>trying to become a translator
>mfw realizing more and more that there is zero demand since everyone can already speak English
JUST
That's not true.
Everyone speaks English in Northern Europe, but even in Western Europe, only about 1/4th of the people can carry a serious conversation. The rate drops bretty low everywhere else.
Even people with university education in Eastern Europe, China, and South America cannot speak conversational English.
However, being a translator is probably a dumb idea. There is enough competition and machine translation is getting breddy good.
>Even people with university education in Eastern Europe, China, and South America cannot speak conversational English.
lies 2bh, the new generation knows how to speak english everywhere
>>51819902
>machine translation is breddy good
nigga what
>>51819902
Plus I'm learning Swedish. It sucks how hard it's gonna be, but what can ya do?
>>51819930
yeah, a broken banana english
>>51820022
uh no, specially at universities here, most people hold the CAE or the CPE and are taking a third language at the university. Just look how many BRs there are speaking other languages here on other generals and you will get the idea.
>>51819941
It's getting better.
>>51819950
LOL
Do not learn Swedish unless you're planning on moving there and living off their welfare state.
Swedish adults know English. Unless you get PhD in Second Language acquisition with a focus on children, you will not find decent work in Sweden.
Learn a language that is commonly spoken by mono-linguistic people, r-tard. Japanese would actually come in handy in this case.
>>51820126
maybe, but machines will never replace humans imo
also speaking of meme degrees, im torn between translation and anthropology, what do?
>>51820185
Translation.
At least it's a skill.
Anthropology won't get you a job.
The job market is really though brah.
Really tough. DO NOT END UP WORKING RETAIL/BEING A WAITER, YOU WON'T GET OUT OF IT FOR A LONG TIME
>>51820126
B-but... I already started learning Swedish. I wouldn't ever want to go to Sweden, just translate Swedish texts into English (or maybe another language). I know it could be hard, but impossible?
>>51820148
Japanese seems nice, but I just don't know how to learn it. I just don't feel comfortable with the resources in the weeb thread.
>>51820261
It's hard. Hard meaning you will probably not be able to survive from the gigs.
No one hires inhouse translators. You will need to constantly find gigs for...Swedish, a small European nation with a high population of fluent English speakers.
Maybe you could translate from Arabic into Swedish.
>>51820383
Well this sucks. So there's really no point in my Swedish? I mean, I want to be a translator, so I'd rather start from scratch with another language than be a waiter at some restaurant.
>>51820575
If you don't care about the language and just want to learn a random language for money: Arabic, Pashto, Chinese, Japanese, Korean.
>>51820185
Don't fucking do Anthropology.
Translator is terrible as well, but don't fucking go Anthro. It's not the field it was 30 years ago.
>>51820669
I'm gonna sound like a faggot for saying this, but none of those languages have courses on Duolingo. I mean, I'd prefer something interactive, even if it's something just to get me going. I took Japanese in college, and I'm at least A2 level by now. Again, though, my main problem would be not having a set curriculum in front of me.
>>51820727
Learn Esperanto for fun.
Learn a real skill like programming or carpentry.
Don't waste years of your life on language that you don't like and won't give you any money.
>>51820798
>learn THE language
I've tried programming, but it's not really a language like people say it is. Honestly, I love most languages (besides Esperanto... And French), and it's something I feel like I could be good at. As long as it pays more than the $9 an hour I'm making now, I'm OK with whatever language I go into. I just need a curriculum to get me started.
>>51820258
>>51820689
yeah deep inside I know it
but it hurts
>>51820885
*the MEME language
I ruined my one punchline.
>>51820885
I actually speak Esperanto for fun.
By investing a month of my life, I became fluent in a language I can speak with people from all over the world. Most Esperantists are into languages, either as teachers, translators, interpreters, or journalists.
Besides that, I know that programming or carpentry aren't languages, but they're skills that will provide you with much more than $9 than hour, m8.
>>51820897
Honestly, unless you got a PhD in Anthropology, you couldn't get a job. What would be your career goals? What do you have in mind to even invest so much of your life in that path?
>>51821078
The thing about carpentry or programming, though, is that not only would it be mad expensive and take years to make a career out of, but I'd hate every minute of it. I treat Swedish like a job and spend at least 4 hours a day after work developing it, and honestly, I love it. I'm willing to learn another language (besides Esperanto), but what would be the three you would recommend most?
>>51821173
Why don't you want to learn Esperanto? Because you can't make shekels out of it?
For an American: Arabic, Spanish, French
>>51821259
Because it's a made up language. I want to speak a language that people grew up speaking, not just to get into the kool kids klub.
