> say something bad about Islam
> dozens of "frenchs" and "germans" jump to defend mohammed
EVERYTIME
>sandniggers chimp out
>cumskins activate Islam Defence Force Mode
Why the fuck was I born white? Why couldn't I be a Slav?
when did the white race become such vaginas? they used to be fucking hardcore as fuck
natural cycles i suppose...
>>51481389
liberalism and peace, too dangerous combination.
>>51481191
misrepresentation always leads to trouble
islam or mohammed
Say something against Assad or Putin
Queeranians chimp out from
Under Canada/American flags
What should anyone defend Muhammad? He was a disgusting person: an illiterate pedophile who massacred thousands under his command, killed several with his own hands, and had innocents beheaded. All a result of delusions of grandeur and epileptic seizure-induced inspiration.
>>51486807
*Why should
>>51486807
M U H I N T E R P R E T A T I O N S
>>51486807
Please delete this, this forum is of no use if only lies are being told on it.
>>51486647
Only liberals dislike Putin. He's literally the savior of the white race.
>>51486807
>>51486807
t. tedora fipper
>>51486869
Do you know Europe's biggest mosque is in Mosque?
>>51486867
Lies? These are facts, my friend, assuming that their "holy" books are correct. The latter part is obviously speculation, but that's what Dostoevsky suggested.
>>51486889
He isn't wrong about any of it though Mehmet.
>>51486807
Parts of that sound p similar to the US desu
>delusions of grandeur
>massacred thousands under its command by going into bad wars
>innocents killed
>>51486807
>What should anyone defend Muhammad?
they've been taught to since they were born, just like their parents were. It's not something you can just shake off when it's the core of your culture
>>51480897
Start an anti muslim post on 9fag and you'll see that shit in motion in no time.
>>51486867
>>51486903
t. Mohammad al Bakanir van Boer
>>51486903
>mfw OP is right
>>51486923
Yes he is but if you want to be proven wrong literally go to any University website or other factual websites. But since you want to meme I will ask well
>>51486919
>Do you know Europe's biggest mosque is in Mosque
>>51487014
he meant Moscow obviously
fuck off
>>51487014
fuck
I meant Moscow
Relevant, mudslimes getting butthurt by prayer lyrics in an Anime OST:
>>134183498
>>51486807
This
politeist arabia was secular as shit and had almost no issues with different believes.
Islam is anti secular on its core, secular muslims are secular IN SPITE being muslims
That's why muslims flee from shariah paradise states into gibesmedat lands and then ask for Shariah courts and laws.
>>51487030
Obviously. It was funny still.
Fuck off faggot
>>51487041
Based mods stopping the /pol/ virus
>>51487041
>>/a/134183498
>>51487041
>>51487090
post the link
>>51487090
>>51487041
Remember, same board memearrow twice,
different board, meme arrow thrice
>>>/a/134183498
>>51481389
too much scientific/technological progress
throughout history there's a very direct correlation between scientific revolutions and degrees of pussiness.
>>51487129
Thanks for the correction. I will have pasta for dinner tonight.
>>51487009
He's right about all of it, I've read the Corrohn.
>>51487009
I heard all that stuff is true too. That is what we commonly believe about Islam in Europe.
>>51487251
>memes
Nice try but the Quran doesn't say any of what he said. Like I said go to a university or other proven site of non bias. Otherwise you're memeing
>>51487050
>politeist arabia was secular as shit and had almost no issues with different believes.
>this is what people believe
You can't name a single thing good about polyteist arabia , there were desert tribes all over the place massacing each other in daily basis , people burrying their daughters alive just because they didn't have a penis , slave population almost 10 times bigger than the free people.
Hell , the fucked up condition of the polyteist arabia is one of the biggest reasons why islam spreaded so fast
>>51487206
holy shit kek
>>51487358
>memes
>>51487377
>The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham,[11] when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.[12][13][14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza
>>51487377
>go to a liberal brainwashing institution to learn about Islam
>instead of getting your information from the Quran
You shit skins are really sneaky, eh?
>>51487377
>university
>non bias
ebin
>>51487484
>hadith
>Quran
>memes
>>51487497
>memes
>>51487525
>waaaah it doesn't agree to my world view
You sure are biased
>>51487478
Why do you care? Its what people have heard from a lot of different pundits and there is an anti religious sentiment in Europe so people are quick to trust it. Sharia law does Muslims no favors because they will flat out admit to agreeing with things that make them sound like cavemen.
>>51487608
>arguing on 4chan
>spouting memes
>>51487396
>You can't name a single thing good about polyteist arabia , there were desert tribes all over the place massacing each other in daily basis , people burrying their daughters alive just because they didn't have a penis , slave population almost 10 times bigger than the free people.
