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Submit your drawings, receive feedback or critique others! Share your knowledge and remember to thank those who've critiqued or red-lined your drawings. Most importantly, have fun.
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/ic/: "Daily reminder that Artists can now make up to 20k biweekly"
closed on his face, so reposting for him
>>2289863
>you should post stylizations on this thread
Is the only type of stylization this thread allows is anime/western animated girls....?
>>2289995
post 80s Soviet Russian animation style we dont give a fuck
you just run the risk of being ignored collectively
>>2290020
did you construct that drawing or did you copied it? did you used any references? if so, how?
clothing is pillow shaded, volumes or forms are not there, it lacks fundamental understanding
animu face is correct, but it seems to be just a copy from a competent artist, which as it happened to me in the past, leads to bad habits and to delusions of your current ability
>>2290023
No it is not copied. I did not use references. I would like some advice on how to shade clothing.
>>2290048
it's not about "hot to sade ____ (put something)"
it's more aobut understanding light RULES which are universal
you have to analyze different factors such as:
main light position and direction against your figures
then deduce where shadows start, where cast shadows will be (not by guessing or by eye like you are doing naively, but instead by understanding the knowled about light and optics)
you also have to think about light bounces that make shadows lighter
ambient light
how different materials reflect light (your rendering of clothing is like it's plastic and wet
the stairs or roof are flat due to value and lack of form
you have to try learning light fundamentals for that, here is simplified: http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm
pic is an example of the planning involved
>>2290061
Thanks
>>2290061
pic is an example of how to do it wrong
>>2290088
How may I do it correctly?
>>2290097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3WmrWUEIJo
dont trust garbo anime tutorials for anything unless youre into animation
WIP so far
ew, did i fucked up her face?
>>2290135
yes its too long
>>2289973
sigh im getting autism from browsing deviantart, please show me something that motivates me to continue drawing
>depressedtbh
>>2290166
make peace with yourself, don't blame yourself for quitting, it's a burden which won't help, take it easier, do whatever, one step at a time, sustain reachable expectations
feeling that ways sometimes is something recurrent for every artist, so better build will to go trought it, just act m8
>>2290188
guess it could be worth it to break down concept into pieces, submit armor, face studies etcetc for next month and only doing shit as black and white 1st then adding in colour when dimension works right
its just a really fucking technical and long progress to get anything good looking up since apparently all people wanna see is anime tits and fandom memes as ex undertale
>>2290166
post your work
>>2290238
you too
>>2290135
not this guy, but doesn't that face seem too flat, like the brow, cheek and chin is too flat? I tend to draw similiar faces, and I'm no sure if they're wrong or not
>>2290135
The jaw seems too elongated
Not doing anything for two months put me kinda out of shape
>>2289978
blog?
>>2290340
what a landwhale
>>2290348
fuck off noob (not op)
>>2290330
blog!
>>2290364
http://ahrensketch.tumblr.com/
>>2290335
godsh0t.tumblr.com
>>2290330
What brush is this? I've been trying to make my lines look like this for a while..
>>2290374
It's a 3 px wide pixel brush with opacity at 30% in photoshop.
Please help me I'm floundering
>>2290385
Her left shoulder and arm is melting. too lazy to redline.
Study how the angles of the clavicle change with shoulder movement.
>>2289978
How do you choose your colors?
>>2290394
thank you! any more problems you notice?
>>2290397
Looks nice
Been trying some fanart, and I feel stuck trying to get the face to look right. Any pointers would be appreciated.
>>2290329
Looks good, but you should try shading in big shapes first rather than little strokes, then go back and add in little shapes later.
Ok so let's say I'm trying to stylize a,nd draw characters with big eyes.
Is the body necessarily supposed to be made "shorter" too go with the stylization/cuter style?
Would it be weird to draw bigger eyes and a classic proportion body?
>>2290377
>30%
>messing with that parameter at all
How do you guys know how the clothes fold? You obviously can't use a real life reference since it's anime clothes.