Is Spanish really a good idea? I would think that with all the Hispanic immigrants we have, I'd have to wait behind a parade of dual speakers who grew up with both languages.
>>51821355
>I want to speak a language that people grew up speaking, not just to get into the kool kids klub.
Understandable. I have done both. People do appreciate that you learn their language and will encourage you, but you will always be an outsider. While in the Esperanto community, everyone for the most part, learned it as a second language. It creates a fraternal atmosphere of respect, and it's fun.
Spanish is a good idea if you're worried about getting a job. I didn't say it would be translation. But if you speak Spanish, you have an advantage to get a job at some insurance company or bank.
If Translation is seriously what you want to do, consider getting in shape and joining our imperial millitary. But come prepared with Arabic or Pashto. That way you have an advantage, you know where you'll be going, and you'll have a cushiony job and be paid lower upper-middle class.
>>51821454
>tfw I was turned down by the military for being an autist
Spanish it is, then. Yo pienso que ya lo hablo bien, pero siempre puedo aprender más. Thanks for the advice!
>>51819728
I don't speak English at all
Help me pls ;_;
>>51821355
>Because it's a made up language
But:
1. It's super easy to learn.
2. It is globally spoken.
3. It gets you laid.
4. There is huge demand for translated material.
>>51821604
Move to San Francisco and sell your pretty Mexican boyhole.
>>51821622
Haltu, kara. Ne estas ne.
Ni ne povas konvinki lin perforte.
>>51820575
Swedish guy here
There is no point at all learning Swedish if you intend to work as a translator, everyone that is born after 1980 is completely fluent in English
It has gone to the point where I only consider myself fluent in one Language at the moment because Swedish is so useless in the grand scheme of things
>>51821173
Why are millenials so stupid? I'm a millenial and I'll never understand why my age mates are so retarded.Swedes speak English better than most Europeans. Some Swedes speak better English than Americans. A Swedish translator would always be preferred over an English-Swedish translator.
Did you just pick a random language, ignore reality, and hope that you'll get your dream job?
>>51821622
>it is globally spoken
Top kek
>>51820575
You could look into getting an EASL certification if you really want to live abroad, but don't be a translator.
>>51821743
The Esperanto congress will be in Nitra in 2016.
You should come, senpai.
Free online translators made your job obsolete
>>51821683
Fug. Varför lär jag det språk?!
>>51821654
Aĥ!
>>51821687
>Did you just pick a random language, ignore reality, and hope that you'll get your dream job?
How was I supposed to know there was no demand for Swedish when I first started?
>>51821743
Estas la vero.
>>51821748
I'm not looking to ever live in Sweden 2bh. Just looking to be a translator.
>>51821791
Do you even /biz/?
>>51821924
You don't commit to learning a language without knowing why exactly. Especially if you're considering making a career out of it.
"Ooh, I love women rights, maybe I should get a degree in gender studies."
>>51821909
Ĉu vi estas la aŭtismulo?
>>51821880
Not only that, I also forgot to mention that Swedish is really difficult when it comes to pronunciation since we use sound in our language that does not exist in any other.
I have not heard of anyone not born or grown up in Sweden at a very early age that have been able to master the sju sound
I do not want to encourage you, you can definitely live your dreams of working in another language, but not as a translator, I suggest looking towards Asia where people that master English are very sought after, though you need to be competent in something else as well to be of use
>>51819902
The thing is that in Eastern Europe there are still going to be people there that speak English better than you speak the native language and they'll take less pay too. It's criminal we don't really start our secondary language education till high school. People in Europe start learning english in primary.
>>51822007
* I do not want to discourage you lel
>>51819728
学中问。Been learning it for 9 years now, best decision I've ever made because the demand for Mandarin translators is still really high. Bonus points if you're white, Chinese people are crazy for Mandarin-speaking caucasians.
>>51821777
There are conventions for all kinds of shit. That doesn't mean it's actually useful.
>>51819950
Swedish people are good at English, why do you learn it?
>>51822064
*文
Shit.
>>51822091
I never said it was useful. Neither is spending hours on imageboards being racist and cynical.
However, Esperanto is fun and it doesn't take much time to learn.
>>51821968
There are jobs for bilingual people. Just not Swedish, I guess.
>>51822007
I really appreciate the advice. I really would like to get back into my Japanese studies, but I really don't know how I'd make it happen.
Then why do I need to translate shit for my family all the time?
>>51822037
True.
It's a good place to be an English teacher, a bad place to be a translator.
