So were fat women ever regarded as attractive or was it just seen as a sign of wealth? What bodily ideals have we had in times past and was obesity ever one of them?
>tfw you have 100 gigs of fat porn
>>997424
anon, please. I'm worried for you
>>997394
dude's face on the left says it all
>So were fat women ever regarded as attractive or was it just seen as a sign of wealth?
Those thing are not mutually exclusive, anon. Modern research actually proves that women are attracted to money. Not as in utilitarian attraction, but sexual one. Cash literally gets their pussy wet.
>>997394
>>997441
>>997394
Reminder that "fat" is a relative term. The whale in your pic straight out wouldn't exist before the industrial age.
Guys like pic related were circus attractions before the 19th century. So when you read "fat" in historical documents, mentally revise it into "quite chubby".
>>997451
>Modern research
What modern research? Post link
>>997394
I kinda doubt it.
I can certainly see slightly more chubby women beeing the attractive norm, just look at ancient statues / pictures, but they're hardly ever outright fat.
I would argue that the human 'instinct' for attractivness can certainly be influenced, but only so far.
>>997433
it's too late for me
>>997538
>tfw that's one of my favorite vids
Based LL
>>997487
OP here. This is what I thought as well. I think most of what we are attracted to is hardwired into us.
>tfw born too late to openly attracted to chubby chicks
>>997622
Heterosexuality is a mental illness.
>>997622
How do 2 fat people have sex?
Do they have to actively hold their gut up while they smash each other like vikings?
>>997451
Thats both sexes m8, and you cant tell me otherwise.
>>997793
I've wondered this as well. I cant imagine obese people actually enjoying sex since it would be more of a chore for them. Unless they stick to oral or something but even then....
>>997394
I know in several indigenous Polynesian cultures, large women were held as an ideal, as they represented those who came from families with wealth. This suggests that at least to a fair extent, beauty is a social construction. Even along the short timeline of American history, the ideal of feminine beauty has shifted in regards to "appropriate" size, and most people know that the pin-up girls of the '30s and '40s would generally be considered "plus-size" models in today's fashion industry. There is certainly no evidence to suggest a genetic component to what we find sexually attractive, or any universal guidelines to support a standard ideal of beauty.
>>997793
>>997805
I don't even know why I'm answering this question other than the sheer charity of giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are just amazingly ignorant. Fat people fuck just like other people. I've been from 300 pounds down to 150 and back up to 225 (I'm 6 foot), and I can assure you that sex is completely enjoyable at every size. You should really google some fat people porn if you want to study the mechanics.
>>997940
>This suggests that at least to a fair extent, beauty is a social construction
Not really. What does "large woman" mean for an older civilization? Fat people were nowhere near the obese people of today and a chubby woman is found attractive more often than not.
Also, plus size models in the fashion industry are the non-superskinny regular models, not the chubby women you see on ads
>>998011
> Claims standards of beauty are not socially constructed.
> Goes on to explain how "fat" and "chubby" are relative terms based on the culture and time period.
> Literally does not know that they agree with me.
>>998011
Inuits brah.
These women they liked were LARGE.
Basically because they lived in a barren frozen wasteland and needed something for cuddling at night
>>998050
You didn't really understand what I said: there's a certain amount of fat that a woman can have on her and still be considered attractive by a fair number of men. In the past, when people were most likely thin/skinny, having said amount of bodyfat was enough for that person to be considered fat while nowadays the same amount of bodyfat isn't uncommon anymore and we use the word fat to describe people larger than that, so the beauty standard didn't change, just what we imagine when we hear of a fat person
>>998058
Now that is interesting. Perhaps standards of beauty change on environmental factors? Perhaps there is some innate part of the brain which sort of "steers" a cultures standards of beauty to favor certain traits?
I mean, look at the Venus of Willendorf. She is not "plus sized" or "chubby". She is straight up fat.
>>998120
She's a pregnant woman, what did you expect?
>>997394
>tfw slightly Chubby
I hate the idea of it becoming an Accepted norm, never mind the fact that its fucking Unhealthy
>>997940
>most people know that the pin-up girls of the '30s and '40s would generally be considered "plus-size" models in today's fashion industry
not really
>>998120
>Venus of Willendorf
There is not indication she was the standard of beauty at the time, it's just a figurine of a fat women, maybe someone was making fun of her.
>>998095
That's sort of what "social construction" means. We (often, probably detrimentally to the health of our society) use the word "fat" as synonymous with "unattractive" as a linguistic shortcut, but the physical traits we associate with that word change depending on the time period and average body type of the culture in question. It feels like you want to imagine there's some universal standard that doesn't actually exist, though, so I'm not sure you will accept the idea that you already accept the fact that standards of beauty are a social construction. It's not like you have to change who *you're* attracted to, it's just that you have to give up the idea that your attraction is in anyway more legitimate or rational that anyone else's attraction.
ITT: People desperately cling to the notion that they deserve to judge other people by what they find attractive, and that what they find attractive is "natural."
fat people as we see today in history were an anomaly.
>>998149
The problem I have believing that beauty is a social construct is that there's really no proof of that.
Also, the fact that fat people are considered unattractive by the majority of people makes them, well, unattractive.
>>998120
Well thats literally evolution . You liked skinny girls you and your progeny freezed to death and couldn't pass on your genes. Besides society is always influenced by the environment in which they live in
>>998162
back to r/fatacceptance
being a fat, useless waste of oxygen is not natural or attractive
Does this video trigger anybody else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrp0zJZu0a4
>>998168
How, exactly, would you "prove" that beauty is a social construct?
Just think about it, and remember how it was when you were a kid and figuring out what made your giblets tingly: kids fucking *destroy* each other if they find out they "like" someone who's outside the "norm." It's literally groupthink in action. We develop the rules of to whom we are "allowed" to be attracted by seeing the relationships surrounding us in society and media. Through this analysis, we figure out who we're "supposed" to be attracted to, but we constantly find ourselves being attracted to people outside of this narrow band, and if we admit it, we are shamed by others. It's fucking *literally* constructed by society, and until we just openly declare that you're allowed to be attracted to whomever you want, it's just the status-quo confirmation bias loop over and over again. Your logic is circular, anon, and I just know that if you explore it enough, you'll see it. Beauty is not genetically predetermined - the burden of proof would be on anyone who claims that it is, *not* on those who say it's a social construction. That's how proof works.
>>997394
Mandatory viewing for a thread on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrp0zJZu0a4
>>998218
>ancient Egypt
>black woman
WE
>>998229
I mean ever since i was 4 years old I was attracted to women, especially ones with big tits and a big ass. No one told me to like them, I just knew I did.
