If Islam caused violence or terrorism, Southeast Asian countries would have those problems. But they don't. Therefore Islam doesn't.
Q.E.D. quid pro quo
>>51507579
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemaah_Islamiyah
Fuck off mudshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Fuck off mudshit.
of course they have problems
you willfully pull the veil over your eyes
no eyes no problem
>>51507692
>>51507748
Fuck's sake have some respect.
>mudshits
These words can cause pain, you know?
>>51507779
Shooting innocent bystanders with AK47 causes more pain
Pay some fucking respect
>>51507579
Uhh...
http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/11/27/indonesia-capital-terrorism-southeast-asia-police.html
>>51507579
fuck off Abdul
>Terrorists in Patani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
>Terrorists in Sabah
>Terrorists in Mindanao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front (literally MILF)
>Terrorists in Bali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Bali_bombings
>Terrorists all over the place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemaah_Islamiyah
They tried to bomb our metro station a while ago
>>51507579
watch out guys, mr american liberal, fucking EXPERT on indonesia is going to tell us what is happening in SEA.
there was a civil war that only recently ended, one of the more northern countries. muslim population tried to stage a coop and got wrecked, most drowned in boats cause nobody would accept them.
so yes there's problems with islamic sentiment in SEA it's just not the clusterfuck the middle east is yet but it could just as easily implode in much the same way
>>51507811
I have never killed a bystander with an AK47, yet you have called me a mudshit.
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/philippines-kidnap-barangay-captain-beheading-abu-sayyaf/
>>51507779
>Netherlands
The day I find some actual dutch familia under that flag will be glorious.
>>51507843
Well I haven't heard you apologyzing
>>51507841
>it's just not the clusterfuck the middle east is yet
Aceh, Kelantan and Terengganu are massive Shari'a shitholes and the wankers are planning bombs all over the place
OP is an idiot
>>51507779
Fuck off swamp german
In Kazakhstan Islam mixed with steppe pagan culture and Tengriism
>>51507885
>swamp german
>implying he is an actual Dutchman
>>51507863
Plenty of ethnically Dutch people, go to /neder/. I don't post there at all.
>>51507869
Apologize for what? For not killing someone?
Shitskin mohammedians should be gassed and sent up a chimney no matter whether they live in the desert or on an island.
>>51507903
>>implying he is an actual Dutchman
Good point, he could be a marsh nigger
>>51507905
>Apologize for what? For not killing someone?
Well don't ask me to differenciate you from the terrorists if you refuse to do so yourself
>>51507876
pretty much this
>>51507885
he's not dutch he's a turk or a moroccan I can't remember
>>51507998
I just did differentiate myself from terrorists by saying I haven't killed anyone.
>>51508014
I'm Dutch by law.
>>51507579
islam itself is the problem.
not only by causing terrorism
>>51508071
yeah cool and I'm aboriginal
>>51508041
>I don't pick sides anyway these guys are crazy and aren't actual muslims. They can't be muslims since muslims are nice and the holy quran forbides killing innocents. Anyway we all know they are actually illuminati/sionists/jews/mossad/american/cia/russian/saudi/iranian/aliums falsa flags I rest my pledge
t. every muslim ever
Only turkey and the Turkic countries have no problems (caused DIRECTLY by Islam) :^)
>>51508131
#NOT
>>51508131
You seem to put a whole lot of words into my mouth instead of reading what I actually say.
>>51507779
This country is so embarrassing
>>51508131
some libyans, syrians etc. actually genuinely fucking hate isis tb.h
they all hate the west though
Islamic jihad is at war with the world since the 6th century, in which the false prophet Muhammad invented Islam.
They are a disease that needs to be exterminated from the modern world and from all historical records, for the sake of the future generations.
>>51508167
You don't say anything
>>51508193
desu lots of syrian christians are well into the west
>>51508242
I have replied directly to each and every single one of your questions and/or remarks, so if you think I "don't say anything", it's because you give me nothing to reply to.
>>51508291
Please stop Abdel
>>51508316
Why?
>>51508210
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>51507779
>>51507843
>>51507905
>>51508041
>>51508071
>>51508167
>>51508291
>>51508344
>>51508291
A reply isn't an answer. Anyway arguing with passive fags is boring
I must admit this Dutch Muslim won the conversation
>>51508282
>christians
yeah
christians do
>>51508395
>Muslims
>ever winning anything legitimately
They're all a bunch of psychopathic homossexuals.