Although it's better to translate in Eastern Europe than in fucking Sweden, kek.
>>51822064
I actually used to live in China, and I spoke Chinese fairly decently too. Turns out I hate the Chinese. :)
>>51822064
>tfw learning mandarin but not white
>>51822106
2bh, I have no friggin clue. About a year ago, I said, "Hey, Swedish! That looks fun!" And now we're here.
>>51821991
Whom?
>>51822091
It's the most useful non-imperialist language.
>>51822289
Fuck off, Esperantist scum.
>>51822220
>you learned Swedish
>they speak Engish with you
hahaha
>>51822351
>>>/reddit/
>>51822372
I guess it's time for me to switch, then.
>>51822128
>learning a language nobody speaks
>that has no literature except for translations from real languages
>>51822289
>non-imperialist
aka useless
>>51822351
>he fell for the esperanto meme
*tipas fedoro*
>>51822453
>Learn Chinese
>your wrong pronunciation would sounds like an alien speaking
>>51822408
reddit.com/r/esperanto
>>51822462
>>that has no literature except for translations from real languages
This is how I know you're full of shit.
>>51819728
I take Arabic and am about to begin a Farsi course.
As long as you have another language, you will have the advantage over another person without the language skills and seeing as this is the US and only 20% are bilingual, that's a huge advantage, just learn one of the languages that are critical to national security.
>>51822594
Where are you learning Arabic? Just in college?
>>51822594
>I take Arabic
How is it? I know Farsi is easy as fuck, but Arabic with its three-letter roots and shit seems pretty difficult to me
>>51822613
I've got some friends that tech me both Modern Standard arabic as well as Levant Arabic, I also bought my own books and am a current Arabic-Foriegn Relations dual major.
>>51822625
It's really not, the alphabet is not the struggle people make it seem. People are just intimidated by how it looks, also can you clarify "three letter root"?
>>51819728
I work as a freelance translator. Basically, if you want to work as a translator, you have to specialize in a language AND something else. If you major in some bullshit like French literature, you probably won't ever get much work. If you major in a language and a science, though, you can bring in some bank. Translators also work in translating many other things, so you can TRY to go a generalist route, but you should try to find something specific. For example, I tend to work translating marketing materials for medium-sized businesses between Spanish and English in my state.
>>51822666
I think he's talking about tripartite roots.
>>51822647
there is Big 4 dialects, you picked Levantine?
>>51822695
I'm not looking to bring in big bucks. Just something more than my $9 an hour. Unless there's a demand for translating journalism, I don't think I'll have much of a choice other than the general route.
>>51822695
Why don't they just fire you and outsource the work?
>>51821777
>>51822666
>>51822777
>>51822712
>>51822625
>>51822613
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1qn30D8yvKe
Here's me singing some normie Arabic as well as speaking a little at the beginning.
As for the tripartite roots, it's not that hard once you get used to it and just sit down and learn the rules and structures, just like any other langauge.
>>51822738
That's the one most prevalent in my part of the USA and also the one people in the Islamic State speak. I plan on learning many more dialects later in my studies, especially Egyptian.
>>51822777
>Just something more than my $9 an hour.
Then go to community college, choose a trade, and learn a useful skill.
You are not entitled to make more than $9 doing exactly what you want mate.
>>51822804
Are Arabic dialects that different from one another? Not something as extreme as something like Moroccan vs Omani, but maybe between Egyptian, Levantine, Gulf, etc
>>51822804
>learn dialect AND MSA
is it difficult if you learned dialect first?
>I know the importance of msa
>>51822869
>implying a second language isn't a trade in itself
I'm willing to change the language, but not shift gears altogether. If I wanted to be miserable forever, I'd become a plumber.
>>51822804
Oh, I also speak French, Spanish and Russian. I firmly believe that once you've learned your second language, they come easier after that
>>51822889
Levant and Gulf are bretty similar, tbqh. Egyptian, I haven't tackled yet so I don't quite know but for some strange reason they've turned a letter from sounding like /jīm/ to /gīm/
>>51822780
Great question, actually. It depends on a lot of factors. Some of it has to do with the fact that I'm right here in the same state. A bigger factor is that I'm natively fluent in both languages. Most of the English/Spanish bilinguals that you'll find in other countries are only native in Spanish, so they don't always understand the nuance necessary in culturally-dependent things like marketing materials.
Outside of that marketing materials, I work translating materials from Spanish INTO English, which is when smarter clients want a native English speaker who lives in an English-speaking country. If they want English INTO Spanish, then clients will usually choose a translator in a Spanish-speaking country.
