SOCIALIST REALISM
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What if I want a ferrari when the government is giving away honda civics?
shitty forced 'art' that was comprehensively REKT by Bulgakov.
Next.
Realism is pretty boring regardless of politics.
Surrealism is the best leftist art desu.
>>944628
socrealism is a neat idea in some respects but it was overly stifling in it's application.
>>944628
pretty dull and lifeless honestly
the Fascists handled "realist" art much better in that they used the coherent figures to build a scene and push an aesthetic ideal.
Soviet Realism is just really empty and looks like something you'd see in a drab office
>>944628
I hope you're not using that painting as an example of the best that socialist realism has to offer, because if so I feel it is my duty to inform that that is the blandest, most prosaic picture I have ever seen.
I much prefer Soviet Art Deco Modernism famalam
>>944791
What are some examples of fascist realism? Google isn't giving any good results.
>>944679
>>944791
>>946945
>>946959
>>946968
>>947011
Get off this board you bootloving, pro-government freedom-restricting leftist cucks.
And I'm talking more to the pinkos because atleast the fascists aren't complete autists when it comes to economics.
>>947082
>pro-government
>>947131
>m-muh huge taxes
>m-muh government programs
>m-muh minimum wage
>m-muh "free" shit
Normally I'd argue with you over /pol/ but I'm just going to keep it short and sweet like above.
>>947131
I shall also reveal my political identity.
>>947156
>if i put "muh" in front of things i make good argument
>>947166
Wasn't even arguing, I was just stating what you all believe in.
>>947082
freedom is only possible under socialism.
>>947188
You're on a /his/ board, and I'm pretty sure Stalin and Mao would totally agree with you..
>>947156
>what is anarchism
>>947188
Seeing the way "socialist" governments have been for the past century and then some I have to disagree. I don't really see how socialism has done anything to advance personal freedom. Can some socialist ideas help society at large become a more free entity, sure. However, socialism has universally been anti-liberty in all of its iterations.
>>947219
Anarchism is right-wing in its purest form, atleast in American politics.
Besides, I don't support an unstable atmosphere. I rather like a balance of power between the government and the people thankyou very much.
Republics ftw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1qOBy8GzY
>>944628
that pic has a bourgeois and decadent impressionist influence, the painter needs more time in gulag
>>947254
Top fucking kek.
>>947250
>Anarchism is right-wing in its purest form, at least in American politics
>this is what Americans actually believe
>>947310
Yawn.
>>947318
>Claims to be Paleoconservative
>Doesn't know where political left and political right came from.
>Clings to a Jacobin notion of human freedom
Seriously, Nigger?
>>947338
O-oh shit, the goyim found me out. Shut this thread down, mods!
>>947349
Mods, prune this thead, for human freedom can only be experienced by a particular people living in accordance with the customs and collected wisdom of their community.
As the receive law and culture of this board declares that this is not the place to discuss politics, freedom for /his/ requires the intervention of those in power to censor these posts.
>>944636
Even considering the so-called "exotic materials" that go into making a luxury car, the manufacturing cost is rather small. Most of the money spent in "making" Ferraris is research and development, and overhead (fancy offices, staff, designers and engineers whose specialized skills demand a lot of pay). In theory it wouldn't really cost very much more to manufacture a Ferrari than a Honda Civic, and under the form of socialism I favor, R&D would be mostly funded by a decentralized network of communities who decide democratically (not necessarily through elected representatives) whether or not to allow a given firm the resources necessary to carry the task out. If you don't have to pay a huge number of unnecessary staff and give engineers and designers disproportionately high salaries, the real cost of developing a new sports car will decrease prodigiously.
>>947460
>In theory it wouldn't really cost very much more to manufacture a Ferrari than a Honda Civic
Then you know absolutely nothing about automobile manufacturing.
>>947812
I actually do, I have a few friends who have worked in auto repair for decades, and I have done independent research on the subject. Nothing I said was inaccurate.
>>947318
>that layout
>moderate is in scareqoutes
>liberal is closer to authoritarianism
>anarchy is exclusively left or right
>>944628
Why did commies advocate for degenerate art in capitalist countries but beautiful art in commie ones?
Why useful idiot "artists" today are still falling for that even though communism is practically extinct?