>>2290397
I pick some base color then pull out the local color slowly through blending. I'm not sure if this works for other software but I use SAI-- specifically the marker tool. Like in this picture, I just started with a color then picked the literal local color (usually really saturated) then slowly let the marker tool blend with the base color. Using pen pressure, I press harder to make it blend faster to the local color. I probably didn't really explain that very well but the basic idea is to pull the local color out from the base color, slowly building up, then blending the local color with the color of the light hitting it.
Apart from that, I try to think of warm light/cool shadows and cool light/warm shadows when trying to get more color variety. It often feels like a guessing game for me sometimes so I hope to get a more tangible control of my color choices as I study.
>>2290469
study drapery faggot
>>2290471
Study...drapery....
critique?
>>2290476
Legs are about the same size so you can't tell which leg should be father away. Make her right leg smaller.
>>2290476
You have a nasty tangent where the end of her foot touches the knee exactly at one point which makes it hard to tell which is in front. You should either overlap the foot and leg or just don't make them touching.
>>2290478
>>2290490
is this better?
>>2290469
>You obviously can't use a real life reference since it's anime clothes.
>>beginner thread
>>2290470
what a shitty technique
>>2290454
blogoroonie pls
>>2290532
why so salty bro :\
>>2290532
Your work aint that great either tbqh lmao XD
>>2290492
Looks better. She's still missing one arm though.
I hope this isnt too hard to read without color but i would really appreciate critique. i need to know if anything is super off or uncomfortable looking (aside from clutter, they asked for a lot of junk)
WIP, would like some crits before i keep going
>>2290643
Nice so far. I kinda wish her ribcage was fuller. And I'm just gonna assume you'll get to the hand.
>>2290583
I'd pull the camera back a bit to have more simple background and give the viewer an easier time wit the picture. Right now I feel there are too many elements on too little surface. You can keep it cluttered and still give it more simple background to frame it better.
Also, the perspective is all over the place, and it's pretty distracting
>>2290643
>>2290584
is this even alt-art?
>>2290660
its better than tracing anime
>>2290655
>/ic/ critique
>>2290584
Fine I'll critique myself:
>proportions are off - neck too long - mid riff too short - hands weird - forearms too big - legs and feet to big
>sword is flat / lacks perspective
>gun has too much detail in the bottom half compared to the top half
>that weird lumpy texture of the (corset?) thing.
what else?
>>2290655
I'm going to have to critique your critique.
Don't just go;
"Uh"
"Yeh"
"What"
Draw what's wrong or explain it
>>2290707
cant you see the arrows?
>>2290709
Wow, this is the kind of post that you'd expect to see :^) in
>>2290164
>>2290241
>>2290298
thanks for the feedbacks guys!
welp at first i thought a puffy and rounded face won't go well with a rather thin and long body like that. but in the end it did worked, so again, thanks!
Excuse the abysmal camera quality.
Personally this drawing's almost about done but will probably require some touchups, especially on the strawberry.
In the past I've had people tell me to improve my line quality/control and especially worry about getting my hatching lines to go all the way to the borders of the areas they're hatching to prevent white halos from appearing around borders.
I tried working on both of those.
Complaints about anything, not just those two, are welcome.
>>2290759
I like your stuff. Got a site/blog?
>>2290789
thank you anon
i don't have a blog currently though, sorry ;-;
>>2290797
not him, but you should start, I started late and it's not an advantage because no matter the skill, growing popularity is a matter of time of exposition
why is popularity important? because it might open better quality-life oportunities than other kind of jobs in the long run
this thoughts are for ever1
still wip
>>2290643
>>2290655
Thank you both. How fucked am I with hands?
>>2290812
the hand should be holding a penis. preferably with foreskin and not too thick
>>2290584
did some quick cut&pasting to mend the leg proportions somewhat.
Not even /b/ has so much shitposting holy shit.
>>2290643
not a crit but might help you
>>2290804
and still cross eyed!
>>2290954
damnit i forgot spoilers doesn't work here
>>2290955
>forgot
its okay to be new anon
>>2290804
If you can just lasso the right eye - just the iris and pupil part, not the eyelids and cornea, and shift it up and to the right a bit, it might fix the alignment problem.