>>998218
Ahahahahahah! The Italian one! Do people actually believe this?
>>998232
>ancient Egypt
>black
>all the others are just fat apart from the 20s and now
Also, where does the 'Marilyn Monroe was chubby' meme come from? She was slim, and about half the size of the bint portraying the period
>>998258
I guess it's just people with body image issues, but they see themselves skinnier than they really are, rather than fatter.
>>998229
>kids fucking *destroy* each other if they find out they "like" someone who's outside the "norm."
This has never happened to me nor anyone I know, the rest of your post is you implying things like the good armchair sociologist you are.
Nobody told me to like the women I have no problems admitting who I like even though my taste is often non conventional, also nobody ever told me to like women at all, yet here I am being heterosexual.
Also, how do you explain the fact that people with symmetrical faces are (and were) invariably considered attractive?
>>997940
>and most people know that the pin-up girls of the '30s and '40s would generally be considered "plus-size" models in today's fashion industry.
ugh...this stupid fucking meme...please stop lying.
>>998180
You need a hug <3
>>998252
It's terrible how much they're pushing the fat agenda, not only in their models, but the wording as well.
For the fat ladies these words were used: plump, full-bodied, ample bosom , desirably plump, curvy.
While for the skinny ones: Boyish figure, adolescent phyisque, androgynous.
It's basically saying that and if you like the skinnier ones then you are a pederast.
>>998250
Um, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that means your attraction is pre-pubescent, and thus you later attached sexual significance to it when you reached adolescence, but it likely is associated with the desire to be taken care of and nurtured. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you, I'm just saying that it's either not support of a biological origin of attraction, or in fact support that sexual attraction is unrelated to hormones, which is probably far more controversial (but an interesting idea and worth exploring).
>>997940
>I know in several indigenous Polynesian cultures, large women were held as an ideal, as they represented those who came from families with wealth. This suggests that at least to a fair extent, beauty is a social construction.
being the ideal match doesnt mean they would be considered beautiful. Just that they would be a better marriage match. Just like in medieval europe, someone with noble blood would always be preferable over any pretty peasant girl.
>and most people know that the pin-up girls of the '30s and '40s would generally be considered "plus-size" models in today's fashion industry
this is completely wrong
>>998302
>for the skinny ones: Boyish figure, adolescent phyisque, androgynous.
>It's basically saying that and if you like the skinnier ones then you are a pederast.
But all of that is completely true
>>998347
There's a big difference between a little boy and a woman, even if she is thin.
>>998275
Let me try to explain - nobody's saying that anything's wrong with you for being straight and attracted to whomever you are. It's okay. You're fine. The issue is that people who are seem to want to believe that they are more entitled to their attraction because it's "normal," and this leads to folks making people who aren't attracted to the same people feel shame for what *they* are "naturally" attracted to. Nobody's threatening you. You are perfectly safe here. Just accept the fact that *nobody* knows why people are attracted to the people they are attracted to, and our *best guess* is that it is some combination of nature and nurture, which a certain degree of is socially constructed. Also, that symmetry thing is backwards: people tend to be off-put by perfectly symmetrical faces, research shows.
>>997394
chubbiness probably, obesity like your pic related - never.
because there's a big difference between having an extra pounds thus showing you can afford to eat more than you need and being downright unhealthy and close to have your veins clogged with fucking fat; that's not attractive anywhere, not even in the US.
>>997940
>I've been from 300 pounds down to 150 and back up to 225
how's your skin, did you lose/win weight gradually or abruptly?
because if you took less than 2~3 years to lose that weight i'm guessing you'll need surgery to fix the stretch marks
If they could afford to, how did people do portion control before the discovery of calories?
So, be perfectly honest: are we even always attracted to the same people reliably? I find myself being attracted to some people some days, and then the next day that same person won't really do anything for me, but another will who didn't the day before. Are we perhaps fudging a little on being honest about how stable our standard of beauty is even individually, much less societally?
tl;dr: be honest, people - don't you sometimes want to fuck a fat chick even though you don't always?
>>998375
I guess, if I gave a fuck about stretch marks and thought them anything to be ashamed of. Seriously, how ingrained are these social standards of what is physically acceptable, and do you really not question them as perhaps a massively profitable method of shaming people into buying products and medical procedures they don't need?
>>998386
>how did people do portion control before the discovery of calories
you eat til you are full, and if you're getting fat you eat less. People understood that eating a lot made you gain weight long before they knew what a calorie was.
>>998361
You keep reading things in my words that just aren't there. I don't really care whether or not people find what I like normal and I don't feel "threatened" by this conversation, but what you are saying is debatable to say the least: you are saying that since a minority of people differ from the norm when it comes to define beauty then beauty is a social construct. We have some ideas as to why some people are considered attractive but that doesn't even matter because the point here is that the OP asked if fat people were considered attractive in the past and the answer is, as far as we know, no and they're not considered (by the majority of people) attractive today. Nobody's saying you can't find fat people attractive or that it's wrong.
Also, I implied high, not perfect symmetry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_symmetry
>>998386
They didn't. Calories were "discovered" in 1896, and the nutritional framework was developed in the early 1900s. Before that, people treated weight and body size as much less out of people's control... which I'm beginning to think was actually better for society.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9G5ArTq.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>998402
the weight the guy lost and gained were extreme and when that happens you get horrible desfigurated, whether you like or not - liposuctions aren't just for worthless cougars pathetically trying to revert aging
>>998402
>do you really not question them as perhaps a massively profitable method of shaming people into buying products and medical procedures they don't need?
What? Do you really think you need pills or surgery to lose weight?
>>998418
But your answer is disingenuous, and implies that there is a consistent way to define "fat" regardless of the society and time period in which you are trying to define it. There is no simple answer to OPs question, and your attempt to do so is exposing the implicit assumptions. You're just stating that "fat people weren't found attractive in the past" like its some objective fact that we've answered definitively, and it's bullshit to do that.
>>998392
Not really. I find certain features to be attractive consistently.
I've never found fat people attractive.
>>998425
Let's look at the word you used: "disfigured." The assumption here is that there is a "proper" figure that this guy should look like, and *that* is the entire goddamn problem. It's like people just *can't* accept the idea that there *is* no "standard human being" template. Is it really that hard to get? Do we really benefit that much from holding up some ideal of "normalcy?" How much of our time is spent comparing ourselves to other people when we could just accept that we're fine as we are? Seriously, we're better than this, people!
