>mass shootings on a daily basis
>draconian legal system
>literally millions in jail
>no public health system
>no paid holidays
>no paid sick leave
>murderous paramilitary cops
>the death penalty
>politicans openly bought out by corporations and lobby groups
>30,000 gun deaths per annum, the equivalent of the Vietnam War every two years
>paying for sex is cause for imprisonment
>crumbling shitty infrastructure
>huge swathes of the country are literally the Third World
>most of the population literally belives in angels, UFOs and bigfoot
So how do we fix it?
Also 'Murrica thread I suppose.
>>51615174
Eradicate all minorities.
>posted by a brit
Uhh, excuse me sir
>>51615174
Can't fix what ain't broke, son
>>51615174
>30k gun deaths
two thirds are suicides.
bongistani pls go and stay go. I'd rather live in america than your orwellian 1984 state any day
>>51615227
But most shootings are done by white americans
>>51615174
I think you gotta start with people and their attitudes
>>51615174
You know what to do lad
>>51615383
No they aren't.
Blacks are responsible for 53% of gun homicides.
>>51615174
> He thinks we don't consider all Brits homosexual.
>>51615266
this ok god blesss
>>51615446
>B A
>G S
>>51615383
I dont think youre gonna open their eyes. Much for meh freedom:/
>>51615174
No need to do anything, the mass murders will sort everything out eventually
>mass shootings on a daily basis
Better background/ psych checks on gun owners and monitoring foreigners who are not coming to imigrate to make sure they don't bring in weapons. Border security.
>draconian legal system
Decriminalize or legalize marijuana use and release those were admitted on minor drug offense charges.
>>51615383
>t. Ahmed
Let me guess, you think suicides count as gun violence don't you :^)
>>51615676
>Decriminalize or legalize marijuana use and release those were admitted on minor drug offense charges.
Or just give anyone with more than 3 drug charges the death penalty. Degenerates don't better society.
>>51615174
lel who cares
>>51615520
>Under sharia law
>>51615676
>psych checks on gun owners
lmao nah. that shit is impossible to implement without a license. and it'll be abused out the ass
>How do we fix 'Murrica?
Nuke everything and start over.
>>51615778
Yeah, I messed that up. I meant people who are going to purchase a gun.
>>51615861
>psych eval to buy a gun
Yeah I don't see this being abused. Not at all.
>>51615920
>I don't see how this can be abused
>Won't even say how
If you have something to say just say it. Don't act retarded.
>>51615920
What the fuck are you talking about? Cheating? That's not abuse.
>>51615986
>mandated means companies don't have them
>>51616039
Do you have selective reading or did you not see the part where I said put background checks on them. And there are other ways you can have stricter gun laws that allow for most people that attain them are responsible people with good intentions.
By arming the rest of them.
>>51615366
And drug dealers shooting each other.
>>51616037
How the fuck would it work?
If I need a mandatory psych evaluation to excetcise a right, it's no longer one. It's a privilege.
>oh why do you want a gun for defense you're paranoid so no gun for you
>it says here you've made anti government comments and hold anti government views, no guns for you
Even universal background checks wouldn't have done jack shit considering the vast majority of shooters passed background checks to get their guns.
>>51615383
They aren't though and when you go per capita its even less. Also, the suicide thing.
>>51615174
>majority of Americans believe in angels, UFOs, bigfoot
No, not the majority, probably same percentage of population as pasty English people like OP
>>51615174
>most of the population literally belives in angels, UFOs and bigfoot
Yeah and most of the British population believes in Allah, what's your point?
>>51615174
not bad, almost half are true
>>51615383
Actually most mass shootings are done by blacks against other blacks
>>51616200
>"Myth: 86% of Americans, 82% of gun owners favor universal background checks
Fact: Those statistics came from a pair of surveys reported by gun control group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, who has been caught stacking survey responses by polling left-of-center mailing lists."
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/
Just read through this, I can post more stats. But I'm not in the mood to argue tonight
>>51615174
>>no public health system
>>no paid holidays
>>no paid sick leave
>>the death penalty
none of these is bad you pinko faggot
>>51616508
Yeah, I know. You don't get paid for not doing shit? How surprising!
>>51616508
>Only the rich should have access to health care.
But... You're Polish.
>>51615174
>>mass shootings on a daily basis
blacks' fault
>>literally millions in jail
still blacks
>>murderous paramilitary cops
they're murdering blacks
>>the death penalty
Don't do crimes and you won't get killed
>>30,000 gun deaths per annum, the equivalent of the Vietnam War every two years
mostly blacks
>>paying for sex is cause for imprisonment
nothing wrong with this
>>51615986
every company offers paid holidays
who would work for a company that doesn't have paid vacation? that's just ridiculous
even though it's not required by law, it's the norm.
can you stop posting this please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>51615174
Does 'muricans see problem in these? i want some 'murican to tell he's opinion about these points. (e.g. does he support death penalty)
>>51616636
>>Only the rich should have access to health care.