>>51507579
you were saying?
>>51508291
Are you the guy who denied that Western laws, cultural norms and values were shaped by christianity?
well OP got btfo
so typical though, complete ignorance on his behalf but he tried it anyway in case it actually was true. never research something just propose it. yep what a fucking faggot
>>51508433
>portugal
>>51508468
No, that's not me. And guys like that are simply trolling, trying to make as many people mad as possible.
>>51508494
It's better than mudshits
>>51508517
t. le mad muham
>>51508494
My flag doesn't matter. If you're OP and genuinely side with the Muslims, then you are committing a crime of treason against the United States of America, which is punished with death.
>>51508517
see>>51508131
>it's a falseflag
>>51508544
I'm not mad at all.
>>51508557
It's a 5th column
>>51508517
why can't you accept that there's a lot of things that are wrong with your religion? why is it that muslims are so indoctrinated and stay that way up until adulthood but christians are at least more tolerant and somewhat more keen to critical thinking?
>>51508517
he was pretty serious tb.h one guy was definitely trolling in that thread though
t. shitposting expert
>>51508557
I'm not saying it's a false flag at all, I'm simply saying that many people here who act like extremist Muslims under a Western flag are trolling, just like there are plenty of people here who act like they're into cückoldry and things like that to get (You)'s.
>>51508602
What would you say is wrong about my religion?
>>51508602
>why is it that muslims are so indoctrinated
Because their "holy Book" is from the 6th century. Because their book teaches them that killing non-Muslims (kufar), raping children, fucking dead bodies, fucking animals, etc. is OK.
Don't trust me? Go read the fucking Al-Qur'an, it makes the Christian Old Testament look amicable in comparison.
>>51508588
You sure do seem triggered
As a Christian in Indonesia sometimes I think this country will be a lot more better if majority is Christian or Catholic.
Then I remember Philippines.
Then I realize perhaps it is not the religion.
>>51508468
This guy has obviously not been to the bible belt. My school literally made me pray or I would be expelled. Fucking Christians.
>>51507579
Islam isn't the problem, Arabism is, literally terrorism in SEA funded by Al-Quaeda
Aceh in the onlhy fucked up zone in Indonesia, it's peaceful here where I live
>>51508602
It's because of the teaching and most muslims countried are still 3rd worl so well make them think like that
>>51508588
are you fucking kidding me? I haven't finished the game yet.
I bet you think you're such a badass for such a piece of shit on the internet.
how about you tell me where you live, give me your actual address (in a private message if you are too pussy) and we'll sort this out man to man?
I'll even come to YOU
>>51508734
>are you fucking kidding me? I haven't finished the game yet.
lol fucking casual
>>51508602
because the koran is considered the infallible word of god to them and dictates the way they need to live their lives. The bible was written by men and is more flexible to the majority of us, a lot of christians just take the overall message (do not murder, be kind etc.) not life commands.
>>51508734
it's a fake spoiler calm down hans
>>51508668
well for starters your "prophet" is a pedophile warlord who "married" a 9 year old.
That alone is a massive fucking red flag.
Don't bring southeast Asian on your shitposting thread
Thanks
>>51508780
>a lot of christians just take the overall message (do not murder, be kind etc.) not life commands
The same applied to muslims, we still got the hate tho
>>51507579
Southeast Asia does have those problems you fucking idiot.
The Phillipines have had constant Muslim chimpouts for literally over 100 years.
Muslims in Indonesia recently genocided Christians.
Burmas has Muslim chimpouts.
Indonesia has Muslim chimpouts of Muslims deciding the other Muslims aren't Muslim enough.
Thailand has Muslim chimpouts.
>>51508734
Go Arnold
>>51508719
know that feel, I went to catholic boarding school
immigrants here seriously just stay in the 2 biggest cities so they have no idea about the rest of the country, I think they are allergic to nature
>>51508517
they are virgin, bitter neckbeards who have no life beside chans and youtube comments section, I don't think any sane people care them at all.
>>51508836
>The same applied to muslims
Pic related actually fits the lot of you, you believe in a moongod and praise him by kissing a fucking rock before rampaging around and killing everyone else in the name of Allah, the fucking faggot.