>>2290787
bump, thanks
fixed eyes thx anons
progress
I'm getting bored and stucked, what do, I have a bad habit of not finished look, so please, push me sempais
I know it's pretty muddy and rough, but I haven't gotten a legitimate critique in ages and I can feel myself stagnating.
Not really looking for points on the Portal Gun and boots (I know they suck), just looking for crits on the anatomy and posing.
>>2291092
Use thinner lines.
Her right arm is thinner than her left.
Posing seems decent enough, we have a sense of motion forwards/to her right.
>>2291092
look how you did those pants, draw forms that way in everything else, or you won't draw forms at all, over that sketch at 20-30% opacity you could draw all again with better line control and focusing more on volumes and after all that, details in other layer
>>2291068
hands are fucked. Too small.
Forshortening on her left (our right) arm looks weird.
>>2289973
is this where i post my anime art?
>>2291137
>>>/trash/
that is where you post your anime art
>>2290954
Whats going on with your site? I just see a bunch of blank testing posts.
>>2291290
is cute?
>>2290655
>this is the quality of an average critique on /ic/
>>2291293
is cute.
>>2291293
CUTE
U
T
E
>>2291368
Shade with the contour of the forms to help the objects look more round. For example on the strawberry you're doing straight strokes across a surface that's supposed to be round which makes it look flat.
The ink or whatever you're using for the dark shadows doesn't seem to mesh well with the rest of the drawing. In general, work on your hatching and crosshatching because it looks quite messy overall.
>>2291446
if you say so anon.
>>2291415
Ink I'm using is actually the same ink I'm using for everything else, the entire work was done with the same pen.
I'll work on the contour hatching soon.
>>2291452
wait wait wait, you dont take this opportunity to embarrass him with a screenshot? This does seem like same fagging now.
>>2291467
almost forgot
>>2291477
Chill
>>2290583
This is honestly gorgeous, I love it.
The only thing that bothers me is the sheets of paper on the grass, they look like slabs of steel. Could use some altering to blend in with the environment better.
>>2291492
its much better than the copy paste shit at the first post that's for sure.
>>2291467
Why would I fammerino? It's not like that can't be faked, attempting to escape the uncertainty anonymous imageboards provide is pointless. For one to say "samefag" in an accusatory manner is effectively to make it so, even if it isn't the truth. Posting a screenshot is just a way to be that much more of a faggot.
On another note, is it better to let your style develop in a faux-vacuum or actively pursue stylizations that you like and study them?
>>2291503
>is it better to let your style develop in a faux-vacuum or actively pursue stylizations that you like and study them?
there's no "better" way, if you see an artist doing something you like, cross reference it with proper real world references to understand how/why they make those stylistic choices and then implement it in future works if you feel like it. just don't wholesale bite another person's style unless it's like a one off homage/practice for staying "on model". if you want to consciously avoid picking up other people's stylistic quirks that's perfectly fine as well, tho it might take a bit longer to "get good" so to speak without all the "standing on the shoulders of giants" as some might put it
>>2290651
im really afraid to pull the camera back any because then i'd be left with a bunch of negative space on the sides but im really starting to notice what you mean about the perspectives being all of the place, thanks for pointing it out to me
>>2291492
thank you!
i think i'll try and fix the perspective on them and when the color goes in they'll have comic panels and sketching on them so hopefully they wont be too inorganic and blend better. now that im looking they do look pretty harsh compared to the feel of the rest of the drawing. maybe if i have one curve up slightly against some grass they'll come across as lighter
>>2291596
that face is more concave than cabin boy
>>2291599
not sure what this is suppose to mean, are you saying that you don't like the stylization or it's wrong?
>>2291137
Holy shit bones, what kind of mental breakdown are you going through now?
When studying other artists or pictures is it better to draw for likeness or draw without trying to get it 100% correct?
>>2291632
Depends on what you're studying.
>construction, proportion, etc
try to get these as correct as possible
>line quality, shading techniques, particular stylizations
these are unique to each person (usually...) and simply going for likeness will usually get your point across if you're just copying an artist to get a feel for it.