>If you don't pay for bureaucrats and corruption then only riches can have it!!!
>>51616678
You kill somebody, we kill you back
>black people are subhumans and we have the right to enslave them
>200 years into the future
>black people are relentlessly killing white americans
karma is a bithc f a m
>>51616795
That didn't make a whole lot of sense. Could you rephrase it please?
>>51615227
*Educate all minorities
>>51616995
what don't you understand? having to pay the state hundreds of times more than you would on competitive market without unnecessary regulations is "only for rich" only in a mind of retarded leftist morons
>>51617071
Can't educate what doesn't want to learn
>>51615174
seems murrica is really terrible place
thanks god I'm russian
>mass shootings on a daily basis
I literally don't care anymore. Its just normal
>draconian legal system
I am not a fan of mandatory minimums
>literally millions in jail
We should probably send less to jail sure
>no public health system
We have Obamacare now I guess
>no paid holidays
Most companies offer them anyway
>no paid sick leave
might be a good thing to have I guess
>murderous paramilitary cops
don't know what to do about this I guess
>the death penalty
I don't support it. It should be banned federally.
>politicans openly bought out by corporations and lobby groups
Corporations should be out but some lobbies are okay so long as they are not funded by corporations
>30,000 gun deaths per annum, the equivalent of the Vietnam War every two years
I just don't care
>paying for sex is cause for imprisonment
I would support decriminalization
>crumbling shitty infrastructure
Its not that bad
>huge swathes of the country are literally the Third World
Not really. Unless you're in the rural Appalachians and poor
>most of the population literally belives in angels, UFOs and bigfoot
Most of the population believes in Angels sure, most believe that these UFOs are actually secret government projects, and few believe in bigfoot unironically
>>51616678
here you go
>>51617165
How are the food lines going Ivan?
>>51616665
some proofs that prove your statment?
>>51615174
Same way as africa, the clean slate approach, aka wipe clean and reboot.
>>51617217
that's ok bobby
why are you even asking?
>>51616508
having death penalty is literally third world tier. btw there are always innocent people sentenced to death.
>>51615174
>So how do we fix it?
We know *how* to fix all of these things, but that doesn't mean the people who have the power to fix them will.
>>51615174
This is perfect America.
They can naver be an Amerifat under Japanese rule.
>>51617359
some people reaaly dont deserve to live
>>51615174
>30,000 gun deaths
What makes gun deaths worse than any other kind of death again? What is the point of this irrelevant statistic?
>>51615383
Daily reminder to remove the black cock from your mouth before posting sweden
>>51617452
>ching pong dreams
>>51617357
Since its not difficult to actually feed a family in America compared to to your country, that's why it got brought up
doesn't need to be changed, the whole world doesn't have to be the same
>>51615227
So instead of Black trash, there will be white trash? Magnificant plan.
>>51615676
Abolishing the right to kill random people knocking on the door would be a better starting point. Self defence shooters turns into super scared murderers who needs help.
Moving over to a legal system where Law = Law would also be a huge improvement over precedent.
Then again, its a complex issue.
Basically your government system of state, super state and courts are fucking each other up, and there is corruption and filth everywhere.
You have large segregation issues, even ignoring how much gain there is to earn more than the middle class.
>>51615174
We split up into different independent nations based on the states.
>>51615174
>Honor killings every weekend
>Pussified legal system
>Literally millions in poverty.
>Broken welfare state
>Shitty public healthcare system that can't treat cancer patients
>Shitty food
>Shitty job prospects, no room for advancement in society.
>Authoritarian nanny state
>Pedophile politicians
>Political system is fucked and makes no sense
>Highest violent crime rate in the western world, worse than even the U.S.
>Buying a spoon can get you sent to prison
>Crumbling, shitty teeth
>The entire country is third world tier in terms of quality of life
>Sharia controlled zones
>Huge amount of the population is Muslim and its growing fast.
America is already finished.
Shame really. Used to be based as fucking during the 50s.
>it's another thread where yuros pretend they know anything about America
>>51617716
This desu
>>51617599
1c is best
>>51617646
>compared to to your country
>feed a family
>difficult
Did I miss something, Bdbby?
>>51617716
This desu. I used to be pretty intrigued by the UK, but lets not pretend its better than the current US. Not be a long shot laddy
>>51617716
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Give it a read and try to stop incorporating into your posts, it's embarassing.
>>51615986
Bruh even McDonald's employees get several paid vacation days a year. It's only people who take indefinite temp jobs who get fucked out of things like that
I know m8 what a state
And in 2015 as well
>>51616678
I absolutely suppprt the death penalty, some of these sick fuck criminals I would kill, resurrect, and then kill again if it were possible.
Incidentally my state abolished it like 120 years ago which I think is bullshit.
>>51617939
>>51615174
>>51617716
"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" - Your mum
>>51618098
Edgy teenager detected. Execution as a deterrent has already been debunked. Sadism has no place in the justice system.
