Study this, bois.
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>>2292109
>>2321525
>posting after one reply
the picture is generic garbage, so is this thread
>>2321542
wtf can someone post a good study, this is fucking stupid.
>>2321525
I'll dump what I have
>>2321525
>>2321546
let's go.
>>2321551
>>2321554
garbage OP image and I hope he's ashamed, but I thank the other anons posting alternatives.
>>2321560
those are even MORE generic, please stop spamming with refs, start drawing already.
>>2321555
>>2321563
That was the only thing I posted, and OP's is considerably worse.
>>2321565
>>2321563
>please stop spamming with refs
Are you talking about me?
>>2321560
bad drapery tho
>>2321568
>>2321538
>>2321525
>>2321579
>>2321582
>>2321583
Would be honored if someone would draw me.
>>2321584
thread needed more unnecessarily HD stuff.
>>2321585
please nobody do it, its like a request of sorts, which is against the rules.
>>2321587
Guess I should read the sticky. :P
You could just pretend that is was an interesting subject with fabulous hair.
>>2321591
It's not really a request as there are no specific parameters for the end product. Artistic liscense has been granted with implied impunity Proceed.
>>2321598
Heh, you're right I guess. I'm just more curious than anything else.
>>2321525
This bitch is hot. I'll draw her.
Long time since I drew, it's nice to go back to it
>>2321759
accurate
>>2321759
That teeth
>>2321959
those*
i fucked up, where did i go wrong?
>>2322000
everywhere.
>>2321572
degas fucked his fair share of young ballet girls
>>2321525
pictures you want to fap do not make them decent references pictures
>>2322000
Observe the negative space and draw it draw the silhouette.
>>2321565
Sooo hot
>>2321525
The photo is too close to the girl. You can almost directly feel the lens distortion of such a close up image. It's going to hurt the composition a lot. Anyone can see the drawing based on this photo is from a photo.
>>2322031
Fag
>>2321552
I tried
>>2322000
you're missing the tilt of the shoulders, mostly! there's a fairly clear C curve on her body, but you've got her goin straight up and down, which is why she looks petrified. she's also leaning back a bit, which you didn't quite get. something to look into: if you draw a line from her raised shoulder down to her pelvis, the shoulder, breast and hip all line up fairly well. for them to line up on your drawing, the line would look more like a / ! i exaggerated the tilt of the shoulders and hips in my drawing, but a good general way to start out most figure drawings is by defining the relationship between those two axis.
also, i don't see a whole lot of under drawing on your study! though it could just be covered up by the tone. it's important to draw through the forms when you're just starting out to get a good feel for how the human body is actually made and how each part fits together-- don't just copy the contours!
>>2322048
I like this
>>2322050
Not the anon you're critiquing, but this has such great weight and gesture. I have problems doing non-gestural studies of the human body because I'm unsure of pushing shapes since it'll won't be a 1:1 copy of the contours. Is it better to go for fluidity/gesture instead of accuracy, even for very realistic and rendered out pieces?
>>2322069
not the anon you question, but here is my take on it:
not copy counter and try to make a 1 to 1 copy, but
1) look at what each part of the body is doing in relation to the others, and
2) try to keep simple proportions (this is twice bigger than this, this is about 405 smaller than this)
in conclusion, look at each part of the body and think like a 5 year old
>>2322008
The lucky fuck.
>>2322048
I like your thinking. "maybe if I draw a thousand fucking lines everywhere some of them might be right."
>>2321572
hnng
>>2321525
This girl is pretty hot desu.
>>2321560
I know I wussed out on the hard parts, but I wanted to get critiques on my figure drawing before sinking anymore time into this. Any tips for getting not-shitty blacks? feels like the paper won't hold anymore
Quick, give me cute fat bird refs!
>>2322182
Found this on Tumblr.
Have fun, bby.
>>2322048
The neck is a bit too thin.
Other than that, nice job, anon.
>>2321550
>>2322178
No rendering on this one. Critiques welcome!
>>2322244
>chickenscratch
>poor o no construction at all
>seems rushed
Read the sticky. Work on your fundamentals.
>>2321585
Something I whipped together for ya bud
>>2321550
thank you based anon
>>2321585
If you hadn't said it was you, I'm pretty sure more people would want to draw this.