That didn't change much did it?
>>51487644
Thats all you have? Im an ex muslim are you going to kill me?
>>51487396
I suppose you're right in that context it's no wonder these people needed a barbarian prophet any other wouldn't garner their respect.
>>51487679
>making anonymous claims
>not memes
>>51487590
>memes
just hurry up and blow yourself up you disgusting shit skin
>>51487484
There are gazillons of hadiths and a lot of them are memes
>>51487806
>refuses to enlighten himself
>thinks he's intelligent
>>51487717
You are pathetic and everyone knows you are animals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59wznc5DTI
>>51487891
>resorts to name calling
>intelligent
>>51487144
now that i think about it
>>51487957
I never claimed that. I claimed you are a dirty animal.
Watching religious people argue each other. It's the best.
>say something bad about mexico
>dozens of "americans" jump to defend pablo
>>51487957
These muslims are so social and friendly among eachother, if only they acted like this towards others outside their faith. It would make things a lot easier for them plus you have the added benefit that you'll be safer from get bombed into bits.
>>51487648
That did change but the Wahhabists still exist in the vast deserts of Arabia
>>51487715
Islam was needed in Arabia , both to unite and stabilize the region.
Christianity or the Zoroastrianism couldn't get there so they just came up with a new religion themselves , which worked wonderfully well for them
>>51486807
Delete this you liar
>>51488063
Multiculturalism doesn't work senpai
>Mudslimes actually believe mohammed wasn't a war monger tyrant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
Why can't you assholes at least admit your intentions?
are there even any mudslimes in south America
maybe its the last bastion of hope on earth
>>51488125
Multiculturalism sort of gets by when there is a single large culture imposing its norms on the other smaller ones. True multiculturalism with different and equal cultures sharing the same democracy will split apart or war.
I reported our friend in the hopes the CIA might see his great .jpg
>>51488127
What does your statement prove ?
Every religious idols and every religion has went to war over to spread their religion so they would have influence over tbe region.
>>51488232
But the so-called prophet himself did all of it, and that makes all the difference. You have to perform a lot of mental gymnastics to say that Muhammad was a peaceful person--and by extension, Islam.
>>51488169
In China muslim minorities are still killing regulary and how more imposing can you get than them so there goes that theory.
>>51488010
leave my country shitskin, so you will
>>51488333
I am not really an ex muslim. Just making that shit head show his true colors.
>>51487129
this is actually ebin
>>51488367
then leave my country, shitskin sympathizer
>>51488301
Just because Jesus didn't live enough to see his idea's being spread over the world doesn't mean he wouldn't do the same as the other prophets did.
You are tunnel visioned in this subject , do not just conment on the religions or historical events by the timeline you now live in.
>>51488320
How long has China been a democracy? Also they have a boot on the neck of Muslims in China. That is what the Muslim protest there is about.
>australian and canadian flags will ALWAYS defend chinks
>>51481389
All the brave died or went to US.
Fucking mudslimes
https://streamable.com/cj4q
Now i want to kill them
>>51488411
Are you drunk? I have been giving him nothing but dogs abuse.
>>51488467
He's literally fingering a pussy.
>>51486807
OP was right, look how many replies
>>51488472
yeha im drunk
got a problem faggot
if your not a muslim stop pretendin to be
you sojnd like a fag anhway, leave my country
ill eben give ya my greencard
>>51488426
I'm not tunnel-visioned at all. The prophet advocated violence, and it's explicit throughout the texts. He was the founder of Islam, and his followers obviously viewed him as the authoritative source. Similarly, Jesus was the authoritative source of Christianity. He never killed anyone, nor did he promote killing, taking sex slaves, or beheading people. You could make a legitimate argument that the Crusaders had an incorrect interpretation of Christianity, but I do admit that the Old Testament is particularly violent. You can't do the same with Islam.
>>51488549
they messed with cats
Now they will all die
>>51488550
An "American" and a "French" and I assume a trolling Swede.
>>51488431
I agree that they got it coming, the Chinese are bastards at any rate.
I'm just pointing out imposing a culture on a large portion of your population will have its shitty consequences depending on how long they've lived there and how much they value their heritage, even if they claim to adhere to your norms they can still plot in the shadows which is what is happening in China too btw.
>>51488692
I am saying multiple cultures with a similar share of the vote will not be able to share a democratic country. I think we are agreeing?
>>51488573
>Similarly, Jesus was the authoritative source of Christianity. He never killed anyone, nor did he promote killing, taking sex slaves, or beheading people
Just as I said in my previous post , we can't just say that , we'll never know because he didn't live long enough to acquire power to rule over a certain community.