>>2291633
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how much I should copy other artist compared to studying them (like drawing their pictures in different angles)
>>2291596
I think a lot of the problems could be fixed by lowering the left leg a bit and either giving her a smaller arm or matching the proportions of her legs to match her upper torso. its like theres two different body sizes on the same picture. the upward angle we're viewing her is making her legs look really wonky and short
>>2291687
You can't just MATCH Chun-Li's legs. The resulting creature would be too HYOOGE for out universe.
.
>>2291596
something something keep in mind how perspective affects the figure (also chunners has really long legs)
>>2291743
el puente de la nariz esta mal, debería esa linea estar en el ojo o simplemente borrala, la oreja definela más, además tu waifu no tiene brazo izquierdo. No soy un experto pero esa son las fallas que veo, suerte.
>>2291743
>expressionless
>staring into the abyss like a shell shocked soldier
Yep, it's a Firez drawing.
>>2291783
thats the least of it. Her breasts are akwardly placed, her ear is huge and its not placed correctly at the end of the jaw. actually, ears dont look like that.
>>2291743
just so you know firez, its been 1.5 years and its 4am
>>2291799
>meanwhile, in 2013
>>2291755
Gracias, lo del puente me extraña un poco creo que lo corroborare con otra referencia.
>>2291783
Maybe I'm looking it wrong (still) but part of the far skull is covered by hair and making it more to the center would make the space between the eyes too close.
>>2291787
I will see what I can do, thanks.
>>2291799
Ok, you just lost me there, care to explain?
stagnating
>>2291743
Why did you post this in the alt style thread, anyway? You're clearly going for realism.
>>2291827
I mean he progressed a little.
>>2291976
oh wow those lines are sexy i like these shapes hnng
re-thought the post
having trouble with feet
>>2291130
Very nice! How ever the hand on the right (her left) looks a bit wonky. Fix index finger and thumb. Also, the groin... Looks like there's a hole in her suit and her hairy pussy is peaking out, dunno if that was intentional...
>>2291968
¿podrías postear esa referencia? las tetonas siempre son bienvenidas.
Lo de la nariz lo veo raro porque si tapas el ojo izquierdo, se ve dibujado de perfil.
>>2291989
Is this more suited for this thread?
>>2292204
Claro, solo dame unos momentos, lo del puente nasal creo que ya lo comprendi major, tenias razón.
>>2292274
Dammit FiRez fuck up someone elses waifu
why Kasumi?
>>2292316
Everyone is so mean to FIRez
She's like the buttmonkey of /ic/
One day she will get better
one day
>>2292325
firez is like a mikufag who wont admit they're bad
the sameface is disgusting
>>2291975
What are some of your influences senpai? I like this.
>>2292204
Esta es. Creo que esta demás decir que no quería seguir la referencia fielmente especialmente en la cara.
>>2292325
> she
is there a regular poster here except rinfag who doesn't get shit on every time they post?
>>2292344
me, but only because i don't have a name
still browse here and don't know why. so many grumpy shit posters,
>>2292384
>still browse here and don't know why. so many grumpy shit posters,
Same.
Btw the ghost hand is looking too large, and the perspective of the boobs don't match that of the shoulders. The transition from the palm of her hand to the wrist and foreshortened forearm can be handled better too.
>>2292384
>pubic hair
Unsanitary
>>2292384
I like it !
>>2292384
>>2292409
>still browse here and don't know why. so many grumpy shit posters,
this place is fiiled of autistics idiots who are frustated about art and they came here to shitpost others to feel better. and sometimes girls post here, this is why we have some irrational jealosy attacks over good artist.
>>2292439
>>2292409
>>2292409
ghost hand is a bit big., just kinda there for now. Last thing I really need to render.
As for the boobs and shoulders, thy are fine
>>2292439
so so many people here are incredibly jealous of fucking EVERYTHING.
Shitty people are going to shit post, it's in their nature.
