Why do people think the FSA will turn into the same thing as ISIS?
We saw a very similar situation in Afghanistan during the 90's when the Northern Alliance fought against the Taliban.
The Northern Alliance didn't become Islamist extremists after the Taliban were taken out of power.
Why does everybody believe the FSA will?
>>51494516
You need money and guns to support the FSA?
>turn into the same thing as ISIS?
Russia is funding ISIS; same time making quick money by selling the same weapons to themselves
>>51494546
Lol what
>>51494516
Because the FSA literally has 80% of its members from the Taliban, Al qaeda, (former) Mujahedin, and moderate (lol) Chechens.
They're not good people just because they're less bloodthirsty.
>>51494590
Russians are making money out of the war and contributing to the problem as well.
You have to understand the Russian culture of geopolitics
>>51494634
>Taliban, Al qaeda, (former) Mujahedin, and moderate (lol) Chechens
Calm them contracted militiamen fighting a proxy war disguised as religious extremists
>>51494634
You're confusing the FSA with a bunch of other groups. The FSA is small and mostly former SAA soldiers.
>>51494634
That's complete bullshit though
ISIS is completely foreigners
>>51494516
You didn't heae anything about Jabjat an-Nusra or Ahrar al-Sham, did you?
What I dont understand is, when the civil war began, people said, USA is not gonna intervene like eg in Libya, because Syria had only very little oil and it's not worth it. But now Daesh has that oil and sells it, obviously in amounts that grant them enough money to run their territory.
If there is so little Syrian oil, how come it's enough ti enable the Daesh shithole?
>>51494854
Those are different groups though.
The FSA is like the Northern Alliance.
>be american soldier
>have to work with northern alliance
>their generals chain little boys to their beds and rape them daily
>get sick of the screaming at night
>kick the shit of pedoally
>get kicked out of army for doing right thing
>become homeless
Northern alliance are real cool bros sure buddy
>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
>>51494634
I'm going to break your comment down because you obviously don't know what you're talking about:
1.) There are almost no Afghan fighters and not a single Afghan Jamat (foreign fighting group) in Syria.
2.) There are no Al-Qaeda members in FSA. Al-Qaeda in Syria is called al-Nusra and is a completely different group. Al Nusra has destroyed many FSA groups for being too secular or to pro-Western including Syrian Revolutionary Front, Harakat Hazzm, Division 30 and now Jaysh-al Thuwar. There are no Al-Qaeda members in the FSA, Al Qaeda has its own group retard.
3.) The mujahadin have grouped mainly in Jamats from their respective country in different Islamist groups, but very few have joined the FSA. Most join Islamic groups that have affiliations with their countries.
4.) There is literally not a single FSA affiliated Chechen group. I can't even think of one with a significant minority of Chechens. Most of them are in JMA, Junud al-Sham or other Al-Nusra linked groups.
>>51494907
Because they don't need a ton of money to operate. They aren't running a country.
>>51494959
That's not the northern alliance you idiot
That's the army
The northern alliance was dissolved in 2001
>>51494643
>http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
the usa intelligence makes it clear that the west supports the syrian terrorists, russia supports the regime.
>>51495051
Take off your proxy.
>>51494994
pretty similar to a country, they have a country-size territory, gas stations, markets, arms, administration, prisons, hospitals
oh i forgot, the usa, turkey and the saudis pay for all that
>>51495103
Wrong. They don't operate any institutions.
>>51495103
Still with the proxy. You're not even trying to hide it.
>>51494909
So basically non-existant.
>In addition to son Bilal’s illegal and lucrative oil trading for ISIS, Sümeyye Erdogan, the daughter of the Turkish President apparently runs a secret hospital camp inside Turkey just over the Syrian border.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/30/vt-was-right-bilal-and-sumeyye-erdogan-son-and-daughter-of-president-erdogan-are-isis-gangs/
>ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/isis-oil-trade-full-frontal-raqqas-rockefellers-bilal-erdogan-krg-crude-and-israel-c
>IS sold 800 Mio Dollar oil in Turkey, 1500 tons diesel cross the turkish border daily, pipelines from rumeila to gaziantep
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/business/2014/06/turkey-syria-isis-selling-smuggled-oil.html
>Syria oil map
http://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/
>>51494634
>and moderate (lol) Chechens.
They are freedom fighters who were exiled by evil dictator Putin.