>>51508880
>Muslims in Indonesia recently genocided Christians
u wot m8
>Indonesia has Muslim chimpouts of Muslims deciding the other Muslims aren't Muslim enough
True
#IllRideWithY'all
>>51508796
Our prophet has spread the religion through different means, one of which is through the sword, I agree with this. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a warlord, that's exaggeration.
>pedophile
I can't argue against this without making people here immensely mad.
I'll just say that yes, according to the definition of the term, his relation with Aisha was a pedophiliac one. You can read about Aisha's life yourself so you can see how she turned out and how her marriage with the Prophet went for her.
>>51508880
>Muslims in Indonesia recently genocided Christians.
Wat? Christians burned mosque here recently.
Literally all beliefs is worst, or maybe the humanity itself is the worst. Fuck human pig, they are all disgusting.
>>51508950
Damn you're right, why the hell I'm still sitting here shitposting instead of bombing the nearest churh from here lol
>>51507863
95% of /neder/ is ethnically dutch
>>51509084
sunnism is wrong, convert to islam, reject the false accusations that target to gods messenger
https://youtu.be/iK3u_GgxycE
>>51508880
>chimpouts
I always find that term very funny, but it's a very accurate way to describe how those people act
>>51509135
Your Holy Book literally calls you an apostate for not obediently following what it says. And that's how the cancerous scum from Daesh see you too.
>>51508989
>>51509121
>what is east timor
Inb4 dindu nuffins
>>51509135
shitposting is online terrorism, don't delude yourself
>>51509202
sure senpai, stay mad
>>51509216
You said it recently faggot. That was more than 15 years ago.
God damn it, human is so stupid.
>muh I'm Muslim
Agnostic here
>>51509273
>muds pretending they are not mad all the time
>>51509273
Don't worry, you and your fellows will be eventually purged from the planet.
>>51509084
The penalty for abondoning Islam is death, isn't it? Tell me how that isn't wrong.
>>51509216
psssh, bring ambon and 98 instead famm, ambon and 98.
east timor and papua problems are "muh clay" problem, not religion, also its inevitable since kopassus (which basically hired psychopaths and serial killers) are deployed there
>>51507579
>implying that terrorism doesn't happen in SE Asia
ffs, Americans were killing radical mudslimes in Thailand like a hundred years ago m8
>>51509135
Probably because somebody beat you to it a couple of decades ago.
>>51508836
>>51508836
No, we are too different.
Our ideas about human rights came from experience and christianity. Yours comes from the koran and dignity. It is impossible for Islamic countries to compare to Western standards of human rights.
That's why we will never agree on anything and our societies are so different.
>>51509367
>a hundred years ago
don't weaken the argument milo there's still lots of terrorism here
>>51509323
15 years is recent history, like by literal definition of the term.
>>51509346
>it wasn't a real genocide, just Muslim soldiers massacreing tens of thousands of Christian civilians for clay.
>peduli sama pendapat bule
Gak ada untungnya, baka.
>>51509326
>>51509336
ayyy so salty, please continue guys
>>51509202
That's why we have teachings and interpretations like christians do
>>51509216
Happened almost 20 years ago and btw the Indonesian annexation of East Timor in 70's supported by USA because Fretelin party of East Timor was gommies
>>51509345
Yes, there is a death penalty for apostasy, however many people use the Quran to argue that this is unjust. Most people will probably say that the Quran contradicts itself on this matter.
For me personally, I hold the belief that the death penalty for apostasy is a remnant of a time where Islam was very small and thus vulnerable. I personally think that apostasy should not be punishable by death, with my eye on some verses of the Quran.
>>51509419
just saying
muslims have been a problem as long as muslims have existed
americans should go back to old school methods like on thailand - kill mudslimes, bury with pigs, lelface.jpg
>>51509434
>it wasn't a real genocide
it is, only not relevant with islam problem since its not the motive, there are also christian kopassus officer deployed there pulling the strings.
ambon and 98 on the other hand...
>>51509512
there is no death penalty for apostasy in quran.
>>51509466
HEYYYY
>>51509551
hey cheeki how is it going
>>51509401
Actually we are more complex than that senpai. Our fundamental's country is build from mixed mostly between buddhism, hinduism. So yeah compared to islamic country, we are more like far eastern country.
>>51509574
Horosho blyat
>>51509547
eh
Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.