>>2292478
I dunno, looks to me like the boobs are viewed from below and almost as if she is leaning away slightly, whereas her head and shoulders seem like a more straight on view.
I tried showing what I mean by the perspective looking odd.
>>2292534
anon i think it's because her body is twisted
if you were to trace the line between both hips you'd actually probably get this
trying to improve my linework. Which reads better? A or B?
Also, are there any resources out there for improving linework? Books maybe?
>>2292678
A for the person
B for the coat/fluff thing
>>2292678
>Also, are there any resources out there for improving linework? Books maybe?
sure are, a ton actually. I hope you did't mean im going to spoon feed you.
what can i do to improve this pose?
>>2292697
>come to art thread to learn and get critique
>Hur bdur spoonfeed
Goddamn you people bring cynicism to a whole new level.
>>2292678
Scott Robertson's How to Draw covers improving your linework and line confidence in the first chapter
Your linework isn't terrible but it needs direction. Especially with the fluffy bits, envision the mass of each lump before you line it. Often scratchy lines come from not knowing where the line is going in the first place.
>>2292697
>wow I'm so edgy posting the pls spoonfeed me maymay.
>I'm an actual shit and can't help even myself
>>2292478
Based on the direction of the clavicles this would imply that her left breast lies naturally higher than her right breast. Unless that was what you were going for, no it's not fine.
>>2292723
eh there's nothing special behind it. it does intended to be a generic cute pose
..but even then, i think it's not lively enough
>>2292739
If you're trying to go for a lively then you need to have a pose that is similarly suggestive of liveliness. The basic line of motion is just a slight curvature of a vertical line which is probably why you feel it's particularly bland and lacking energy.
hey gang
>>2292678
>not drawing d.va
>the current year
>>2292825
I'm not gonna point any huge mistakes, but I think you should make the abs lines softer, it seems the belly buttom while it's not, the belt is not following hips silouette, it's too vertical and makes the girl boddy more straight and less femenine, that skirt don't contact anywhere the skin, that don't help to make it appealing and it's neither logic while jumping up, shirt seems to be way too flat, it lacks form so we can't even see her flat chest
>>2292384
It's been a while since I've seen you post.
I like your art m8.
>>2292843
I would try to fix those bigger mistakes if I could honestly, i'll try to lessen on the values on the abs and fix the belt. her shirt seemed to be that starchy in the original, but i can probably take some leeway and change that if it makes the picture better; thanks for pointing it out.
>>2292846
its not much but a tip
I don't know how to do good skirt folds tho, but you could reference it from ppl who manage to make them bold and fit at the same time
>>2292852
now I see, by mistake the skirt have different values when it's over the bg, you could do that with purpose to make her body readable with a bit of light going trought that clothing, it's appealing imo
>>2292384
nice 3D model paintover
>>2292859
>those hands
>3d model
kek.
but the body is probably referenced at the least.
>>2292846
You got a website?
>>2292852
>>2292843
Is this any better?
>>2292991
sorry didn't catch this earlier, i only have pixiv and dA
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=304834
>>2293015
You got his tumblr? I wanna see his sketches/draws.
>>2293015
>He can do it without ref or 3d.
it's possible since does do this a lot, but i've never seen his sketches before.
>He even posted the initial sketch in this same thread.
where?
>>2293013
>...and then she farts!
>>2293028
this is the worst fucking meme in the history of ic and it shows that pornfags ruin everything
>>2293019
I hope he doesn't mind me outing him, though his style is pretty recognizable so I guess it's inevitable. Look up Jace Wallace. Haven't seen him here in quite a while, but he does visit now and then. Or maybe he posts in the alternative thread like this which I don't often drop by in. He's got lots of images floating online, I recall once like a year ago or something some fanboy anon here dumped hundreds of his paintings here in a couple threads, a lot of which may not have been online elsewhere? Almost all were girls/pinup things so I fully believe he can do it without refs. When you do something enough you'll get damn good at it.