>>998479
>(You)
>>998479
so this is ok and acceptable and someone like this should accept and embrace the difference instead of using surgery to "fix" it?
>>997793
The Woman goes into a doggystyle position and tries to spread her cheeks as much as possible while the man rests his gut on the womans back and proceeds too fuck her.
>>998479
>Do we really benefit that much from holding up some ideal of "normalcy?"
No, but we benefit a lot from holding up an idealised standard. Physical excellence should be held in no less regard than mental and moral excellence
>>997394
I think people have always preferred thick, or even chubby women, but not morbidly obese women like in pic
>>998494
Like, yes? You don't have to be attracted to it, but you don't feel at least a little strange going around telling other people what they should look like? Not to be too harsh, but who the fuck do you think you are? You totally have the right to construct your own standards of beauty, and select partners based on those standards, but the moment you extend those expectations on other people, you are being a dick. Don't be a dick. Why is this hard?
>>997394
When people say "fat women" were regarded as attractive they were talking about being about 20-30 pounds over what is now considered the ideal today.
They certainly didn't have the a thing for land-whales.
>>998500
> Reply to post on beauty standards by saying they are socially constructed.
> Get shit on by people who claim they aren't socially constructed.
> Claim that society shames those who deviate from socially constructed norms.
> *Literally* have someone shame him for deviating from socially constructed norms.
> Pointproven.jpg
Is this win?
>>998518
>but the moment you extend those expectations on other people, you are being a dick
>you can't tell landwhales to stop being landwhales because that makes you a dick
fuck off back to rebbit
>beauty standards are 100% social constructs
yawn..
>>998538
And when 99% of cultures around the world and throughout history have standards that are mostly the same, why do you think this is? Because those standards derive from our biological preferences.
"Social constructs" don't appear out of thin air, and calling something that doesn't immediately invalidate it.
>>998548
You are a valuable and worthwhile human being. I'm so sorry you have to judge people by how they look, and that you've been made to feel that way by a culture that teaches you not to love yourself. You should love yourself. You deserve love, and you deserve to be loved. Don't believe it if people say otherwise <3
>>998570
Having good self esteem doesn't mean being indulgent on your flaws and striving for mediocrity.
You can very well love yourself while trying to change for the better (and you should, because nobody will ever be perfect, but that's not reason to hate yourself).
>>998570
>I'm so sorry you have to judge people by how they look
Being physically fit sharpens the mind and is indicative of a driven personality and someone who isn't afraid to work.
Being fat is indicative of being a lazy slob.
Loving yourself does not mean you should be a fat shite
>>998563
Making up the completely bullshit statistic that "99% of cultures around the world and throughout history have standards that are mostly the same" doesn't make it true. Do you *really* believe that even? Think about all the factors and complexities that go into what makes someone "beautiful" (physically). Then think about all the various cultures and people that comprise human history for the last hundred thousand years or so. Really think about it. If there were *really* a biological preference for a narrow band of phenotypal variation, then wouldn't humans have looked more and more alike over time and gotten closer to this biological ideal? It just doesn't really make sense... unless maybe you are mistaking your own narrow experience with the standards of beauty presented to you by the media you consume as some measure of what beauty standards have always been. But that's not possible. No, you surely have studied every human culture throughout all known history and taken careful statistical data. Absolutely. I stand corrected.
Lads, don't give him more (You)s he's aching for attention. On topic, fucking fat chick is disgusting. I'd probably feel like shit if I ever did it.
>>998302
I fucking love body "positivity"
>If you don't like MY body type you're practically a hebephile
>>998637
>hebephile
Had to look that word up, what the fuck, that's /tv/ incarnate.
>if you don't like my body type
Lose weight you lazy cunt. I wouldn't expect Monica Bellucci to fawn over me if I was 300 pounds
>>998611
I never said the band was particularly narrow, but it certainly seems to be in regards to fat, since fat fucks like you or OP's pic are outliers and not even remotely close to the norm. And in our more globalized world most people tend to like certain attributes (why do you think males of practically all ethnicities like European women for example?). It can be compared to language in a way. A thousand languages will pop up and grow because there are a thousand different groups, but only a few will be widely used to unite those different groups. With the difference that languages change constantly, while the human body stays largely the same.
The bullshit statistic is related to what was said in the thread, because I've never seen fat people like that represented as something beautiful up until Tumblr showed up.
But of course you're a free thinker while my mind is polluted by the media (though if that were true I would think like you do, since that fat positivity bullshit is what they've been pushing for the last years).
>>997622
That's fat, dude, no chubby about it.
>>998607
>>998591
Like, you aren't being sarcastic are you? You *really* believe this, don't you? You don't even see how this kind of thinking leads to people basically spending their entire lives trying to live up to some ideal that, if they even reach, will never be as fulfilling as they thought it would, do you?
I guess the thing is this: if *you* have an ideal self in mind, then by all means, do whatever it takes to get there. But if and when you're happy with how you look, and you start casting a judgmental eye on someone else, thinking they should look like something else, keep it as a thought, and let it pass. Maybe someday you'll understand.
>>998671
Fuck, I did suspect you were trolling with your bad use of "like" every other word, but I wasn't really sure.
Fuck off dude.
>>998684
Do you literally not understand what I'm saying? Am I in an alternate universe right now? Does English not work anymore? Is a measured and genuine approach to a logical treatment of body image in contemporary culture considered trolling now? Fucking hell, man.
>>998714
Fatty srs
>>997487
You also wonder if enough totally fat women (like OP's picture) could have existed 200+ years ago to for it to be a recognized body type, let alone be considered attractive.
You can't really ever love a fat person. You're always hoping they'll improve themselves.
>>998754
WE WUZ SEX SYMBOLS N SHEEIT
>>998765
But what if they don't? I broke up with a girl(well, she did with me) because I told her she was fatter by the day and I couldn't stand seeing her ruin her body and health.
>>998754
>"I'm trying to capture the complexity of standards of human beauty throughout the known world. How many pictures would that take?"
> "Dunno. 38 oughtta do it."
>>997394
I have a fat fetish and like fat bitches. Anyone from 200 to 500lbs, but even I find the women in the OP disgusting.
If they're fat, they still need to have nice faces and have all their meat in the right places.
>>998818
>I'm trying to disprove what the other anon said
>so I'll do it by criticizing the sample size without presenting any proof of my own
>>998825
For example. This is the type of fat bitch I'm talking about.
