um Germany, could you please """""explain"""" this?
German planes should be bringing refugees to Europe, not bombing towns where it will mostly be civilians who die.
>>51553477
obsolete plane
a functioning air force is less important than refugees and trying to bribe inspectors so Volkswagen doesn't get sued
>>51553578
This.
>>51553526
this
>>51553477
Those planes are like 40 years old. Why can't you just send france some of your ULTRA HIGH DEFINITION 4K pictures you have of syria?
>>51554734
Why don't you buy some new planes.
I thought you were super rich.
>Germany
>Military Spending
pick one, allied forces
>>51554854
Sell Rafale pls
>>51553477
Apparently German efficiency faded away , BC they realised it is becoming a meme
>>51554986
I think we have bought 10 of them , hey french will they work or they are like German efficient ?
Not enough gas
>>51554986
>>51554734
Why are you sending your flying museum pieces instead of your brand new Eurofighters ?
Why spend anything on the army? murikkkans do it for us.
>>51555459
Because the Eurofighters are all grounded due structural problems. PLEASE SELL RAFALES.
>>51555542
Buy the F-35 you out of date fucking losers
>>51555602
>buying that overpriced piece of shit
>>51555676
lmao, you sound mad that your cunt is buying an actual good piece of military hardware
>>51555459
Because our gubbermint hates getting involved in wars and only pulls off symbolic engagements hoping that this will satisfy our allies while we're actually trying to avoid all heavy lifting
>>51553477
German army is shit.
Even Czech rep +slovakia having better army...
I don't saying about poland because we are regional superpower, and we have a lot of stronger army than germany...
That is why germany what to kek us with 200K refugees, no way helmut, you bring them to europe so you took them.
And all those bluepilled germans who would sperg out about how they had the refugees coming since they sold weapons to syria
In case someones wants to know how many aircrafts does it take to beat all the Middle Eastern terrorists.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
>>51555803
I remember when we have NATO military exercises year or two years ago. When germans send couple of armored vehicles with painted on black broomsticks instead of guns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/19/germanys-army-is-so-under-equipped-that-it-used-broomsticks-instead-of-machine-guns/
>>51555803
>Poland regional superpower
>Germans are afraid of us thats why they want to kek us
Typical deluded Pole
>>51553477
Germany is falling apart.
Only Germanboos think the German military is powerful.
>>51555803
>>51553526
>tfw two parties in Sweden wants us to use our c130's to bering the refugees safely over the Mediterranean with an air bridge
For you it's a joke on the net, for us, it's reality.
>>51556098
That is why they want to suspend your membership in European Union if you don't take refugees.
>>51555803
hahahahahahahahaa
>>51553577
>>51554734
Tornado is an excellent bomber you retards. It's old but good. Look at the amazing job they do for the RAF, with Brimstone, Raptor pod and Litening III
>>51556566
Why did they build an icicle shaped skyscraper in the middle of small buildings
>>51556659
It's London, you can ask similar questions for 97% of the city. I live here and I've learnt to just accept that it doesn't make sense and never will
>>51556659
Because they wanted to emulate Mt. Doom in Pyongyang
Sorry guys, but we used up this year's defense budget on barrack daycares, WLAN-access and gender-appropriate washrooms. Joining the Bundeswehr should be an attractive prospect for young men and women, after all.
>>51556896
>tfw our new gender policy on ships
>must be equal amount of gender onboard
a-at least the rest of your navies look forward to meet up with the swedish one during arctic war games
>>51556753
I'm sure Archimedes of Syracuse it would be proud of the walkie-talkie
>>51554734
Buy this thing, it's cheap as shit.
>>51557038
Medium kek
>>51556957
>>51556957
Holy shit Sweden you cannot be serious women have no place in war you will lose every naval battle oh God why
>>51556957
SWEDEN NO
Dude tell me you're trolling
>>51556957
GeT_ImPrEgNaTeD
>>51555935
>A defense ministry spokesperson said the use of broomsticks was not a common practice
>>51556957
>>51557334
>>51557441
2 0 1 5
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>>51555542
>Because the Eurofighters are all grounded due structural problems. PLEASE SELL RAFALES.