>>948479
actually jackson pollock for example was promoted by shady government agencies to discredit the art in the ussr
i still like his paintings though
>>947318
>fascism
>nazi flag
>>944679
>Salvador "Viva la Revolucion Carlista, el Rey, la Patria y la Falange" Dali
>leftist
what?
>>946959
>>946968
Modernism/Futurism/Constructivism are objectively the best aesthetics for an authoritarian system. If I ever become a dictator Im bringing Constructivism back.
>>947318
>fascism
>nazi flag
>liberal means social democrat
>moderate in qoutes for some reason
>anarchy is right wing
Gas yourself
>>948511
It was funded by the CIA to show that the West was a cultural beacon you stupid amerifat
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
>>944628
Dull art for dull authoritarians, like rockwell but more boring
>>944628
it doesnt work
I don't know about this thread but I'm one the polar opposite. (pic related might prerhaps be what you easily bored posters prefer?) OP's pic does a great job in creating the immersion and feeling you get after being done with the work for the day.
I'm no socialist but I don't care the art was meant as some means for political popularity. The fact that Soviet doesn't exist makes the political message void.
The most interesting details to me is that when you look at it seems to express the ideal from inside of the minds of these artists. The lightning is great and there is a lot of detail from a perspective that is now gone. Surely others at the time must have felt inspired by this art.
>>944628
>>949825
holy fuck
that pic
so fucking metal
>>944628
Was socialist realism just realism with often inclusion of a political-figure-of-this-day?
>>944628
>>949825
>what.jpg
Very agitation style. That picture would be nice with name "Rebellion of red titans against American goddess Liberty"
>>944679
Surrealism is for mentally ill people, desu.
>>947082
>left/right political dichotomy is determined by pro-government
Anarchists are right-wing now? Good to know, what else does quality American education have to offer?
North korean realism looks very much like 50s american advertising
>>944679
It's strange how many commies there are in the surrealist movement and other avant-garde movements even though the soviets hated those forms of art.
>>949825
>I never said, "The superman exists, and he's Soviet." What I said was, "God exists, and he's Soviet."
Mexican muralism is bestest leftist art
>>950012
>for not being left-wing enough
they could have coped with him not being 'left-wing enough', what they couldnt realy take was that he was operatively francoist, even if he was never a card carrying falangist as such, but then again he didnt have to be, his stance was rather clear in that it was a surreal twist on being conservative, traditionalist and rather supportive of fascist Spain, and considering his public status people just couldnt accept that and move along
the whole thing was rather immature and ethicaly inconcise from his side, its not even that he publicly gave roman salutes or praised the regime or whatever, its just one of those situations in which the fact one does not distance oneself from something automaticaly means one is supportive of it
>>949886
actualy, it was a attempt to make pictures without making art
art was rather problematic at the time and often made people dissapear
>>949976
I'v never understood the appeal. It's highly stylized, it's not aesthetically pleasing, over abundance of warm tones, don't get why anyone likes it tbqh.
>>949952
...qts
>>944628
You mean it shows the reality of socialism?
>>947318
this is american understanding of politiksss
>>947460
Why would staff and enginners work for lower wage?
The salary is high cause theres a high demand...
The car wouldnt need to improve cause theres no competition. And instead of all the bureaucracy, that costs time and money prolly, pay higher wages by lower taxes.
Why do socialists believe things just "happen"?
>>949825
Wow more like socialist *su*rrealism.
>>949956
At first the Bolsheviks championed DEEP formalist shit. But the movement proved unpopular with the workers because they felt it didn't represent them. So, when socialist realism came they were like 'shite, this is like muh uncle Boris' story, m8!', etc.
The totalitarian government often pampers its masses, so much that workers have no discipline and quality management at all.
>>947821
Lol you're so full of shit.
>>949956
the surrealist ties to the communists were over before socialist realism was a thing iirc
>>950089
he had a completely different idea of surrealism anyway
>>948460
sauce for this pic?
>>947318
Holy shit, that is retarted.
>>947318
I always found this to be a moving painting. It's somehow very sympathetic to Marxism-Leninism, which I never thought could be possible in a painting before I saw this one.
>>947318
quality shitpost image. i think i'm going to save it
>>947082
no anon, you are the autist