>>51617359
>it's okay that murderous scum gets away and instead of proper punishment is given comfy live till the very end, because the courts happen to make mistakes sometimes
>>51618212
>justice system
Why do we still use this term when there is hardly any justice served? It's mainly an incarceration system more than anything
>>51618212
go fuck yourself retarded libshit cancukk
>>51617877
He prolly thinks we have no food because we're still a socialistc communist country with -60C 365 days a year and we have dog heads.
>Civil forfeiture
>having to prove YOUR innocence in court
>>51618400
Did something change?
>>51618098
wow XD like i said before you will also kill innocent people and its fucking horrible. the death penalty is solely based on vengeance. by killing the murderer you are a murderer yourself. the death penalty is absolutely inhumane and violates human rights and by killing him you're are not even punishing him. and the worst criminals you could just lock in prisons like this https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence/ (far more worse than death imo)
>>51618212
>killing someone for murder is sadism
Quite the opposite actually.
>>51618212
you're absolutely correct. +1
>>51618597
>wow XD like i said before you will also kill innocent people
You don't HAVE to kill innocent people. The death penalty can very easily be applied only to cases with overwhelming proof. Serial killers and rapists/murders for instance.
If a strangled and sliced up chick turns up with a full load of your spunk in her then yes, you are guilty and should be killed.
>b-but it turns you into a murder
I and the rest of our citizens will sleep just fine at night, thanks.
Why are euros always so obsessed with "fixing" America?
>>51615383
>In the present, mass shootings have been almost the exclusive province of white men.
>44/62 of the mass shootings carried out in the U.S since 1982 have been committed by whites*, which means that they are roughly 71% of mass shooters. Compare that with the demographic composition of the United States and one would have to conclude that whites are slightly under-represented as mass shooters relative to their size in the population.
* http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map#update
It's 71% of shootings done by 76% of the population (that stat is the "Caucasian" definition, which includes middle easterners, Indians, Jews and Hispanics). That stat from 2012 has likely gone down due to the recent spate of minority spree killers (Navy Yard, yesterday in California, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia)
You really need to look up statistics before you post, you come across as ignorant and memetic as people who claim Sweden is 15% muslim
>>51618469
People don't have problems with food since WWII so that part didn't change I guess.
>>51618098
I support your opinion. Some people somehow can't realize that there are persons with a completely different mindset. They're cruel to the core, they do horrible things to others. Society have the right to be protected from them forever. We can't do much here except executing criminals.
>>51618597
>the death penalty is solely based on vengeance
No. It's just making your country safe. Why would you keep a maniac alive? A murderer who planned the murder? They're broken and can't be fixed. Life is not a fairy-tale, sometimes people must make such decisions to protect you. Somebody makes his hands dirty for your better life, thanks to them you will never experience the horror of being slaughtered by a psycho. Be thankful for the people who take this sin for us.
we can't.
>>51618755
and still there are innocent people in your prisons waiting for their death. "Newly available DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 17 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States,[5] but DNA evidence is available in only a fraction of capital cases" and how does the killing help anyway? you could just lock them in prisons and force to work with food wage for example.
>>51618597
While I don't really agree with the death penalty, the prison you just posted is luxurious compared to some of the stuff in Europe. French prisons in particular are far, far worse than that.
T. Worked at the CPT one year
>>51618374
Great argument as usual, Poland. I appreciate the insightful post.
>>51618600
In real life margin of error is a thing that exists and you end up killing innocent people, also "threat of execution = deterrence" has been proven incorrect and the death penalty costs more cash than jailing people anyway. It is pointless, and yes, it is sadism -- even if you didn't bother reading what I was replying to -- "I would kill, resurrect, and then kill again if it were possible".
>>51618990
Not in my state's prisons.
Hence why I want it back, we have DNA now, no reason to ever fuck it up.
Thanks for making my point for me.
>>51618922
what if you were framed and then sentenced to death? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution
>>51618098
>Incidentally my state abolished it like 120 years ago which I think is bullshit.
Good thing you have no say in this
>>51619046
I do not care if it's a deterrence, nor do I care about cost. It's about revenge and closure for the family, nothing more.
>b-but margin if error
Yeah, and gravity is still just a theory. Shut the fuck up. The amount of murders that are black and white open and shut cases far outweigh those that aren't.
>>51618850
Posting on an imageboard about what's "wrong" with a country on another continent takes less effort than actually trying to fix their own countries.
>>51619172
Actually I do, we live in this thing called a democracy where things such as ballot initiatives exist.
>>51619184
Is this a pasta or something?
>>51616837
>>black people are relentlessly killing white americans
They're not, and the crime rate is dropping
>>51619149
This issue is not worth execution ban in general.
>>51619184
revenge is not justice. at least not in first world countries.
>>51619392
so you think its okay to kill innocent people? seems like you really can not sense empathy.
>>51617599
>dat drunkard consider Commie can fix mass shootings on a daily basis and crumbling shitty infrastructure etc
>>51619432
Throughout literally all of human history there has always been an element of revenge and punishment to justice. You're full of shit.