Good god man
Tranche 3 Eurofighter Typhoons = better than anything the Frogs are making
Upgrade your bloody Typhoons! It's such a good fighter don't waste it!
our defense ministery said 30 are ready but we only Need 6 she said. you got that ? Germany is badass cuz we Need only 6 fuking planes to defeat the terroris
>>51557128
What? A piece of equipment that is cheap, easy to maintain and still entirely appropriate for the "missions" the German Air Force flies? Are you mad? EADS has this amazing new project in the works! Sure, the unit cost has quadrupled during development, but once they've worked out the kinks in a decade or two it'll be the pride of the armed forces!
nobody wants to fight for fatmasters, most Germans think "why should we die for america ? let them fight!"
>>51553477
Half is actually pretty good for the Germans. 90% of their Typhoons can't fly so this is an improvement.
>>51557739
Our defense Minister Stats:
School: Abitur (Note: 0,8)
Children: 7
Iam very confused about the 0,8 score. I know that the highest score is 1 in School, how can you be better then 1 ? LOL
>>51556202
>>51556329
He's not actually delusional. Poland really would rekt Germany.
>>51558051
You haven't visited a Gymnasium either I assume. Best score in the last 3 years is 15 points or 1+, which is basically 0.66666...
>>51558127
666, fuking satanists lol
>>51555803
German army is indeed bad for their de millitarization but Poland is nowhere near a regional superpower
>>51557128
>Textron Scorpion loaded.jpg
>Posts Yak-130
Is this a meme?
>>51556957
>tfw no qt swedish sailor gf
>>51555542
>>51555602
Why not something cheap that actual works? They're farmers, you don't need overly complicated airplanes.
![1444797623737[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/5IoGwLW.png "1444797623737[2].png")
>>51555803
>I don't saying about poland because we are regional superpower
>>51557334
We've constantly kicked your butt in wargames despite using high-school girls. Anime is real, Chong.
German airforce would bomb the refugees before arriving in Germany. In Germany too many liberals for that.
>>51555803
>>51555935
>this is actually real
I think most underestimate how pathetic Germany is today.
>>51562243
That chart is sorta odd.
>>51557635
>better than anything the Frogs are making
k.
>>51562243
Turkish invasion of Germany when
>let other do the fighting
>"lel what keks"
I think you guys have a misconception of who's the keked one in this relationship.
>>51563238
>can't keep their own airforce flying because they have to buy bull-prepping lotions for all 6 million refugees coming in
>calls others keks
Whatever you say friend.
>>51563380
You don't even have a military.
>>51562243
>italy ahead of UK
>>51564151
I'm sorry but this is the 2015 one.
>>51562243
Only taking into account active personnel really gimps some of the nations up there.
Also can't take into account quality, but that's probably too subjective to chart.
>>51562243
These numbers are hilarious.
>>51553477
>british """"engineering""""
>meanwhile the old ass mig 21s in syria still work fine
not germanies fault brits can't build anything that doesn't turn to a pile of rust in 20 years
>>51562243
>that chart
what does poland even produce in terms of defence?
they have no arms industry worth mentioning, all their advanced stuff is bought or was an american present.
whatever they have now, they can't replace it.
Germany would just have to crank up the production numbers and poland is history.
Anyone who does not understand this simply doesn't understand history or the economy of warfare
>>51564869
It's not our fault Germans are so scared of being nazis they can't maintain warplanes
>>51557510
>>51564274
Ukraine 6th and still failed to reclaim crimea
>>51557233
Looks like a giant christmas tree from far away TbhM8
>>51562243
Poland payback when?
Nihil novi for germany.
Their G36 rifles are literally melting.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/03/the-g36-controversy-intensifies/
Also, if i recall correctly we have more newest gen leopards than they have. Let that sink in for a moment.