>>2322253
Thanks for the reply. The chicken scratch and rushing are definitely true, but I'm honestly surprised to hear that the construction is poor or non-existent. I went through the whole gesture/chest and pelvis boxes etc. What signs should I be looking for to see if I've made a mistake in my construction?
>>2322267
You will realize this soon, from now on I suggest that you take a break from studying photos and start drawing some basic shapes, actually, it will be good if you work on your perspective too.
If you draw basic shapes and work on your perspective, usually you can practice both together.
Baby steps will lead where you're aiming for so no need to rush anything
Here: drawabox.com/lesson/1
Follow whatever this website is telling you, do these exercises and you will improve
Good luck
>>2321552
>tfw you wake up from a trance and realize you have no idea what you're doing anymore
Should I bother continuing? I think I got the proportions or something messed up.
>>2322282
Well screw me now that I look at the thumbnails it's all fucked up.
>>2321572
New fetish acquired.
>>2321572
Holy crap, who made this? This legit giving me a boner.
>>2321552
Lol
>>2321550
I tried.
>>2322392
This is just me, but instead of using circles, use squares. It helps greatly with blocking out the form better. No pun intended.
>>2322395
thanks!
>>2322395
Cube master race!
>>2321525
She's got a great bod but her face kills it for me.
>>2322182
>>2321552
I just can't finish this shit...studies are no fun man.
>>2321550
can't figure out how to get the face likeness
>>2321525
I don't think you faggots understand what a study is.
>>2322423
kek
>>2321552
Something is really off but i don't know what
>>2322423
you are too close to not finishing it.
c'mon, just a coffee cup and you should be able to finish it.
>>2322425
I'm glad you exist
>>2321550
Someone help. Point me to the light.
>>2321525
I really thought that was egoraptor for a second
>>2322048
Pretty good. Try refining the contour strokes from here, into one solid finalized line
>>2322423
>Well all make it
>>2321542
>>2322469
blog?
>>2321552
Critique?
>>2322392
blog?
>>2322354
blog?
>>2322000
definitely NOT in those dubtrips ;) keep up the good work man
>>2322257
blog?
>>2322423
Photo paintover. Disgusting.
>>2322760
umm I really did that from scratch man, it makes me proud to hear that but it also undermines all the fucking work I put into that. just put them on each other and you'll see it's not the same at all.
>>2322573
Stop symbol drawing
>>2321552
Do your worst /ic/
>>2322842
I think it's obviously different, the gradual change makes it seem a lot more similar then it is. now why the hell would I trace a freaking study when i'm trying to learn ? I already posted this on the old study thread in which the ref was the op pic, so a lot of people already saw this. I also post my blog pretty frequently on the tumblr threads, so I'm not "implying" that I just did it.
>had it unfinished, picked it back up, STILL bores me to death, can't finish it.
a lot of people responded to my last post, so I didnd' feel the need to explain that it's from an other thread from 3monhs ago yada yada. I'm implying anything anywhere.
I'm flattered I guess ?
>>2322575
>>2322576
>>2322841
>chickenscratching
>symbol drawing
>more uncontrolled lines = shadows (?)
that's disgusting mayne, read the sticky and try to observe the original before you even think about picking up your pen
as a warm up you could just draw the basic shape/contour, without any details, like the eyes or the beard
that way you can see if you're at least able to reproduce the basic model
My shit always ends up looking to anime imo
>>2321550
derp
>>2322911
Don't be scum. Rotate and crop please.
>>2322933
try to feel the forms more. The breasts are laying on a curved surface, but your study feels pretty flat. Try to see/feel the hidden lines (the gentle curve between the nips, the long flow of energy from top to bottom, the stretch backwards in the hips, etc). Good stuff, keep pushing m8
>>2322774
>just put them on each other and you'll see it's not the same at all.
So you made sure they would be different enough when put on top of each other? Interesting.
>>2323004
fuck off with this shit
>>2323078
blog?
>>2323078
blog
>>2322776
how? :(
>>2323004
Omg ur so good ^^ Do you have a tumblr? :P
>>2321552
Too lazy to finish, wasted a lot of time in that eye and still don't look good...
at the right it's the sketch i did myself, no sketch-over.
>>2321552
it was fun
>>2322423
Can you explain your painting process?
>>2322861
try not to take it too hard.
usually here on /ic/ when there is good artwork, people tend to assume its traced.
