
Don't change the subject.
Some Russian said that we get no news coverage and that you know shit about us.
I proved him wrong.
>>51833084
/pol/'s having a field day
>>51833369
So when does your president think about the NATO troops roling in? I mean NATO is totally designed to roll into Russia right?
>>51833410
>he enjoys being told what to think
that soviet conditioning sure still works huh
>>51830767
>EU
>Benefiting England
>>51833521
>he thinks promoting jihad is a right
>he thinks calling for the abolishment of democracy is right
>he thinks calling for the blood citizens is a right
>he thinks endangering the public through spread of panic is a right
go be free in somalia
>>51833680
the problem is that you probably think you just said something world shatteringly wise but i reply 'duh'
if i say 'nigger' and that will result in some person burning their black neighbor's house down, then who is the real problem here?
>>51833457
I don't change the subject. Yes, I exaggerated. Just wanted to tell you an average Russian don't know about Poland besides some war and "Taras Bulba", don't have any opinion due to lack of knowledge so he doesn't care. We lost the link long time ago for better or worse. I glad that some Slavic country are doing this good though. And yes, you're doing good compared to Russia and urkaine which are drowning and loosing everything valuable.
>>51833445
rationalism is not weird
>>51833863
>. Yes, I exaggerated
Yep. That's all I wanted to hear lad.
>>51833854
nobody is telling you you can't say "nigger", I said free speech isn't unlimited because it isn't
you're just triggered by the suggestion that you can't say what you want at all times
>>51833950
>you're just triggered by the suggestion that you can't say what you want at all times
'duh' again
if i wanted to follow the cattle within arbitrary norms and never step up i would be on facebook
>>51834007
*fips tedora*
>if i wanted to follow the cattle within arbitrary norms and never step up i would be on facebook
>>51834007
You are 16, aren't you?
>>51834049
>>51834091
>>51834126
>falling for bait this obvious
>>51834049
ignore him he's not dutch, moroccan or turk muslim guy
>>51834049
>>51834126
normies out
>>51829520
Afd is just controlled opposition. Last elections they got 8% of votes
>>51824934
Why someone vote for NPD? I mean if i want to support nazis i will vote for those who close to NPD but not so... openly.
>>51834291
>Why someone vote for NPD?
Because they have great confidence in our secret service and want to show that through voting
Hey Japanese government how about do you follow Germany??
>>51824934
What kind of party is the AfD?
>>51834466
>tfw no nationalistic nippon gf to whip me around and scream 'WAITO SWINU'
>>51833680
Democracy is the worst thing that happened to the Western world, though.
UK strong
>>51832783
International law is irrelevant, it was made and created by men, and they can be ignored by men if more than enough ppl get sick of it.
>>51824934
>>right-wing, anti-immigration parties are moving into power across europe
I predicted this ages ago once I heard the numbers of refugees. 800,000 thousand minimum in Germany?
That's too many people, too fast. And there's already fears of Muslims that already exist.
Like it or not, there will be reactions.
My solution would be to try to balance compassion with reason. Create legal middle grounds between Refugee and citizen, where they have rights but can't immigrate into the nations. Build mini-cities in Eastern and Southern Europe for them. They can't leave the cities, but they will be taken care of. Small percentages get the right to live in Europe. The flood becomes a trickle.
Those in MENA camps are allowed to apply to come to the Euro camps. This avoids people trying to make the dangerous journeys.
Every few years, the situation is reviewed and it is determined if they can go home or not.
>>51834502
National conservative. They are always put close to Wilders, but they are way less radical. They are filling the space the CDU left, when they moved left.
>>51826883
then how about Nazi things? Europeans are fucked up. I really can't understand the people consider 2D loli as child porn.
>>51834784
>I predicted this ages ago once I heard the numbers of refugees. 800,000 thousand minimum in Germany?
That was two weeks ago and didn't Germany took in, like, 1,5 million already throughout the whole 2015 year (whatever of the 800k they actually let in included)?
>Build mini-cities
Are you really advocating for fucking gettos? You want to have whatever the French are having in their migrant-only Paris' districts?
Anon pls.
>>51834784
Proposing something like this would be considered nazi in most of the Western Europe. Plus this requires willingness of the Southern European countries and funding from all of EU to do something like that. And if the refugees don't have a right to leave the cities, it would probably conflict with some international law. Otherwise it's a good idea.
>>51833680
I fail to see the problem with any of those, except possibly the last. In each case the person is only advancing an argument. If it's a bad argument, defeat it with a good one.
But if you can't discuss your religious duties or your preferred form of government, I can't call it free speech.
>>51834961
With some effort, the mini cities could be made self sufficient. I could see companies investing in the cities because of cheap labour. Sure the refugees won't work if free handouts are avaible but if the alternative to wirking is to starve, hell yes would they work.
>>51834961
>Are you really advocating for fucking gettos? You want to have whatever the French are having in their migrant-only Paris' districts?
Temporary Refugee Cities.
They're nicely funded lush cities. And there's huge Refugee Cities right beside them. And there's a whole area that is just for them. Like a mini-nation.
>>51835016
For funding:
ALL nations have to chip into the broader crisis, or take migrants. Some kind of formula is made. East Easians are never going to accept refugees, which is fine, but they have to hand over hundreds of millions in aid. Gulf have to chip in millions too.
>>51835016
>And if the refugees don't have a right to leave the cities, it would probably conflict with some international law.
Isn't that how refugee camps currently operate?
>>51835016
it would end up with shitskins getting left and forgotten in those cities and in the end rioting and running.
No.
I mean, there was this country that yelled "Wilkommen".
>>51824934
It's like the nazis in all the wrong places.
>>51835157
>Isn't that how refugee camps currently operate?
I thought they had a right to leave them.
>>51835147
This is dubious and could only (_eventually_) work in a short term.
>>51835157
>They're nicely funded lush cities.
With whose money?
>ALL nations have to chip into the broader crisis
You fucking read what you posted, you commie shit?
What "all" nations?
>>51835157
>Temporary Refugee Cities.
>They're nicely funded lush cities.
This would be a billion times more expensive than what they're already doing. All it would do is create enormous ghettos without any employment and delay any hope of integration (not that that will happen anyway).
>And there's a whole area that is just for them. Like a mini-nation.
Run under sharia law? This sounds like exactly what the Islamists want.
It would be great if the EU exploded into war, tons morke combat footage thats not onlyragheadse.
>>51836203
Millions of muslims and leftists flooding the US is what would actually happen.
>>51836434
Even more combat footage))))
>>51836526
That would imply that europeans would have the balls to fight.
>>51836657
So then it would just be muslims fighting in the eu
>>51836203
This
I want yurup to burn to the ground
till there is complete silence on this cursed continent