Even a jail sentence is partly about revenge no matter how much you lie to yourself that it's all done in the name of "rehabilitation."
>>51619392
shit answered to wrong, meant to answer this >>51619431
>>51615174
Belief in the paranormal is high in the UK as well, and has also actually risen since the 20th century
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/7996187.stm
>>51616678
Death penalty is ok, but there ought to be a litmus test for it. Juries should be forced to consider if the convicted would be unable to be reformed and reintegrated into society, and if they conclude they would not be able to change, off they go to die. Otherwise, it shouldn't be used.
We definitely imprison people for too long, I dunno about too much. A lot of the sentences don't fit the crime. You have guys selling meth at a low level in there longer than child rapists. That's fucked. Mandatory minimums were a dumb idea.
Read the dissenting opinion in Washington DC v Heller (2008) today, very good case for why our current gun control attitudes are ass-backwards legally speaking. I definitely think it'll take a federal effort to get anything changed, and I think it needs to happen. Background checks I support, as I do mandtory training and registration with your local (state or municipal, I don't care which) police department for training. That would have the added bonus of building community ties, too. And show proof of ownership of a gun safe before purchasing a firearm.
I don't think the money is as big a problem as gerrymandering. The money is only important because it can be used in targeted partisan campaigns, which only work because district elections are basically decided in primaries now. More moderate districts, less impact from money (spending would still be obscene though, but would have less of an impact).
Paid vacation is a thing at most places. Places use different systems, but like for me I earn time off by working. It's like .5 hours per 8 hours worked or something. I end up getting a couple weeks off per year.
I don't really have an opinion on healthcare. I was too poor for it for so long that I don't even go now that I have medical insurance. I never paid attention to anything about it and just got used to dealing with shit on my own. I do think we need to update our mental health programs though.
>>51619539
>cheka is killing innocents
>innocents
pretty inaccurate picture
>>51619543
There was also slavery through much of history too, Westerners no longer take lessons on law and government from the stone age (and yes, Americans who support the death penalty are not properly westernized)
>>51619543
still the majority of civilized countries think the opposite way.
>>51619184
oh wow
>"great" britain
rofl
>>51619543
>Throughout literally all of human history there has always been an element of revenge and punishment to justice.
>it's been done before, it should be done now!!
Is that supposed to make it right? How logical.
>>51619706
>>51619766
If you gave a shit about human rights then you wouldn't imprison people either. Liberty is as much a human right as life is.
Your argument is bullshit.
>>51617165
>im Russian
im so, so very sorry. I hope your situation improves soon
>>51619796
>ignoring rhe rest of the post
Now is when you lie to me and tell me there's no element of punishments or revenge in imprisoning someone.
>>51619524
I didn't say that. Are you agaist imprisoning because sometimes they misjudge innocents? Do you think mad killers deserve to exist on this planet? Like serial killers who kill, rape and eat their victims? For what puropse?
>>51619857
you have to be kidding, right? if someone kills people, he cannot live in society so the prison or some kind of isolation is the way to solve the problem in humane way.
>>51619911
if someone can't live in society. just exclude him from society, killing is not necessary.
>>51619878
>americans unironically belive this image
>the bottom 10 percent in america, who are up to the head in debt, live better lifes than millionares in mexico turkey brazil or europe
pls dont swallow this propaganda
>>51620019
It is not humane. All human rights are equal. Depriving someone of their liberty is not more just than depriving someone of their life.
>>51620010
no i'm not against imprisonment. i'm against death penalty.
>>51620172
So you're only against violating certain human rights I guess.
>>51620128
pls mate, that's fucking hilarious :DDDDDD
>>51620102
>killing is not necessary.
but using them as free workforce would be good
>>51620314
It's actuslly a basic tenant of Engligh Enlightenment thought but your people probably couldn't even read during that time so I don't expect you to have any knowledge of it.
>>51620334
it was just an example igor. and btw i didn't mean it would be like in gulags. more like that you would have to do some kind of regular job and that's how you would get food, like people outside the prison have to work to get money to get food. not around the clock.
>>51620486
People outside of prison CHOOSE to work.
What you're describing is slavery.
>>51615986
Even our military gets paid holidays man. It isn't as bad as you make it sound.
Is it law, no, but who would work for a company with no paid holidays or personal/sick time off
>>51620486
>i didn't mean it would be like in gulags.
Criminals must suffer. Living almost usual life being imprisoned cant prevent them from commiting crimes in future.
>>51620578
>but who would work for a company with no paid holidays or personal/sick time off
I honestly didn't even know such a thing was possible until /int/ and I still have yet to encounter one.
>>51619857
>restrictions on human rights don't exist
What?
>>51619911
Is "revenge" part of the American legal system? If it was, would it be right? If you expect me to read the minds' of millions of people for thoughts of revenge, I'm afraid I'll have to let you down.
>>51620128
Is killing someone in self defense wrong? They have a right to live, yes?