>>2323127
Here is another study i did, her eyes are also weird and she looks kinda derp, my poor CRJ...
like always, tear me apart
>>2321552
>>23215525
bleh
>>2323138
Hi m8, do you colour pick or do it by eye? its so challenging for me, i can get a general idea of value, but I always end up with a hue thats not right or go too dark/light.
>>2324110
I tried doing it by the eye, failed miserably, so i did color pick, then i tried to match other (of her eye) values myself.
>>2322573
>symbol drawing
>bold outlines
>forced aimless and ineffective crosshatching
Mike stop being a sonichu autist and learn how to draw if you are spending all this time on it.
>>2324156
Not that anon and this is a newbie question but... What is symbol drawing? Wanna make sure it's something I'm not doing since it seems to be bad?
>>2322984
Someone is better than you and you take it personally. That is a sign of an unhealthy ego.
>>2321525
>>2324169
>>2324172
this is driving me crazy, i can't get it right. trying to paint it right now.
>>2321552
Could still work on it but its 4 am and im callin it done.
>>2323129
I really can't describe it very well as I'm inexperience and some people actually told me the method was completely wrong. Started with lines which are my forte so that was easy, then literally just painted the white/grayish base and painted/blended (on manga studio 5) the darker parts, one by one, I put in almost an hour just for the right upper side I remember, could not move on until I had it perfectly like I wanted it.
>>2323136
yeah you're right, he deleted it, so I guess he realised it didn't make sense after posting and seeing it.
>>2324172
Nice. I like it.
>>2324173
can't shake the feeling that i'm painting wrong
>>2321563
>generic
It's not even a matter of generic, OP's image is just not a good image for studying
>>2324431
I think it's probably the mouth.
>>2324470
That's just your excuse to stay in your comfort zone.
>>2324471
No it's the proportion of the entire face
>>2324431
Stylistically it's cool. Mostly the issue is that her features are painted smaller and fill up less of her face than in the picture. The brows are closer together in the picture they are also lower and closer to the lid. The nose is painted smaller in width in the bridge and in the sides of the nostril and a little higher than it should be compared to the mouth. The mouth is painted too small in overall width. The teeth are over emphasized in height which dwarfs the fullness of her lips. The lips are also painted the same width when she has a fuller bottom lip. For size reference, the gap in which you see her teeth is almost equal to the width in the center of her bottom lip.
>>2324482
>Heavily distorted perspective
>Selfie (purposely obfuscated light source obscuring blemishes, structure and form whilst accentuating basic facial features)
This is hardly better than an exercise in photocopying
>comfort zone
>>2324431
Too dark complexion, and re-do the mouth.
>>2321550
any suggestions how to improve linework to have weight? do you typically shoot for movement and gesture or do you figure out proportions and then draw over on another layer?
>>2324583
well for starters try to draw one confident line line and not repeating it, otherwise it cause what is called "chicken scratches".
other than that, i think it's all about practice and correct grip of your tool
>>2324591
yeah, i tend to have a pretty consistent grip/pressure on my pen so not much line weight
>>2324156
Who's Mike
>>2324591
what he's doing isn't chicken scratching, not saying he can't benefit from the rest that you said
>>2324736
>Mike
Cock
>>2322000
The head is too rectangular, try rounding it more. So is everything else, your proportions are off.
>>2322841
Looks like you already did
>>2324772
Nigga what
>>2323138
heeehheh
thought it was cum dripping down her cheek from the thumbnail
FUCK.
What was the best approach for figure drawing again?
>>2325043
blog?
>>2325063
Is that sarcasm?
>>2325076
is it hard to tell?
>>2325102
http://sakimichan.tumblr.com/
>>2324986
lol, how did you even see that?
>>2325126
with the eyes
>>2325124
Am i the only one who thinks sakimichan isn't a big deal? Plus i think that her Patreon could be taken down for copyright infringement.
>>2325130
haha
>>2324160
I think the link on the sticky says that it's "drawing what you think something looks like, instead of what it actually looks like"
I don't really completely understand that explanation though, I'd appreciate it if someone could spoonfeed me like the retard I am and explain it more in depth.
>>2325213
The brain stores information as quick symbols to compress information for easy storage. So, instead of remembering every detail of the object/person, you remember a "symbol" of it. A stick figure is a good example of a symbol of a human being.
When you try and draw though, the brain tries to make your subject into a symbol by simplifying it when you draw, an calls upon memories and previously made symbols in your brain to serve as a reference for the subject. This conflicts with what you actually percieve and see by focusing on surface detail and simplification of the overall structure of what it is you are drawing. This is obviously unlearned through discipline, practice and observation.