Allah is great
>>51509547
Not directly, but there is a mention of punishment, and in multiple hadiths there is a mention of the death penalty. (Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260, Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271).
>>51509401
So you're saying like the ideas of christianity came by studying sociology and ours came from the book? It's kinda true but as we're growing older it's slowly adds other sources regarding the idea of human rights
>>51509466
Nigger, we can't be salty when getting rid of you is like getting rid of a bug infestation.
We got rid of you from Portugal once and for all, and we will gladly do it again.
>>51509507
Doesn't matter if the president supported the annexation, we sure as shit didn't support the genocide.
>>51509531
That was the Philippines, not Thailand. Thailand was never a colony of any Western power, the only country in SEA that managed to do so.
Philippines however was best colony. Wish we'd kept them instead of faggot ass Puerto Rico.
>>51509621
>>51509606
I'm quran only, I don't believe hadithes.Because Allah says my book is enough,yet autistic writers wanted to justify disgusting things with "prophets words" And those translated maden according to hadithes so they don't contradict.
>>51509630
We're here to help your loneliness, you can talk to us when you choose to get rid of spier webs in your brain, I don't hate you guys really.
>>51509602
wut
>>51509625
>but as we're growing older it's slowly adds other sources regarding the idea of human rights
The problem is, eveny if you're "growing", you're about 600 years behind, and thus incompatible with the civilized world.
>>51509678
See >>51509539
>>51509779
Education will makes it faster m8
>>51509539
If the Timorese had been Muslim the civilians would not have been systematically massacred and we both know it.
>>51509773
>We're here to help your loneliness, you can talk to us when you choose to get rid of spier webs in your brain, I don't hate you guys really.
I'd rather be a traditionally depressed Portuguese than submit myself to Islam in any way. I honor my flag and my ancestors by doing so.
What you just said is one of the deceptive mechanisms the lot of you use to entice folks into your herd mentality. Unfortunately for you, I don't buy it.
>>51507579
>Q.E.D. quid pro quo
You what?
>>51509853
ISIS massacred countless muslims in Syria tho
>>51507843
fuck off mudshit
>>51509853
not really, you don't understand m8, its fucking kopassus we're talking about, a gang made up from dozens of anton chigurh.
there is even undisclosed warcrime in aceh, look that up
>>51509888
>I honor my flag and my ancestors by doing so
When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance? (Surah Al-Baqara, 170)
>2015
>following mindlessly ancestors
>claiming to be rational
>being proud with achievments even though they were product of rational people not ancestor worhsipping retards
LoL
>>51509947
Burgerlogic
>>51509960
No, rude compatriot.
>>51510000
>posts quranic verse
>get quads
coincidence? I think not
>>51509956
Are you implying the Indonesian Army is on the same level as ISIS now?
Maybe when it comes to Christians but when it comes to other Muslims? Get real.
>>51510000
>his only counterargument is a quotation from his holy book
>accusing others of irrationality
>defending the values of freedom held by our ancestors is mindless following them
ayy limões
>>51508732
Islam is arab culture, you can't be muslim and have no arab influence.
>>51509580
Yeah I know, the balinese are super chill. And I know you're not all like Aceh. Couldn't pay me to visit though, but half of that is to do with the type of australians that go over there.
>>51510106
>>his only counterargument is a quotation from his holy book
please tell anyone your argument, any sane person will point how irrational it is, it is true even if there woulnd't such a verse in quran.
>>defending the values of freedom held by our ancestors is mindless following them
I'm pretty sure you'd be content with catholic priest deceive you, rule you and took your future wifes (being opitmistic for you) virginity.Afterall you are and idiot who wants to live in past.
>>51510073
No, I'm just saying that Islam isn't the main motive there, the main motive is the clay and we were crazyli;er back then I give that. If Aceh people did same thing like what Timorese did probably same thing would happened to hem
>>51510237
>If Aceh people did same thing like what Timorese did probably same thing would happened to hem
And I do not believe that.
>>51510234
>associating the Portuguese values of freedom with Christianity
>implying most of us are religious anymore
Epic.
>>51510139
It contradicts many original Arabic cultures tho, I won't call it merely an Arabic culture
>>51510275
Okay American, you don't know how our politics work back then senpai
>>51510275
and it happened, pic related, after kopassus having fun in aceh
>>51507579
Mumbai shootings.
