>“He who innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e. Islam] that is not of it will have it rejected [by Allah]”
As a Muslims this causes confusion and conflict inside me. Does this mean Islam can never change and be reformed, and that we have no hope of modernizing
The entire middle east should convert to ibadi islam so they stop being faggots and killing everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi
>The spread of Ibadism in Oman essentially represents the triumph of theology over tribal feudalism and conflict
>Ibadis have been referred to as tolerant Puritans or as political quietists because of their preference to solve differences through dignity and reason rather than with confrontation,[3][10] as well as their tolerance for practising Christians and Jews sharing their communities
>>957151
The middle-east should go back to being Christian.
Islam is a satanic Baal-worshipping moon cult.
>>957151
Mm, nice, very nice
Right now, I'm Sunni but mainly just adhere to the Quran
>>957157
Thank you /his for being so helpful
Op
Reactionary true believers act on the no true Scotsman/takfir fallacy. Non conforming moderate Muslims that are not part of the fifth column are the first in the scope.
>>957193
Could you explain further, that answer only raised more questions
>>957193
Yes, you either have to be far liberal or far conservative, right? Because the only moderates are the ones who do it to be contrariant and act like they're rational and smart, not because they genuinely believe in it?
>>957199
moderate muslims are either hostage or to some degree complicit to islamists. These islamists first clean their own house up and that means even other "less authentic" muslims are targeted and purged. Nothing special here, it's the only way to really have a monoculture as Pol Pot proved. The islam apologists are right about it being a result of gulf state agitation but that doesn't mean we should give deference to it.
>>957157
It's moreso a worship of a fire god.
It sounds pretty metal but Islam is the death of the human spirit.
problem is equally the arabs as it is islam itself
>>957109
This is why committing mass genoce of theists and enforcing anti-theism is the way to go for humanity.
>>957325
>talks about thinga being "metal"
Is this 1994?
>>957364
It's a meme you dip
Let me tell you the difference between the west and the middle east.
Its very simple.
THE FUCKING ENLIGHTENMENT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
>The Enlightenment – known in French as the Siècle des Lumières, the Century of Enlightenment, and in German as the Aufklärung – was a philosophical movement which dominated the world of ideas in Europe in the 18th century. The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy, and came to advance ideals such as liberty, progress, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government and ending the abuses of the church and state.[1][2] In France, the central doctrines of the Lumières were individual liberty and religious tolerance, in opposition to the principle of absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church.[3] The Enlightenment was marked by increasing empiricism, scientific rigor, and reductionism, along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy
Right now the middle east is too ass backwards and controlled by gulf extremists wit oil money for anything to ever change.
>>957386
Tbh rather leave them as they are than infecting them with those French cuckold ideas.
>>957393
>anti enlightenment memer on 4chan
>most likely a monarchist
>calls adherents to the movement advocating personal liberty cucks
>>957406
t. cuck who wants the whole world to be cucks
>>957109
>Does this mean Islam can never change and be reformed
No, it's just a meme pushed by individual schools of thought who, of course, have the perfect form of Islam already. That's why there's all these bracket inserts.
>>957151
>>The spread of Ibadism in Oman essentially represents the triumph of theology over tribal feudalism and conflict
Which is to say it's the only place in the Middle East where Classical Arabic society did not collapse once the Caliphates did, and is the most like 8-10th century Islam in spirit.
>>957151
Isn't their Sultan gay?
>>957393
>liberty and self-governance
>cuckoldry
pick one
>>957109
>Does this mean Islam can never change and be reformed
The Islamic reformation has already happened.
Al Wahhab made Saudi Arabia -where the holiest cities of Islam are- free of heretical innovation, and restored the Tawhid when infidels were worshipping graves and trees.
>not of it
So only Muslims can only reform Islam?
>>957109
If it isnt the quran it doesnt matter
>>957393
Hypothetical scenario: The current monarch, a wise and powerful man, speaker of the ancient and lofty mother-tongue and slayer of your enemies by the sword, sends out a decree that you must allow him to fuck your wife. What do you do?
>>961040
>What do you do?
Not him, but....
Revolt, with popular support from every married guy and moral institution(churches, orgs that fight for rights, etc.) in the country, cuz the king has either turned retarded or insane.
>>957109
it means that innovation is good
except when the improvements are not an improvement of islam.
>a fine tautology indeed
>>957109
That monotheism is broken. Another!
>>961126
Yeah, right.
Spot the cuck on this pic.
>>957325
lol, no. it's a Moon God. Muslims attacked Persia because they thought they were fire worshippers
>>957157
>Baal
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
>>957157
Sure, but the next question is: Which Christianity? Remember that the Monophysites, etc. were persecuted by Constantinople, so much that they preferred the rule of Arab Mohamedan heretics.