>>51566148
Actually, they were fine. No one really complained about them. The G36 controversy was just pure and unfiltered lobbyism.
>>51566148
You're being pathetic trying to shitpost about Germany when they are literally giving you shit for free or symbolic prices.
>if i recall correctly
You can't recall shit you make up
>>51564274
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>>51556659
Because property there is much cheaper than in the square mile (sky scraper region North of this area) and there are strict planning rules regarding sight-lines to St. Paul's cathedral (also explains the design).
Better buy some f35s
>>51565903
Soon, my friend.
Soon.
How are MBDA munitions so based? What have the yanks been doing?
>>51566563
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>51553477
The same reason why our airforce until very recently was only ready for action during office hours: What do we need a capable military for?
>>51555117
>I think we have bought 10 of them
you bought 36 of them actually
>>51566659
hAHAHAHA
ALBERTO BARBOSA
He said it HE ACTUALLY SAID IT
t. Alberto Barbosa BAHAHAHA
A B S O L U T E
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>>51566753
>says the Swiss
Pretty sure you guys are supposed to pride yourselves on having a capable defensive military.
>>51567014
the whole reason swiss have guns is because they didnt have a functioning army
>>51567014
After 8pm France is in charge of switzerland's airzone control
>>51567014
I would be proud if I was sure it was capable, but it hasn't been really tested in a long time.
If you haven't used something for much for the last fifty years, quality and interest is going to drop.
That whole business with the French having to escort planes in our airspace for us was a blessing in that regard. The embarassement got the defense ministry to try and get their shit in order.
>>51555803
>>51558068
>>51562243
>>51567014
Defensive and offensive. Several years ago they mounted a successful invasion of Liechtenstein with such swiftness that no one even noticed.
>>51553477
Apart from crazed people, nobody want to go to war. So what do we need those jets for?
>>51567014
The Swiss military is in pretty bad shape. I mean that's putting it nicely
>>51567325
There IS a UN mandate now
>>51567014
Their entire military doctrine is basically the Fallout plot.
>>51567278
DO IT. Wreck Germany and save Europe. Are you Jesus or not, Poland?
>>51567492
Every country should provide their citizens with fallout shelters. The bombs need only fall once for it to be worth it.
>>51567332
Can't judge it. They didn't take me, which seems a good sign.
>>51558068
This, this time Polish tanks vs German broomsticks
>>51555803
>I don't saying about poland because we are regional superpower
>>51567847
dunno how that's funny tbhfam
>>51567325
I have the same tie. Got a stain on it two years back though and I haven't thrown it away yet. thanks for reading my blog.
>>51567692
>Can't judge it.
Yes you bloody well can.
The UK had to ask for assistance from France, the US and others to check for submarines in our waters because we currently don't have a maritime patrol aircraft. Therefore I am right to judge our capabilities as deficient. Fortunately we are buying some MPAs now.
The Swiss problems are so much worse though. I mean you still have F-5s in service. You can't keep using ancient fighters when the airframe gets worn out. You urgently need upgrades in order to do something as basic as guard your own airspace.
Given Switzerland's location you don't need an army, or a navy, ALL you need is a functioning air force, therefore it's totally unacceptable that a country as rich as Switzerland can't even do that.
>>51567596
Wreck Germany and save Europe.
YES !
Are you Jesus or not, Poland?
Yes we are !
>>51567847
>France
I always wanted to see all the fancy shit there but I've heard that travelling to muslim countries is dangerous ;_;
>>51568255
Never claimed it was good, just that I don't know anything about it.
Having to rely on our neighbours for securing our air space is just embarassing though.
I'd disagree with not needing an army.
![tallest+biggest+statue+of+jesus+in+the+world+32[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/R58B6C5.jpg "tallest+biggest+statue+of+jesus+in+the+world+32[1].jpg")
>>51568370
Also we have the biggest statue of Jezus in the World (t b h this is giant mega zord with lasers in the eyes but this is top secret, germans don't know it)
That is why we are so catholic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAyTLQBVns
>>51568402
>Never claimed it was good, just that I don't know anything about it.