>>51620394
ha-ha you're so clever. says a guy from country which basic education is far more worse than ours. half of you guys don't even believe in evolution.
>Violent crime rate dropped drastically
>Rape rate declining
>Circumcision rate plummeted since 1980's across demographics
>Unemployment rate healthy
>Growth and entrepreneurship high
>Support for war declined since 2003
>Interest in foreign languages (among anglophones) increased
>Support for NSA/Patriot Act declining since enaction
>School dropout rate falling, fell hugely among troubled minority populations from successful integration
>School funding increasing
>Improving inner cities in most cities, some exceptions
>Support for Israel slowly falling
>Belief in American exceptionalism declining (among young)
>Net emigration of Mexicans
>Weed legalization happening state by state
>Marriage equality
>Growing support for more wealth equality
>Increasing oil exports (I think)
>Growing complexity and depth of media/TV
>Supernatural beliefs moderately declining
>Racial hate groups declined to near-extinction (KKK, Black Panthers)
>Organized crime groups declined to near irrelevancy (Irish mob, Italian mob
Stuff like that is why people in the US aren't panicking about the future.
Proofs available for any of those. Poli-sci graduate here
>>51615245
None of this applies to the UK
>>51620546
"choose" to work. if you don't go to work you cant afford eating in your country.
>>51620661
>Is killing someone in self defense wrong?
No. When you infringe upon someone elses rights you lose yoir claim to yours.
Thank you again for making my point: deprive someone of their right to life, lose your right to yours. Simple isn't it?
>>51620674
Ad hom
Are you claiming there is such a thing as a hiearchy of rights?
>>51615174
MALVINAS IS THE ANSWER
>>51620810
Whose country? Certainly not mine and certainly not yours.
>>51615417
>>51615174
My ideal criminal justice system:
If you commit a minor crime--theft, drugs, et cetera--you get the Norwegian treatment, aimed at rehabilitation.
IF you commit a major, VIOLENT crime, like rape, you get decades in prison, and monitored when released.
If you kill someone, you die. Game over, shouldn't have murdered someone.
>>51620120
Income level and debt aren't the same, you can be poor and have net savings, or be rich and have huge debts
>>51619857
Imprisonment both segregates felons from vulnerable populations and gives opportunities for rehabilitation (which work astoundingly well in countries that do them). While the government murdering someone (and often ending up making a mistake) carries no possibility of correction. It's just sandnigger lynch mob thinking which is why westerners are laughing at you here
>>51620814
>deprive someone of their right to life, lose your right to yours. Simple isn't it?
Uh, I don't think you understand how your own laws (or even the basis apparently) on self defense work, m8.
>>51620865
yeah but we take care of the poor. you can get 1000 euro/month without doing any job. and we have free healthcare.
>>51617913
>but lets not pretend its better than the current US
It is though
>>51619795
is this real or a meme
because fuck
>>51620950
>If you kill someone, you die. Game over, shouldn't have murdered someone.
Also, if you're mistaken for someone who murders someone, you also die
nuke
>>51620957
In capital cases the only other possible outcome is life without parole. This also makes rehabilitation impossible.
There goes that point.
Really the argument here is that you value the right to life more thab the right to liberty, you believe in a hierarchy of rights. That is an illiberal and philosophically shallow view to have.
>>51620950
IMO the American prison system is ok. European prisons are a joke. Everyone has their own cells with TV's and whatever they want. No real punishment.
>>51621061
B-but my justice is perfect!
>>51621061
Why support any kind of punishment at all then? You think that losing 20 years of your life in prison is okay?
>>51620957
Sometimes a little barbarism is good for a society. Like exposure to bacteria increases your immune system.
I don't fucking want to "rehabilitate" someone who deliberately ended another human life. I want them dead.
>>51620983
Everyone here is able to food aid. All people without jobs are elligible for medicaid.
Don't project your ignorance about the United States onto me. No one here starves without a job.
>>51620983
so why would anyone even bother to work or contribute
why shouldn't everyone just be neets
>>51621170
you're a really cold person :o
>>51620769
The last one does, belief in paranormal has increased in the UK drastically. The UK also shares a draconian legal system with the US, in different areas
>>51619619
>"Hmm maybe this thread will have some reasonaba-..."
>>51621282
>not believing
I bet you believe the "missile testing" was actually a missile testing too.
>>51621170
>Sometimes a little barbarism is good for a society. Like exposure to bacteria increases your immune system.
How many trenchcoats do you own? Be honest.
>>51621282
>The UK also shares a draconian legal system with the US, in different areas
Judges get the last word and theyre usually very reasonable. The law may say something but its just a guide usually.
>>51615986
Just be it's not mandated by the government doesn't mean that they don't exist.
The concept of 'individualism' or 'personal freedom' is not possible for Yuroçucks to grasp, it seems.
>>51621221
well with the 1k / month you cant afford luxury life in finland, you eat hand to mouth. of course there are leeches but everybody hates them.
>>51621061
Well, that's just a question of statistics.