>>998457
No it's not. The OP asked wether or not fat people as we intend them today were found to be attractive in the past. Now, from what we can infere from artistic depictions and literature, fat people (and by fat here I mean people who TODAY we consider to be fat) were never considered an ideal of beauty. That's it.
Also, your claim that we can't define at what point people become fat is idiotic: we have clear and reasonable medical standards that define wether or not a person has too much (or too little) bodyfat and the fact that people in some places got used to see unhealthily fat people doesn't change that.
>>998842
Disgusting tebehe lad. But to each his own I guess, one man's trash is another man's cum dumpster
>>998825
You really don't get it, do you? The picture OP posted is not about trying to make you sexually attracted to her. That's not why she's standing in a bathing suit on a bus with the word "beautiful" written on her. She's doing that because she *feels* beautiful, and she doesn't fucking care if you agree with her or not, and she's tacitly promoting the idea that *everyone* is beautiful, and that's a *good* thing. The fact that you don't get that is really discouraging.
>>998479
You talk like not being fat is hard. Jesus Christ just have some self control
>>998861
For him and that bitch in OP's pic it is. They'd rather have the world change around them to suit their desires than change themselves.
>>998856
Everyone isn't beautiful though. Is a guy with half his face blown off beautiful?
>>998538
>say something
>someone disagrees
>OMG THEY SHITTING ON ME
Sometimes people don't agree with you, you should accept that
>>998856
>not about trying to make you sexually attracted to her
I don't think anyone could be that delusional
>>998854
Here's another type of fat bitch I like.
>>998538
>OMG GUIZ PEOPLE ARE SHAMING ME
Lose weight you salty fuck. I'd tell you to grow a thicker skin, but that would only exacerbate your situation
The best thing is all the people ITT attracted to fatness are Marxists. Ironic since fatties would be skinny and starving in communism.
>>998842
Seek help
>>998879
She's fucking fat tho. I like thick too, but that's 3chubby5me lad.
>>998888
wat also quads
>>998891
Seek help for being attracted to skinny twigs that wouldn't survive a harsh winter : )
>>998895
I like em fat mate. Always have. I can't have sex with or fap to skinny women. It's nearly impossible to stay hard.
>>998888
Quads of truth
>>998861
You think everybody has the same propensity for gaining weight? You don't realize that there's a lot of variation between peoples' metabolism and genetic predisposition?
There were cultures where men were thin but women were obese. Such was the case in the ancient kingdom of Ankole, for example:
"Women are also as corpulent as the men are thin and spare in flesh"
https://books.google.es/books?id=5d9YAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA103&dq=%22Women+are+also+as+corpulent+as+the+men+are+thin+and+spare+in+flesh%22:&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWgLit0ZbMAhVFWBQKHQFGAswQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22Women%20are%20also%20as%20corpulent%20as%20the%20men%20are%20thin%20and%20spare%20in%20flesh%22%3A&f=false
>>998917
So eat less than normal people, Jesus, it's not hard Boy Blubber
>>998900
>if you don't like obese landwhales you can only like anorexic tomboys
Whatever you need to sleep at night m8
>>998871
No, the post was actually telling other people to not respond for no other reason than they thought I looked like the man in that picture, and they thought I was saying that I was beautiful. As if that was such a distasteful idea that I should be ostracized for it. That is exactly the kind of public shaming and norming practice that happens on the schoolyard and shapes people's expectations of what's acceptable as a body type (which one poster earlier claimed to "never see"). Get it now?
>>998917
No, there isn't. Stop buying into the fat acceptance bullshit because the difference between people is negligible and everyone can lose weight simply by controlling their food intake
>>998937
Y-you must be maymaying right? This can't be 4real. People like you can't exist here.
>>998856
This is the caption that goes with the picture:
"Reverse-rape is the refusal to sexually engage w/ women of the "wrong body type" and is just as horrific as rape."
>>998920
>Ankole
Of course it's always the niggers who worship hamplanets. Even today they prefer whales to normal women.
>>998942
It's either a troll or a woman. Very likely a woman.
>>998924
You're so cute.
>>998924
>boy
I genuinely wonder why do you think it's a man to begin with. Men don't whine this much.
>>998937
Or maybe it's innate and society has less to do with it than you think. Also, why should I like a fat person? I'm not saying they should kill themselves and if they're fine with how they look then good for them, but why should I (or anyone really) like someone that cares so little about their health and is too lazy or weak willed to implement some simple changes in their lifestyle that would bring such a great benefit to themselves? To me that's moronic and unattractive (also body odor).
>>998950
How many of us are females? Do the ladies like to shitpost but don't want other people to know?
>>998961
Marxists, nazibooz, gommies, SJWs do, although the "man" is being used loosely here
>>998973
They like to pretend they're men in order to fit in.
>>998976
OK, lasses ITT: pics with time stamp, now.
>>998988
>neither troll
>nor woman
Then SJW, on a Malaysian Sandalwood Burning Forum of all places.
>>998969
See, this kind of comment is what I can't believe is real. People still believe that fat people are "lazy" and "weak-willed"? Seriously?
>>997632
About time someone said it.
>>998999
>can't stop themselves from eating
>b-but I'm not fat or lazy
How many push-ups can you do? How's your heart? Cholesterol? Can you stop eating? Trouble breathing? Can you run from a pack of rabid dogs for more than 10 seconds? Can you stop eating?
CAN YOU STOP EATING YOU FAT FUCK?
>>998999
Yes most fat people are indeed either lazy or weak willed, or both.
>>998994
It's called "reversing expected gender norms," sweet-tits.
To the obvious woman in this thread: please leave. Nobody cares that you are unfuckable, deal with it you fat piece of shit. We would indeed have a wonderful society if we placed the weak and lazy as our model. That would be just like a resentful woman.
>>998479
Fuck off back to your redditumblr hugbox already.
>>999022
>fat tranny
>>999022
You got the love the attention you fat cunt. You've never had so many males talk giving you attention in your entire life.
>>999009
What kind of post-apocalyptic nightmare do you live in that you're concerned about running from packs of wild animals (protip: rabid animals do not demonstrate pack behavior, as hydrophobia promotes isolation and leads quickly to death) enough that you physically condition yourself for it?!
>>999027
See now, I would expect this from /b/. Why are you trying to post on a history board? Just write down your social attitudes - that shit *is* history.
>>999046
What Fattopia do you live in that you're not concerned about literally keeling over while walking down the street and not being able to get up without the help of a forklift?
>>999054
Man, slave Egypt is fine as fugg tebehe. As an Orthodox I'd love to bring our 2 Churches together.
