Russia has restrained food not only from Western countries but from Turkey.
Add to this, the prices most food in Russia has been expensive. Are Russians going to starve to death?
sure hope so
Nah, they'll just start eating babies, just like the Irish did.
>>51683749
One of them will start to export food.
profit > butthurt ex-commies
>>51683819
Germans have truly appropriated the cynical and immoral habits of the jews in smashing success.
>>51683800
Yeah, they ate some humans because of starvation. They couldn't starve very much now, but they still continue it because it's like their custom.
I'd not surprise whatever they did.
>>51684562
>>51684605
Police: Cannibalism suspected in Russian 'Granny Ripper' case
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/07/world/russia-granny-ripper-cannibalism/
Oops, I have to bring some sources.
http://www.newsweek.com/russia-vs-turkey-ban-or-not-ban-399871
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/26/food-fight-russia-tightens-grip-on-turkey-imports.html
In really, Russia had been importing much food from Western countries.
Since Russia has banned it, it's lack or expensive.
>>51683749
entire 4 chan was cheering for russians to starve last year when ruble was down the drain and poland was stuck with its apples.
Russians on the other hand just had trouble getting mascarpone cheese and didnt eat tiramisu as often as they did.
>>51686160
>entire 4 chan was cheering for russians to starve last year when ruble was down the drain
>was
>>51683749
Russian's don't think about these kind of things that way.
Most important thing that matters to them is that their country is feared and respected. It is important that their fellow countrymen beat those "NATO niggers and faggots" in Ukraine. Average Russian is used to live like shit for the glory of motherland. This is due to their Soviet mindset.
Smarter Russians have understood by now that their country is in hopeless situation. Putin will not give up Crimea nor the parts of Eastern Ukraine. If he did this, his people would see him as weak NATO c.uck. So he will keep the conflict active and he will keep spending money on that shit, hoping that the EU and US will not keep their sanctions. All while the economy of his country is in freefall.
Russian leaders aren't economical thinkers. Nor are they smart enough to get themselves some advisors who know the basics of economy. It's a corrupt country, so it's hard to get to power because of your abilities and knowledge. Instead of a clever and educated minister, ruling elite prefers those who are loyal and who will do what they are told.
I'm anxiously waiting what will happen to Russia. Western economists may predict all kind of things, but they think that Russians are people like us - people with our common sense and western mindset. But they are wrong. So I would very much like to see what happens when Russian lumpen doesn't recieve their daily bread and circus.
Also, I would like to see what will China do. They had a deal with Russians that they will rent some land in Siberia for 49 years. But USSR rented Kalinigrad also for 50 years as agreed in Potsdam in 1945. The contract ended in 1995 but they have still not given it back.
Russia is in deep shit.
>>51686998
t. Lasnamae über
>>51686998
+ 0,2€
>>51686998
Putin would try to survive even if Russian people's souls and food were sacrificed.
>we gonna ban food entering russia
>vova, ur of genius
>>51687450
Yes, but his end is only a matter of time.
Although Putin's team doesn't consist of braindamaged thugs like Janukovich's team, his team's loyalty will disappear when the money stops flowing into their pockets.
The common people are not the threat for Vova, the elite is. Common people are easily manipulated. Just get somebody on tv saying that our Great Leader Putin is doing eveything for us, but it's the jews and faggots in the west who try to sabotage us so we must stay together, shut up and eat less - and the people believe him. For a while.
It's the hunger I'm most worried about. It's easier with death - people die all the time, women will give birth to another. But hunger makes people do crazy stuff.
we should be already dead from starving for like a year according to /int/ autists
>>51686998
>>51683749
How much does NATO pay you? It's pretty clear that Russia has the land to grow their own food
How is life in russia? I haven't lot from there after they dismantled relations to west?
Do you guys see putin's sanctions in your daily life anyhow?
>>51689325
t.russian in finland, who thinks it is all conspiracy
Hilarious that Russia even bothers to sanction stuff like food.
>>51685654
>Canada
>American bacon
>>51686160
Serb, I take it?