It's the same case with the Muhammad , he tended to spread his idea's peacefully at the first years his new born religion. But as all other man , once you get the power , he changed his ways to spread the religion and to earn more power to make it permanent.
People know him as he was in the first years of his new religion , later on what he did was what would any other prophet , king , sultan or even a peasant would do.
>>51488787
He never tried to rule anyone
That's the big difference
Prophets never held any power or title
Muhammad is a liar, get over it
>>51488829
fuck all jew religions
just pray to lugh snhh
>>51488787
This has got to be the most pathetic attempt at damage control I've ever seen. Fuck off mudslime t*rkroach
>>51488787
That still doesn't excuse him. Plus, we're assuming that Jesus was indeed a historical figure. There's more tangible evidence of Muhammad's actions. I'd also argue that if Jesus were ever to use violence, it would have been when the soldiers arrested him at Gethsemane. Yet, he resorted to no violence, and scolded Peter when he cut off a soldier's ear.
>>51488829
He never tried to rule because he couldn't at the first time , you never know what power does to a man. Esspecially when the man thinks he is the one to spread the god's word.
>>51488874
>can't come up with a proper post about why I am wrong
>fuck off mudslime cockroach
Uhh huh , yes.
>>51488787
I think all Jew religions should be thrown out of Europe but your argument is assumptions. You assume Jebus would turn evil like Muhammad did.
The sand niggers itt under western flags. This is what makes me wanna leave int
>>51488787
Oh and I include Islam in the Jew religions. Just in case you thought otherwise.
>>51488983
The CIA will be having a chat with him.
>>51488940
You maybe wrong , maybe right. As I said , we could never know.
Also , as a basic human being , he showed no resistance as he probably know it would be useless.
Sokrates didn't show any resistence when the Athens charged him with the death sentence , does that mean Sokrates would be a great man if he lived on ?
>>51488944
>because he couldn't
Literary messiah was supposed to liberate israel
There were numerous jewish rebels supposed to be Messiahs, and then messiah is not prophet
No jewish prophet held any government position
It was never his ambition to rule or go to war and he made it clear many times, to dissapointment of many Jews
Muhammad literary made shit up which would be disproved by any educated theologican
So he decided to kill them so they cannot reveal his lies
>>51488959
>>51488984
I know which are the semitic religions , thank you.
>>51489042
He knew they were coming and he decided to remain there so prophecy could be done
>>51488959
>>51488984
FINALLY
SOMEONE WHO AGREES THAT CHRISTIANS ARE BALLSSHITE RETARDED
youd better not be an atheist tjough
>>51486867
>>51486903
>>51486889
>>51487841
>>51488105
mad mussies detected return to your home
>>51489107
We are all atheist in Ireland now. Very xenophobic tho.
>>51489141
why is vlad a moose
>>51489152
pagan master race senpai
where u live? im from portlaose (full of niggerians and poleshits)
>>51489057
>which would be disproved by any educated theologican
If we consider Muhammad's religion as " made up shit " , we would have to consider all other semitic religions as the same.
Islam is not like a new born religion that has everything unique , it's rather a mix of the old Semitic religions.
>>51489192
Dublin. I think we should let the Poles and the western Euros in as long as they behave themselves and put the rest in camps. Nice ones. Out in the country side where is boring and then they can leave.
>>51489261
No
By "made up shit" I consider hat muhammad literary made up religion to suit his ambitions
He knew it's not true, but he lied anyway.
>>51489261
I am fine with assuming they are all all made up by people throughout the centuries in that region that had access to similar word of mouth teachings, legends and folk tales.
Then some ambitious and or crazy types managed to develop followings. The rest is history. Im fine with cultural muslims but I dont want true believers of any religion coming to Ireland.
>>51489102
What would happen if he ran away ?
Would it be like the Mohammad's Hejire , which is considered the turning point of Islam or would it be just an useless attempt to escape the fate ?
Most historians would claim the second , Muhammad and Jesus were indeed both prophets , serving the same god. But they were not equal on the grounds they grew up , raised.
Jesus were in a rather oppresive region , Muhammad were in a more free region ( because of the lack of authority and state in the region ) , Jesus didn't have that.
>>51481191
is this bait?
>>51489310
>im a dubliner
>PUT MORE SHITSKINS IN THE COUNTRYSIDE FUCK THOSE CULCHIES XDDDDD
fukin townies and fuck poles too
and knackers. they drove me out of talaghht wen i was tree and fuck 4vhan my post is not spam
>>51486919
>mosqueow
>>51489408
Yeah and you went to Switzerland.
>>51480897
Our muslims usually go full racist
>It's not islam problem, it's arab problem
We do have western tier mental gymnastics about chechens tho.