I know but you said you can't judge it - you can, if only by reading about the equipment online.
>I'd disagree with not needing an army.
You go the militia route, which isn't a proper army in my book. You have some professional elements in there but it's basically a militia. And that's fine because you have big meaty buffer states so there's essentially no land threat (maybe keeping out illegal immigrants, or refugees from a natural/humanitarian disaster).
It's really just the air that you have to worry about
>>51568737
>It's really just the air that you have to worry about
Right now, sure. But those big meaty buffer states might not be so friendly fifty years from now, so it seems a bit dangerous to rely on them.
You're still right that we need to get our air force in order.
>>51568961
During the Cold War you mined all your bridges and approaches from the east, you only removed them quite recently. Makes a land invasion very unappetising. I think anyone who wanted to make Switzerland submit would choose the air to attack, even if they were your neighbours.
Anyway I agree, if it was up to me I'd beef up your land forces too, especially if you take neutrality seriously. Armed neutrality is the only neutrality that works.
>>51569711
Not him but it's quite funny that just today the parlament decided to give the go ahead for the new army reform.
A bit more money but we're going from 120k to 100k soldiers. Plans are not final.
You try arguing with people that defense is necessary when the pensions need money because people die with an avg. age of 82 and the avg couple has kids at 35.
>>51570306
>people die with an avg. age of 82 and the avg couple has kids at 35.
sounds like a comfy life tbhfam
>>51570369
Chances are you're not gonna have 2 or 3 kids with 35.
I'll not enjoy working until the age of 70.
>>51570306
>A bit more money but we're going from 120k to 100k soldiers. Plans are not final.
100k seems enough considering your geography. Equipment is the main issue.
The British Army has 82k regulars btw
>>51570647
>100k seems enough considering your geography. Equipment is the main issue.
Completely agree.
The current doctrine is basically give guns to everyone and hope he kills 2 for his own life. Back in 1995 our army still had 400'000 active soldiers/reservists.
It's been long due time to reform this shit.
>>51562243
>egypt before israel
and this is why this chart is utter bullshit
>>51568255
>You can't keep using ancient fighters when the airframe gets worn out
My dad finally bought a new clothes dryer to replace the one he got as a wedding gift in the 1980s. He tried to fix the thing, but sometimes you gotta let it go.
>>51553477
Why invest in the military if you have other things to spend money on? We dont want to be involved in wars so we have no real need for a functioning air force besides basic home defense.
>>51571424
You almost have the same defense budget as France, but literally nothing to show for.
>>51571424
Unlike the Swiss you are in NATO, you have obligations to your alliance. Hell I'd argue that just being in the EU gives you a degree of responsible to help other members in the union - military help if necessary
>>51571133
Seems to just go by straight numbers.
Most of the American advisers that have worked with the Egyptians describe them as being standard Arab fair i.e. complete shit.
>>51571424
>other things to spend money on
Like 40G in welfare for sandniggers?
>>51571738
degree of responsibility*
>>51571740
>aw shieet where da pharaoh's at
>wut is diz shieet, where's da pyramid king
>>51571607
Doesnt really matter that much as the money is still invested and creates work and funds companies employing people. And looking at the arms exports our companies are doing well so apparently its all working fine.
>>51555514
But you do and then sell it cheap to the Finns.
>>51571738
>>51571424
;_;
>>51570580
>>51570306
Supposedly women who have kids at older ages live longer thus if you have them at 38, you have a greater chance of living to your 90s than if you have them at 20.
>>51571995
>Estoniexacts
>>51571876
The issue is less that they're dumb, and more that the Officers see the enlisted as trash, while the senior enlisted see the junior enlisted as trash. I mean that happens in most militaries, but in Arab militaries it's to the point that Sergeants will refuse to teach their subordinates how to do their duties or allow them to have instructional materials. They completely refuse to share knowledge on operations.