>>51689420
Do you seriously think Russia lacks farmland? Fucking retard
>>51689359
We have hyper inflation (~12%) second year in a row so it mostly about every food became expensive. And because of sanctions I hardly can find a good cheese.
>>51689530
>And because of sanctions I hardly can find a good cheese.
Have you thought about trying to make your own cheese? I hear cheesemakers are pretty well-regarded by Jeebus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xLUEMj6cwA
>>51689530
That's not even close to hyperinflation. Of course interest rates might be a killer to businesses.
Where do you import food now? It is daily news here suoermarket chains etc. are pulling out from russia, but that's all coverage I've seen.
>>51689506
Russia has never managed to utilize that farmland in their history. It's a land of eternal famine, poverty and grayness.
>>51689325
>>51689506
Just because some guy has a factory with all the nescessary machines and unemployed people, doesn't mean that he can actually produce stuff he needs. It doesn't work that way.
Why do you even argue about if you don't even know the basics of economy?
>>51689506
Yes, there's that famous Russian farmland and growing climate.
Actually, since they're stealing Ukraine, which has some of the best farmland in the world, there's some validity to this.
Funny side note: some of the folks in the part of the risk midwest where I grew up (north-central Illinois) would brag that the soil was second only to Ukraine's. I guess that among farmers, Ukraine's soil is world-renowned.
>>51689720
>have factory
>have people
>can't produce anything
Baltic logic
>>51683749
cockhole pls
>>51687577
>mfw no sanctions on Russia
>mfw our agricultural exports are highest ever
and now with Turkey out it will get even better
>>51689767
How the hell you can be so retarded. We have even an education system to deliver you information and statistics, but somehow you just spawn that fucking ignorant bullshit. It looks like you really don't have an idea what are the challenges in russian economy and society.
They won't starve but shits getting expensive over there especially with the insane inflation going on. Putin seriously thinks heavy protectionism somehow will strengthen the Russian economy, but that's old 19th century mumbo jumbo that no economist takes seriously any longer.
>>51689530
You're doing the same mistake we did. We got economically isolated from almost every country for half a century and when we finally made it to the global market we couldn't afford to recover, because we had different pricing system and things costed much more abroad. That lead to inflation and even nowadays we haven't fully recovered from it. With Russia it's different because you can recover that, but the middle and poor class will have it hard.
>>51689947
>but the middle and poor class will have it hard
I don't think Putin even knows any middle class people, let alone poor people.
>>51689741
Tbh the whole area encircled is twice the size of Germoney and they have even better growing conditions there (hot, sunny and sufficiently wet summers), who cares if winters are a bit colder, plus lots of fertile black soil. They could be more than double self sufficient with that
>>51690457
...and in fact they seem to be using it too
>>51689904
There were people starving in Russia long before the sanctions m8.
Also, it's not about protectionism. It's common Russian vatnik logic. Putin took those sanctions as an insult - and when vatnik gets insulted, he cannot just walk away. He would appear weak that way. So he insults them back.
So it is a common logic for them - if they try to boycott us, then we will boycott them also.
It doesn't matter if it strengthens Russia's economy or not. Russia's econpmy is shit anyway. People have always lived like shit in Russia. What matters is that they tell "faggot and nigger infested west " to fuck off.
>>51683749
Half the food is already grown in household gardens. Add to that Russia being a major exporter of food, only the rich liberals are affected as their French pate doubles in price.
>>51690555
Of course vengeance is the main reasons for the counter-sanctions, but during interviews with Putin I noted that he said that this affair would strengthen the Russian economy because western goods don't undermine the Russian industry. It's the kind of reasoning that you'd expect of a leader from the 1800s.
>>51690457
>actually expecting an american to use logic instead of sprouting communism memes
>>51683749
Brazil sells high quality meat to Russia.
>>51690742
I have no idea if Putin tries to convince himself or his people that this will strengthen their economy. I'm pretty sure by now that Putin doesn't even know the basics of economy. Well, you can be an idiot and rule. I mean look at Estonia. But nobody has forbidden the use of advisors.
I get it that protectionism was common in 1800s. But it's completely stupid to do it when you are in economic crisis. Even the leaders in 1800s relized this.