>>51489446
"thats right, thats the truth"
t. richie kavanagh
they still ruined thwt fuckin placr withtheir council housin
>>51489402
He wouldn't ran away, because he wasn't power-hungry coward
He legitimately believed what he preached, and that is main difference
Most historicans do not speculate "what if" and focus about what actually happened
Simply because "what could possibly happen" is not history.
Jesus didn't want to create his own state. It doesn't matter what would be the conditions, because he simply wouldn't do that.
>>51487377
Man the delusions these Muslims have, were you literally raped by the Quran as a child? We have the Internet now Ahmad and we all know the vile shit it says and the horrible person Muhammad was. If you weren't a horrible person yourself or had a brain of your own maybe you wouldn't take it personally?
>>51489379
He may lied , or maybe he told the truth , we would never know.
But it doesn't change the fact that his people and the region didn't need such an event to take place, bring the order to the province.
My whole point when I came here first was " Islam was good for Arabia " ,in which I think I had succeded to put up a good conversation.
>>51489382
I personally do not have any problems with whoever practising whatever religion in my country.
>>51489533
Then they should go to Turkey.
>>51487527
>had 2 holy books
>show one is evil
>LOL MEMES I SAY
>show evil of other book
>LOL OUT PF CONTEXT
you are why all Muslims should die
>>51487957
>none stop memes
>thinking he isn't both subhuman and a plague
Truly the biggest cancer in the world. Muslims are somewhere between shit and throw up.
>>51489533
Islam wasn't good. It didn't teach them to work, only to invade others and exploit them. It was objectively bad for mankind.
>>51489502
I'm sorry my friend but you're not looking it from a neutral perspective , you are insisting on the point what Jesus would do.
Only answer I said about what would Jesus do or what wouldn't do is " We may knew know ".
Because we simply can't , you may have beliefs that tell you what would he do , I respect that.
But for me the teachings of the both religions don't give the exact answer to that matter.
>>51489659
What do you know about the pre Islam Arabia?
I recommend you to read this post of mine
>>51487396
>>51489685
I'm insisting on point what Jesus did
You're the one pulling out shit "if Jesus could take power, he would did same as muhammad"
Jesus many times pointed out he was not interested in power on earth
>>51480897
Europe really seems to hate itself. I doubt they will stop feeling guilty until Muslims do to them what they did to the Americas. Then they can have their "underdog validation of self" while their entire cultural landscape gets Sharia'd.
>>51489685
Your argument is that people will do bad if given the opportunity and the incentive. I don't agree.
>>51489718
Yeah, and instead he started making slaves from non-arabs and massacring other nations
Nothing changed, he simply escalated bloodbath
>>51488787
Yes we can you deluded shit skin. Christianity had the largest developed empires in recent times, while Islam looks like Iraq and Syria. Go fuck yourself. The reason we hate you it you just won't recognize the evils of your ideology and want us to except it. The west never will agree with your shit faith and if you don't covert a new holocaust is coming. Fucking Allah cockroach.
>>51488944
Anyone will google and Wikipedia can prove you wrong, Muslims are just too deluded to hear it. Seriously you people are the worst and can't even see it, it's mind boggling
You're wrong
*Tips hijab*
*Rapes something*
*Burns flag of sweden*
*Declares holy war and makes death threats to something*
>>51489533
>Islam is good for Arabia
No. Everyone there are Arabs, the Christians ones are better and I'm a fedora. Die in fire roach
>>51489793
>>51489841
Seriously, European Moral Relativism is going to kill Western culture. Europe hates themselves, and so they will refuse to see the problems with any other culture.
>>51489748
The map lacks many of the late medieval and the early mediaval crusades
>>51489738
>>51489773
Most people would do , not all of them.
Maybe Jesus would , maybe he wouldn't.
I am just point out the uncertainty
>>51489784
He did as every other ruler of those times did.
I would suggest you to stop considering Muhammad as only a prophet
>>51489909
true
>>51489871
*tips bare feet*
>>51489909
No. We love money so we will go to the brink chasing that. Then the Germans will most likely slip their leash and go rabid again.
>>51489910
Comparing uncertainty to the supposed history of Muhammad's conquests bla bla bla which is accepted as violent does not make Islam come away looking morally equal or favorable.
>>51489910
>maybe jesus would
He many times said he wouldn't do so
He many times said he is not supposed to fight and create his own state, but to liberate people from sin
Muhammad was a ruler which made up his own religion to suit his power
Big difference
>>51489793
The nations of the west started devoloping after they realised the corruptness of the Church , they weren't die hard Christians during the Renaissance
>>51489841
You are not even stating a relevant point here , just referring to some other sources and saying I am wrong.
