ITT: things that make you rage
>>944262
There were cute bunnies in Baghdad? That's fucking dope.
>this is Ishtar
>pronounced Easter
theists
>>944262
>Romans
>Worshiping Babylonian gods
SHIGGY
This.
Americanproblems.jpg
>Loyalists
>Taxing Colonists for the King's wars is justifiable
>The Confederate States wanting to secede is justifiable
>[Insert State Here] has a unique culture
>>946834
>"Christianity is the root of all problems"
>"Christianity is anti-science"
>The Dark Ages are the fault of Christians, not fucking pagans who destroyed the CHRISTIAN Empire and raided CHRISTIAN Europe.
France not being annexed by Germany yet
>>946858
Most of the Germans that invaded were already Christian.
>the dark ages are a misconstruction
>this means the church literally did nothing wrong ever, Christianity was the only mover of human progress, the medieval era was a time of peace, human advancement and singing kumbayah, and modern society should be a white supremacist theocracy. vote Trump
>>946812
Tip tip
>>946878
The Dark Ages were dark. The most recent superpower and origin of political order at the time had collapse violently and chaotically, with little order remaining except the church, and the warlords that remained.
Christian Europeans, the Islamic World, and Asia were the drivers of human progress. I never stated that the Dark Ages were good, simply that they weren't the fault of Christians.
>>944262
Religious people really Frick me off.
The Protestant "Reformation"
Reddit-tier athiests ruining this board.
>>946858
>>[Insert State Here] has a unique culture
yes, surely Minnesota has the same culture as SoCal.
>>946812
>2768 since the founding of Rome
>not worshipping Jupiter Optimus Maximus
>>946923
Edgy Papists on this board, like the one above
>>946834
It makes me genuinely mad.
>>946878
They were a period of incredible artistic, social and economic development for Western Europe. A very complex, very dynamic and globally significant civilization had its roots in that period. During this period we first see really large cities begin to form in northwestern Europe; especially Northern France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Rhein-Ruhr region in Germany and in England.
>>944262
>tfw retards on facebook sharing this nonsense
>tfw resisting the urge to correct them because i'll look like an autist
>>946858
>Taxing Colonists for the King's wars is justifiable
It absolutely is when the colonists begged the king to protect them.
Hell the majority of Americans at time were either neutral or loyalist so there was no great desire to break free
>>944262
>this is Ishtar
>pronounced Easter
already lost
>>944262
All I can think of is that one YEC Protestant who shitposts all day in every thread derailing it into an atheist vs. theist or Protestant vs. Catholic debate and will deliberately choose to ignore anything the person he's talking to says or deceitfully twist it into something he knows they didn't say.
I'm not sure if he's a troll that's trying to make every theist on the board despised and look foolish (guilt by association), or if he's the real deal. The number of "citations" he gives suggests he's real, but it's always copypasta spam so who knows.
>>946834
>Christian dark ages
kek
>>947825
>I'm not sure if he's a troll that's trying to make every theist on the board despised and look foolish
Somebody needed to pick up the slack now that Constantine vanished.
>>947836
I miss Constantine too
>>947825
>a troll that's trying to make every theist on the board despised and look foolish
Theists don't need help to achieve that, they do it naturally.
>>947778
The Colonists also payed far less taxes than citizens in England, even with the increases from the 7 years war.
>>947768
>tfw you gave the urge to correct what you can, but ancient history isn't your bag, and you know for any objection, you have to be ready for 12 more levels of bullshit.
Christian roleplayers
People who believe the Islamic golden age was anything beyond a bunch of scholars translating stuff from the Greeks, declaring it halal, then shoving these naughty texts in the back of the closet for white Europeans to discover later.
First of all: deluded romeaboos, viking memers, pagan LARPers and /pol/.
>>947984
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you sedentary weakling?
>>946919
*tip*
>>946834
>Not understanding the restoration of the classics by Monasteries
>Not Looking at the technological and mathematical advancements of the East, especially during the Islamic Golden Age (pre Renaissance)
Stop believing this please. As an atheist, I am ashamed of you
>>947984
>People who believe the Islamic golden age was anything beyond a bunch of scholars translating stuff from the Greeks
Holy shit, you're a fedora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
>>946858
>[Insert State Here] has a unique culture
Stop right there you fucking yankee globalist fuck. Fuck off with your pan-Americanism and your collectivist garbage. You are NOT what the founding fathers desired, intended, or foresaw, you are scum.