>>51495121
they control them -- they operate them, they even have a fucking bank there
>>51495157
What do you mean?
The Northern Alliance fought the Taliban for years and finally got rid of them when the US invaded and bombed the shit out of them with airstrikes
Ahmad Shah Massoud was killed a couple days before 9/11, the government took over the country and the NA dissolved
The FSA is exactly like this
>>51495180
I don't think pipelines are shielded, Russia could cut that shit with two bombs
>>51495121
Wrong. Completely untrue. One of the ways Daesh was able to get so much support in Syria is because they made a point of institutions. The first thing they do is start paying civil servants and get electricity and roads working. They also have dedicated police instead of corrupt rebel militias and 15 competing rebel sharia courts.
>Why do people think the FSA will turn into the same thing as ISIS?
Because it pretty much did. There is no "moderate" rebel force in Syria.
>>51495138
I don't even know what a proxy is or how to use one.
>>51495236
What he means is
>Go back to Russia, Dima
>>51495217
It's crazy how 4 years ago Alewites and Sunnis were able to protest together. Now Assad has completely destroyed every Sunni opposition neighborhood and most Sunnis have turned to Islamist groups and sworn revenge. No way to stop the bloodshed now but back then there was real hope.
https://youtu.be/RjEwoZ6rZlY
>>51494546
And you're funding the FSA by dropping them TOW missiles and TOW units you fucking fatlord.
I remember when entire brigades were defecting in Idlib. At one point the Syrian PM had just defected, Assad's brother-in-law and top general were killed and the rebels were blocks away from the MoD headquarters. Crazy how much the war has changed.
They already are isis
>>51495216
FSA is probable the smallest and the weakest group out there which leaders were admitting they copperated with ISIS (before it became famous and bad bad bad) and still cooperating with Nusra and Ahrar, so basically Al-Qaeeda. No links to Afghanistan, sorry, different situation.
>>51495383
Jabhat al-Nusra is literally more irrelevant than FSA,, and Jaish al-Islam is more irrelevant than al-Nusra.
>>51495290
alewites were always protected by the regime. it was muslim brotherhood, salafists, and al quaida who were the ones who started the protests. the friday prayers additionally mobilized also the tribes that live on the syria-iraq border.
the islamic state is upheld by all sunni forces in the region as a joint effort. they even have their own refugee camps.
>>51495264
Yeah i didn't notice you could go lower in the article
So it all boils down to the west wanting to remove Assad
Fucking hell
>>51495413
Dude, look at the map, Nusra is everywhere there.
>>51495470
and to the more and more expanding integrists/islamofascists from saudi arabia
>>51495383
Well the Afghanistan situation was a little less complicated than Syria but it does have its similarities
And the FSA isn't small, it's the 3rd biggest after ISIS and the regime
>>51495489
Honestly the french and amlerican government should all be hanged or guillotined for high treason, and All of Arabia glassed by nuclear fire
>>51495499
i would think it's smaller than the kurds, but who cares, fsa is one branch of daesh anyway
>>51495522
seconded
>>51495413
>JaN is literally more irrelevant than FSA
LOL. FSA have been irrelevant for more than a year in the north. JaN is the undisputed king. They've kicked the shit out of 3 different FSA groups that opposed them. Then they spearheaded the most successful rebel offense in 2 years. They were the primary force behind capturing Matsouma and Idlib. Then Jisr al Shugur and Ghab Plain.
JaN is literally one of the most effective fighting forces in all of Syria and they've destroyed every group that has opposed them. Meanwhile the FSA have been spanked by Nusra in the North and completely unable to put together anything. They've been trying to take Daraa for the past 2 years, but after the last failed offense have been sitting back doing nothing for months. I don't know where you're getting your info from but you clearly don't know your shit.
>>51495499
If we don't count different branches of Al-Qaeeda and other islamist it will be the smallest one.
>>51495558
Where do you get your sources anon?
>>51495121
the boss of the turkish secret service demanded three days ago that daesh opens a fucking embassy in turkey so that it can get recognized as a country
>>51494516
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20b_1447408343
Because they're faggots.
>>51494516
Because this already happened in Libya and Egypt. When arabs get democracy they immideately elect islamists and start to establish world Caliphate. Do you know that the largest government that USA supports is not democratic - lucky to Egypt there still were some "old guards" that made a military coup and had overthrown democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood.