>>51571995
It will be more for Poland soon (2,5 if I remember correctly)
>>51571738
>Unlike the Swiss you are in NATO, you have obligations to your alliance.
Most Germans couldnt care less though and dont see responsibility for eastern european countries, especially as Germany was forced into the alliance by the occupying nations then.
„to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down“
If we would have a referendum tomorrow about our NATO membership and responsibility to defend other countries the opposing side would probably win with 70+%.
>>51571740
Still helping regional companies that provide food, etc.
Not that different from the army except that we dont have to pay the refugees that much money and we fund no tech companies like Rheinmetall while doing so.
A shit investment but so is the army.
>>51571934
But it is clear the money is not spent wisely at all. Where do all those billions go to? Not to the air force and navy, that's for sure
>>51572197
Based poland tbhlad
>>51554734
Age hasn't stopped our planes, Hans.
>>51572279
You gib me gun, Lithuania dear saddle my horse
>>51572229
>But it is clear the money is not spent wisely at all.
The technology we have is fine even if we import more than we have ourselves, its the army itself that is shit. No money for exercises, half as much flight time for German pilots compared to US pilots, etc.
>Where do all those billions go to?
Soldiers getting paid mostly, who then fund the local economy again.
>>51572320
We actually give our B-52 fleet regular avionics upgrades and maintenance.
>>51557852
You aren't fighting for us dingus. Your involvement is because of France and the fact that if they keep festering in Syria/Iraq they'll keep attacking and refugees (not economic migrants) will keep coming.
>>51572502
I know that. It's assumed that a plane is going to be maintained properly, so that's why I don't take age of a plane as a good reason for its serviceability.
>>51553477
>complete demilitarisation due to everyone pissing their pants
>actually not allowed to do anything but a defensive war
>just focus on economy instead
>dont care about military
>HURR FIGHT OUR WARS FOR US
We all know that the ME is a powder-keg constantly ignited by the US to control it - I dont even see why we should die for these motives
And all the armchair generals thinking their countries military beats ours - I hope you realize that if ANYTHING happens at all you will defend us, thanks for that senpaitachi.
>>51572320
Bombers age much better than fighters. The types of stress are completely different.
>>51572578
er, un-serviceable condition I should say.
>>51558573
>They're farmers
No they aren't a lot of them are educated and bunch are former Iraqi military (and probably former Syrian as well). They don't have anything to counter getting hit by planes though.
>>51572621
You're hilariously below the max troop limit placed on you and if you decided to go past it no one but Russia would give a shit.
does aditional NATO countries besides USA joining the air raids serve any purpose other than a political one?
>>51572789
Just because we can do everything by ourselves doesn't mean we want to.
>>51572621
>actually not allowed to do anything but a defensive war
Do you have a source for this? Because your government has just sent 1200 German troops out to Syria
>>51572747
If it was up to me I would go even lower and not participate at all, this isnt about demilitarisation anymore or doing our part, all it shows is that you and the rest want us to do your dirty work, because we arent responsible.
>>51572578
>>51572633
Reason for why german air force is shit is service
You think tornadoes are bad? I remember article which said only 8 out of 109 Eurofighters are combat worthy, while about 30 are airworthy
They bought 33 NH90 helicopters, but only 5 were airworthy
German mateinance and engineering is in terrible shape
Even much worse than russian one
>>51572627
Case in point. Bombers mostly fly at low speed in a straight line. They don't perform the loop-de-loop maneuvers at Mach 1 you do in an F-15.
>>51571133
Egypt had the bigger army most of the time, they're just russian tier retarded and let you dominte them almost every time
>>51572858
To be fair, the NH90 has problems wherever it goes, not just in Germany.
>>51572936
Yeah but come on, it's 2015
>>51572789
>does aditional NATO countries besides USA joining the air raids serve any purpose other than a political one?
The RAF has been carrying out 30% of the entire coalition's intelligence and recon flights (that's including the USA). That's a much bigger contribution than our size relative to the rest of the coalition.