If you want, make it so that only in cases with overwhelming evidence (ie, shooters, forensics, et cetera) get executed, whereas the rest get life without parole. It absolutely makes me sick that there are "people" who deliberately killed other people who get out of prison.
>>51615174
I will cover the legitimate points here and not the troll ones:
>draconian legal system
>literally millions in jail
The reason this happened, starting in the 90s, was a massive reaction against the crime epidemic of the 60s-80s when we had a super-soft justice system.
>no public health system
Did I imagine Medicare/cade?
>the death penalty
You really think John Wayne Gacy and his ilk deserve to live?
>paying for sex is cause for imprisonment
Have you ever heard of Nevada?
>crumbling shitty infrastructure
That depends on the region.
>huge swathes of the country are literally the Third World
Normal human beings never venture into West Virginia anyway, so...
>>51617359
It's a states' rights issue.
>>51621372
Actually the study didn't mention UFO's. Belief in ghosts, souls, heaven have skyrocketed in the UK. UFO just means a flying thing that isn't immediately identifiable, not aliums.
>>51621477
I like WV desu, it's really pretty.
>>51621394
>Everything should be soft and perfect all the time! Cruelty- free meat :DDDD
this is the real degeneracy, not gay marriage or whatever
a whole society becoming so disconnected from the physical experience of living and dying that we've lost all concepts of death and violence which we've outsourced to shrouded slaughterhouses and foreign proxy wars.
Time was every man and woman knew intimately the price of that chicken in their pot--they KILLED a creature for it. People today seem not to be able to handle it.
>>51616357
Shots fired
>>51621479
I'm all for people defending themselves with guns and shit like that but there is nothing more annoying than some faggoty libretarian saying "It's a state's issue" when he really means "I don't know enough about this to say whether it's good or bad so just let states decide for me"
>>51621632
The death penalty, you mong.
>reading comprehension
>>51621691
I was referring to that stupid hence "and shit like that". My point still stands, you're retarded.
>>51621611
Did you know that when David Carradine was found strung up in a Thai hotel room, his family were upset at Bangkok tabloids running pics of his body on the autopsy table.
The point is, this is common and normal in Third World countries for newspapers to print graphic photos of dead bodies and things like that. They're much less sheltered than we are. If you'd look at Mexican papers, same thing. Decapitated cartel victims everywhere.
>>51615174
Enslave the muslims
>>51621611
actually you are the one who is stuck in the past.
>>51621729
The death penalty is literally, legally, CONSTITUTIONALLY a state's rights issue on every single crime other than treason.
Not even that anon but you're retarded to dismiss a fucking 9th grade level fact as meaningless rhetoric from someone you disagree with.
>>51621458
>If you want, make it so that only in cases with overwhelming evidence (ie, shooters, forensics, et cetera) get executed, whereas the rest get life without parole
"overwhelming evidence" is already used and yet innocents still get killed. What is considered overwhelming is highly subjective, and not enforceable enough to prevent innocents being killed. Life in prison carries a chance of correcting such a mistake
>>51621477
The point of the arguments for the abolishment of death penalty is not because some people really deserve to die and we must kill them or not, but that some innocent guy is going to inevitably be given the death sentence and that is a scary thought, just imagine happening to you and nobody believes your innocent.
Plus, it is not going to stop the violent crimes because murders/violent crime happen:
-in the heat of the moment: the killer is filled with emotional stress at that point, he is not thinking about the consequences of his actions.
-Premeditated: The criminal believes he will get away with it and thus does not care about the punishment when committing the crime.
-Mental disease: the criminal is fucked up in the head and does not understand that his actions will lead up to a punishment, thus he doesn't care and will commit the crime.
Thus the death penalty as deterrent is stupid and is also inhumane because one innocent guy maybe gets killed.
>>51621882
luckily there are guys like you who are able to reason
>>51617125
My mistake. I re-read your first post and coupled with your second post it makes much more sense what you're getting at now.
>>51621882
Literally acceptable losses
>>51621611
>this is the real degeneracy, not gay marriage or whatever
Life in prison in the US is horrific. That's not why westerners have abandoned the death penalty, it's been abandoned since when innocents are put to death there's no parole or correction.
If the west isn't dark and edgy enough for your brooding soul, you can always relocate to Somalia or Saudi Arabia
>>51622051
america: the post
>>51621950
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd
Sorry but when you do stuff like this, you deserve your fate. There's just some people so scummy that...yeah.
>>51622051
xDdd what if you would be executed and you are innocent?
>>51621882
DNA evidence has not been widely available until recently. Overwhelming evidence of today, like DNA, is in no fucking way analogous to what overwhelming evidence meant during the time when most of the exonerated were covicted.
The two are not only not comparable, they aren't even in the same galaxy.
Besides the wheels turn on the fou dation of "beyond reasonable doubt," not "absolute proof." If you want to use the proofs argument than fuck having a justice system entirely, there's no point. You would still be committing human rights violations on the same basis you don't find acceptable during capital cases.