>>51495583
Literally been following the conflict on a daily basis since it started. I follow any journalists with connections to fighters on either side. Leith Fadel has good sources within the Syrian Arab Army. There's a BBC Arabic correspondent that has a TON of great sources within rebel groups in the North. A lot of conflict reporters on twitter verify statements and releases from Syrian government, rebels ISIS.
But that's besides the point. Saying Nusra is irrelevant completely ignores the fact that in the last year Nusra kicked the Syrian government's ass so bad Russia had to intervene. All while the FSA withered away in the North and failed to put together a single offense in the south. I swear when I see these threads it seems like some people just make up information about this conflict.
>>51495682
Nusra is al-Qaeda so they're probs CIA agents lmao
>>51495713
It's us actually
Well I mean the CIA certainly has a part, but we do our share to fuck everything up for good
>>51495713
If Nusra=CIA then the CIA are retarded. Nusra has destroyed the Syrian Revolutionary Front, Harakat Hazzm and Division 30. 3 FSA groups that the CIA armed and trained. Also there's the fact that the US has been bombing Nusra in Syria for the last year.
>>51495682
>I swear when I see these threads it seems like some people just make up information about this conflict.
Different factions of sand peoples killing other sandpeoples. The kurds are the only relevant ones in this shit fella.
In the meantime, your government is funding both al-Nusra(al-Quaeda) and the FSA, and of course ISIS by dropping here and there care packages containing 5.56Nato ammo and TOW missiles so they can shoot down russian helicopters and naval ships.
>>51495732
CIA agents fought battles in Afghanistan so I wouldn't be surprised if they fought in Syria too
>>51494994
>They aren't running a country.
That's literally what IS is.
>>51495413
so these militias actually are there only because of turkey?
>>51495810
They probably get a free pass in and out the Turkish-Syria border.
>>51495732
well, to compensate, you could nuke Rakka for starters
>>51495769
>Dropping ISIS TOW missiles so ISIS can shoot down helicopters.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. The group that shot the helicopter was 1st Coastal Division. It's an FSA group in Latakia - a region where ISIS doesn't even exist. Just turn off your proxy and start making you're completely unsubstantiated claims that were arming two groups we've been bombing. But you've demonstrated several times you literally know nothing about Syria other than the few buzzwords you've either picked from a conspiracy website or from your Kremlin troll prompt.
>>51495824
LOL. These are all groups in SOUTHERN SYRIA. Not on the Turkesh border at all.
>>51495857
>1st Coastal Division
Where are your actual sources? Unless you're some kind of secret intelligence agent I won't believe your bullshit.
And I'm not making shit up. Faggot. It doesn't change the fact that american weaponry is used by the insurgents, and it's not only about those missile units.
>>51495857
Are you the guy that posts the syrua thresads on k?
can any of you by any chance post the latest map of syria/iraq with the territories of the four groups?
>>51495967
Just go to ISIS's wikipage
>>51495898
Here's the actual video of First Coastal Division shooting the helicopter. For one they didn't shoot it down with a TOW. That's almost completely impossible. It was forced down by AA fire then finished off on the ground by a TOW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1zODmKw59g
Pic related you can see Latakia on the top coast of Syria. As you can see it is over 300 miles away from ISIS territory. ISIS hasn't existed in Latkia for almost 2 years now since the rebels banded together and pushed them all the way back to Raqqa.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You've made that apparent a couple times now. You just repeat buzzwords you've heard from conspiracy sites about the war but know nothing about what's actually going on inside the country.
>>51495925
No I don't go on /k/.
>>51495967
Check pic related. If you search Syrian civil war the Wikipedia page usually has an up to date map with decent detail.
kthx
>>51496037
>For one they didn't shoot it down with a TOW.
Still finished it with a TOW.
>You have no idea what you're talking about. You've made that apparent a couple times now. You just repeat buzzwords you've heard from conspiracy sites about the war but know nothing about what's actually going on inside the country.
Post
Your
Fucking
Sources
Or
Fuck
Off.
>>51496090
He just gave you video evidence you retard
>>51496037
How is the government still holding up in those kurdish and ISIS enclaves ?
Are the kurds fighting against Assad ?
>>51496111
>Youtube video
Obviously it's not what I'm talking about.
>>51496037
OLD INFO
Here's the latest:
The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has deployed newly-arrived Russian T-90 advanced battle tanks to the Southern Aleppo front for the first time. The Russian battle tanks will help to continue the SAA advance on the towns of Kafraya and Al-Fou’aa.