I may be wrong , maybe not. There is no way to know that.
>>51489908
>christianity in Arabia
Yeah it didn't worked out well there did it.
>>51489910
Saying people shouldn't have done it then and that they were evil is dumb. That was the way of the world. Of course saying its okay to follow a moral code from a savage time is also not that smart.
>>51489910
Dude, you guys laid siege to Vienna and enslaved Greece, the Balkans, and Byzantium. That post is just there to emphasise that historically, Muslim advances into Europe far outdid the opposite.
>>51489950
Man, I hope so. It feels like everything I like about Europe is something most of them regret...
>>51490021
>The nations of the west started devoloping after they realised the corruptness of the Church , they weren't die hard Christians during the Renaissance
oh man,
>>51489992
Islam is not what Mohammad's conquests or his behavior when a ruler is.
>>51490010
>He many times said he wouldn't do so
And ? Does that magically proves we wouldn't do so if the needs were met ?
>>51489928
*tippity toes manlets when will they learn*
>>51490117
learn to speak English
>>51490117
That sentence doesn't make any sense I am afraid. Mostly your English is good but sometime its not.
>>51490117
Waitwaitwait
>Islam is not what Mohammad's conquests or his behavior when a ruler
Then why bother worshipping the guy?
>>51490048
Does conquest of Turks , or any other muslim nation represent the idols of Islam for you?
They were more of a lust for power
>>51490117
People declared him king
By that time Judea was ruled by Tetrarchy, it wouldn't be hard to replace one of Herods
He refused that, and remained a trawelling teacher, he didn't even try to own any property
This proves he had no interest in earthly power
His deeds always stayed with his teaching, while Muhammad always adopted his teaching to his deeds
>>51490087
Everything bad about Europe is because most people like the status quo so they want no violence or change. Also we are young men so our instinct is to act. Acting is better than doing nothing. That is how I always feel.
Sometimes problems go away on their own. When Muslims have other Muslims as their biggest problems and they see us just going to work every day they will start to think like us. Of course if we let too many of them in there will be problems.
>>51490147
>>51490168
>>51490172
Pardon my tiredness.
I mean that Mohammad's actions during his rule of a country does not represent the idols and beliefs of Islam
>>51490195
Well...yeah. Just like the conquest of the Americas represent Christianity, The conquests of the Soviets represent Communism, and the conquests of the Aztec represent...their...thing.
Belief without action isn't true belief. It is what we do that defines us.
>>51490273
If even mohammad himself didnt obey his law and beliefs, how can anyone claim Islam is anything more than a lie?
>>51490273
>Mohammad's actions during his rule of a country does not represent the idols and beliefs of Islam
>literally second-guessing the prophet
munafiq detected
>>51490172
Also , Muslims do not worship Mohammad as Christians worship Jesus. He is considered as just a man , charged to spread the world of God.
He is not authorised to create any beliefs by himself
>>51490310
The difference is that Jesus never had an army.
>>51490246
True that. See any hope for Europe? I mean, its people? Or should we just accept that all people are the same, and anyone who happens to live in Europe is European regardless of race, creed, culture, language, or background?
Which would effectively kill Europe.
>>51490364
Difference is, Jesus never intended to create Christianity.
>>51490240
He was aware of the potentiality he had but he also knew the harm it would bring. He was a holy man dedicated to spread the word of God but he was also just a " man ".
>>51490273
I am very tired myself. I am working nights.
Surely he lived and commanded by the laws of his god?
>>51490396
Its only Germany France and the UK that have significant non European populations and they are all around the 10-20% non European mark. Europe will be Europe for a while yet.
>>51490357
Dude...the literal founder of the religion will cast a long shadow over anything that religion claims to stand for. Why else do a billion people have Mohammed in their names? Why else can't you show graven images? Why go to Mecca? If the man doesn't matter, as you say, well...
Why not become Jewish?
>>51490364
True, true. Sorry, I should have specified. The Church?
>>51490310
All the examples you gave represents the lust of power by the one who has done it.
>>51490354
>>51490334
Mohammad is no more than a simple man , Quran says. He is not to be worshipped or followed as he was a God King
>>51490405
True
>>51490425
I'm not going to bother arguing about whenever Jesus was prophet or son of god
Still, Jesus as you said didn't want harm. Muhammad didn't care, he wanted power and he was ready to harm anyone on his way.
>>51486807
This
All these ass mad third worlders holy shit !!!
>>51490481
>mohammad in their names
Mohammad was a name before Islam , people may just name their child just because they like the man.
>graven images
Painting or the descriptions of the Muhammad was banned by himself. Some say he did that so that people wouldn't worship him as Christians worship Jesus. Or maybe he was just ugly , I don't know.