>>51621874
Gay marriage was also a """""""states right"""""" and you lost that fight
And when enough educated immigrants come to give the US a moral compass, the federal government will inevitably outlaw the death penalty at a federal level
It's a one-way trip.
No price to high faggot. America doesn't need fixing. Land of the free, home of the brave.
>>51622190
>And when enough educated immigrants come to give the US a moral compass
>Pedro
>Ahmed
>educated, enlightened immigrants
Duh...
>>51622114
*teleports out of the execution room*
heh, picked the wrong bada&% to try to execute, kid
*chops him with katana*
nothin' personell
>>51621950
>Premeditated: The criminal believes he will get away with it and thus does not care about the punishment when committing the crime
You would think that, but in fact psychopaths are a funny bunch. They can kill with zero remorse, but when their own death is imminent, they'll panic and try to fight it every step of the way.
>>51622114
This should be interesting.
>>51622190
You realize the Constitution explicitly mentions the death penalty, don't you? Oh you didn't know that..
And wtf does gay marriage have to do with anything? The two issues are not legally related as the death penalty is explicitly Constitutional.
Also fuck off, you have no idea what my position on gay marriage is you self righteous child.
>>51622250
well even in mexico death penalty is forbidden
>>51622304
>So many things constantly popping up in your HUD.
Wow that must get annoying to play.
We did get rid of the death penalty for a bit in the 70s. Thanks to that, guys like Dennis Raeder became immune from it because they were convicted of murders that occurred in 1972-76.
>>51622359
It's kind of a moot point since cartels and corrupt thug police carry out plenty of extralegal killings.
>>51622250
They're less likely to support war than natives. In 2003 a poll conducted found almost 80% of adults supported the Iraq war "With or without proof of WMD's"
When the bar is set that low, even a Pedro is less susceptible to such chimpouts
>>51622427
Politicians too
>>51622427
and your cops dont?
>>51622315
>when commiting the crime
>>51622469
So you're Mexican huh? Explains why you don't know anything about the US Constitution.
>>51617452
>east
>German
fuck off Takashi
>>51622477
Ours tend to get arrested when they remove dindus extrajudiciously. Mexican cops get bonuses in their bank accounts.
>>51622477
In America, there's sometimes asshole cops who'll beat you up or taser you unnecessarily. In Mexico, cops will:
>rob you
>rape your daughter if you don't pay them extortion fees
>beat the shit out of you because they feel like it
>protect drug lords if they're a family member
And so forth.
>>51622427
your cops shoot unarmed innocent people. why they are not executed?
>>51622524
Nope, wasp from Maine. I live far away from any Pedros but they vote more morally and civilized than any Bubba from Texas does, on foreign policy and legal issues.
Wouldn't want to live near any but as far as federal voters go they're above average
>>51622572
but why they are not executed when you personally support death penalty for killing people? your arguments are hilarious.
>>51622636
>liberal hipster who lives in a 90% white state far away from any black or brown folk
>has no clue what black and brown folk are like
Stop the presses.
>>51622636
>vote more morally on foreign policy and legal issues
Vat? I'm pretty sure this country is a republic and not a direct democracy.
America is an absolute shithole, I give thanks every day that I wasn't born into that maelstrom of fundamentalist christianity, gun-toting half-wits, and merciless capitalist whores.
>>51622652
Who said they can't be?
If a state has the death penalty they could give the death penalty to a cop depending on the laws of said state which govern he application of it. If a police murder meets the criteria of execution in the state in which it occured than I'm all for them recieving it.
Tou seem to be under the impression states give the death sentence out for any old murder, that's not the case. Death sentences are usually only handed down for exceptionally heinous crimes involving things like torture, kidnapping, rape, multiple homocides, infanticide, terrorism or combination of the above.
Almost all gun crime is committed by minorities.
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
This table can be used for a number of interesting calculations. First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites.
>>51622848
But you were born in an islamic country that's afraid of spoons.
>>51622897
Of course and I know for a fact that most crime in European countries is committed by Abu and Malkid.
>>51622856
>Death sentences are usually only handed down for exceptionally heinous crimes involving things like torture, kidnapping, rape, multiple homocides, infanticide, terrorism or combination of the above.
I agree. Juries generally try to be lenient and consider mitigating circumstances or that the defendant is at least somewhat remorseful. The exception are cases like >>51622111 where Mr. Dodd not only was totally unremorseful, but he said "If you don't hang me, I'll keep on killing more kids."
That OP is a Bong seems funnier because British society is closer to ours in a lot of ways than, say, the French or Norway or something. We have a lot of similar societal problems.
>>51622714
Oh I know what they're like and I'm glad I don't live near any and none want to live near me. I'm far right thank you, it may come as a surprise but rightists hate you just as much as 'liberals' do, for different reasons
But as far as votes go they're better than southern whites. Niggers chimpout and burn down Baltimore, southern whites chimpout at the voting booth.
>>51622652
When cops freak and shoot a suspect it's 2nd degree, not 1st degree. The implications are different.