>>51820261
Anon you picked the country that has one of the highest proficiencies of English as a second language in the world. There is zero chance of getting a translation job in Sweden.
Why didn't you pick Mandarin, Arabic or any other language where English comprehension is far lower.
>>51822189
Brought to you from a bar stool in Sanlitun.
>>51822933
In my opinion, it's much easier to learn MSA first because that creates a basis for the words and structures. For lack of a better term, the dialects are degenerated from the MSA roots and you simply have to memorize the specific rules and be sure to make friends with some native speakers.
MSA is bretty important for translating any formally written (usually academic or international) papers. After you learn the dialects, MSA can fuck off until you need to read a proper school paper seeing as MSA WILL NOT help you in the real world. It can get the general meaning across but it's like speaking Latin to any of the Romance Languages today (in a way).
>>51822064
>学中问
>问
wew lad
>>51820727
The biggest demand in the world is for Mandarin - English translations.
Get the Chineseskill app for your phone. It's a duolingo clone. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chineseskill&hl=en
Spend several years learning Chinese and move to China, or apply at a western branch of a Chinese company. You will be guaranteed a job doing Chinese translations.
>>51822984
It's a gay response, but mainly because it was on Duolingo and I was bored.
>>51823025
>learn msa first helps learning dialects
is it?
>>51822561
Post some esperanto literature. I'm actually kind of curious.
>>51822777
>I'm not looking to bring in big bucks.
I know. My advice applies to just finding work, not just high-paying work. If you study just the language by itself, you'll see little benefit.
Go to a freelance translation site like Translator's Cafe or Proz and see what kind of requirements there are for any number of jobs in a given language. Jobs that are more generalists face FIERCE competition. Keep in mind that a lot of translators complete globally.
If you want STABLE income as a translator (i.e., you won't need a day job), you have to get specific. If translation of journalism fits, I can't be sure, but I'll guess that competition is fierce in that field.
So here's another question: do you want to translate (written word) or interpret (spoken word)? If you want to interpret, I say do ASL.
>>51823084
I can tell you that it does. 100%. Sure, you can start from the ground up in a dialect and be OK, but if you try to transition to a different dialect from there, you'll have a hard time.
>>51823078
Are you the same poster as
>>51823052
If you are there's still plenty of work for Mandarin translation. If not I would pick Arabic.
>>51823039
He corrected himself in a later post. I was going to call him out, too.
>>51823051
>Spend several years learning Chinese
>and move to China
That would require doing all of the above.
>>51823114
I want to translate. I'm hoping to be able to work on my own schedule this way.
>>51823140
I second this Kiwi, Arabic is extremely useful in this time, it has been ranked by the Fed's as a language of national importance and they want people who they can trust to be translating for them (aka: whitey's)
>>51823193
Just about any European language has little use for translation, since most have a sizeable percentage of young people who are fluent in English as a second language.
English proficiency in the Arab world is pretty poor and it's an economically important area. There's definitely a translation market there.
The only European language translation I could really see a market for would be Spanish or Portuguese in certain Latin American countries, since their English proficiency is so poor. Within Europe they will prefer EU citizens, and even in Russia and elsewhere it's easy to recruit English speakers.
>>51823193
Yeah, that's IF he wants to work for the military or intelligence community. If he wants to work in the private sector, he should go for Chinese. What's the outlook for Arabic in the private sector?
>>51823152
Xie Xie too true. Some people do manage to get to near spoken fluency before they go over though.
If you live in the States and throw away a large part of your life learning near-perfect Spanish to the degree that you can speak fluently with uneducated nearly illiterate people from any country who all have different colloquial vocabulary, then you can get paid a whopping 5% more than your monolingual counterparts in a large number of business, legal, or medical settings as long as you have all the same job skills that they have, as well.
Bottom line: Don't throw your life away. Just become a pharmacist or surgical assistant or a personal injury lawyer.
>>51823341
OIL
I
L
Also there's a huge demand for Arabic teachers to fund a huge lack for White, Arabic speakers
>>51823347
>tfw studying japanese
>hoping I can get an equivalent job over there some day before there economy goes belly up
As a back up I'm studying Spanish so I could do something in Latin America, and I'm pretty comfortable with French.
>>51823341
oil monies
>>51820114
Uh, no. In my class in university at most 30% speak English, a broken pause-ridden English I might say. Even those who speak, most are posh normies who've gotten three years of language classes.
Anyone know a good curriculum for learning glorious nihongo? I've already got a solid base (at least so far). Just need to know how to proceed from here.