T-90 offers the Syrian army several new features to fight ISIS including a 2A46M 125 smoothbore tank gun; a four-stroke V-12 piston engine; and most importantly, the Kontakt-5 explosive reactive armor. Much of the ISIS’ successes in Northern Syria has come from their US manufactured anti-tank TOW missiles. The T-90 Tanks’ armor should be strong enough to endure the impact from the TOW missile.
>>51496090
Sources for what? That ISIS doesn't exist in Latakia. THEY HAVEN'T FOR 2 YEARS. I just posted the map. I posted the video showing 1st Coastal destroying the helicopter. Literally all I've been doing is debunking your completely uninformed misinformation you've been spread.
>>51496178
The YPG and government (With Assyrian Christian militias fighting for both sides) fought at the beginning of the year. But then ISIS launched a huge offense against them both in Hasakah. ISIS nearly wipped out the regime in Hasakah city but they were able to hold on. Since then they've been working together, but it's almost still a stretch to call them allies.
>>51496195
What do you want a source for? That ISIS doesn't exist in Raqqa? Look at the map.
>>51496178
In the Kurdish areas, the SAA has an agreement with the Kurds to stay where they are and let the Kurds keep pushing South and West against ISIS.
>>51496221
>>51495794
No, its not. You didn't get enough oxygen at birth if you believe otherwise.
>>51496267
>>51496221
>Old info
My post literally had nothing to do with what you said in your post so I don't know why it was "Old info."
>>51495588
Bullshit.
>>51496253
>>51496262
Thanks guys
>>51496253
Thanks. I found your sources on Liveleak channels. Autistic fatlord. When I ask you to provide, you do. Now I did the dirty work by myself.
>>51495221
That nigger fucking horseshit. They don't pay shit. They extort. ISIS doesn't have local support. That's why it's like 99% non-Syrians.
>>51496320
>“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.
http://internetz-zeitung.eu/index.php/81-aussenpolitik/3362-t%C3%BCrkischer-geheimdienstchef-bekennt-sich-zur-kooperation-mit-dem-is
>>51496320
>>51496549
(cont.)
>Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.
>>51496549
Is that why there are no Syriabs to speak of willingly joining and supporting ISIS?
>>51496262
The regime are in no position to negotiate. Kurds hold the strategic high ground in Hasakah and Qamishli and are numerically superior. After Regiment 121 fell the regime has been in a terrible position in Hasakah province and are pretty much at the mercy of the YPG. Luckily the YPG is smart enough to use this as leverage to barter for greater autonomy rather than destroy the regime more and risk provoking a wider conflict later.
>>51496372
Despite your yelling you're still wrong. ISIS has been heavy in the services. Pretty much the first thing they do in any town they capture is bring in heavy equipment to repair roads and lines. They realized the other groups weren't providing proper services so they knew it was an angle they could use to get local support. They've reopened hospitals and repaired roads and electric services that were completely neglected under rebel rule. That's actually one of the things that really differentiated them ftrom other rebel groups in the beginning. They were series about forming proper administration and civil services.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/world/middleeast/offering-services-isis-ensconces-itself-in-seized-territories.html
http://www.understandingwar.org/report/isis-governance-syria
>>51496549
Seconding my motion that we put french and us gov on trial, as well as glass Arabia, I suppose we glass Turkey as well
>>51496320
>>51496567
>>51496549
tl;dr
>"ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul."
>>51496579
You're grossly, grossly overstating how much ISIS does. They have no willing employees. They don't attract any outside administrative or engineering talent. It's all local population that they don't allow to leave.
>>51496600
Settle down Algeria.
>>51496579
Nobody that joins ISIS has that sort of expertise. They use what are essentially local captives to do this work.
>>51494516
Why support FSA when there's SAA, anyway we saw this happen in Libya the moderates turned into ISIS eventually
>>51496648
They pay them. They're putting people to work who haven't worked in years. And their rebuilding roads and opening hospitals as well. The truth is that civil administration hasn't been working well in rebel cities often because there are 10 different rebel groups operating within some of these towns. ISIS has centralized administration and money to put people on salary. I'm not saying ISIS is some great philanthropical org. But they've earned support because they're returning electricity and paying people.