Also our Brimstone missiles are probably the most accurate in the entire coalition arsenal
>>51572839
Yea, if you speak german.
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angriffskrieg#Rechtslage_in_Deutschland
>>51572422
But you have less active military personnel than France.
Not trying to bash you guys here, but I really don't get it where you guys spend all that money on. France and the UK can have carriers, better and more frigates, more support ships, better sealift, better and more subs, better and more fighters, better airlift with only a marginally bigger defense budget than Germany. Not even talking about the state of the army here.
>>51572839
>>51573087
Damn nazis
After all this why are they even allowed to have army?
They should need UN permission to own plastic knives
>>51572858
>no fucks given about the planes because why bother
>dont receive the required funds
>only there for show so NATO shuts up
>german engineering is bad
You should shill where more people read it, or where it will make more people laugh rather.
>>51573087
Oh that's slightly different. You're not allowed to start a war of aggression. But you can still join allies in a war or frame something as a preventative war.
In other words you can do pretty much everything France does. E.g. if the government asks you for assistance (like with Mali) or the UN says it's ok (like Syria) then you're fine.
You're really not very restricted at all
>>51573285
That only proves that we are only there to do UN/NATO dirty work.
>>51573263
I meant military technical and mateinance service
i don't know how you say that in english
>>51573107
Im not saying that our military isnt wasteful but Im also saying that Germany doesnt need carriers for example and the wastefulness isnt that bad as a result.
We also have good stuff but that does get exported mainly.
>But you have less active military personnel than France.
Their soldiers get paid a lot less.
>>51572858
Germany is exporting a lot of military equipment. If that stuff was so bad why are people buying it?
>>51573285
>or frame something as a preventative war.
Actually no. Thats why the legality of the actions of the German army in Syria will be decided in front of the constitutional court.
>E.g. if the government asks you for assistance
No.
>>51573592
Because of german lobbying and cheating like with WV
>>51556230
>0.0025% of gdp penalty
keep sucking that kraut cock pole
>>51573637
The governments are buying that not some stupid casual people.
>>51573384
You're so full of shit. Who's forcing you to go to Syria? No one. But you have the freedom to send the military if you want. Most military actions start by one side asking for help to fight another side, so you're not very restricted because Germany could get involved with any of that.
>>51573634
Are you implying the German government sending the 1200 troops to Syria might be illegal?!
>>51573592
>>51573637
A lot of Germany's military exports were because of huge Cold War surplus which allowed them to sell for cheap after the USSR fell, and get access to markets. Also the German military doesn't use as high-end equipment as other big western countries so they can sell to poorer countries easier.
E.g. no one can afford to buy an Astute class submarine but plenty of smaller countries can afford to buy a Type 212 sub. Compare the prices.
But if you look at actual SALES by defence industry then Germany does worse than the UK and France, pic related
>>51573821
Huh, what are burgers buying from us? Don't they have their own "brands" in all mil-related fields?
>>51553477
>get called to attack others by your allies
>okay guess no way to avoid this one
>oh no turns out our military is not useable. what a shame
When did we get this genius.
>>51573861
>Are you implying the German government sending the 1200 troops to Syria might be illegal?!
Yes. Thats what I said.
>>51553477
>2015
>using war as continuation of politics by other means
How'd that work out for you in Iraq or Afghanistan, Ameribro?
>>51557771
How would textron scorpion be "entirely appropriate"? You can't even do air policing with that pile of shit as it's too slow to catch up to civilian airliners.
>>51567014
lol, no. The Swiss have an infantry, but not much more.
>>51555803
>regional superpower
Is that the level about national superpower?
>>51573861
>Are you implying the German government sending the 1200 troops to Syria might be illegal?!
I agree with >>51574893 You can also read in the newspapers that this is going to be a case for the constitutional court.