>>998232
>women were considered disfigured versions of men
Sane people still consider them that
>>999045
You really think I'm a woman, don't you? And more distressingly, you think women crave male attention. I hope you're just too young to know better. You should reevaluate your assumptions.
>>999073
*tips tampon*
>>999073
>women crave male attention
They do. Males also crave women's attention, it's what people with libidos(which you obviously lack) want
>not a woman
I'm still 50% you're b8ing
>>999053
You seem to love claiming that you aren't understood, but I feel that you cannot understand what we represent. There is no problem with ugliness or being unattractive, there is a problem with being overweight. The mentality that you represent is, in my opinion, repugnant. We do not inherently deserve love and respect, it is something to be earned. A fat person is a a symbol of laziness because you get Fay through a calorie surplus which is mostly easily controlled. If we accept your nauseating mediocre philosophy all would be satisfied. The extreme conclusion is a society entirely without excellence. You can't be excellent? Try harder or join the herd of complainers. I do not dislike fat people, but I loathe apologists such as yourself. Back to tumblr with you.
MoP may have been ok in terms of content but I hated the asian theme. It was objectively a fucking gay caricture of what WoW should be.
That being said, WoD is also fanfic tier bullshit. At least Cata had a pretty cool story, really enjoyed Uldum and Hyjal.
>>999055
What omniscient panopticon do you live in that you think you know anything about my health? You people are fucking creating a ghost person, and while it's interesting from a sociological perspective, it's entirely proving my point in a terrifying way, because at least one of you will extend this psychosis onto real people in the real world and dismiss them the way you do people on anonymous message boards, and that's kind of exactly what's wrong with the world.
>>999091
What the fuck are you even talking about? What do those abbreviations mean?
>>999092
Oh, is that what's wrong? Not economic equality, the degrading of our environemnt, politicians fucking us over in the same of SJW/nationalism/shekels, the civil strife in the Middle East, famine all over Africa and India, the collapsing Chinese economy, governments restricting freedom of speech, it's people calling fatties "fat".
>>999091
Frozen Throne had the best story teebeehee
>>998879
Now that's hot. It all depends where the fat lies. Btw do you know the name of this semen demon?
>>999107
File name you cuck.
>>999089
You are literally preaching fascist ideology. What the fuck. Of course we all deserve love and respect - were you raised in Sparta, for fuck's sake? I'm really, honestly sorry that you were brought up in whatever horrible situation led you to feel like love and respect were things that had to be earned, but you don't have to believe it. Forcing other people to subscribe to your version of what excellence is - that's not okay. Why would you want more competition, anyway? Be your bad-ass self, dude. But don't tell people to be like you or judge them when they don't look like you think they should. Maybe there are people who think you should look different - would you want them to make *you* do it? You're not in the right just because you're in the majority when it comes to personal image.
What the *heck* are you guys on? How *dare* you hold people to higher *standards* (socially constructed btw). We should all *love* ourselves despite our *afflictions* (yes, you guessed whiteboi! Also constructed by society). People *disagree* with me on 4chan? Eating food I don't *need* to eat is bad? I literally cannot even right now.....
>>999115
/his/ is a fascist board
>>999115
>I'm really, honestly sorry that you were brought up in whatever horrible situation led you to feel like love and respect were things that had to be earned
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU HORRENDOUS EXCUSE OF A HUMAN?
>>999115
> Why would you want more competition, anyway
Maybe he'd like to live in a better society where being fat is shunned upon because it's bad for you
>>999115
This had gone on for so fucking long... are you b9-1ing us?
>>999104
Well, at the root of it all is dehumanization, and the vicious cycle of abuse that leads people to perpetuate a toxic culture of unfair expectations just because they feel that they have to live up to others' unfair expectations.
>>999137
Shit, this isn't b8, you literally are mentally ill. I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an annoying fagbot. Last (You) from me in this thread
>>999115
>You are literally preaching fascist ideology.
Really? Guess I'm a fascist then. I consider myself a humanist.
>we all deserve love and respect
I disagree, only those who are loveable and respectable deserve either. Nobody owes you anything.
>sorry that you were brought up in whatever....
This transparent attempt to seem empathetic will not get you anywhere with me, I had remarkable parents, each hard working who raised me to hold myself to a higher standard than mere gratuitous complacency.
>forcing other people
I didn't mention force once.
>or judge them
I will hold in contempt those I deem contemptible, such as yourself.
>maybe there are people who think you should look different
My issue with fat people isn't how they look, it is how they act, please take the time to read my post. Do not ignore the fact I mentioned there is no problem with ugliness.
>you're not in the right just because you're in the majority
I am not in the majority, and you have a very skewed view of then world if you don't think it panders to the fat consumer, such as yourself.
>body image
Are you deliberately missing the point?
>>999115
Unconditional love and respect are good things, but not everyone will agree with you. You shouldn't be so upset or surprised.
>>999130
Wow - that took me a minute. Maybe throw some parenthesis around that expression. I'm really not baiting you. I really, legitimately believe that every human being has the right to do whatever they want with their own body, even if other people don't want to look at it. I also believe that everybody is beautiful in some way, and that a great many body types are attractive, and that we all deserve love and respect because we're all human. The fact that any of these statements are controversial in the least is symptomatic of a society where people have been taught to run at each other like wounded dogs in order to appease a cruel and greedy master, and would we all recognize our commonalities and team up along our shared needs, we'd take down the sickness and share the wealth, and end the hunger and the hate. I even think there are a lot more who also think this who don't want to speak because they will meet the kind of harsh treatment one does, and I hope when the time comes they just remember that there are more people like them than they think.
>>997394
When thick human does drying then thin human does dying.
Fat was an insurance, in old time starvation was regular.
Lucky bears, they might live long by treasures of body fat, god blessed them.
Also wide pelvis and huge belly good for give birth to many children and easy childbirthes.
>>999184
>also believe that everybody is beautiful in some way
You just made the word "beautiful" lose meaning idiot. Eva Green is beautiful almost to the point of disbelief, Hillary Clinton is ugly as sin. On the inside too
>we all deserve love and respect because we're all human
Nobody owes you shit nigger
>we'd take down the sickness and share the wealth
I would have made the bet you're a lMarxist, and like clockwork,there's the proof.
>and end the hunger and the hate
Hunger will probably be easily overcome in the next few decades. Hate? I can't hate things now? How can you have love without hate you dumbass?