>>51690772
But the transportation cost is expensive.
Once again: russians just keep quiet.
I'd like hear those guys, but russian immigrants, ridf and other retards just kill all interests to this thread.
In next decades russia will slowly float into new soviet union and you won't get any information from there. Use your chance now, this is a historical window to inside russia now.
>>51691133
Virtually every country that has gotten rich has done so via protectionism and state directed industrial policy.
If the USA had listened to liberal economists it would still be a poor resource colony for the rich Europe.
Veri ded, veri starv.
Stabilnost
>>51691423
This thread is predictabely boring and stupid, why bothering yourself replying to it? This historical window you talk about is bigger than your countries internet. Russian is 3rd spolen language in internet after english and german (if chinks are not counted) if i remember correctly.
>>51689530
>And because of sanctions I hardly can find a good cheese
Like I said, only the upper middle class is negatively affected. They grasp at any straw (hyperinflation!!!) to justify their desire to betray their country for access to foreign luxuries.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/free-trade-is-elties-betraying-their-own-populations/
>>51690555
>There were people starving in Russia long before the sanctions m8
Proofs?
>>51691437
All rich economies today are open and liberal, it's all about free trade and tearing down boundaries. That's how you get competition and grow a more efficient economy. And you can't really take old pre-globalism protectionism of the past to the modern world and expect it to work as a legitimate economic model. Just look at China, compare it to its pre and post protectionist era.
In the past protectionism was used as a political tool of the elite, not as a way to make the lives of the people better.
R8 my supper.
StaBLINnost
>>51690742
>I never have taken a college class on political economy or international trade
There are logical and valid reasons for what he is doing.
But the truth is that if sanctions are renewed next year Russia should remove the import ban.
>>51691872
>free trade is always perfect
>all rich countries have free trade
If that's true what are the TTIP and TTP for?
You have not taken a class in international trade and political economy, have you? Or have you forgotten it?
>>51691637
>Russian is 3rd spolen language in internet after english and german (if chinks are not counted) if i remember correctly
Which is somehow connected to the topic?
The percentage is around 2 and it only tells how isolated russian language is (character barrier, no education, local "Internet" is mainly used, etc).
>>51691872
>free market fix it
only if avarage education level is high.if not their economy will get dominated by foreigners. education make country better,not free markets.Rarely some dictators rule was good
>>51691884
You
Should be starving and send your supper to me
>>51692034
I've studied a bit of economic history, and it's clear that the trend is moving towards an ever more inclusive and open global economy. All these trade deals are just steppes towards that inevitable result.
>>51691872
They got rich under protectionism and state led economy. They have gotten poorer, well being has decreased and infrastructure has been neglected under 'free trade'.
China does not and has never had a post-protectionist period. It still has capital controls, strong subsidies and industrial policy.
But you apparently are completely detached from reality.
>>51683749
These are very good things that will force our farms and companies produce more domestic food. One of few good archievements of our current government which is far from being good in general. Once a giant farm, we gave up too much and now we buy vegetables from Iranians and Jews. That's ridiculous and must be stopped.
>>51692107
Even frigging Nigeria is benefiting from a more open trade climate. I'd say the main reason why poor nations stay poor is corruption and an inefficient bureaucracy.
I've read about how Japanese peasants were going destitute when they were forced at gunpoint to open their trade to some of the western nations. Well, look where Japan stands now. Infinity richer than any of her neighbours except South Korea. Yeah, going from a closed economy to an open one in one go can hurt, so it's better to take it small steppes, but it will ultimately lead to a more competitive economy.
>>51692307
That didn't work in Russia as we see. 20 years of degradation.
>>51692231
China during Mao was expected to be self-reliant on everything. They seriously though that it would be economically viable for villagers to spend a day a week looking for iron to melt in the communal ironworks, contrary to importing cheap foreign iron. Mao's idea of protectionism killed million. If you are comparing that to modern China then you are the detached one.
>>51692143
Exlain 1914-1944 then.