>>51496731
The SAA have literally the worse record out of anyone in this conflict. Easily three times as many massacres as any of the other groups, tens of thousands tortured to death and an airforce that has completely flatened every opposition neighborhood in Syria.
>>51496672
I'm not tho
>>51496738
No, they haven't. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the bulk of the local population likes ISIS. That is part of why there has been a MASSIVE population exodus from ISIS controlled territories.
>>51496600
>>51496549
>>51496567
>>51496738
You're confusing hostages for willing, relatively satisfied participants.
>>51496781
>The SAA have literally the worse record out of anyone in this conflict.
Only if you believe US government propaganda that has been proven to lie and distort to serve it's own needs.
>>51496793
>>51496818
Really this isn't new guys. Everyone has realized how different ISIS is compared to other rebel groups in civil administration since the beginning. Everyone saw ISIS was serious about coordinating civil administration since 2013. Just because you don't like to think of them like that doesn't change it. Not to mention their Zakat service as well.
But yea I'll keep posting articles saying that ISIS is taking civil administration seriously and you keep on yelling that they haven't.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/19/from-electricity-to-sewage-u-s-intelligence-says-the-islamic-state-is-fast-learning-how-to-run-a-country/
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/09/12/347748371/islamic-state-rule-municipal-services-and-public-beheadings
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/islamic-state-bread-subsidies-syria-iraq-terrorism.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-acting-like-the-permanent-government-in-ramadi-2015-7
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/world/middleeast/offering-services-isis-ensconces-itself-in-seized-territories.html
>>51496600
Beautiful! Use neutron bombs, so we can enjoy Greek Konstantinopolis.
>>51496571
I won't be able to find the link for you but there was a poll of Syria population last year and many were fond of Daesh and wished for more Islamic influence. And as I stated above, the tribal population at the border of Syria-Iraq has joined Daesh with pleasures.
Also I do not understand the intention of your question. Troll me more gently plz if that was your aim.
>>51496954
I wonder if he still was such a smartass if someone came for his neck
>>51494516
I was watching a Taliban doco and it was striking just how similar Afghanistan and Syria are.
>>51497265
especially their coastlines are very similar
>>51497265
Submitted too early
>weak regime
>rebels armed by USA under proxy war circumstances
>have the people's support at first, but quicky radicalize far beyond expectations after taking power
Don't forget that one of the reasons the Taliban got popular was killing pedoshits and helping the poor and disenfranchised. The FSA and "moderate" rebels have the same characteristics.
>>51496813
>2 years ago
Why did we doubt him?
>>51497303
Sounds like
>>51496985
>>51494634
what a load of shit, the FSA is largely ex-Syrian army
agreed that they're not good people though, people forget the amount of Islamists in their group
ITT: Pic Related
>>51497411
Feel free to enlighten us friend
>>51494546
good goyim
>>51497392
>largely ex-Syrian army
Sorry, but if you really believe this then you're an absolute idiot.
>>51497428
I don't think he knows what that is
>>51497586
FSA has been largely killed. Early on when civil war began there fuck loads of defections from Syrian Army.
>>51494516
The Northern Alliance didn't receive billions of dollars in weapons and training like Syrian Rebels
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/video-shows-isis-militants-having-friendly-chat-turkish-border-officers/ri11511?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
>>51501650
send us another jet ivan. we will test something
>>51501702
>hurrdurr jet jet jet
>>51494516
You don't need to be IS-tier to be an Islamist. Any form of Islamism=cancer.
>>51502901
AKA your entire government amk
>>51503239
Yeah.
This is a sort of ''ISIS effect''.
Namely, 90% of ''Syrian'' opposition is quite Islamist, but they aren't as insane as ISIS so now people like OP talk about moderate rebels.
What the fuck is moderate about Islamism? Why are you people so mad about Assad?
Why do you want to ruin the lives of millions of people simply because Russia supports them?
Most importantly, why the fuck are you supporting people who consider YOU to be the enemy and who want to butcher you?
You probably thought ''it will never come here'', but face the fucking reality, some Western European countries are almost 10% Muslim.
And you're still stuck in Cold War mentality where evil commies in Russia want to conquer world.
>>51494516
Shilling for them wont save them at all.
Life isnt a video game or a shilling duel on the internet in the comments section of a news outlet.
The supply line from turkey wont be reestablished by posting bullshit on the internet.
It might earn you some pocket money, but be careful not to start believing shit you shitpost while shilling, you fucking shitposting shill you.