>why go to mecca
Hajj and Muhammad are two seperate things , the idea of visiting the Kabe and praying was existant before most of semitic religions.
>>51490515
Why is Mohammed the most common name on Earth? Why is his birthplace worshipped? Why can't you show his image?
Islam began with violence and never stopped.
>>51488451
>All the brave died or went to US.
You're talking about European Jewry, right?
>>51490665
Oh sorry, I didn't see your reply.
Sorry if I am being rude. Thanks for the reply.
Human nature is human nature, and it is present in the beginnings of most movements. The first 200 years of Islam saw it conquer, convert, and lay claim to millions of souls.
How would that not in some way affect the teachings of the faith?
>>51490515
>Mohammad is no more than a simple man , Quran says. He is not to be worshipped or followed as he was a God King
Yet trying to rule things differently than he did is considered bad bidah to the majority of Sunnis
>>51490515
>Mohammad is no more than a simple man
No, he was the perfect man
>Quran says
Then Quran and Hadith disagree
>>51490796
Because the true teachings of the faith are not what most Islamic rulers did.
If I were to pick an Islamic state to represent the idols of Islam , the closest one to be completely true would be the Abbasid Sultanate.
Still it is not %100 true symbol of the teachings of the faith
>>51490954
" Eşhedü en la ilahe illallah ve eşhedü enne Muhammeden abdühü ve resulühü"
"I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad (pbuh) is the servant and Messenger of Allah."
I don't read anyhing along these lines that declare Muhammad as a man to be worshipped or a god king , otherwise it states that Muhammad was just a servant of the god , just like any other true muslim
>>51491101
blame the Shia/Sufi for that
they have this idea that he was not only the vessel for the word of Allah, but also a kind of "universal pivot" with divine power direct from God in order to reform and shift the world towards God's will.
they also believe that the current Imam/saints are literally equal to Muhammad in terms of them also being universal pivots and containing divine power/authority in equal measure.
>>51491101
That...feels like a cop out. By that logic, no church of any religion will represent the true message. People will be people, beliefs cannot avoid that. Otherwise we will just "No True Scotsman" for all eternity.
Jesus, for better or worse, is tainted by the actions of his followers. By people.
Islam was spread by the sword of its greatest prophet. How can it not be violent?
Free will is an important part of Christianity - man is free to accept or reject salvation. Islam does not have such a belief - it says "Do what the Koran says or...we'll kill you."
>>51491666
SATAN HAS SPOKEN. EVEN THE DEVIL REJECTS MAHOMET AND HIS FOLLOWERS!
>>51491666
technically it is in Islam as well, and they have a stronger sense of equality
the real issue is that Islam is so tied up with the state and law, to follow the law is to be a good Muslim, but also breaking the law is also a sin against God/
Its very communistic in this regard, while Christianity is far more ad-hoc and open, though the protestant churches are often far more egalitarian than the Catholic or Orthodox ones.
>>51492012
>technically it is in Islam as well, and they have a stronger sense of equality
That's probably just because Islam is a more uniform religion with no major sects or denominations other than Shiites who are a majority in only one country. But then this has just as much to do with the more ad-hoc nature of Christianity that you mentioned.
>>51491666
>"Do what the Koran says or...we'll kill you."
Donde? Verse por favor
Consider that there are no developed first world nations that are majority Muslim.
>>51481389
I blame the liberal media, and the glorification of ignorance.
>>51480897
> say something bad about Islam
shutup favila scum
>>51491666
>Free will is an important part of Christianity - man is free to accept or reject salvation. Islam does not have such a belief - it says "Do what the Koran says or...we'll kill you."
that's such fucking bullshit, that's literally what's in the Qur'an and not christianity
>Muslim world
1400 years later, multiple religions still exist
>"christian" world
Literally crusaded the fuck out of any native religion left, forced conversion of all native europeans and americans
>Islam
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
- Qur'an 2:256
>Christianity
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…
-Matthew 10:34
How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
-Psalm 137:9
>>51492952
daily reminder
>>51486919
It's only big because Moscow only has 4 mosques lol
>>51490515
>Mohammad is no more than a simple man , Quran says. He is not to be worshipped or followed as he was a God King
Wrong. Sayyedna Muhammad, blessing and prayers upon him and his family is the perfect man and he is to be emulated in every way possible. The final emissary and testament of God.
>inb4 pedowife
Aisha was not 9, this was only recorded in bukhari, records a century earlier indicate her age was 17-19. But someone wanted a young wife so they followed that interptation
And he didn't have any slaves, Islam is meant to combat slavery, every verse about slavery in the Qur'an is aimed at freeing people from the bounds of slavery but people used it as justification for enslaving more people. By their logic just cause the Qur'an mentions fighting against poverty and helping orphans people ought to help create them.