>>51692368
Your leaders in the 90s dropped the ball though, they sold off anything of value to private owners for almost nothing.
>>51692455
A point in history more economically open and globally exposed than the previous one, what is there to explain?
>>51692307
Explain Japan, south korea, and Germany.
>>51692466
Yes. Capitalism. Free market. The stronger one survives.
>>51683749
We have enough resources to support ourselves it's just our government is retarded and corrupt to stop import from outside of the country.
>>51692513
He can't because Swedes are so brainwashed and can't even think into other situations than what their are taught in their shitty schools
>>51692528
It's pretty poor capitalism to give away things almost for free. Plus your society had a bit of a breakdown so it's not like you can compare it to the slow progress of protectionism to open world markets of the west.
>>51692609
Yeah, those fine schools ain't teach you anything man
>>51692511
Pic related.
Trade's share of global GDP declined from 40% to 20% from 1913-1950.
The world economy grew faster than 1% per year which explains the drop in share.
Did they not teach you this?
>>51692621
The stronger ones used their power to buy stuff for almost free. Competition!nThe strongest one becomesbstronger, the weaker ones die. Trully, the real capitalism without protectionism and other socialist filth you have there, communist.
We didn't put sanctions on Russia, time to export some stuff hehe :-DDD
too bad we're a small country ;_;
>>51692777
No, you are one the superpowers when it comes to making bad decision.
Japs are evil and malevolent people
>>51692777
http://www.time.mk/c/825bbeadc5/makedonija-ja-koristi-situacija-go-zgolemuva-izvozot-vo-rusija.html
>>51692777
>We didn't put sanctions on Russia
Nice numbers.
Btw, Russia did the sanctions if you didn't know
>>51692723
I presume it's because of the growing service sector. Even amongst the most industrially oriented western nations of today there is a service market twice the size of the industrial sector.
>>51692307
>Well, look where Japan stands now
I didn't know, emperor completely let free trade and watch his countries economy hijacked by westerns.If you think japan get richer because of free trade you're retarded.Emperor was autocrat as fuck, and they improved themselves because of deengineering.
>>51692513
I don't think you read my post since you asked me to explain Japan.
Quite few countries have taken this brave step to isolationism and agriculturalism.
I think only Pol Pot have have it before Putin?
>>51693150
U forgot the USSR
>>51692873
Russia did but only as a response to sanctions on them in the first place. Countries that didn't impose sanctions on Russia (like Serbia and us) weren't sanctioned on their food exports.
(rubs hands as exports increase)
>>51693225
Hmm...
Maybe, I'm not sure. USSR was a cool invention at the time, when there have been slavery. I think it wasn't a step back like Putin is doing now and like Pol Pot did?
>>51692873
The sanctions came from the EU and America, and Russia responded with sanctions that most favored Russian producers and Russian allies/supporters.
It wasn't Russia randomly sanctioning everyone.
>>51692997
I'm talking about 1913-1950 when the manufacturing sector was still growing as a share of GDP. All the wars, protectionist measures, colonial was, and the overall breakdown and loss of trust in the free market because of 1929.
Maybe you're thinking about present times when we've seen a precipitous drop in Trade to GDP since 2011. TE is talking about this a lot. Trade and globalization is their baby and they hate seeing it struggle.
>>51693066
When people couldn't live as peasants because of an ever decreasing price of grain they moved to the cities to start working for the industry. The industry was there because wise Japanese statesmen decided to invest a lot in education, had a belief in their nation and wished to modernise it. The drive to modernise came mainly from competition with western nations, both politically and though the market.
It's basically the story of every successful and wealthy nation out there. Of course an open market alone can't make shit good well for a country, I never claimed that in the first place.
>>51692435
That has nothing to do with this. You only bring up insane warlords because you are stupid and have no arguments.
They have capital controls and state directed economy. You argued post-protectionist period which has not existed.
>>51693067
Japan 1945-present is one of the most protectionist and currency manipulating nations on the planet.
Yet they are relatively rich compared to free trade nations like Taiwan, Panama, or Spain. I'm not saying it's the only reason, simply that there is a divergence from the belief that free trade is the factor that makes nations rich.