>>51622987
yeah but death sentence is still a barbaric act.
>>51622901
I'm actually from, and currently in, Ireland. Needless to say I've never seen a muslim in my life and the first time I spoke to a black person was in a foreign country 2 years ago.
>>51623075
>yeah but death sentence is still a barbaric act
Honestly, >>51622111 suffered a lot less in the death chamber than the little boy he tortured over several hours and strung up in a closet.
>>51623075
We already ralked about this; the death sentence is no more barbaric than imprisonment unless you prescribe to the idea of a hierarchy of rights, which is a patently ridiculous concept, or if you don't consider liberty a human right, in which case I have no time for you.
>>51623136
That was in Washington State. Now they're the only state other than New Hampshire that uses hanging as an execution method. Hanging is probably about the quickest and least painful method there is.
>>51623070
freak out? your cops can shoot a running man even if he doesn't have any intentions to kill anyone or doesn't have a gun. they even shoot multiple times and aim fatally. or "freak out" and shoot a man who they THINK was grabbing a gun.
>>51623236
Do you understand the concept of premeditated murder?
>>51622901
There was a funny image of a "police sweep" where the coppers had confiscated a bike wheel as a weapon, but I forgot to save it. Hopefully someone has it
>>51623137
well still as i said before, death sentence is not part of modern western society.
>>51622111
Dodd was the first person executed in Washington after the death penalty's reinstatement in 1977. The next guy executed after him was one Charles Campbell, who kind of...slit the throats of two women and a little girl in revenge because they testified against him in a rape trial a few years before. That was one evil dude.
>>5161517
Send us blini cats
>>51623335
That's the problem with you for living in a homogenous country with no niggers and little violent crime. You can't seem to process that there's a world outside of Funland.
All I see a bunch of filthy European liberals trying to take America further and further from its great conservative roots.
HOW TO FIX AMERICA
>REMOVE NIGGERS
>KICK OUT ILLEGAL SOUTH AMERICANS
>GET RID OF GUN FREE ZONES
>RETURN TO PRE-RAEGAN TAX LAWS
>>51623075
Shut your mouth you feminized filthy liberal. Some scum deserve to die. just because you wet yourself at the thought of killing someone doesn't mean all of us are yellow. We are not like you letting murderers and rapists leave and repeat their crimes. At least not in death penalty states.
>>51623236
Cop's will bean-bag you or taze you if you run, not shoot you. Also only criminals run from police. The nigger community makes a fuss after a cop kills a degenerate criminal. Despite the fact that is every case the nigger just committed a crime or was assaulting a police officer.
>>51623302
yes i do but that was not my point. my point was that american police can shoot people for stupid reasons.
>>51617071
This
But also this
>>51617163
>>51623307
>American homicides by bicycle and or vehicle wheel(s): 1297
>British homicides by roundy-go-gos: 6
When are you Amerirounds going to implement some serious wheel control? Those peoples blood are on your tracks.
>>51623335
So in other words you have no logical or philosophically sound argument, it's based entirely on your feels.
Good to know.
>>51623421
>All I see a bunch of filthy European liberals
That's not quite what's going on. It's more >>51623401. He just can't understand why American society doesn't work like his country.
>>51618872
That's still most you fucking mongrel. Are you trying to make them laugh at us because you can't do math?
>>51623307
>There was a funny image of a "police sweep" where the coppers had confiscated a bike wheel as a weapon
>Americans are this retarded and unable to tell what is a joke image
lad
>>51623236
I don't follow those /pol/ cases because I'm not black, don't live anywhere near whatever shitholes they take place and don't care, but 1st degree means there was planning ahead of time. 2nd means spontaneous action on the spot.
>>51623204
>least painful method there is.
Gradual oxygen deprivation is
>>51623136
It's called barbaric because it's a legal system used by and influenced from actual barbarian tribes. It was one of the last brutal remnants of feudalism that was removed in the west, along with slavery, peasantry and absolute monarchy. Also demographics, the people of the world who support the death penalty are North Koreans, Muslims and Chinese communists. So the demographics of modern barbarians.
>>51621611
Nobody even eats organ meat anymore despite the high vitamin content.
>>51623421
America's roots are classibal liberalism, not modern conservatism. They agree on some points and disagree on many others.
>>51623495
no it's not based on my feels. it violates human rights. https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/death-penalty/
>>51623613
>I don't follow those /pol/ cases because I'm not black, don't live anywhere near whatever shitholes they take place and don't care
As I said, >>51622714
>>51623653
>no it's not based on my feels. it violates human rights
>>51623342
But a 4 year old who was molested and hanged in a closet, his human rights weren't violated. Or Ted Bundy's victims, their human rights weren't violated either, no?
>>51623653
Again, as does imprisonment. In fact all justice does. I'm not arguing with tou on that point.
My argument is that you're subscribing to a philosophy of the hierarchy of rights, which you won't cop to because you know (or I hope you know) it's a school of though antithetical to both liberalism and the very foundations of our western societies.
You're logically inconsistent.