Therefore, symbol drawing is a drawing not based in technical study or what you see, but a simplification and distortion of the information you process. Tl:Dr a shitty drawing
>>2325255
blog?
>>2325258
vivsart.tumblr.com
>>2325258
You aren't funny. Stop trying to force it
>>2325264
too late
>>2322244
Aight what the other anon is getting essentially is that you're not drawing with form - you're drawing shapes, in the 2D plane rather then the 3D.
Your construction is entirely 2D, not 3D, that's why your construction is deemed poor. Without an understanding of the 3D construction, you lack the fundamentals to create a drawing that is supposed to be in a 3D space. So yeah, go use drawabox and finish the anatomy lessons .
>>2325264
I 100% agree, anon. I hate these unfunny shitposters too.
Do you have a blog btw?
>>2321542
i gave up with the fucking hair
>>2325515
Nice sss and bokeh light brush
>>2321550
Atleast I tried.
Thanks /ic/ for study thread.
>>2325581
Don't paint skin in the same hue.
>>2325515
It looks like the kid is wearing lipstick. Its too saturated and is naturally drawing attention because of it.
>>2323105
are you still around
i cant be arsed to explain how to avoid symbol drawing if no ones around to give a shit
>>2321572
http://www.jyoung-studio.com/voluptasism.htm
>>2325778
study this instead
>>2325973
oops uploaded the small version
>>2325974
>that one small breast
>>2326021
All women have a slightly smaller breast, but that must be some perspective mindgames
>>2325974
I could fap to this.
>>2322425
thank god someone here is decent, although that one front leg kind of looks stiff to me desu
>>2325974
sauce? girl on right looks familiar.
>>2321759
This is a pretty good gesture
>>2326605
anri something. she does porn
>>2325671
No but I am and I wanna hear
>>2325671
I'm back. I didn't notice that you replied. Still willin'?
here's mine. don't feel like coloring it because im terrible with color. barely know how to use photoshop
>>2326679
anri okita.
>>2321550
>>2326848
look at your negative space, the arm clearly overlaps with the body making that white space isolated
>>2321552
I'm getting better at construction but I can't into values
>>2321552
>>2328024
Your values are rather off, look at the ref and squint and then look at yours and squint.
I'm still a long way off, but I'm getting there
>>2326848
fug this is bad. Why don't you look at your drawing and see that it isn't right before you post?
>>2326848
stop making your lines like chicken scratches
>>2328140
theres still something off about it, but I can't figure out what
>>2328140
Flip your drawing before posting. Head seems a bit small. Stop making all your lines so hairy, it looks ugly.
>>2321552
>>2330479
aaah shit
I always draw the head to big
>>2330479
Don't be so shy with the darks. Your lines need the most work. Try to lay them down more confidently.
>>2330618
work on your observation skills. Look for the relationship and angles between things (bottom of the breasts, angle of her left leg, and the head tilt, important ones to get down). Practice gestures and do some long figure studies where you really focus on observing and capturing the angles.
>>2321550
>45 minutes on this
I really have to git faster, lads.
>>2322955
Kinda reminds me of this anon's stuff, I suppose you're not him?
>>2330723
I think her calf is too fat.
>>2321550
I need help with the drawing, it looks all off but I dont know exactly what is off. (I know I shouldnt have started painting before getting the drawing right)
>>2330725
Smudgetacular
Rate me pls. Charcoal on newsprint.
>>2330830
saright
>>2321550
15-20ish
Critiques and or thoughts?
>>2330856
>>2325618
what does that mean?
>>2330858
Watch your proportions. Head is too small, neck too short, legs are oversized, etc. Mark your landmarks and measure distances between them using whatever distance unit on the figure is convenient (head height, shoulder width, etc - whatever works).
Pay attention to the C bend of the torso, and notice how the back leg follows that rhythm. Exaggerate the gesture.
>>2330798
First off, your figure is leaning. Do a quick rotation to get that sorted out first.
Your figure is a lot stiffer than the ref. Notice the counterbalance between the shoulder tilt and the pelvis tilt. You should also mind the C bend of the torso - in the ref we're seeing the underside of the ribcage and the top of the pelvis. Carry the gesture of the torso and extend it out for the back leg, which follows the same.
