What are your thoughts on colonialism?
All in all, was it a positive or negative influence?
I would argue in the positive but I'm a direct beneficiary, then again colonialism is conquest under a different name.
Getting upset about it is like getting upset about all human history.
Pretty good from how I look at it
>countries get colonies
>countries get absurdly rich because of it
>absurdly rich countries will invest more into technology and science
>rich countries eventually share their knowledge with the rest of the world
>everybody in the world benefits
>rich countries even let their colonies go!
>all in all the standard of living has gone up for most of the world
>Siam
>Liberia
Alright. I want someone to rush in and just colonise their shit up.
My vote goes to Germany
>>51793349
>le colonialism was good meme
In reality it was just exploitation, just look at how the brits destroyed the indian economy to make them pretty much slaves
>>51793075
It was positive to those people who made loads of dosh forcing natives into wage slavery and concentration camps while slowly replacing them with their own nationals.
So no, it really wasn't a positive for all but the tiniest of minorities.
>>51793075
>Japan
Occupied by the USA for years. Okinawan Islands and other islands were basically USA Territory until the 1970s.
>Liberia
Created by the USA to get rid of niggers. Shame we didn't keep sending them there.
>>51793352
>Siam
get with the time, gramps
>>51793728
not europe
>>51793569
It's not a meme, more wealth means you have to spend less on survival which means you can put more effort in development which require knowledge, that knowledge will spread.
Also the whole colonization and the competition which went together with it was a very educational and motivational thing for nations.
Europeans have invented so much which solved a lot of the starving in the world, saved a lot of lives because of their medicine and also just made life better in general because better technology means they can build better things.
Yes of course, it sure as hell wasn't the plan to do this but this is how it went down.
>>51793569
>implying they pood in loo before the brits came
Buttblasted shitskin detected
>>51793667
>MFW you only exist because of colonialism.
you're welcome btw.
>>51793075
It had positive effect on Europe, and negative everywhere else except the new world cause of population replacement.
>>51793895
What about industrialization?
I mean, China has been a high civilization for thousands of years without having an industrial revolution
>>51793895
How are their lives worse? It isn't good but they've got cars and all kinds of modern technology, most people can eat well (yes, compared to the far past this is a luxery!) and have access to okayish medicine (yet another luxery compared to the past).
>>51793880
Just because the outcome was good doesn't make the methods any less deplorable.
>You're welcome btw
Only good thing Britian ever did: Help create Canada, Australia, the USA and New Zealand.
Its colonial history apart from that is one of starvation and utter misery for the native population.
>>51793990
It destroyed their political systems and incited tensions within the countries it created, which only existed due to the off of the ignorance of European diplomants.
Really it ruined their cultures and hampered their development by making their economies dependent on Europe, to this day.
What use does the average person from Angola or Sierra Leone have for diamonds or oil?
>>51794022
>he says in english.
>on a british invention.
>>51793075
I appreciate the french colonization of my country.
all they did was building a school in my home town (pic related) , making roads, establishing sport teams, radio stations, newspapers , introducing locals to new technologies and cultures
and desu I don't mind getting colonized today by Germany, Canada or any first world country that know how to rule things
pic related - the school i studied in , it was established in 1939 by the french , most of the teachers were french
>>51794363
Well can't help that they have corrupt governments and a culture that is more accepting towards violence.
Asian ex-colonies and even some African ones are doing fine and even very good when compared their past, in fact they are now countries of opportunities.
>>51794521
>>51794363
He is right to a certain degree.
Look at god damn Singapore or Vietnam even.
>>51794450
>>he says in english.
https://www.pbs.org/speak/ahead/change/ruining/
>>on a british invention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM
>>51794521
>>51794363
I would to add though that I agree that the situation set up by the Europeans was pretty shitty in a lot of cases.
But how people RESPOND to that situation is up to them, so what I'm saying is that you can't forever blame Europe for example fighting over some border it is them who can negotiate something but refuse to do that.
>>51793895
>It had positive effect on Europe
How? They are receiving more and more third world immigrants.
>>51793352
Liberia was an American colony
>>51794676
>IBM made the first computer
i bet you think halo invented FPS and AssCreed invented sitting down too
>>51793075
>>51793349
>>51793569
I can honestly say some of the most positive aspects of Indian life are a direct result of British empire. Our extensive Railway system, our Judicial System, Our English Language schooling system which is the direct cause of booming service sector (outsourcing, entrepreneurship etc)
but then again you exploited us, caused mass famines that killed millions and raped our women & children.