I think it's one thing to say that there can be variation between (and within) societies about what's considered attractive and ideal, but it's absurd to think that there aren't some concrete biological realities to deal with that puts limits on what can be considered "beautiful".
The left has an obsession with saying that everything is a "social construct", meaning (to them) artificial and contrived, and therefore subject to change in pursuit whatever goals they have.
There's a pretty big correlation between things that help ensure survival/fitness-in-the-wild and what's considered to be beautiful and attractive.
One can only wonder why.
>>999159
>My issue with fat people isn't how they look, it is how they act,
How are you okay just literally fucking stereotyping people?!?! Like you seem pretty well educated, and it just boggles me that you think finding fat people repugnant consistent with a humanist worldview. It's not missing the point to bring up body image, either - it's complicating an issue that I feel that you're trying to oversimplify in order to justify a prejudice. I'm just hoping that you'll question your assumptions sometime.
>>999223
Stop being such a preachy cunt, everybody hates that shit.
>>998120
Using venus figurines to say that beauty standards are different nowadays is perhaps overly simplistic. We have plenty more illustrative examples than a bunch of figurines that have neither feet nor faces. Unless you meant that because venus figurines have features that don't 100% reflect reality that they shouldn't be taken at face value. In that case, you're just proving your earlier point wrong. In either case, you're wrong and should feel bad.
>>997394
During one of the Chinese Imperial dynasties yes, it was the ideal of beauty.
Can't remember which one though. Google it
>>997394
>So were fat women ever regarded as attractive or was it just seen as a sign of wealth?
Throughout most of history having a physical sign of wealth was an attraction, so yes. Although its impossible to know for sure, but considering the idols that people like the Greeks worshiped were generally considered the apex of attractiveness, its not outlandish to assume that the Venus figurines were any different for whoever made them.
>>999219
>There's a pretty big correlation between things that help ensure survival/fitness-in-the-wild and what's considered to be beautiful and attractive.
Social Darwinism has never helped things. Again, you're the one trying to instantiate universal standards of beauty that cannot be proven. It's a dream, anon. Sorry, but it's true. Applying natural selection to human standards of beauty is a Lamarckian misrepresentation of evolution. It just isn't that simple. Seriously, do the research.
>>999227
Yeah, the fucking truth hurts. Sorry not sorry.
>>999266
>the fucking truth
Kek'd
The stupid shit your spouting would be more bearable if you weren't such a "OMG GUIZ GET ON MY LEVEL YOU UNENLIGHTENED BARBARIANS" fag
>>999223
People get fat through eating too much and doing too little. Acceptance of fat people would only mean an acceptance of such practices. I am perfectly aware that fat people may exhibit great qualities; you seem to lack the depth of spirit required to comprehend the point I am making. The society which holds certain standards of excellence will outshine that which places the happy fat consumer as it's model. The fat person will always be a symbol of weakness because you cannot get fat unless you eat too much food, which demonstrates shallow taste, lack of discipline and lack of concern for your health.
>>999249
Here found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty#Tang_women
>>999285
Isn't it ironic that they ended up destroying themselves with famine?
Dear Diary,
Today over 600 gorillion newfags on /his/ died swallowing massive amounts of b8 in the span of a single thread.
>>999299
People enjoy debate. Literally nothing of significance has happened if you reply to bait.
>>999299
I thought that myself, but he seems to actually hold these views. I have not seen one troll that is as ardent, coherent or genuine. We have a literal mental SJW fuckwit here
>>999260
We're subjected to the forces of evolution and natural selection regardless of how uncomfortable that may make you feel. We didn't spring up out of nowhere.
> Social Darwinism has never helped things
I'm being descriptive, not proscriptive, not that it matters, because something can be objectively true and factual regardless of whether it "helps" or not.
> Again, you're the one trying to instantiate universal standards of beauty that cannot be proven
I never said I believed in an absolute, universal standard, merely that people tend to find certain things to be attractive, and others to be repulsive. I never said that there couldn't be variation between societies and between different individuals, but to pretend there aren't any commonalities is absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness
>>999284
>People get fat through eating too much and doing too little. Acceptance of fat people would only mean an acceptance of such practices.
You just accept this as an absolute truth. Is it so impossible that it may not be that simple?
>>999311
>acceptance
Why would you not try to make people healthier?
>>999304
/his/ in particular takes the b8 like no other. I assure you, anyone can start a 100+ chain thread by picking a topics like "WE WUZ *blank*", "Why is X culture so awful/good?", JohnGreenposting, anything about Islam, anything about Marxism and others.
b8 threads suck because they all devolve into arguing semantics and flagrant abuse of statistics and scientific research with some name calling thrown in.
>>998479
>Do we really benefit that much from holding up some ideal of "normalcy?
idk man maybe we should try to strive for health and attractiveness instead of relaxing every spiritual muscle and falling to the floor in a pile of floppy limbs
>>999115
>Of course we all deserve love and respect
This is how an indolant society is formed.
>>999311
I do not accept it as absolute truth no. It is a prediction based off of the way fat acceptance has occurred so far. It is a pretty valid inference though. You get fat by eating too much (even if you have a thyroid issue), if you accept fat people then you find eating too much acceptable. Throw the word simple at me again, you may offend me eventually.
>>998218
>ancient greece
>not a boy
>>999323
I called Stirner a Marxist and got a million replies. It's that easy.
>>999305
Again, this is the /his/ board. In theory, people who post here have studied at least to a cursory degree the vast and multifarious tapestry of human perception and actions throughout time. What I don't understand is how people can fail to see that contemporary trends in physical beauty are, like so much of history, dependent on the social values and mores of the culture in which they are measured. It's not rocket science. If anyone should understand perspective and relativism of righteousness, it's a student of history - and what I'm seeing is an obsession to connect posters' personal preferences with some kind of self-righteous judgment on what a human is supposed to look like. It's wildly incongruous. But I guess that's my fault for having expectations.
>>999338
I forgot >spook threads.
Fuck, /his/ is destined for awfulness in terms of philosophy since a lot of these concepts are fucking difficult to properly discuss outside of an academic setting.
>>999341
You and everyone you're arguing with are not even on the same page here. Stop changing the goddamn topic every other reply.
>>998232
I'd fuck all of them in the vid and I assume I'm not the only one. Which makes me think the majority of men in the eras preceding would be the same. No fixed ideal that was the de facto body
To tell what a societal ideal is a difficult thing without clear documentation
I feel this vid was made for fat and flat as a board chicks to feel a bit better about themselves. Which is fine
But really the male ideal body hasn't really ever changed and they should realise that the female body is the same. It's about who's hot enough and available when it boils down to it
>>999341
>dude relativism so you can't judge me
Nihilist.