For your starting values, reduce everything down into two distinct values and nothing more: one for the lights and one for the shadows. There's a good amount of variation within each, but you want the divide between light and shadow as clear as possible early on.
For all of your starting shapes (both the figure's form and the shadow mapping) try to use straight line segments and no curves. Easier to judge spatial relationships that way. Once everything's good, you can go back and soften sharp corners into curves where needed.
>>2330830
Proportions are a little off, as is the gesture of the neck. I would have opted to match the background with the ref so that it's easier to judge your values. You've gone too dark in some places, especially the eyes. Feels a little symbolic in that you are no longer accurately depicting the forms there. In that same line of thought you've also made the whites of the eyes too bright. Squint at the ref and try to use the actual values that are there instead of altering them
can we also post studies of things that weren't posted in this thread
>>2330940
ref
>>2324156
I'll agree with the rest, but what's wrong with bold outlines?
>>2331022
Bold outlines aren't inherently bad, but fairly worthless for a study. They're just for stylistic purposes, right? Just to make something look good. If you're using them in a study, you're probably just trying to cover up other faults.
>>2321550
critique pls. shoulders feel weird and face likeness is off :^(
>>2331063
resize
First time trying a painting like this, can't seem to nail down the shadows and the hair is very unfinished and the jaw is too round at the bottom...
It's not very good but I feel like I've learned a lot even so and I feel like this wasn't bad for a first attempt.
>>2330940
another
>>2331065
head is super small
>>2331126
ref
>>2330928
thank you this is extremely helpful, I tried to redraw it a bit, it's still really off and I think I know what's wrong, but I'll work on it tomorrow
>>2331065
yours kinda looks like she's leaning back, you missed some relationships, like the boobs on yours are at an angle that should be like the blue line not the red, and if you look at the relationship from the rib cage to the hip yours goes at an angle back when it should be pretty much straight
>>2331138
ah, ty very much. this helped a lot, I'll work on observing those relationships more, its what I've been struggling with lately.
>>2330940
>>2331126
How do you go about doing these? Do you start out with a sketch blocking out the planes, or do you start with more of a silhouette kind of base and then block in from darkest moving into lighter and lighter or what? I'm shit at color so doing studies like these seem like an interesting challenge to step out of my current comfort zone.
>>2331173
i fill in the background as one colour, then do a rough sketch as an attempt to keep proportions in check, then i paint underneath the sketch. i start with the two largest colour/value groups, then just refine and refine. it's fun, i'm not trying to go for anything fancy or overly rendered, i'm just trying to build my colour/mood library. because they're so quick, if it sucks you don't feel bad about throwing it out or starting over, too.
last one for tonight
>>2331183
ref
>>2331183
What program do you do this in?
>>2331259
lol what does it matter, use the one you're comfortable with.. He's using a flat square brush you can make in any program and just color - also commonly available in most programs.
>>2321550
i learned that redrawing is better than adjusting and polishing
before-
>>2321550
>>2331314
and after
>>2321552
It was fun, more than I expected
REF
>>2321552
Advice, lads? Also anything I'm doing right?
>>2331343
>>2331346
You're not achieving the right values with hatching. Look at the ref again, notice that there's a wide range of values that you're not representing at all, so your drawing lacks the contrast that gives the ref so much personality.
>>2331347
Work on facial symmetry.
Might be worth sketching out guidelines.
>>2330725
the keyboard disgusts me
>>2330762
Yeah, I made her too chubby and short in general.
>>2331319
explain,cause my issue is drawing something once and going back erasing and drawing over repeateldy.cause my solution to that is to start over and do it again,learning from previous mistakes that were made
>>2331361
so you mean make some shit darker?
>>2331439
Yeah basically senpai
>>2321552
why the fuck this picture is so hard do draw
>>2331577
The values of the image are very strong, as seen when you comlare your image and the ref. also skewed eyes
>>2330940
>>2331183
Tried copying, but finding the colors were very difficult so I ended up also just color picking yours :/ Gotta try more of these.. Not good at it at all, I think this turned out ok but only because I was copying your study a lot and stealing color.
Any tips for creating a consistent / good looking palette? Do you do it beforehand or just wing it?
Started this when it got first posted on here, still not finished. I'll finish it next year.
Halfway there.
>>2321554
God that dress is so fucking ugly it hurts to look at. Do you even shiro lolita?
>>2324041
The shape is off, but I like the block shading.
>>2331703
Holy shit this is good.