>>948105
yeah the world was doing so well with rome ass raping them for centuries. atilla did nothing wrong
>>948115
But, the world WAS doing well with rome ass raping them
>>944262
Threads like OP.
>>946834
I love how the creator just put the term "scientific advancement" on the y-axis, like that is a known and measurable variable that doesn't even needs a unit/scale
>>944262
What's wrong with that though?
>>948090
They would never have discovered anything without the knowledge they stole from Byzantium and Persia.
>>948219
that's not how you pronounce ishtar at all
she never had rabbits (and probably not eggs either) as a symbol
assyrians and babylonians were a long fucking time before the romans and had literally no presence during roman times
>>944262
Other than the Ishtar-Easter etymologycal sillyness, what is wrong with this statement in particular?
>>948314
Good read!
>ITT: things that make you rage
Christians who think their religion couldn't have possibly borrowed from any other religions in the region.
>>946906
Hey, that's pretty good.
>>948449
It hasn't.
You're probably some dumb chucklefuck who believes in the Zeitgeist film.
>>948496
But muh akhenaton
>>944262
i have to say i was hoping for a text claiming the easter bunny to be black...
>>947999
do you speak hebrew or aramaic? Have you read all of the gospels, bibles and collected writings of Christianity?
LARPING CHRISTKEK
>>948446
Germanic*
>>948768
Well english anyway, but fair point
>>948496
>It hasn't.
Here's your (You). It is obviously 100% original donut steel, just like every other religion. Any similarities are CO-IN-CI-DEN-TAL.
>>947984
posts that regard cultures as entities
>>948272
And if the wheel hadn't been discovered, we wouldn't have cars.
>>947768
nah, do it
>>944262
Dude, every "Christian" celebration is, at its roots, not fucking Christian.
>>948862
Are you retarded Tippy?
Wouldn't it be confusing for the Romans and Assyrians to all calculate the dates of their holidays using a Jewish calendar?
>>948094
That might be true, but you can bet your ass they also didn't envision a deeply anti-intellectual, quasi-theocratic culture that holds their founding documents as literally sacred.
>>948862
Except for the Sabbath and Passover.
Roman Catholicism is crypto-paganism, this is well known and documented.
>>948984
>Sabbath and Passover
Both are Jewish
>>948987
Christians are spiritual Jews.
Read the Bible.
>>946834
>people in the renaissance era were only a little more advanced than the romans
>>948992
>spiritual
Nice buzzword. Christians are jew heretics.
>>948984
>Roman Catholicism is crypto-paganism,
>Protestants think this is a bad thing.
>>946858
If you don't think some states have a distinct type of culture from others you are a fucking idiot, or just trolling
>>949099
>demons and fallen angels
>not bad
>>949106
I don't think you know what culture means lad.
>>949006
>Christians are jew heretics.
and Mohammedans are heretics from the jew heretics.
>>944262
Get out your hands from Pesach!
>>949137
That looks like an Alucard villain.
>>944262
Broken egg on Easter is symbol of creation of world by God. At least ancient Belarus folk tradition know this custom. Also Broken egg on Easter very near to Big Bang Theory. So this custom is modern and progressive. Glory to Belarus!
>>946834
>>949192
liberal tumblrcuck detected. shouldn't you be at a BLM rally or something?
>>947762
>During this period we first see really large cities begin to form in northwestern Europe; especially Northern France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Rhein-Ruhr region in Germany and in England.
Those """large cities""" would have literally been considered small towns in the Roman Empire. The Dark Ages really were dark, you edgy fuck.
Most places would not reach the same population levels they under the Roman Empire well until the 19th-20th century.