>>2293026
Just look up a few posts man >>2292478
>>2293034
trace of a 3D model is the same thing
his stuff always looks heavily referenced
>>2293042
Eh, I don't see him bothering with 3d models. It's faster and easier to just paint it. And nothing he is doing is out of the realm of believability when it comes to painting without ref. Or maybe you are just saying it appears that way?A lot of people assumed Rigney was doing 3d models when he first posted his art online. Nope, all 2d, no reference (at the time). Just happened to have a similar aesthetic.
>>2293034
heh, i love how i didn't even consider that to be the same person. i even went as far as thinking it's another anon trying to do something similar.
you're probably right, by now he should at least know certain angles of the torso by heart. but still, i don't doubt that the majority of his good images are made with the help of references.
not that that's a bad thing.
>>2293042
i don't understand why you think it's 3d models, out of all things.
>>2293013
yeah,, it improved, take care of those visual effects
atm her right leg might be too soft to be dat buffed
it's going gud
something i've been working on
it's impossible to be anon anywhere at this point. you cheeky cunts.
I only used one reference for that image, and it was for the face. The way I tend to use reference isn't to copy 1:1 but just something to look at to help align proportions and the like. The end piece ends up looking nothing like the ref.
>>2293181
Yeah but any pro level artist that posts here is instantly recognizable--catbib, tehmeh, kjk etc. It's just what happens when you reach certain levels. If you want to be anon then you need to change your style or post without images.
>>2293190
y care that much about being annon? you're not drawing muhammad wtf
>>2293181
So are you going to fix the breasts and shoulders or what?
>>2293181
how long does a picture like that normally take you with the way you do them?
I posted the pencils of this in a thread before didn't get a response. Here is an inked and sorta colored version.
>>2293419
The colors are muddy and shitty (and I mean that literally, they look like you mixed a bunch of crap on a palette and painted with it) The pose is wonky, but it's comic-booky, so that's somewhat OK. Hatching and soft shading at the same time are difficult to make work.
>>2293452
Lol
>>2293419
It's horrible, you nuked your own lineart with that shit criteria for values and color. What the fuck.
- don't use airbrush ever again, if you do, kill yourself after
- work on general values, make contrasts, plan them porperly
- pick up colors from references that make sense and explore why that saturation and values makes sense (tones are the least important thing)
>>2293402
just because you say there's something wrong with them doesn't make it true. She's obviously twisting dumbass.
>>2293467
another anon, but that's not how this works
>>2293467
You are an idiot. It doesn't matter if she's twisting, look at the position of her breasts and the angle of her collarbones. The vertical distance between the collarbone and breast is a fixed distance with horizontal play based on shoulder arc. If you raise your right arm your collarbone angles upwards and brings the pectorals WITH IT. There is NO indication that her left breast should be higher than the right breast given the angles of her collarbone and there is NO indication of horizontal play because the left arm is clearly a lateral view as there is no medial musculature visible. I'm not sure what world you come from where clavicles are pullede downwards and breasts are able to magically oppose this motion.
It takes two seconds to imagine this figure rotated to a fully frontal view to see that her breasts are wrong.
>>2293419
I did this with 4 filters, must be trollin... can't be that fucked up
>>2293468
I've seen this board, 99% of the time "redlines" are completely fucking wrong.
even in this thread there are two completely different redlines on the same image. "I said it, so therefor it's true"
>>2293481
You fail to realize that both the redline and the original are wrong.
>>2293477
they are, but they are also often not.
regardless, you don't seem to understand shit, so just shut up.
seriously just shut the hell up and let the artist take or ignore the advice for themselves.
>>2293481
that one clearly points out how misaligned the nipples are compared to everything else, even with twists and all that jazz considered
>>2293481
eyebrows or hips line has nothing to do with parts of the torso just as your facial features has nothing to do with your knees or elbows position
NOTHING
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>>2293481
I'm not even that anon and I understood what he was going for, he obviously doesn't the skills to convey his message. I have the sneaking suspicion that you're the artist and you are being incredibly stubborn about this. You even make excuses for the shitty background hand like we fucking care.
You seriously need to take a step back and reevaluate yourself.