Die Bundesregierung will deutsches Militär im Kampf gegen den IS einsetzen. Der Grünen-Politiker Trittin kritisiert im SPIEGEL, es gebe dafür keine Rechtsgrundlage. Die Entscheidung wird wohl zum Fall für das Verfassungsgericht.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/juergen-trittin-kritisiert-syrien-einsatz-der-bundeswehr-a-1064850.html
>Machen wir uns nichts vor: Die Arbeitsteilung zwischen "die Anderen übernehmen das schlimme Bomben" und "wir machen nur schöne Luftaufnahmen" wird nicht funktionieren.
>[...]
>An der Stelle werden wir vermutlich auch eine neuerliche verfassungsrechtliche Bewertung bekommen, da Deutschland die Beteiligung an einem "Angriffskrieg" untersagt ist. Akzeptiert Karlsruhe erneut, dass die Reaktionen auf die globalen Ansprüche des Dschihad, also des so genannten "heiligen Krieges", als Verteidigungshandlung und Beistandspflicht gegenüber Frankreich interpretiert werden? Es bleibt eine spannende Frage, wie das Verfassungsgericht ein Grundgesetz wertet, das erkennbar nicht mit der Möglichkeit eines Dschihad gerechnet hatte.
http://www.rp-online.de/politik/ausland/syrien-einsatz-der-bundeswehr-bedingt-einsatzbereit-aid-1.5603013
>>51568153
>regional
>superpower
>>51571607
>You almost have the same defense budget as France
lol no. Only last year France cut its own spending down to come near to our levels. For decades they have spent a lot more than us.
>>51571738
>you are in NATO, you have obligations to your alliance
"To keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down"
So we're fulfilling our obligations then
The german gov started reforming the bundeswehr more and more to save money - they even suspended the mandatory army service couple years ago.
No surprise they also cheaped out on vehicles.
this is what you get when you put a commie marxist woman at the power of your country.
>>51573905
the classic stuff for kinky roleplay
>>51576232
Most support this. The only ones who want a stronger, more expensive, German army are companies and foreigners.
>>51576213
Has Germany fixed their supply issues or are soldiers still using broomsticks instead of machineguns and yelling BANG instead of using ammo?
>>51553477
How many modern jet planes does it take to defeat Daesh?
>>51568255
>given your location Switzerland doesnt need an army
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>>51576754
It's true though, all the corporate/financial elites of the neighbouring cunts (who run said cunts) dodge their taxes there, so Switzerland's sovereignty won't be at stake for at least the next 1000 years
>>51553477
2bh we should leave them out to dry if they ever come under attack.
>>51573107
Look at the numbers:
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2015_06/20150622_PR_CP_2015_093-v2.pdf
France spends more overall and much more on equipment. Percentagewise we spend about the same on personnel and infrastructure as France. But we spend more than France on "other expenditures". That's most likely R&D which makes us a better exporter of military equipment than France.
>>51556792
>Mt. Doom
Don't you mean Barad-dur?
>>51576878
B-but what about Rafale? Does Germany have an equivalent or better?
>>51576232
If only.
>>51576982
they don't have spatial department either.
no launchers
no satellites
no programs
no nukes
no carrier
no nuclear submarines
>>51576878
What the hell? France is just as bad as Germany on personnel spending
>>51576982
>B-but what about Rafale? Does Germany have an equivalent or better?
Germany has Typhoons, the latest versions are better but you have to upgrade and invest in it, and get the latest missiles etc..
>>51577247
German army has more personel in it, they have much more land army, i think we have a better navy and air force.
we spend the same amount of money for a much smaller number of people
>>51577247
>Personneltugal
>>51577093
I didn't know the situation was so bad
>>51573861
>But if you look at actual SALES by defence industry then Germany does worse than the UK and France, pic related
your pic includes domestic sales
>>51577393
>German army has more personel in it, they have much more land army
Wrong - they have less! I was surprised too. Look at this.
Also according to wiki Germany has a smaller land army than Italy
Germany Army = 60k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army
Italian Army = 103k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Army
British Army = 82k
For comparison
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
>>51576496
Won't happen over night. They've started a ten year program to fix these issues. We're in year 1 of that program now.