I just wanna say that there is a lot of strife in the Muslim world, but at the same time I know plenty of really nice Muslim families who have welcomed me into their homes and treated me as a member of their family. I know plenty who get threats and shit just for being brown, and I firmly believe that they would still get those threats even if they were Christian, simply because they stand out.
inb4 it's a big ruse and they're doing taqiyya shit to trick me. I feel like a lot of people here cherrypick Koran verses but have no clue as to what they really mean or how they are interpreted. I also wanna add that I am not a Muslim and would never convert, since I know there will also be an inevitable follow up post calling me an inside agent or some other weird paranoid shit.
If you're a muslim living in the West, don't take anything you read on /int/ or /pol/ seriously.
>>51510412
Mumbai is in South Asia learn geography britfuck
and here the actual example of what you can finally call muslim's barbarity
>>51510425
Ahmed pls the only good muslims are the european ones
>>51510425
>If you're a muslim living in the West, don't take anything you read on /int/ or /pol/ seriously.
Why not? The vast majority of people irl do not like Muslims or want them around them. Polls consistently show this.
/int/ is a perfect representation of how a majority of western people really think on this matter, myself included.
>>51510523
>/int/ is a perfect representation of how a majority of western people really think on this matter, myself included.
top kek no
>>51510425
>I know plenty who get threats and shit just for being brown, and I firmly believe that they would still get those threats even if they were Christian, simply because they stand out.
Because a lot of brown people don't know how to behave.
Asians look diffrent aswell, yet they don't get shit because Asians dont make any troubles
>>51510496
You're actually very wrong. The North American ones are much better assimilated. It's mostly the Euro ones that have a lot of the younglings going towards extremism.
>>51510548
On Islam? It most certainly fucking is.
The average person may not want Muslims gassed but they sure as shit don't want to live around them.
>>51510469
Oh shove off unknown flag
>>51509625
Yeah basically. We had the age of enlightenment, the renaissance etc. that produced christian philosophers which helped develop our ideas about democracy etc. also terrible wars that made us go "we don't want to do that again"
There was bad shit that went on when the church had too much power, that led to revolutions (like France) and now most western countries have a big focus on separation of church and state and a huge focus on education instead of obsessing over a religious doctrine
it's good that you're adapting but there's still a big gap. I think religious figures have too much of a pull in politics in islamic countries. Poor christian african countries are pretty bad with human rights as well.
>>51507579
islam causes violence and terrorism except when the people following islam have orderly east Asian genes/culture.
Everyone knows that east Asians are orderly.
>>51510567
comme muslims are the only good ones
>>51510595
>an american website for chinese cartoons is an accurate representation of the real world
sure thing
>>51510621
Part of me feels that it would have evened out if the west had just kinda stayed out of it and let it fester. The people would have gotten sick of it and done something. Only problem is that they want their own shit instead of using western ideals (which work) and move towards islamic law and shit
>>51510660
Check out any poll in western countries where people are asked about Islam.
>>51507779
Good, we want you to fail the pain you cause the world
>>51510694
polls are useless and raided by right wingers.
check out the real world
>>51507843
Because we all know who you are now, you're that afghan asshole who always defends Islam. You come to the west and defend an enemy culture, pretend your home countries weren't shit because of said culture and then bring your Palestine/Jew obsession with you. You could just call yourself an afghan and not a Muslim like one of my good Muslim hating friends but you won't because most Muslims are deluded brainwashed pieces of shit
>>51510777
>polls are useless
And we're done here. Pew does not get "raided" you moronic 12 year old.
>>51510425
People don't deserve to get shit for being brown or muslim or whatever, but christians, gays, apostates in muslim countries also don't deserve to be killed. It's just as stupid to dismiss islamic terrorism and barbarity because you know nice muslims as to think all muslims want to cut off your head because of terrorism.
It's nice to know you'll sit next to someone with a headscarf on a bus and that muslim families have treated you well but that doesn't stop Saudi Arabia imprisoning rape victims, ISIS killing gays by pushing them off tall buildings or change the fact 130 innocents died in the name of Islam recently.