>he has million wives!
Most of his wives were widowed and elderly, they were used for political union as Arabs only respected marriages. And compared to the spirit of the time, he was modest. Had he wanted every virgin wife to be deflowered by him he would have commanded it and he would have been obeyed.
>>51491221
>blame the Shia/Sufi for that
>they have this idea that he was not only the vessel for the word of Allah, but also a kind of "universal pivot" with divine power direct from God in order to reform and shift the world towards God's will.
if you're going to secularize Islam, you might as well be an atheist.
>>51493156
>And he didn't have any slaves, Islam is meant to combat slavery, every verse about slavery in the Qur'an is aimed at freeing people from the bounds of slavery but people used it as justification for enslaving more people. By their logic just cause the Qur'an mentions fighting against poverty and helping orphans people ought to help create them.
The Koran says you may not keep a fellow Muslim as a slave, but infidels are fair game.
>>51493429
>The Koran says you may not keep a fellow Muslim as a slave, but infidels are fair game.
No the Qur'an NEVER states ANYTHING about taking slaves.
Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in God, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveller, the beggars, and to free the slaves... [2:177]
The charities are to go to the poor, and the needy, and those who work to collect them, and those whose hearts have been united, and to free the slaves, and those in debt, and in the cause of God, and the traveller. A duty from God, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise. [9:60]
The only method mentioned in The Quran for gaining captives (more correctly termed 'prisoners of war', not slaves) is during warfare, after which they must be released or ransomed. Keeping them is not an option:
Therefore, if you encounter those who deny the truth (in warfare), then bring about the captives until when you have subdued/overcome them, then strengthen the bind. Then after either grace/favour or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. That, and had God willed, surely He would have gained victory Himself from them, but He tests some of you with others. And those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste. [47:4]
>>51493429
In hadith
‘Ammar perfumed the necklace with musk and sent it to the Holy Prophet (saww) with a slave whom he had purchased with the booty he received from Khyber, saying, “Give this necklace to the Messenger of Allah and tell him that I gift you to him too”. When the slave delivered the necklace and the message, the Holy Prophet (saww) said to him, “Take this necklace to Fatimah and I gift you to her”. When the slave came to Fatimah (a.s.), she took her necklace back and set the slave free. When the slave was set free, he laughed loudly. Fatimah (a.s.) asked for the purpose of laughing and he said, “I laughed when I thought of the abundance of goodness in this necklace. It fed a hungry man; it clothed a naked man; satisfied a poor man; freed a slave; and came back to its original owner”
Why do you think Saladin didn't behead or enslave prisoners of war? it's cause in Islam you're not supposed to even kill the captured soldier that killed your relatives. The prophet's uncle was killed by a slave and he didn't punish him for it. He didn't punish the owner that cut his uncle open and eat his liver (to show spite) either. (look up Hamza)
>>51493573
Yet even in modern times muslims keep slaves. In fact an Arab run country in Africa was the last to country to make slavery illegal and even now it is unenforced
>>51494739
>Yet even in modern times muslims keep slaves. In fact an Arab run country in Africa was the last to country to make slavery illegal and even now it is unenforced
and modern christian priests have sex with little boys, but you don't see me saying that's what christianity is all about.
It's a matter of historical fact that the prophet never kept any slaves, his companions and grandsons spent most of their wealth specifically for freeing slaves.
>>51494851
Glad that you brought up another muslim tradition. Fucking little boys. It is commonly seen all over the muslim world as something that you can indulge in when you are horny because you can't interact with women
>>51494929
homosex is also forbidden in Islam, despite your fantasies. It's a continuation of ancient persian and greek traditions.
>>51494974
No it's just muslim hypocrisy while trying to look pious
>>51494974
Muh religion of peace :^)
>>51486647
M-muh poor isis terrorists
>>51495153
Sauce of this?
>>51495080
>No it's just muslim hypocrisy while trying to look pious
I just said it's forbidden. I feel sorry for you.
>>51495153
Yes, and Christianity is about raping and slavery.
The current state of the Muslim world is because of backwards teachings of the Saudis, which promote a fundamentally WRONG interpretation of Islam (main thinker was executed for heresy), developed to give the first Ibn Saud an excuse to rape and pillage other tribes.
>>51495265
Sorry I don't have it and I can't find it on google
>>51495320
Iran is a shithole too and they're not even affected by Saudi ideologies.
>>51495328
see who's the commander at the right side. The current half crazy interpretation the wahabis are preaching isn't fundamentalism, or literalism it's revisionism.