>>999332
>"You get fat by eating too much."
- Some people have a very high metabolism, and they can eat a lot without gaining weight. Some people have a slow metabolism, and will gain weight without having to eat a lot. Again, not that simple.
- Who determines how much is "too much?" If a person wants to eat more than another person, who has the right to step in and tell them they can't? If we accept that people own their own bodies (not that everybody does, but it seems like something most would consider rational), then as long as they're not taking food away from others, then they can eat however much they want.
- "Fat acceptance" is just the notion that fat people, however you define that term, have the right to be themselves. Assume for a moment that you are right, and they eat "too much" and get fat, and it's solely their choice. Why is this different than people doing body-mod by wearing earrings, getting tattoos, or getting cosmetic surgery? (Pro-tip: It's not.)
>>997473
>The whale in your pic straight out wouldn't exist before the industrial age.
Obese people existed prior to the industrial age. They were almost always wealthy (usually nobility) and it was not considered the norm but, they were there.
>>999396
Words mean things. You clearly need to study Nihilism more.
>>999405
EATING TOO MUCH IS COMPARED TO YOUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION RATE
IF YOU HAVE A SLOW METABOLISM IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU MIGHT BE EATING TOO MUCH DESPITE NOT EATING AS MUCH AS ANOTHER PERSON
LIKE, SAY, IF YOU ARE FIVE YEARS OLD IT'S NOT OKAY TO EAT AN ENTIRE PIZZA FOR DINNER
>>999405
>- "Fat acceptance" is just the notion that fat people, however you define that term, have the right to be themselves. Assume for a moment that you are right, and they eat "too much" and get fat, and it's solely their choice. Why is this different than people doing body-mod by wearing earrings, getting tattoos, or getting cosmetic surgery? (Pro-tip: It's not.)
Sure. But they have to accept that people will be disgusted by them and not see them as desirable. There many men and women who dislike tattoos, body mods, and piercings. Should these people be forced consider what they consider repulsive as beautiful? No. Fat people can accept themselves all they want, just don't think other people will.
>>999418
>dude all opinions are just value judgements not with objective value so therefore all opinions have an objectively equal value
Nihilist. You will burn the coming century.
>>999405
You have a poor understanding of human biology, with no academic background in this. Bring real sources or stop talking.
>>999405
>"Fat acceptance" is just the notion that fat people, however you define that term, have the right to be themselves.
But they don't. Obesity is the most preventable disease that costs society the most. Period.
They have an imperative to become not-obese, or take full responsibility for their inevitable healthcare costs. Otherwise they're just burdening other people on their insurance and fellow taxpayers because they won't go jogging for 1 hour every morning.
>>999405
-Very high metabolisms manifest as minor difference and most of the time is due to perception.
- If you can't perform easy tasks without getting out of puff, then you are too fat and are at risk of several severe health problems.
- The difference is that bodymod doesn't cause heart problems.
I am going to bed but I will conclude that your vision is a world without a reason to live. Humans strive and love to achieve, if you look down at your fat body and do not feel the need to change it just to experience health, then you are a lost cause. Your woo-woo utopia will, thankfully, never come to fruition. Hatred, contempt and improvement are part of any human society. You are not a humanist, you seek to model ourselves after beasts simply chasing easy pleasure. I hate you with every fibre of my being and derive much pleasure from the though of you upset in your fat body. I originally wished you would cease this path of destruction, but the more you reveal your weakness and mediocrity, the more I hope you suffer a severely painful and fatal heart attack. I care little that I am providing you with ammunition as I am only concerned with the opinions of human beings who possess a sense of shame.
>>999433
You know that statistically speaking, the choices *you* have made with your body (whatever it looks like) will be disapproved of and found repulsive by someone, right? And I'll bet you don't go around expecting other people to find you attractive, right? That's good - so, like, guess what? Fat people are *the same as you that way* and just don't want to be constantly told how repulsive they are... which in contemporary society seems to be okay to do, if this board is any measure, which I really hope it's not.
>>999456
Just to drive that point in:
>In addition to its serious health consequences, obesity has real economic costs that affect all of us. The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illness are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States.1 Childhood obesity alone is responsible for $14 billion in direct medical costs. Obesity-related medical costs in general are expected to rise significantly, especially because today’s obese children are likely to become tomorrow’s obese adults.2,3 If obesity rates were to remain at 2010 levels, the projected savings for medical expenditures would be $549.5 billion over the next two decades.4
>The direct and additional hidden costs of obesity are stifling businesses and organizations that stimulate jobs and growth in U.S. cities. In the 10 cities with the highest obesity rates, the direct costs connected with obesity and obesity-related diseases are roughly $50 million per 100,000 residents. If these 10 cities cut their obesity rates down to the national average, the combined savings to their communities would be $500 million in health care costs each year.5
>In addition to growing health care costs attributed to obesity, the nation will incur higher costs for disability and unemployment benefits. Businesses are suffering due to obesity-related job absenteeism ($4.3 billion annually). These costs also will continue to rise.6
>>999465
I've personally made very good decisions with my body(was collegiate level mid distance runner) and other people respond quite positively to that.
Sure, being called subhuman because you are fat is mean. But a doctor telling you that your obesity is a health problem or a date turning you down because you're too fat isn't oppression. Basically fat people don't inherently deserve to be looked at the same way in terms of beauty and health standards because they physically aren't.
>>999464
... Um. I'm legitimately impressed. You just told me you literally hate me and want me to die painfully and that hatred is just fine and a normal part of society. And then you say that *my* vision is a world without a reason to live. Maybe you do need to sleep, anon. I hope you dream of happiness, and that you wake up and find it. No, really. Like, if your reason to live is to achieve, then you won, man. I don't even know how to address where you are, but I still think you deserve love and respect. I still love and respect you, to be perfectly honest. Being human is really hard, and you have a lot of stress to deal with. Good luck, anon. I'm like not being sarcastic, either; I don't know if anyone will believe that, but you sort of broke my heart with that post.
>>999492
Assume, just for a moment, that the shape and size of our bodies was as much in our control as our apparent race was. Now, pick a group and replace the word "fat" with that group in your post. What would that sound like? Now recognize that having the choice to "eat healthy" is a mark of economic privilege and that a lot of people really don't get to choose what they eat, and thus don't have nearly as much control over their appearance as you. Are you starting to see the point here? Is it too much of a stretch for you? It's just a thought experiment, so don't get too bent out of shape (no pun intended).