>>2293473
drrrrrrrr
>>2293490
even in your crude rendition can you not see the left breast being noticeably higher??
>>2293489
>ghost hand is a bit big., just kinda there for now. Last thing I really need to render.
He literally said "Yeah I know the hand is big it's not finished yet too"
The fuck is wrong with you idiots?
>>2293495
... because it's being pulled back and up by a shrugging shoulder/arm.
?
>>2293490
again not the other anon
"drrrrrrrrr" notice how you angled the collarbones and shoulders differently to make the nipples work.
because GUESS WHAT, they couldn't work otherwise, so the original redline is exactly right, even with all the twisty twists considered.
>>2293475
I was experimenting with coloring in GIMP. If you look closely you can see that the inks are fucked up too. I used brush, marker and illustration pen. The pens look all washed out in the scan so I jacked the whole thing up bad to get contrast. Thanks for the input everyone, much appreciated.
>>2293500
they are clearly not angled differently. From the sketch, maybe, but the sketch isn't the final image now is it?
>>2293499
"hand is fucked, collar bone is fine" Guess what, hes right. the collar bone is fine.
>>2293466
I really didn't nuke anything. I have the original pencil and inks.
>>2293509
the redline was made for the sketch, so it doesn't matter. >>2292534
in the final image it could be interpreted as correct because you can't see the alignment anyway.
either way, the critique was valid. and you are throwing a shitstorm over nothing.
i'm sick of seeing this shit. a redline doesn't have to be perfect. people are trying to help each other here. and that one clearly points out an issue.
true, some people shouldn't redline, but reserve that for the people who are actually in the wrong.
>>2293509
You might actually be retarded, stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself
>>2293509
Psst. I overlayed his picture that he posted was "right" over your redline.
>>2293516
>can't see alignment
>redline on rough sketch
>critique valid
Come again?
Quick dump - got some new tools, so I'm on autopilot for a bit
1/7 - study of Andrew Mar
>>2293526
>post picture as evidence that underlying structure is correct
>it's wrong and gets critique
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hello???
>>2293528
2/7 I can't find the original artist, but studied some generic tech girl off pinterest
>>2293522
again, that's the old rough sketch. Are you assuming things couldn't have changed when other aspects of it have, like the face proportions, head size, hips, ect.
But please, keep criting something based off the beginning sketch.
>>2293530
3/7 - xa-xa-xa
>>2293529
image showed twist, while they are fine in the final. The only thing that changed in the shoulders i the closest one was raised a bit.
>>2293532
4/7 - a really bad Otto study before I realized I could resize and skew selections - like I should have done with her giant head.
Moving right along...
>>2293526
>he hid it with hair so it's not a mistake!
>>2293531
you posted it so what were you expecting?
you posted it, people pointed out mistakes and now you'll just say it was a sketch.
then you should not have posted it in the first place.
rather than redliners, some people are completely incapable of taking even the simplest of critiques. i seriously hope you're not the artist himself.
>>2293539
5/7 butt pants otto study
>>2293541
again, you are bitching about something you can't even see.
Are you fucking retarded?
>>2292384
That's not how breasts work. Even with the torso twisted, her right breast shouldn't have moved that much higher, just pulled sideways. Unless you were going for uneven breasts, in which case...
>>2293542
6/7 - krenz mask study (minus the masks)
>>2293548
7/7 one more Krenz - I need to work on faces again. Ugh homework...
>>2293547
>one person says the left breast is too high
>another person says the right breast is too high
Just wow. At this point people are bitching just to bitch.
>>2293554
>you have to listen to every critique there is and every artist has the same competency level and opinion on topics.
grow a brain and realize that people are posting here you idiot.
>>2293554
one of the pics is flipped.
>>2293551
m8, read this book be4 you start bad habits with digital
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2rscd7a8cy2f243/10+Mistakes+FINAL+200dpi.pdf
>>2293532
My favorite of your bunch, tableguy
nice work
>>2293565
amazing read! Some of the early stuff is pretty general, but the correction guides were great. I often forget that digital lets you do so much.
>>2293571
thanks - have this creature box study done in Notes