>>51794870
>IBM made the first computer
Do you not like screens, a keyboard, and integrated circuits?
>>51793569
But before that Indians exploited other indians and made them pretty much slaves
>>51794963
>raped our women and children
Sounds like they were embracing Indian culture
>>51794963
>Raped our women and children
I thought you people enjoyed when foreigners engaged in the local culture.
>>51794963
>raping women and children
When in Rome..
The only bad thing is the cultural imposition.
It's hard as fuck to fix it.
Not even Canada can't fix it. Their Natives still can't adapt to Western culture and live in poverty.
>>51795008
>>51795079
Our's to rape and enslave I guess
I will say that some people from my grandparents generation miss the organization and culture of the British Raj.
Japan was under at least partial control desu senpai
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Expedition
>>51793075
If Persia was considered to be on the Brittish sphere of influence, shouldn't Siam be too? I mean Thailand just wasn't colonized by France, Netherlands or another nation because it was a friend of the Commonwealth.
>>51793075
Positive imo. We missed the worst of it due to our small size and sheer irrelevancy. Indians and Sri Lankans may disagree.
>>51795430
That was just to open Japan from its isolationism though, the US didn't want to effectively control Japan.
>>51795633
Rare flag Alert
>>51794767
>>51794521
That's fair enough, and would be correct, but the situation in many of the Ex-European countries was really untenable for decades, and has only just started to show signs of improvement.
That's not to say countries didn't ruin it for themselves from time to time (Take Mugabe in Zimbabwe or the ANC in South Africa), but the economies in countries in West Africa especially almost solely depended on western markets, because their economies were structured like that in the years prior to their independence.
What would your average African president do, continue to supply profitable minerals to established companies, or risk crashing your economy by switching to unprofitable substance farming?
>>51795430
US isn't Europe.
>>51793761
>Konigreich "Thai"land
>Keine ruhmreich name "Siam"
Gitten guden, scrubben
>>51793569
The short-term damage to the Indian economy has been offset by the long term economic benefits of colonisation plus all the cultural and legal shit they got out of it.
It's only purely exploitative regimes like Belgium in the Congo where there was benefits to both.
>>51793349
>countries get colonies
>countries get absurdly rich because of it
>absurdly rich countries will invest more into technology and science
Pretty sure Western Europe becoming so advanced had little to do with colonies and everything to do with inherent white superiority
Just look at how much Germany and Italy contributed despite having no colonies
>>51793075
>russia
>yurop
No.
>>51794963
>caused mass famines that killed millions
Why would we want to cause a famine? You know your country has had them all throughout history
>>51793075
Great. Too bad empires lost their influece.
>>51795794
You're right, my bad
>>51795313
>live in poverty
That's their own fault really. Many reserves are incredibly nice inside and they live very good lifestyles. They might not adapt entirely, but the cases of poverty are because of corrupt Chiefs that don't give their people any of the wealth. Natives refuse to let the government look into their spendings of government money even when millions of dollars seem to have vanished and the reserve needs upgrades to housing etc.
In college I had a native roommate. While I was a starving student, he bought a new truck with cash and went to the bars downtown almost every night while still a fulltime student, and had no debt afterwards. Canada has actually taken care of the natives far more than most countries
Good for the world, white europeans ended slavery worldwide and introduced the marvels of the industrial revolution. Consider this, would the japanese be better off with their totalitarian emperor if we had allowed it to go on until today, or are they better of, just seeing it in net benefits, being nuked? Good for europe in that we can import a greater variety of products from all over Europe. Bad in that foolish politicians make us pay welfare checks to every brown asshole on the planet.
>Japan
>Never Colonized
>>51793075
colonialism was shit for ireland
-le famine
-caused poverty which continued until the 1990s
-caused many wars
-destroyed the irish language
-made natives an underclass
>>51795860
>despite having no colonies
>>51793569
Yeah, it was awful
>>51794491
What a kek.
>>51795946
Yeah, that's right on the money. If you look at black americans they have gotten increasingly worse off the more benefits they recieve. The welfare state is utterly toxic to the social groups at the bottom of the totem pole because it gives them every incentive to stay at the bottom.
>>51796060
You had like two shitty colonies at the beginning of the 20th century m8
Are you trying to claim that German and Italian advance in science from the 16th to the 20th centuries are steaming from the couple of African shitholes they conquered in late 19th century?