>>51823475
Find a native
>>51823475
Why do you want to learn Japanese? Hobby or future work?
>>51823499
Future work. I'm looking to translate.
>>51823025
Alex, where are you in the US that you have a lot of Arabic speakers and a good university program for studying it?
>>51823442
Japan is always going to be a major economy, but I'm not really sure of the job market,.
In China they let in just about any white westerner to teach English, even if you have no qualifications for teaching. It's ridiculous, look at this http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/
I started learning Portuguese this year and should get to fluency by next year. I don't really have any aims to work there, but the IT sector there doesn't pay too badly.
>>51823584
*In Brazil if it wasn't obvious.
>>51823584
I don't like the Chinese language or culture enough to spend the years learning it. Maybe later if I develop a taste for it.
>>51823584
Wouldn't you need to know Chinese to teach?
>>51823628
As someone who has lived there, trust me, it ain't worth it. They're nasty people with a gross language. Heck, even Russia would be a better option.
>>51823640
They asked me specifically not to use Chinese.
>>51822453
Nej, vän. Sverige över världen.
>>51823671
How do you teach then
>>51823542
Emory University, Atlanta has a large concentration of Arabic speakers.
>>51823640
No it's all about immersion. You'll pick up basic Chinese when you're over there, but the mothers want their little darling Zhangs to speak English from 5 years onwards. So you just start saying phrases in class and getting them to repeat you.
You could literally go to China right now provided you're white and a native English speaker and get a job. There are thousands of borderline autistic expats in China, you have no idea how ridiculous it is.
>>51823628
Fair enough. I find Japanese culture more appealing as well, but I know it would be more difficult getting work there.
>>51823687
You don't really teach. They have a Chinese teacher teach them. You just help them practice by immersing them for an hour.
>>51823742
Sounds bretty good
Apart from living in China
>>51822984
Mandarin is disgusting and if you perpetuate the myth that the pig-dog commie Chinese swine language is useful for anything other than talking to smog choked peasants (the business happens in english, senpai) then you should be stripped of your right to vote. Mandarin is disgusting. The chinese are disgusting.
>>51823764
>rude
>>51823764
Anon I know you had a shit experience there, but the translation market in Mandarin is bigger. If one wants to be a translator (First mistake amirite?) then Mandarin is not a bad option.
Do you really think every nong that runs a company is fluent in English? Aside from the big international factories and companies, they all need translators.
>>51823817
Chinese is disgusting. Shí shi shì shí shí
>>51823817
He's just rumprustled he chose the wrong China
>>51823833
I'm a different anon. Chinese is disgusting and if you learn languages because they're widely spoken but not pretty or efficient, you are abusing language as a technology. You are allowing the pig-dog tongues to win.
>>51823764
t. Yamasaki
>>51823912
Sverige, varför?
Varför?
>>51823912
Varför är dig här?
Come to laugh at me some more? ;-;
>>51823906
English has won any relevant "Battle" for languages.
Your point literally makes no sense. If you are learning a language for a job, it makes sense to learn the language there is a demand for. I think Italian is a beaiutiful language, and would prefer it was more spoken, but its not going to happen.
>>51823993
I don't like english. My point is, if you use a language that is inefficient, you are a commie pig-dog china swine. How do you even read those pictures? Why not switch to glorious alphabet like sweden?
>Mandarin
>was established by another China's people
Pure Chinese Languages shouldn't have only 4 tones.
>>51824047
>read those pictures
They're not pictures. It's obvious that you don't understand how Chinese characters work.
And they're actually quite easy to learn. It's systematic. All characters are written with variations of the same basic set of strokes. Those strokes make simple characters. Simple characters fit together to become more complex characters. It's not random. Furthermore, the system works well for Chinese, considering that there are so many homophonic syllables in Chinese and so many different varieties of the Chinese language.
>>51824279
《施氏食獅史》
石室詩士施氏,嗜獅,誓食十獅。
氏時時適市視獅。
十時,適十獅適市。
是時,適施氏適市。
氏視是十獅,恃矢勢,使是十獅逝世。
氏拾是十獅屍,適石室。
石室濕,氏使侍拭石室。
石室拭,氏始試食是十獅。
食時,始識是十獅屍,實十石獅屍。
試釋是事。
>>51824279
Hahah, fucking Hoklo?
>8 tones
>absurd syllable combinations
>gok jeep boop kleek fuk
>speaking nonsense that sounds vietnamese-tier
>>51820185
>but machines will never replace humans imo
Don't be so sure about this. Neural networking and smarter and smarter AI are quickly coming about. I give it 10 years before we can have a computer that can fluently speak every language.
>>51824323
different tones and different pronunciation in my Taiwanese Hokkien.
>>51824375
Vietnamese has 6 tones, ignorant, learn something before posting here
>>51824379
That would be great, but human language doesn't operate on a logical or mathematical basis. The best machine translations are based on statistical input/output, and even that produces shit translations.
There's a quote that sums this up nicely:
"Artificial intelligence will take over the translation industry when it has taken over the fiction writing industry."
>>51824379
Do you work in NLP? If not where did you pull the 10 years number?
As a computer-illiterate polyglot I am breddy confident that true AI is a firm technological prerequisite for a computer that can produce natural human speech, let alone translate adequately.
BUT true AI will probs happen within our lifetimes anyway, after which the world becomes unimaginable anyway and traditional jobs disappear
I welcome dispute from someone who does NLP
>>51824524
>Artificial intelligence will take over the translation industry when it has taken over the fiction writing industry
Holy shit I'm using that
T b h I am more worried about people becoming more and more satisfied with complete-shit-but-understandable machine translations for things because they are lazy/cheap
>>51824323
Feck off lad that's classical Chinese read as Modern Chinese
It wouldn't make sense to any contemporary Chinese person, and in classical Chinese, the words are pronounced differently from one another
>>51824524
It operates on a logical and mathematical basis to a certain extent. I know what you mean though, there are a lot of nuances depending on the country, dialect, region etc would be very complicated to implement into a "language AI". I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised over the next few years with what comes about with real time translation and machine interpretation.
>>51824594
>Where did you pull 10 years
Out of my ass, but with the way things are going I don't think I am too far off the mark.
>>51824630
why? it's stupid. fiction requires creativity, themes, ideas, and a message.
most of the problems with translation is context and expressions.
The future is going to be machine translations and quick skim/edit by a native.
>T b h I am more worried about people becoming more and more satisfied with complete-shit-but-understandable machine translations for things because they are lazy/cheap
And why is this a problem?
The only translations that really need humans are translations of literature and poetry.
>>51824673
perfect!
>>51824719
>It operates on a logical and mathematical basis to a certain extent.
>to a certain extent
"To a certain extent" is how well machine translations work right now.
I dont want to sound like a cunt but you only speak English don't you? I know a plenty of smart tech people who just dont get how languages work, because they think it should be like math.
I admit that computers will make translation obsolete, but they will do it LAST. As in, at the same time they make everything else obsolete, including programmers, engineers, doctors, politicians, lawyers.
Doesn't help the market value of translation though, which I learned the hard way
>>51824726
>problems with translation is context and expressions
What do you know about the subject? Translation requires you to create something new in a different language using the same ideas. The leas professional, ergo more artistic the trxt, the more complete the recreation.
>The only translations that really need humans are translations of literature and poetry.
Dude you literally have zero idea what you are talking about. How many languages do you speak?
>>51823182
>written translation
>be able to work on my own schedule
Haha
AHAHAHAHA
Written translation is one of the most miserable jobs there is. Deadline slavery all day every day, without weekends or holidays. Sleepless nights and days when you'd rather die than wake up, knowing that you will do nothing this day but translate some retarded text. Nothing fucks up your schedule like translation does - and if you weigh up the time and energy you put into it, it pays fucking peanuts.
Want to make real money AND have time to spend it? Go into simultaneous interpretation. It is very stressful but exciting, and you will not know what to do with all that dosh - especially if you are fluent in some exotic but widespread language like Chinese or Arabic.
t. interpreter
>>51825231
You experienced the written translation?
>>51825338
Yes. I did it for three years because I did not have any other choice. It is one of the lousiest jobs there is - the deadlines are terrible and clients treat you like shit.
>>51819950
i'm sorry, anon
>>51824719
>It operates on a logical and mathematical basis to a certain extent.
This hasn't been proven. Most linguists since the 80's have been working on trying to advance the theory of "universal grammar" that would try to reduce the workings of language to a set of logical connections. The program could only get so far as finding "universals" that only exist across some languages and predict certain other patterns in certain situations. If that sounds over-simplified as fuck, it is. If you're interested in learning more about this, pick up any university-level syntax course book.
Right now, you might think that working across languages looks like this:
LANGUAGE 1: (SUBJECT) (OBJECT) (VERB)
LANGUAGE 2: (SUBJECT) (VERB) (OBJECT)
"Let's just switch the two different ones and we're done!"