It's people like you that don't want to talk about problems with Islam because nothing has happened in your backyard yet that allow things to go unaddressed. It's just not helpful to say "I know a nice muslim, fuck off /pol/, muslims pls dont be upset by us"
>>51510824
>hurrrrr muh polls
elections are more reliable than your fantasy polls you retard
>>51510878
not in america because of gerrymandering which has proved time and time again that those in power in the USA can and will manipulate voting to ensure they stay in power
>>51508131
I've never seen every Muslims argument ever summed up in one post so well. Saved for every time a mudshit speaks up
>>51510924
Which would be fascinating if the vast majority of Americans didn't agree that Muslims are scum, which polls show they clearly do.
>>51507579
Just because there are different levels of monkey, doesn't mean they aren't all monkeys.
>>51511002
hey hey hey
calm down
i'm not here to argue with you i just posted to make a correction
>>51510870
I can see how you might interpret what I said wrong, so I'll just be very clear:
I am 100% Wahabi-Islam, I do not agree with Saudi Arabia, and I definitely don't agree with the way certain groups of people are treated in various Muslim-majority countries. All I'm saying with that post is that a lot of the hate people receive in the West is stupid and ridiculous.
That doesn't mean that I am not critical of Islam or extremism. That doesn't mean that I don't talk about the problems with Islam, or the problems some people have integrating into European countries. All I'm saying is, from personal experience, I have seen people get shit on or harrassed based on the fact that they were Muslim, and I think that this kind of action can be dangerous, as it can lead to further extremism.
I hope that kind of cleared things up. I understand that people get emotional about this kind of thing, but I didn't mean to imply that the Islamic world is free of blame.
>>51510870
saudi arabia isnt a good gauge on the views of the muslim world
islamic radicalism is a very recent phenomena that has a direct relation to the geopolitics of the area. That isnt to say the muslim world before then was a secular paradise, but it was much more stable and healthy than it was after western imperialism ravaged the place. Its no surprise that countries which were able to avoid that mess, are the healthiest and most promising. To look at the state of the muslim world and put the blame solely on Islam is a very juvenile way of analyzing the situation. Is Islam a factor, of course, is it the only factor? not even close.
>>51510688
How far back are you talking? Brits have been over there for centuries. French as well. It's a fucking mess but you're right, if we weren't there they would just be fighting each other.
>they want their own shit instead of using western ideals (which work) and move towards islamic law and shit
it sucks but it's their culture, western democracy just wouldn't work they didn't go through all this >>51510621
I don't think that islam could go through anything similar though, it is not compatible with democracy or free thinking. That's why it is so alien to us.
>>51507579
Indonesia, Malaysia, and souther Philippines is a fucking shit hole all because of the mudslimes there. Most of the people I've met who are from those countries all have the same reason for being here: mudslimes have made the countries too dangerous.
>>51510960
i don't understand why you had to look for fault in koran or muslim's chimpout verses to reject islam.
its just not compatible with modern culture, and muslims keep proving that. the necessary argument is just as simple as that.
>>51508668
Your countries are all war torn, your prophet a pedo warlord, forced rape and conversion, covering women in sacks, Cutting clits, ducking goats, obsessed with Jews...
>>51511082
I'm mostly talking about when they partitioned the Ottoman Empire. It was a big mess back then too, but the way the Europeans carved up the borders then was kind of a mess, and further exasperated the problem.
Shit like Israel wouldn't be as tricky, and Iraq might still be 3 small nations instead of a failed buffer against Iran.
>>51511041
Islam is just another ideology, a political one at that.
Is hatred of fascists and communists wrong? No, it is not. Fascists and communists likewise do not share our values and wish to seem them destroyed and our societies dismantled. Islam is no different.
>>51511123
>Philippines is a fucking shit hole all because of the mudslimes there
stopped reading there, the natives are just subhuman, regardless of muslim or not
>>51511082
People often argue that muslims need a reformation, yet the ignore the reality of the christian reformation history. The western world tends to forget the amount of blood that was shed during the christian reformation. .Muslims are going through the exact same process right now, this is the reformation.
>>51511183
I agree with you about political Islam, but I feel like it doesn't necessarily have to be political, and I guess that is where we differ.
Any religion in a political form would be bad news, in my opinion.
>>51511183
>a political one at that
Islam can be a political ideology, it isnt exclusively one by design though
>>51511270
peaceful islam: sufiism = death of a country
less peaceful islam ; other branch = also death of a country
you choose
>>51511317
>Islam can be a political ideology, it isnt exclusively one by design though
But it is. All Islam is extremist totalitarian politics, there is no in-between.