Overall I'd say the negatives outweigh the positives. Seems rather dishonest to think that in general, it was good for anyone other than colonists.
>>51796127
It's too easily abused, but it's not a bad thing that it exists.
>>51795906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
"If food is so scarce, why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?"
Actual Churchill quote, must admit quite witty but pretty fucked
>>51794963
The british didn't cause any famines. The poor agricultural techniques caused them. Poverty and starvation are the natural states of human beings. You don't DO anything to cause it to happen. You have to do things to avoid it, and that's what white europeans have done for the world. Oh, and the roman equality for the law, end of slavery etc.
>>51794491
>Colonialism =/= Civilizing Missions
The French tried to assimilate their colonies into their culture by bringing civilization(French schools, infrastructure, factories and etc). It wasn't pure exploitation
I wish "Civilizing" was still a thing. Africa and the middle east needs it.
>Thanks, Liberals! Every culture has the same worth :^)
>>51795954
Slavery was ended but replaced with similar shit like indentured labour or forced labour.
>>51796127
You are ignoring way to much of the shit that's happened to them and government, social and their own reactions from their entire history to those just to blame it on welfare.
>>51796216
Which is it? I mean, the consequences seem to be pretty awful all over the world. We have the rise of the single moms who are now pooping out low-quality humans at an exponentially increasing rate. Racism is suddenly back because we need a way to explain the failure of the groups that fail because of welfare. I'm telling you, this will get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.
>>51796269
Is that true? What happened to blacks after the emancipation proclamation? How easy was it to get good jobs/education?
>>51795860
Europe almost owned the entire planet, from what I can tell it makes them pretty wealthy and makes them develop technology faster and this technology can spread to neighboring nations pretty fast.
With technology life gets more comfy and you can focus on other stuff then survival.
I think the colonies had a lot to do with it because Europe suddenly rose to success when they started expanding outside of it more and more, maybe the competition it created also was just as much as a driving force though.
>>51796366
Black americans were going up, climbing the social ladder like all hell in the 50's. Then welfare happened with Lyndon's great society and the trend reversed. It seems strange that "entire history" is the cause of such a sudden shift. It seems like a convenient scapegoat for socialist jackasses that don't want to admit that the fault lies with the government programs and don't give a fuck about poor people or what happens to them.
>>51796060
Eritrea and Libya you mean? Weren't they pretty useless overall?
>>51796504
>Europe almost owned the entire planet, from what I can tell it makes them pretty wealthy and makes them develop technology faster and this technology can spread to neighboring nations pretty fast.
Europe conquered the world thank to superior technology
Colonies werent the cause for europe's technological superiority, they were a consequence of it
>>51796496
it was hard.
check out "the black codes" and the "jim crow".
I wish african colonies had lasted a little bit longer, the world would probably be better off
>>51796266
They brought "civilization" only so that they could have administrators to better exploit their colonies.
They never built factories more factories than they needed to satisfy European market demands.
They never instituted sustainable farming so that the native population would have a surplus.
They never divvied up the ownership of land so that the average people could have property of their own.
The system they created simply wasn't healthy, nor was it meant to be sustainable in the long term once they left. The few exceptions like in Liberia fell apart soon due to a military coup.
>>51796366
With Black Americans it is an entirely different matter, but the results are the same as with the natives, sometimes worse because at least Native Americans literally get free money from the government.
However, they have had far more chances than the others to move up in their lot in life than most countries. That some have done so while others haven't indicates that there is a cultural stigma towards education that's not prevalent in most cultures.
>>51793075
Thanks europe for civilizating us
>>51796251
Well the 1943 famines in India were caused by Churchill making India over export for Britains war efforts and World War 2 Allies like Greece, leaving the native population underfed.
He also felt that there was a chance Japan could use Bengal as a landing point for there war efforts
He basically cut off Bengal and refused to send any food back.
100% not self inflicted
Without colonialism my country wouldn't exist.
So I think it's great.
Fuck the natives (like I did in high school)
>>51797028
De nada, Pedro
Dame la mochila now
>>51797103
migo migo migo
>>51797101
How's life with AIDs working out dude?
>>51797214
You want to get them while they are young Jamal, before they get AIDs. (Seriously though, it was just one girl, half-indian and off reserve.)
>>51795958
You still didn't colonize Japan
>>51796110
>i dont know it already
fuck your retarded national pride lol
>>51795958
Renting out a port for trading rights isn't the same as owning it.
That's like saying the US owns Cuba because of Guantanamo
>>51793075
the world is European.
>>51793876
>implying they poo in the loo now
>>51797065
I get that, and the same thing happened with the germans here. People rioted in Oslo and in the countryside people ate the bark off of trees, in large areas trees were stripped bare. People butchered their pets and started farming in their backyard. That was a war thing though, not a colonialism thing.
>>51795633
Uncommon
>>51794795
Exactly. You reap what you sow. A huge portion of the foreigners are in Europe because of colonies, definitely not all of them but still.
>turkey is conquered by Europeans
loss of territory=/=colonization
Literally occupied for 5 years.
Fuck Belanda, say yes to JAPAN.
JAPAN DID NOTHING WRONG
>>51796734
If the colonies were all just for fun and games I don't see why they would put so much effort into conquering and keeping them. Europe did transform because of the trade and yes it was the trade tradesmen built many great houses in that time and investment companies were growing, so I don't see how you can say that an increased living standard for more somehow doesn't help development.
>>51797734
What the fuck is a Belanda?
>>51797374
C.U.C.K.O.L.D
Also really you'd let modern Germany rule you? They'd turn Tunisia into a refugee camp if they got their hands on you.
>>51797847
*grabs by the throat*
Stop being mean to him!
WE GOT THE GOLD BACK
>>51797740
If your power didn't get it then they would get it and get massive money from it.
>>51797776
Indonesian for Dutch
>>51796852
They were actually still pretty fucking poor.
Thomas Sowell made some meme up about Black Detroitans owning most of their houses in the 60's but over 20% of Detroit's adult black population in the 1950s and 1960s was out of work, along with 30% of black youth between eighteen and twenty-four.
Then there was legalized and institutionalized racism that was still pretty prominent there at the time going strong.
>>51796978
Well Black culture is pretty heavily derived from Southern culture which is pretty anti educational as is so the problems in both groups in regards to education are pretty similar.
The initial wave of colonialism was pretty awful, but once colonies became efforts in nation building for the most part they were perfectly fine.
Sure you had the occasional Congo but don't pretend that was typical.
>>51793075
As a descendant of colonists, it was great senpai.
>>51793728
Why did we stop sending people to Liberia?
I'd've thought that the gov't would've been all for that during the race protests back in the 60s.
>>51796978
>They brought "civilization" only so that they could have administrators to better exploit their colonies.
Well yes, exploiting the resources optimally is a good thing.
>They never built factories more factories than they needed to satisfy European market demands.
Because the continent had a comparative advantage when it came to industry
>They never instituted sustainable farming so that the native population would have a surplus.
How did they survive then?
>They never divvied up the ownership of land so that the average people could have property of their own.
Is respecting the local customs a bad thing now?
>Countries under "European" control
>Germany's pathetic attempt to include itself
The only ones that matter are the English, the French, the Moor-I mean Spanish, Albt-portugal and the Dutch. Even among those the only ones that matter are Britain and France. Germany started two wars over being assblasted about it's pathetic "empire" and got BTFO both times.
>>51801716
someone post the youtube clip pls
>>51793075
fix'd :^)
>>51793075
America's an extension of Europe
So Liberia should be green
>>51801968
fixed
>>51801216
Do you even know the fucking purpose of the ADC or Liberia at all?
>>51793880
Thank you based England.
>>51793075
Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan should be green.
>>51793075
>Japan
What is Nagazaki?
Japan should be light green. Fix it
>>51795893
>russia
this
>>51804410
Bravo Portugal
>>51804500
Take that guy back to Turkey.
>>51797682
4 değil mi?
>positive influence
modern medicine and infrastructure, wich increased life expectancy.
>negative influence
the destruction of local social structures.
>>51793075
>Ethiopia
>>51793569
Their culture was inferior though. I mean I wpuldn't argue it wasn't fucked up, but if they hadn't forced natives to civilize we wouldn't be this advanced. I wouldn't say it was good in a moral sense but in terms of technology and improvements in quality of life it was a good time. I mean sure there was raping and looting but people have been raping and looting since humans walked on two legs. Fuck even chimpanzees have been found to murder eachother in cold blood. The Roman empire we all owe our civilization to murdered a fuckload of celtics and gauls and destroyed their culture but nobody hates Italians for it.
>>51796978
France spend more on her colonies than what colonies bring to her.
It's one of the main reason French economy performed so well after de-colonization. All the benefit from colonization and no more duty.