Russia is still dun goofing either way since I think they should punish their rich before they punish their poor.
>>51683819
>Poortugal
>>51693310
Somehow I think genocidal communist dictators have more to do with a nation's problems than isolation.
Maybe that isolation happened because of the genocidal communist dictator? Wouldn't you think?
>>51693365
>The drive to modernise came mainly from competition with western nations
True but soviets was also making piisng contest with USA.They didn't end up well.
My point is before Emperor Mejji Japan wasn't industrialized enough, and Mejji was not full blown free market guy.He was and autocrat and idealist.
> Of course an open market alone can't make shit good well for a country, I never claimed that in the first place.
Then sorry, if I misunderstand you, no harsh feelings.
>>51693365
>When people couldn't live as peasants because of an ever decreasing price of grain they moved to the cities to start working for the industry.
Not that simple. British stole their traditional lands.
http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain
>>51693423
Japan as a country is more structurally sound than those other nations you listed. You need structure to be competitive too, probably more than free trade.
I'd rather live in a benign but functioning dictatorship than a dystopian democracy.
>>51693150
Jesus christ. What a horrible understanding of history!
You're forgetting about all the other nations that did the same thing, and trying to say putting food sanctions on the 8-9 countries who sanctioned Russia is Putin going Pol Pot.
Go ask
>>>/his/
>>51693747
Okay so Japan's protectionist measures were smart and worked well because Japan is educated, not as corrupt, and patriotic.
Growing an economy is like dressing for an interview. You need relatively good institutions, relatively good domestic policy, and relaticely good domestic education.
Free trade is the tie you put on at the end to give you that extra 1-2% chance of getting the job. If you don't put the tie on correctly, it looks like shit and you lose 3-4%.
But learning to tie a tie is a lot easier and cheaper than getting nice expensive pants and a nice expensive jacket.
>>51693966
continued*
And it's difficult to fuck up putting on your pants properly. Putting on a tie requires time and practice.
I hope the analogy makes sense!
>>51693769
>Russia is Putin going Pol Pot.
There are lot of things in Russia which remind me Pol Pot. I feel so sorry for 22.9M russians who are living under poverty line because of these horrible polpotian actions.
I believe God and good will finally win and Russian people will have their chance. It won't happen in next few decades, but at the end of this century it is still possible.
>>51694090
Hahahhahahaha
Pol Pot killed half his people.
Putin has mostly killed foreigners.
Go kill your autistic self. No one can take you seriously when you compare Putin to Pol Pot because of some food sanctions on the EU.
Why don't you fix your economy first?
>>51683749
Right now I'm starving. Pls send some food.
>>51694667
Move to finlan we'll save you from pol pot
>>51694667
But the food self-sufficiency ratio of Russia is higher, isn't it?
>>51694795
Nope. Our people can't make anything for themselves, they were completely caught by surprise there. Shit happens. And now we're starving.
>>51694774
>from pol pot to ghengis khan
not sure if want :DDDDDDDDDD
>>51694774
I don't think the border guards will let him in.
>>51694837
Sorry, but we can give you nothing.
>>51694893
He can pretend to be a black nigger or oppressed mudslim ;)
>>51694914
We don't need anything from Japan. It's not like you can give us anything anyway
>>51694998
Hahahahaha, Russia has tried to get (steal) Japanese money and technology.
>>51695116
Proofs :DDD
p.s. Kurils will never be yours, Shinji
>>51694837
>Nope. Our people can't make anything for themselves, they were completely caught by surprise there
What people are you talking about? We were mostly eating out local food even before all this shit happened.
>>51695116
Be nice or they take Hokkaido next time.
>>51695270
The main farm products of Russia are grain, and they're produced in Caucasus. Cold climate like Moscow doesn't suit the production of them.
>>51689741
Yes cernozium clay is god tier. We have a little bit,strangely enough in the south,not the east. I feel that the whole us in ukraine is partly so that the corporate jew can get its claws on that and destroy it through intensive agriculture which produces commodity market trade-able cereal products. The chink did this in other places mainly Argentina.