>>51508449
>Rio
>>51511333
indonesians=monkey niggers
asians=humans
you choose
>>51511333
How does Sufiism lead to the death of a country? The whole point I was making is that you can have Islam as a separate thing from politics and government, just like with any other religion.
>>51511350
>there is no in-between.
except there is
the primary purpose of Islam isnt to create a caliphate, its to get closer to God
theres a reason why Muhammad didn't specifically name a successor to rule the muslims
>>51511399
like japan
>>51511376
>asians=humans
agreed with this one, chosen :^)
>>51511480
Do you just mean with pluralism like in the Shinto religion or what? Do people just not have sex if they're Sufis? I don't think you know much about Japan's current issues buddy, as the low birth rate thing isn't unique to that country, and tends to be closer linked to how advanced a country is.
>>51507779
Fuck off mudslime, mudshit.
Merdemmed is a rapist paedophile.
>>51511270
>>51511317
Confirmes for never having read the koran or hadith.
Sorry lefties but Islam is explicitly potical and is self professed to be within its own texts.
>>51509084
You being ok with that is why you're a shit person, your God as an asshole, your prophet a madman and all Muslims should be deported
>>51511176
Oh yeah. Did the UK just dump it on the UN and bail after a couple of years?
Israel is tough I don't know, the Jews were willing to compromise back then. No one is ever going to agree on that stretch land. I have christian lebanese and iranian mates whose families fled the ME, they basically said that awful stuff will happen to you if you are a minority over there no matter what. I guess that's why it's tough for the west not to intervene, people being slaughtered en masse. Of course oil as well.
Jordan has done really well, I had a uni lecturer from there super nice guy.
>>51511542
no, ascetism = less sexual drive =death of population
>>51511601
I have read Hadiths, but I assumed they were the same as getting religious guidance from a priest or whatever. Like you're not sure what to do but want to follow your religious rules, so you ask someone who is better educated in the religion.
Can you give me some examples of how it states it's political? I'm not trying to be a dick I'm genuinely curious.
>>51511678
Yeah, both sides had their chances, so I wouldn't say either side is 100% to blame. Although, Israel is doing some pretty bad shit right now, but even that isn't black and white. Jordan seems to be pretty good, but from what I've heard their leaders are pretty good.
>>51511679
If that were the case, then all of Asia would have the same problems.
>>51511399
>The whole point I was making is that you can have Islam as a separate thing from politics and government
"Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination."
-ali imran 28
u wot?
>>51511678
>Jordan has done really well,
Only because their king won't put up with any bullshit and will throw you in prison if you make too many waves.
Literally something like 90% of Jordan are hurka durkas that want to kill all the Jews in Israel.
>>51511782
the thing is, asia IS NOT peaceful.
>>51511782
>Can you give me some examples of how it states it's political?
No. Read the Koran for yourself, you clearly have never bothered.
>>51511933
I have though. But thanks for not contributing anything to the discussion.
I guess I'll try to remember to keep a look out if I ever decide to look through that book again.
>>51511835
doubtful, chill out cunt
>>51511782
it's a mess, middle east is too difficult to even think about sometimes
night man
>>51512146
Honestly, the best way to do it would just be to completely redraw borders, same with a lot of Africa.
Unfortunately, you just can't do that nowadays. Night.
>>51508709
>As a Christian in Indonesia
Christians shouldnt be allowed in muslim lands GTFO.
>>51511206
no :^)
here's the real problem if you wanna know
>>51512385
>>51512906
oh shit i fucked it up
i mean:
>>51512385
no :^)
here's the real problem if you wanna know
>>51511206
>>51513020
No, Phillippines is a shit hole because of all the catholics that live there.
>>51507579
>But they don't
Are you joking ?
Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, all have attacks because of Islam. 2 weeks ago, there was just another attack in Bali.
Ask Pinoys and Tahilandese how shit are their mudslim communities.
>>51516857
That and Filipinos in America and Europe are billions better then literally any Muslim
>>51516857
What this attack in Bali?
>>51507579
USA is causing terrorism.
>>51521691
>>51521691
I agree they're warmonger anyway they sell weapons too .
>>51507579
>mfw combo breaker
>>51522061
>>51521691
We should really fuck both of your shit up just to show you what we can really do. You think Putin will rush in to save you?
>>51522183
No problem we hate america anyway and we need birth control.
I was joking though buddy.