Every single muslim on earth should be converted, and if they refuse, killed.
>>51495402
>Iran is a shithole too and they're not even affected by Saudi ideologies.
Iran is the shia version of saudi arabia. Their twelver teachings are just as extreme as the wahhabbis an they both arose at the same time. Infact, the man that brought Shiism to iran (shah Ismael) killed over a million in the process.
>>51495419
>Every single muslim on earth should be converted, and if they refuse, killed.
you shouldn't say that when your ancestors were Muslim m9
>>51495469
My ancestors were christians and pagans, but thanks for proving yet again that muslims are all completely delusional
>>51495528
>My ancestors were christians and pagans
ok
>>51495403
>>51495469
Honestly I would be fine with you cunts if you stayed in your countries and stopped flooding mine, bothering us with your shitty restrictive religion all the time
>>51495560
You're seriously so deluded that you think the mongols are our ancestors? Maybe you should pick up a book once in your life that wasn't the Shit'ran
>>51495567
>Honestly I would be fine with you cunts if you stayed in your countries and stopped flooding mine, bothering us with your shitty restrictive religion all the time
you reap what you sow
>>51495602
Our only mistake was trying to civilize you subhumans instead of simply genocide and use eugenics to breed you out
>>51495602
You imply that muslims didn't strike first in the 600's
>>51495591
take it easy, mongke
>>51495636
>Our only mistake was trying to civilize you subhumans instead of simply genocide and use eugenics to breed you out
you sound upset, m8
>>51495656
>You imply that muslims didn't strike first in the 600's
actually the romans and saddanids wanted to take a city that recently converted to Islam cause it was on a trade route between persia and byzantium, and that led to a total war.
>>51495689
Is this what they teach you sand monkeys
>>51495689
I am, your kind is ruining something that used to be great
>>51495602
>say the American
It's hypocrite and you know it.
>>51495689
Don't worry, your kind is getting what it deserves (bombs) right as we speak, also
>implying the byzantines and sassanids didn't share a border
you have absolutely no idea about history, do you?
>>51490405
I think that he never intended make it a separate religion. It's arguable whether he'd want his form of Judaism to be different than what Christianity became however. There are a lot pagan elements to the religion
>>51495738
C'est un bicot
>>51495740
>you have absolutely no idea about history, do you?
He is American, do you honestly expect him to know anything other than what his greatest ally tells him?
>>51495689
>>51495717
>>51495740
I'm sorry history is offensive to you, buddy. Here are the people I was talking to you about.
The Ghassanids and lakhimids converted and imposed taxes on trade caravans, which led to wars with byzantium and sassanids. If you think the Muslims are the ones that wanted to go to war with the two strongest empires on the planet at the same time literally less than a decade after they had their own state you're silly.
>>51495721
but you weren't so great m8. Just read Sartre and see how much good you were doing the colonised.
>>51495787
woops the map showing
>>51495781
He is a muslim shit
>>51495787
>ghassanids
>lakhmids
>between the sassanids and byzantines
In what fucking world is the arabian peninsula between mesopotamia and anatolia?
>>51495787
I wasn't talking about your shithole of a country of origin when I said great
>>51495826
see >>51495807
>>51495839
I was saying you were never great. You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension, buddy
Islam will literally solve all your problems
>>51495882
>implying I need to look at your pictures to know where the ghassanids and lakhmids resided
Pick up a dictionary in addition to those history books while you're at it.
>>51495882
lol k
>>51495910
>implying I need to look at your pictures to know where the ghassanids and lakhmids resided
you apparently do, you angry little genghis
>>51495942
Are you blind? They were both on the arabian peninsula, and neither of them were "between" the byzantines and sassanids. You can also keep calling me genghis all you want, all it does it feed your delusions.
>>51495983
>Are you blind? They were both on the arabian peninsula, and neither of them were "between" the byzantines and sassanids
I thought fingolians had good education
>>51496107
>posting more stuff to prove me right
thanks for complementing my education, yours could use some improvement though
>>51496141
>thanks for complementing my education, yours could use some improvement though
stop trolling you damn mongol!
>>51496164
Sure, I'll go throw some more molotovs on your children ;^)
>>51496193
as long as you're not drinking
>>51496252
of course we are, gotta enjoy the barbeque. but since you apparently ran out of arguments regarding your previous claims I see no reason to continue talking to a soon to be dead partalapsi
>>51496326
>of course we are, gotta enjoy the barbeque. but since you apparently ran out of arguments regarding your previous claims I see no reason to continue talking to a soon to be dead partalapsi
perhaps you need to pry open those mongolian eyes, little friend. As the map shows the ghassanids and lakhmids were bordering the romans ,persians \_/