>>51577525
I am very surprised as well. I was pretty damn sure their ground army had more people in it that us.
>>51577486
Germany should buy JAS Gripen. Best plane for the money. You can buy almost 3 Gripen for the price of one Rafale and maintenance won't cost you an immense amount of money, which rafale will.
>>51577646
than*
>>51577646
Yours has 40k more
Wow
>>51576982
Eurofighter. Though the fact that the development process was disturbed by the end of the Cold War didn't exactly help the program /wrt to cost effectiveness. Pretty much all procurement projects that began pre 1990 and ended post 1990 are fucked up. That's true for every country that was part of the block confrontation.
>>51577525
>WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
Germany has a fourth and fifth logistics and medical force with a lot of people. In other armies this division is integrated into the branches itself.
In Italy its: Army (Soldiers+Logistics+Rest)
In Germany its: Army (Soldiers) + Logistics + Rest
>>51577651
best plane
>>51577903
Ah that makes sense. You're talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Support_Service_(Germany)
Yes that is normally integrated into the Army
>>51577646
Are the Carabinieri included in your army? That distorts numbers a lot.
Also this >>51577903
>>51577525
I think France numbers also include Gendarmerie (around 100k?) which are not really your regular military troops.
I'm more surprised at the size of the British military, didn't know it was this small considering their budget...Seriously you are on par with fucking Spain.
>>51578016
>I'm more surprised at the size of the British military, didn't know it was this small considering their budget...Seriously you are on par with fucking Spain.
Obviously we put more effort into the navy and air force, which require less personnel than a land army. The British Army is expeditionary, designed to serve as a fist for the Royal Navy, not to defend long land borders
>>51577651
I saw a Rafale in demonstration at the Bourget "meeting", it was flying over our heads. I fell in love. Those planes are fucking sick, they're totally like what you imagine those advanced alien looking technologies to be.
The sound it makes, it rips the air it's beautiful.
>>51564869
This. Imagine all that sweet industry turned to war-production.
>>51578195
what about a nice old SR-71 Blackbird? it's over 50 years old and still looking beautiful and futuristic imo
>>51578303
jelly as fuck tbhfamily
>>51578365
Nice Dassault equivalent when?
>>51577093
That's funny.
1. Ariane is a European rocket. And the Viking rocket engine that laid the foundation of European space launch success was largely a child of Karl-Heinz Bringer, a member of Wernher von Brauns original Peenemünde team. And France crosssubsidizes its SLBM development through the ESA budget which is not just annoying but also hides some of the true cost of nukes by keeping it out of the military budget.
2. Germany operates lots of satellites. And with SAR-Lupe Germany became the third nation after USA and Russia to possess the ability for independent high resolution radar reconnaissance from space. The successor system SARah will be even more capable. Germany also operates military comsats and lots of civilian sats.
3. The nuke question was decided in the 60s. In any case, Germany, like many other industrial nations, could make nukes on a short notice if the need arises.
4. Nuclear subs go along with SLBMs and aren't needed if one doesn't operate those.
5. Carriers are the weapon of choice for fleet on fleet action. The only other use for them is expeditionary warfare which Germany, for obvious reasons, has some reservations about.
>>51564869
>british """"engineering""""
Erm ours work fine, and we use them much more than the Germans
The Tornado is one of the most effective and capable bombers in the world. Brit hating is getting kind of pathetic lately.
>>51577247
Could have something to do with British veterans often ending up in jail and American veterans as homeless people.
>>51553477
>left party
The left party always claims this because they are anti-war
>>51577651
Germany has no need to buy additional airplanes. For what purpose?
>>51553477
suck our economic cock
>>51578543
It's a german plane
>>51556203
Well that's just sad
>>51553477
29 airworthy, 6 needed for Syria; availability=483%
Our army is shit because we know we dont have to have one, we let the US pay for our defense.
>>51568557
impressive
>>51572858
They quoted statements from left party members and nothing more. Usually they have alarm starts here with usually about 48 Eurofighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfbCAsojfwE
