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>lets talk about our bullshit
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shes right you know
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that they can't recognize the bible

this is not news
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Jesus kicked out the old testament desu. So that whole show is a bit bullshit.
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I'm not sure what point this is trying to make.

The bible says it's okay to act like a durka-durka-jihad goatfucker, therefore we should all look the other way when muslims behave like durka-durka-jihad goatfuckers?
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>dutchkeks
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>>51815259
This

I fail to see where they are going with this?
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>>51815074
I thought "sleeping with someone" results in sex, not death.
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>>51815206
No he didn't.
He literally said "I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."
You're a fucking moron who didn't read the New Testament.
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>>51815259
In the Netherlands politicians like to portray the Quran as a book of hate. That's probably what they are going for.

Geert Wilders has said that the Quran should be banned as it's just as bad as Mein Kampf, which is banned (well, technically speaking it's not banned but the government holds the copyrights).
And that moderate muslims should remove the radical parts and cut down the Quran to the size of a Donald Duck.
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CHRISTIANS ON SUICIDE WATCH.
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>>51815420
>In the Netherlands politicians like to portray the Quran as a book of hate. That's probably what they are going for.
but that's exactly what it is

What kind of kindergarden-tier fallacy is this? "Bible is also full of hate, therefore the Quran cannot possibly be full of hate". How fucking retarded can you get?

I mean seriously, who the fuck in the Western World, in 2015, actually claims to be acting out of Christian religious motive? A tiny fucking minority who are demonized by the rest of society. Meanwhile, when a not-so-negligible Muslim population acts out of Muslim religious motive, they're defended because "MUH RELIGION OF PEACE".

It's retarded, BOTH fucking religions are shit if you actually properly follow them, the difference is that yuropoors for the most part stopped properly following the Bible a long time ago now (and for the most part they have no trouble demonizing those who still do).
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>>51815564
Maybe you should all stop ignoring Canada in this instance
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>>51815369
The law wasn't abolished, it was renewed. Christians traditionally have not followed Old Testament laws, it's only some Protestant sects who say otherwise. This is why Christians don't have to be circumcised or observe dietary restrictions.
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>>51815564
>actually claims to be acting out of Christian religious motive
We unironically have a Christian sharia party in the parliament though.
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>>51815716
who get less than 10% of the vote

And if the Netherlands are anything else like the rest of the Western World, I'm sure that the average Dutch person has no problem with openly criticizing their way of thinking. But apply the EXACT SAME STANDARDS with Islam and suddenly "boohoohoo muh islamophobia".
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>>51815808
They don't really get criticized, because they tend to be really polite. So they get police responses in return.
While Muslims are really rude, so they get lots of hate in return.
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>>51815808
Except that barely anybody whines about Islamophobia here, you fucking retard. Islam has been openly criticized for 10+ years here in the media/politics. Only Muslims get butthurt at that, which is to be expected.
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>>51815564
>I mean seriously, who the fuck in the Western World, in 2015, actually claims to be acting out of Christian religious motive? A tiny fucking minority who are demonized by the rest of society.
28% of Americans is hardly a tiny minority
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>>51815901
>police
*polite
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>>51815901
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Desu desu
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>>51815992
Someone never read any books
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In for triggered christc*cks
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6 Dec 2015
“Wives must submit to their husbands” – US Pastor blames feminism for destroying America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0250WNHGUo
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>>51816166
>batshit american protestantism
>representative of christianity
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>>51815074
couldn't care less

>>51815369
but they did.
>>51815716
would vote for.
>>51815495
what ever you say ahmed.
i say you musilms are butthurt about everyone that is not musilim but then again who am i to say.

I don't hate musilims by the way,
>Bible is also full of hate
It is , but christains don't act it out you know why?
The ten commandments says we can't.
>>51816059
Not really this is mild compared to the other threads bro.
I'm enjoying this thread a bit more to be honest family.
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>>51815697
That's not true.
Early Christians DID do those things.
It wasn't until later that they were thrown away.

"For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven"
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>>51816220

2015
0
1
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Christians are hypocrites. The bible is not a supermarket. Take it or leave it.
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CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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Ban all religions
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>>51816427
>Early Christians DID do those things.

That's because they were Jewish and too culturally bound to the old traditions to let go of them. Later converts from other parts of the world had no problem not bothering with the laws of Exodus and Leviticus.
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>>51819669
>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819709
>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819669
>pardon me while I conveniently start the timeline at the very point when European powers started to rise because the first 1400 years of Christian history where it was the Muslims doing all the butchery doesn't matter somehow
>also I'm going to ignore everything that happened in India and the Far East

that is an interesting piece of cherrypicked nonsense
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>>51819744
>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51815074
>religion
>2015
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>>51815074
>Open the video
>Vomiting sounds
>Close the video
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>>51819771
>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819788
this.
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>>51819807
>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819840
>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819887
>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819771
>You will never rape and fuck every women you see during the great wars

Why live
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>>51819914
>>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819840
Post more
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>>51819955
>>>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819987
>>>>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51819965
>Post more
here you go sven, maybe you'd empathize more with cumskins
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>>51819987
>>51820026
exterminating roaches isn't civilized?
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>>51819987
pushing a button is more civilized than beheading someone with a sword
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>>51820072
umm?
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>>51820092
>pushing a button is more civilized than beheading someone with a sword
it's less civilized, idiot. Pushing a button denies that person humanity, like they're an ant that doesn't exist while beheading at least regards them as people. It's why your own fucking nobility preferred beheading you stupid idiot.
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>>51820026
>>>>>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51820284
>>>>>>>>>>>>CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST IS CIVILISED UNLIKE MUSLIMS!
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>>51820206
it is the same as closing your eyes when pulling the trigger as opposed to butchering someone with your own strenght.

You lost.
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>>51819744
>>51819771
>>51819840
>>51819887
>>51819955
>>51819987
>>51820026
>>51820284
>>51820337

His prophet, considered to be the most righteous man on earth by muslims took part in massacres and enslavement of people

You lost.
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>>51820400
>His prophet, considered to be the most righteous man on earth by muslims took part in massacres and enslavement of people

nice lies, pierre

Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in God, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveller, the beggars, and to free the slaves... [2:177]

The charities are to go to the poor, and the needy, and those who work to collect them, and those whose hearts have been united, and to free the slaves, and those in debt, and in the cause of God, and the traveller. A duty from God, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise. [9:60]

The only method mentioned in The Quran for gaining captives (more correctly termed 'prisoners of war', not slaves) is during warfare, after which they must be released or ransomed. Keeping them is not an option:

Therefore, if you encounter those who deny the truth (in warfare), then bring about the captives until when you have subdued/overcome them, then strengthen the bind. Then after either grace/favour or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. That, and had God willed, surely He would have gained victory Himself from them, but He tests some of you with others. And those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste. [47:4]
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>>51820465
Muhammad fucked a 9 year old. Muhammad is also looked upon as the ideal man. I think that that is enough evidence for any rational minded non-pedophile to dismiss Islam
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>>51820526
>Muhammad fucked a 9 year old. Muhammad is also looked upon as the ideal man. I think that that is enough evidence for any rational minded non-pedophile to dismiss Islam

She wasn't 9, only record that even mentions her age is in al-bukhari, a century before he was even born it was indicated that her age was between 17-19

there, your entire argument shattered.
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>>51820465
> Muhammad's pronouncements regarding slavery simultaneously reinforced the principle of a slave's loyalty to his or her master and the master's circumscribed duty of reciprocation. By their fiat a master could sell and trade their slaves, and although the Qur'an frequently encourages the ransom or mukataba of slaves as a pious practice,[8][9] the act of emancipation was not incumbent upon believers

Plenty of slavery still in Mauritania and other islamic states. None in the Civilized West, since we abolished it.

Your argument that the west isn't civilized is resorting to photographs of Colonialism from the turn of the century. Meanwhile you can look at the same brutal treatment of women and non arabs going on in The Gulf states nowadays.
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>>51815074
what a shitty language they speak
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>>51820465
>nice lies, pierre
what you fucking mahmoud piece of shit?


where are the arameans, phoenicians, babylonians, iranians, berbers and egyptians?
huh?

fuck you
islam is the worst thing to happen to man kind
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>>51820684
>Plenty of slavery still in Mauritania and other islamic states. None in the Civilized West, since we abolished it.

and Catholic priests fuck little boys, do you see me claiming that was part of the teachings of jesus you stupid mongrel? No, you don't.
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>>51820596
But you would be wrong

http://sunnah.com/search/%D8%AA%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%84
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>>51820596
That's funny, because in Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236, it says that Aisha was married at 6, and consummated at 9
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>>51820736
>where are the arameans, phoenicians, babylonians, iranians, berbers and egyptians?
>huh?

they're in their countries? what are you asking, halfbreed?
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>>51820737
No, but slavery was permitted by Christ as it was the custom of the age.