>>999540
>a lot of people really don't get to choose what they eat, and thus don't have nearly as much control over their appearance.
Not that anon, but it comes down to calories in and calories expended. If you have shitty high fat and sugar food that reaches your recommended daily calories (figure out what works for yourself), then just eat less.
>>998258
>Also, where does the 'Marilyn Monroe was chubby' meme come from?
Retarded fats misinterpreting one of her photos in which she was pregnant.
>>999516
I will leave you with one last reply. Your love means nothing, it is unwanted and unfelt. You prove to me again and again that you lack the ability to comprehend what it is I say. I am perfectly content with what I have achieved and am thankful I never had to suffer relations with morbid drains such as you. A good life is one where you feel that you have made a difference and spent it with people worth loving and listening to. You degrade love and respect and make it common. You see why I hate you? You are the enemy of love, the enemy of life and the enemy of true beauty (I'll allow you to completely misunderstand the latter as you inevitably will. The strong and healthy will feel two natural responses to the weak: a desire to make them strong or contempt at their inability to do so. You would seek to foster affliction, you kneel before the altar of sickness.
Marxists should be lined up and shot.
>>999540
>race and fatness are the same thing
But they aren't. Biology only affects body type so far(aside from thyroid conditions that affect 1% of the population). Modern obesity is the result of mass production of high calorie food for cheap. So no, your analogy is invalid.
>>998671
>You don't even see how this kind of thinking leads to people basically spending their entire lives trying to live up to some ideal that, if they even reach, will never be as fulfilling as they thought it would, do you?
Trying to reach an ideal isn't something bad, is it? It can become self destructive, but so can the opposite.
>>999540
Poor people can achieve any body type.
Perfectly healthy, balanced 3 dollar meals exist, they're just less tasty than a healthy 15 dollar meal, or a $3 cheeseburger.
>>997394
>be a woman
>be hungry
>go out
>notice that a few men bring you food
>take the food
>notice that the few men are now even happier
>get hungry again
>the same men bring you the same food
>the same men are happy to see you and that you take their food
>get bored with the food
>get hungry again
>new men bring you new food
>first men get upset for taking the food from the new men
>first men call you a fat foodzie
>you did not even wanted to hurt the first men
>still get hungry
>still the new men bring you food and become happy when you take their food
>carry on until you die
>>997940
Fat isn't attractive
Fat isn't normal
>>999065
>slave Egypt
epic meme
Slaves in Egypt were mainly the poor and very few were actual prisoners of war (most of which were West Asians).
>>998276
Oh Jesus look how obese she is
>>999686
I honestly don't get this "it was depicted, so it was considered attractive" meme. Like I legit don't understand the fucking logic. If an archeologist finds a Lenin statue 2000 years from now, will he think bald semi-mongoloids with goofy facial hair were the pinnacle of beauty?
I could say the Venus statues were depicting ugly women and I'd be no less right than the fat worshippers.
>>999516
please die horribly
not here though, leave your fat corpse over at reddit where it belongs you fat retard
>>999686
>>999706
I think that the fat venus statues might have been showing an appreciation of being fat, in terms of wealth in a way. But the main difference would be that in ice-age Europe it required an immense amount of effort to be successful enough and obtain enough food to actually become fat. where as nowadays it requires no effort to become fat at all.
>>999706
If you knew your art history you wouldn't bring such a weak argument
>>999731
Fuck off femshit.
>>999714
That says nothing about attraction.
>>997940
>I've been from 300 pounds down to 150 and back up to 225
Is the back up to 225 from fat, or muscle?
Seriously, how fucked are your kidneys?
>>999739
Nigger did you even read my post?
>>999714
Opposite.
It requires effort not to be fat.
>>999714
Eh, 40,000 years from now people will be asking similar questions about the Budai statues littered around the world.
It would be difficult for them to guess that he's fat because he's a wandering monk who goes around giving candy to children, and not because he's a symbol of male wealth and fertility.
>>999790
That was my point. Any 'value' attributed to fatness is lost when it becomes easy to achieve.
>>998988
>This condescending fattie
You of all people should know you catch more flies with honey, m8
What with all that fat people hate? I understand that they are kind of disgusting and everything but there are mostly harmless to everyone except themselves. Who cares how many cake ms. Landwhale eats.
>>999869
I'm OK with them. As a former fatass, I like to call bullshit on the body positivity nonsense because it makes a virtue of vice. It's the attempt to shame others into buying into their self serving HAES delusion which is the most obnoxious thing.
You want to eat yourself into an early grave? Fine. Don't then tell me that I'm a bigot or sheep because my pride in what I achieved cuts through your layers of self delusion and makes you defensive. Especially don't invite comment and then moan and groan when those comments aren't universally positive.
>>999869
I don't have a problem with fat men because they usually don't spread their lard-induced entitlement all over the thread. It's the fat women I cannot stand.
>>998392
I've found (through porn) that what I'm sexually attracted to is a much broader category than I previously thought.
Anything that isn't straight up homosex can be sexually stimulating to me.
Even my disliking homosex is probably due to years of Abrahamic teachings and societal pressures. I mean, people used to enjoy fucking men more than they did women, so it's clear that a large part of our sexuality is influenced by society.
https://youtu.be/fX-p9WOZbu4
>>997940
>large women were held as an ideal
No but they weren't beautiful.
Never were they physically attractive.
You're jumping categories and conflating them.
For one to be socially attractive is not the same as being physically attractive.
Universal guidelines to show beauty is just subjective opinion...
I know lots of societies fetishized chubby girls but I don't think fat chicks were ever regarded as the epitome of beauty. There was that ancient totem that we believe to be a fertility goddess depiction, but that doesn't mean she was a standard of beauty, but merely a symbol of fertility. Supposedly, it's all guesses. For all we know it could have been an ancient joke. Haha, look how fat this chick is Og.
>>998302
>While for the skinny ones: Boyish figure, adolescent phyisque, androgynous.
Too bad for them, that only makes my dick harder.
>>999965
you're wrong on the last part, but you sound like a degenerate anyway so i doubt you study.
>>998479
It's ingrained in ourselves to have some kind of standard.
Evolution does not reward complacency and equality.
>>1000245
Me too bugaboo
>>1000303
>Takato Yamamoto
Nice tastes, m8.
>>998355
>There's a big difference between a little boy and a woman, even if she is thin
You take that back, you're hurting my Otōto's feelings
>>999706
c'mon man, Lenin was pretty handsome