But it really works like this:
LANGUAGE 1: (NOUN PHRASE(DETERMINER*UNLESS THE NOUN IS A SPECIAL CATEGORY OR A RANDOM SET OF UNRELATED WORDS THAT ALL DON'T ALLOW THIS DETERMINER) (ADJECTIVE PHRASE*MUST BE IN A CERTAIN ORDER BUT ISN'T SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF SPECIAL CATEGORIES OF WORDS OR PRAGMATICS) (NOUN)) (AUXILIARY VERB(OR TWO BUT ONLY SOME OF THEM SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE NEXT AND PREVIOUS WORDS AND PRAGMATICS)) (VERB PHRASE (VERB)) (PREPOSITIONAL PHRASE*DEPENDS ON PRECEDING VERB AND SOME SEMANTIC CUES AND MAYBE PRAGMATICS TOO (PREPOSITION) (INDIRECT OBJECT) (SECOND INDIRECT OBJECT*SOMETIMES))**CAN BE TOTALLY SWITCHED AROUND IN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES BUT NOT ALWAYS etc etc etc etc etc etc
And that's the simplified version.
>>51825395
As for interpretation, what is your profession?
>>51825450
What do you mean by "my profession"? I am an interpreter for a private company. I speak three languages fluently, but I do not have a particular field of specialization. I just study the topic I will be doing a day or two in advance and that's it.
>>51825231
I work as a translator and I don't experience this, but I also have a good balance of clients that I've worked with for some time that understand how things work. If I feel like I'll be overworked, or that I can't finish a project in a slim time frame, I just turn down a job or pass it on to a colleague (or split it with one, even better). If you're getting paid a good rate and have stable clients, it's not bad, but I can see that I'm in an ideal situation.
>>51825504
Russian, Georgian, English?
>>51825504
I'm guessing that the languages are English, Georgian, and something else?
How did you get your job at your current private firm? Was it difficult? Did you do interpretation classes at a university?
>>51825504
>no specialization
what do you translate
>>51825510
Working with a stable client base is good, but the job itself is still boring as hell. Freelancing, though...
>I just turn down a job
You won't get another call from this guy anymore and he will make sure to tell everyone he can not to call you.
>pass it on to a colleague
If you have one, that is.
>>51825510
1. Is English your native and ONLY native
2. What languages
3. How the fuck did you find work
Wont lie, I'm p jealous of you m8 I've given up on that dream
>>51825409
Dont be smug
>>51825533
Ya.
>>51825534
>How did you get your job at your current private firm?
Stumbled upon their ad by accident and decided to try my luck.
>Was it difficult?
At first, yes. It takes a special mindset to do interpretation. You need to be concentrated while remaining relaxed in order not to burn out too fast, but few people can manage that.
>Did you do interpretation classes at a university?
No, the company ran its own classes. So, at first I paid them to train me, now they pay me for working for them. I also teach would-be interpreters when I have time and get paid by the hour.
>>51825558
Any subject. Medicine, politics, business, ecology, you name it.
>>51825630
What company, what languages do they need, are they hiring
>>51825689
They mainly deal with Russian-Georgian-English interpretation. At the moment the chinks are getting big in Georgia, and there is already talk of recruiting Chinese speakers.
You are not seriously planning to come here, are you?
>>51825630
>>51825689
Also if I get the money/time here soon I would pay you for skype-interpreting lessons 4 real
PS Are you a girl? Im not but somehow the vast majority seem to be women in the firld, cant figure it out
>>51825738
That's too bad, thought they were international. And no, fuck learning Georgian lol
I speak Englih, Russian, and German (;_;)
>>51825630
How do you remember what they have said?
>simutaneous interpretation
Where do you learn your foriegn language?
How did you prove your foreign language proficiency to your employeer?
>>51825630
Please teach me Georgian, or recommend me some stuff to work with, I can't seem to find ANYTHING online. I've been trying for about a year to gather some material to learn, but can't seem to find any.
>>51825746
Interpreting lessons can't be properly done via Skype, m8 - you need special equipment. Also, you need at least 3 people - one to speak, one to translate and one to assess.
Want good practice? Try shadowing. Turn on any speech on jewtube (by some politician, for example) and repeat everything you hear, word by word. Once you feel confident enough, try translating the speeches. That's how I started.
>>51825630
>Any subject. Medicine, politics, business, ecology, you name it.
How do you translate them when those are not your major in university?
>>51825791
>How do you remember what they have said?
It's simultaneous interpetation, not consecutive. You don't remember anything here beyond 5 seconds.
>Where do you learn your foriegn language?
Russian is the lingua franca of post-Soviet space, and my English is self-taught.