The same is true in the Quran. Muhammad never told people they had to give up their slaves to become muslim, just to treat their slaves well. Exactly the same as in Christianity but six centuries later.
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>>51820752
you dumb m8? I said before the bukhari was born. All these hadiths were collected after he was born. And the hadiths are over 37,000 in length, they are really really bad when it comes to any numerical figure.
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>>51820737
One is a relatively uncommon occurrence, and widely condemned by the Catholic community and Western society writ large whenever the subject surfaces.
The other is an everyday, commonplace reality, and far from it being a matter of shame, people are openly supportive of those practices within those societies, or at best, choose to ignore it/sweep it under the rug of public opinion.
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>>51820766
>they're in their countries?
they dont
those people are just arabs and arabs mixed

you killed them all because they didnt want to accept your shit false religion
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>>51820737
>Catholic
its christianism mixed with paganism
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>>51820820
>The same is true in the Quran. Muhammad never told people they had to give up their slaves to become muslim, just to treat their slaves well. Exactly the same as in Christianity but six centuries later.

No christianity never said anything near what the Qur'an said. Abolishing slavery is the greatest act of charity possible to do in Islam. The prophet himself never pwned a single slave and he never enslaved anyone.

5:89 "God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful."

5:89 "God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful."

EVERY TIME slaves are ever mentioned it's about freeing them, regardless of their religious affiliation.
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>>51820841
>The Quran is the truth, except those bits that make it a barbarians lifestyle guidance book.
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>>51820875
>those people are just arabs and arabs mixed
No. Now stop talking, baboon.
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>>51820841
Right, but Bukhari is hardly untrusted though. No sunni's dispute its authenticity. You can't disregard it when its considered the legitimate words of Muhammad.

Aisha being that young was not unlikely given the culture of Arabia at the time. It's not a checkmate against Muhammad as a historical figure, but it shows how regressive the faiths founder is by modern standards as compared to Jesus, Siddhartha or other religious leaders
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>>51820936
>>The Quran is the truth, except those bits that make it a barbarians lifestyle guidance book.
>Quran
>Hadith
ok, kid
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All European royalty throughout history married children
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>>51820989

it's the same fucking sandrune rape guide book anyways.
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>>51820961
>massive spike downward after 641
>egypt was invaded by the arabs in 639
I wonder if there's a correlation
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>>51820961
fuck you dirty ugly arab
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>>51821010
And we don't exactly see anything that they've done is good or righteous today in civilized countries, now do we?
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>>51820987
>Aisha being that young was not unlikely given the culture of Arabia at the time. It's not a checkmate against Muhammad as a historical figure, but it shows how regressive the faiths founder is by modern standards as compared to Jesus, Siddhartha or other religious leaders

He's greater than all of them, idiot. None of them have any actual concrete history behind them with no records from their time ever surviving. Not to mention the fact that's it's not consistent with his life.

You're forgetting that if he wanted he could have had a dozen virgin brides younger than Ayesha and he would have been obeyed, don't you people have any critical thinking skills? Allmost all his other wives were barren widows for political goals, if he wanted to have twice the amount with lolis instead he would have.
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>>51820931
Ok m8, you clearly know more on Slavery in Islam than I do. But it's true that there was no outright ban by Muhammad. If he took that action it would have prevented centuries of slavery by the Barbary Pirates, Ottoman Empire and other islamic powers that justified their practices by having it permitted in the Quran.

The same would be true if slavery had been banned in the bible
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>>51821059
it says they converted, your point, monkey-man? Same can be said about you and your spear wielding ancestors, how sad they would be now as an autistic broken english speaking halfwit talking about mixed breeds.
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>>51821073
>he could have fucked a hundred kids but he only fucked one, WHAT A SAINT

How is life in your terrorist cell Akhmed?
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>>51821083
>Ok m8, you clearly know more on Slavery in Islam than I do. But it's true that there was no outright ban by Muhammad. If he took that action it would have prevented centuries of slavery by the Barbary Pirates, Ottoman Empire and other islamic powers that justified their practices by having it permitted in the Quran.

1-It's explicitly outlined and mentioned in the Qur'an that slaves should be freed, it was meant to be a gradual process until slavery was complete abolish as THE QUR'AN DOES NOT PERMIT THE TAKING OF SLAVES.
2-Ottomans were NOT ISLAMIC, they killed their own brothers once the sultan died. There is absolutely nothing Islamic about their rule or mindset.


>>51821118
>>he could have fucked a hundred kids but he only fucked one, WHAT A SAINT

I'm disputing that one ever did happen you idiot
>finns
>logic
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>>51821111
>This reading comprehesion
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>>51821189

Tip
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>>51821206
>ISIL supporter
>Logic

lel
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>>51821208
>This reading comprehesion
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>>51821223
>butthurt
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>>51821206
> The Ottomans weren't muslim
LOL. Tell that to the Christians and Jews they subjugated for centuries. It was a Caliphate and the official religion was islam. I could say "Spain wasn't Christian" during the inquisition but I would be full of shit.

Acting pious as your faith commands and being a member of a faith are two different things. All religious empires fell short of the ideals their religion commanded.
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Why you dont go to reddit? There must be special boards by Soros foundation, including muslim loving pitin hatin r/europe.
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>>51821233
it clearly says they mixed with arabs until they were breed out, imbecile

go back to your islamic school
>>51821254
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>>51821297
Ottomans mixed their turkic customs with their new religion.

>>51821318
>nomadic desert dwelling arabs were more numerous in number than city dwellers of several ancient empires

>Only Muslim Arabs were first-class citizens of this great empire. They
made up the core of the army and imperial administration, and only they
received a share of the booty derived from the ongoing conquests. They could
be taxed only for charity. The Umayyads sought to keep the Muslim warrior
elite concentrated in garrison towns and separated from the local population.
It was hoped that isolation would keep them from assimilating to the
subjugated cultures, because intermarriage meant conversion and the loss of
taxable subjects

ooga booga back to your cave
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>>51821400
>nomadic desert dwelling arabs were more numerous in number than city dwellers of several ancient empires
they killed most of them because they didnt want accept your false religion

if only i could go back in time so iranians can rekt your shit
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>>51816427
there are literally entire sections of the new testament dealing with this and you insist on ignoring them.

This is why they didnt want commoners being able to read the bible. If they would have known this would happen they would have placed the old testament in the back under appendixes and started with john. They tried to keep things chronological for scholarly purpose.
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because they never read the bible and thats why it's "not violence" like the quran. baka
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>>51821455
>they killed most of them because they didnt want accept your false religion

>On Amr's return the Egyptian population also worked with Amr.[30] In the book "The Great Arab Conquests" Hugh Kennedy writes "The pious biographer of Coptic patriarch Benjamin presents us with the striking image of the patriarch prayed for the success of the Muslim commander Amr against the Christians of the Cyrenaica. Benjamin survived for almost twenty years after the fall of Egypt to the Muslims, dying of full years and honour in 661. His body was laid to rest in the monastery of St Macarius, where he is still venerated as a saint. There can be no doubt that he played a major role in the survival of the Coptic Church"[29] Coptic patriarch Benjamin also prayed for Amr when he moved to take Libya.[31]

>In the book "The Great Arab Conquests" Hugh Kennedy writes "Even more striking is the verdict of John of Nikiu. John was no admirer of Muslim government and was fierce in his denunciation, but he says of Amr: 'He extracted the taxes which had been determined upon but he took none of the property of the churches, and he committed no act of spoliation or plunder, and he preserved them throughout all his days'"[32] He writes "Of all the early Muslim conquests, that of Egypt was the swiftest and most complete. Within a space of two years the country had come entirely under Arab rule. Even more remarkably, it has remained under Muslim rule ever since. Seldom in history can so massive a political change have happened so swiftly and been so long lasting."[32]

back to the cave, child
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>>51821318
>this butthurt caribean nig-nog

lel
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>There are people in this thread right now that worship the Demiurge god Yahweh

foolish humans
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>>51821613

t. Spaghetti Monster Worshipping Pastafarian
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But remember guys, Islam is a religion of peace.
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>>51821574
i bet im more lightskinned than you, dirty beaner
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>>51821765

and if you say otherwise you deserve to die.
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>>51821803
>lightskinned
And¿
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>>51815074
Let's make this a social "experiment thread"
Here's some Chicago girl telling uglies that they're beautiful
https://youtu.be/aW8BDgLpZkI
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>>51821809
Alluha Akbar desu
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>>51822143
This. Both books have violence, but just look at the most important person in Islam and the most important person in Christianity.
>Islam: Muhammed is a warlord and pedophile
>Christianity: Christ is a hippy, hangs around women, disabled, disenfranchised people. Pushes love and the golden rule.

If you're a Christian your role model Christ, was basically a hippy. If you're a Muslim your role model was a conqueror.
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>>51822235
>If you're a Christian your role model Christ

The Myth of a Non-Violent Jesus
http://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2014/04/30/the_myth_of_a_non-violent_jesus.html

Cruelty in the New Testament
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
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>>51815074
This just shows how average "Christian" didn't read the entire Bible yet lel.
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>>51815074
Fucking germans man, first luther and now this

Russian should had rape them all out of existance
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>>51815074
Christianity modernised.

Islam refuses to do so.

Now shoo.
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t. Abortion Clinic killers
t. Lord's Resistance Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
t. Anti-balaka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka
t. Christians killing gays in Uganda/Kenya etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=168gaNmaIFo
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