>How did you prove your foreign language proficiency to your employeer?
I talked to them, showed them my written translations and flashed my GRE certificate at them.
>>51825794
You can't learn Georgian without immersion. You simply can't, it is harder and more alien than Chinese in some aspects. However, if you're really determined, download "Beginner's Georgian" by Dodona Kiziria.
>>51820148
Memrise
>>51825885
If I went to Georgia, where would I go to learn it with immersion then?
>>51825855
>How do you translate them when those are not your major in university?
Prior to the conference or a forum, you client is obliged to send you all the relevant materials - presentations, printouts, texts, etc. You sit down, study them, write out all the words unfamiliar to you, find translations for them, google professional lingo and expressions if there are any, etc. When you go to the conference, you take all your scribbles with you and have them in front of your eyes for reference. You do not have to major in business to interpret a business forum - only to have a general idea of the field and prepare for a particular topic they are going to discuss.
If the client doesn't send you anything, you are legally allowed to dismiss his complaints about poor quality of the translation and tell him to fuck off.
>>51825955
Almost all our schools and universities have Georgian classes for foreigners at any level.
Why do you need it, though? It is not spoken anywhere outside the country, and Georgia isn't exactly an international business titan like Germany or China.
>>51825769
Warum sprichst du Deutsch und Russisch? Hast du einmal in Deutschland gewohnt?
>>51825985
Unique language, and your girls are really cute desu I wouldn't mind getting a Georgian wife
>>51825885
>Georgian School does not teach English
Russian was lingua franca, and now?
>>51826020
Unique does not necessarily mean useful, and like I said, it is not spoken anywhere outside the country.
>your girls are really cute desu I wouldn't mind getting a Georgian wife
Well, good luck then. You'll be surprised how many Americans come here for the same purpose, though.
>>51826031
>Georgian School does not teach English
Of course they do teach English, but not at the level necessary for interpretation. In order to become fluent, you have to either take private classes or put your back into it and teach yourself.
>Russian was lingua franca, and now?
Depends on the country. You won't get anywhere with Russian in Lithuania, for example, but it is still widely used in Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
In Georgia, Russian language is dying, which means less competition for me.
>>51826051
You're right about the uniqueness =/= usefulness, but it still would be neat to learn, and it sounds nice to my ear for some reason.
>Well, good luck then. You'll be surprised how many Americans come here for the same purpose, though.
Really? No one ever talks about Georgia where I live, or even acknowledge it, I thought it would be a little place where Americans DON'T go, especially with Abkhazia and South Ossetia and stuff.
>>51826100
>No one ever talks about Georgia where I live, or even acknowledge it
Well, USA is large. Many of your compatriots come here to settle down for a quiet life, since real estate is relatively cheap. Naturally, many get married to Georgian girls as well.
>>51826148
Could you give me a good Uni in Georgia then? I am quite rich and could bring a good amount of money to Georgia to spend, but I don't know good places to live for a while. Unless your unis have dorms of course
>>51826190
Our unis generally don't have dorms.
Here are a few good ones:
http://www.freeuni.edu.ge/en
http://www.cu.edu.ge/en
https://www.ibsu.edu.ge/en/
>>51826228
Thanks for the links, and I heard your police are really good in Tbilisi so should I stay there?
>>51826284
Yeah, our police is pretty good. They largely ignore jaywalkers, though.
Tbilisi is nice, but crowded. City center is a fucking riot in peak hours, so try to find housing in the suburbs (not in the outskirts) if you value your sleep.
>>51826338
What is the ghetto in Georgia? Town names, city names, etc. What are the beggars like?
>>51826402
>What is the ghetto in Georgia?
Kutaisi, used to be mafia central in the 90's and traces of it still show. Also, Varketili district in Tbilisi is depressing and shitty.
>What are the beggars like?
Local beggars are harmless - they either play some music or just sit there with their hands outstretched. Gypsies, though... Our police is cracking down on them, but they still manage to harass people from time to time.
>>51826492
We don't have many beggars here which is good, but I've heard in other countries it can get bad. What about the weather? I'm used to 50f to 105f usually, since I live in California
>>51826592
p.s. I've never seen snow in my life so I might have to prepare myself
>>51826592
In winter, it's about 23F, windy and rainy. Our summers are quite hot, sometimes hitting 113F, but it depends on the region.
>>51826628
>tfw you have a nice conversation with a georgian
But are Georgians racist to Americans?
>>51826685
Nah, we are okay with them. Georgians generally dislike mudslimes and nigs. Unless you are one of them, you should be okay.