>>948446
>middle-eastern
>literally has the word easter right there
>>948780
>what is ostara
>>949510
This fucking retard
>>949175
>implying bunnies and eggs dont have everithing to do with ressurection
>implying sex and procreaion isnt literaly a phisical way to 'make new again'
>implying all fertility isnt about 'the seed that dies'
>implying yarilo isnt a death-rebith diety that comes bringing spring and is higly sexualised
>implying most death-rebirth dieties dont have a sexual aspect, where ressurection is a allegory of constantly returning life trough reproduction, and sex and reproduction arent a allegory of the rebirth of 'the one' over and over from form to form
>implying fedoras can ever into myth
>>949534
>>implying bunnies and eggs dont have everithing to do with ressurection
eggs, ok.
bunnies? Don't get. I see the sex side, since everyone wants to fug them, but a dead rabbit doesn't come back (after you shit it out).
>>949566
Bunnies are just a symbol of the new life that comes at spring, and spring being a time of rebirth after everything dies in winter.
>People in the Middle Ages thought the world was flat
>people in the middle ages were smarter and more knowledgeable than any human currently alive and could have easily went to space if they wanted to, but they weren't degenerates and were simply content with their virtuous existence in the white aryan utopia. vote Trump
>>944262
The truth makes you rage?
>>946824
Yeah. Semiramis became Isis, and Nimrod became Jupiter. Tammuz is Horus.
>>947825
If you can't handle the bantz, get off the board.
And we're Christians, not "protestants".
>>948984
The papists cannot understand the truth behind this, because their faith is in their church, and this severely undermines their church as a method of salvation.
>>949578
"Arian Christian" = unsaved. lost. heretic.
>>947984
you know halal is basically muslim kosher right
haram is the word youre looking for
but im sure someone with as strong an opinion on the muslim golden age already knew that
>>946834
This image bugs the fuck out of me
>>949891
kek
#rekt
>>946923
For our God is a consuming fire.
- Heb. 12:29
>>949661
Thread is about things we hate, not "can't handle"
>G-Go away meanie ;_;
Kek
>>949578
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ARIANISM
Literally Islam: The Prequel
>>949566
>>949572
thing is people used to take such things in a twofold way, both that the thing, by its form, quality or 'behaior' has a symbolic meaning, and that the symbolic meaning is in a sense a higher reality ebodied in the form itself
or rather, that the symbol is what it repesents, and what is represented is embodied/realised in the symbol
so the entire cicle of birth-death-rebirth, as exemplified by natural proceses etc... stood for the mystical/esoteric/mythical process of birth-death-ressurection symbolicaly, but at the same time that whole meta thing is embodied and manifest explicitly trough the observed physical proces, even if in a crude, 'vulgar' way
those are somewhat pre-christian notions, but the logic has been conserved in customs and rituals all over
>>946834
This shit is so wrong on so many levels it boggles my mind.
First of all, "scientific advancement" is not quantified. There is no quantification given other than "muh feels". Without a quantification you can't put it on a graph and pretend you have values, since you have no fucking unit.
Second of all, even if it was quantifiable, the data is provably wrong (like, really absolutely no advancements for 1 millenium? someone is retarded)
Third of all, that "Christian Dark Ages" is an attempt to direct the blame for the dark ages on christianity due to "muh feels christianity destroyed euroep DDD::::::::"
Oh, and is this supposed to be european advancement? World advancement? Scientific advancement in one square centimeter of Rome?
It' also funny how the eras start as "Egyptian", "Greek", "Roman" - apparently Persia didn't exist, nor did China, nor did the islamic word; the naming scheme hilariously changes direction based on the creator's desire of throwing blame on christianity.
>>944262
Bah...
Fucking implied it's not related to pagan cults, Oestre ir whatever the fuck the name is was the goddess of fertility among Germanic cultures, I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a connection between Ishtar and Oestre
>>944262
Non-Stop Fedora posting in any thread involving atheism. The horse is beyond dead now. Yes, I expect someone to respond with a fedora.
>>949619
Said no one ever.
>>944262
That Henry Ford invented the car, and that the Model T was the first one.
>>946741
It's pretty crazy where you can find rabbits and hares
>>950340
>rabbits in the Falklands
>none in Argentina
IT IS THE WILL OF GOD
>>950394
That map shows them in southern Argentina
>>950427
it also shows them in your moms bedroom
>>950340
Eating anything that grows and running like hell is a pretty good evolutionary basis.
>>949112
so you are retarded.
>>946741
The rabbit that we know is a subspecies of the hare that was native to the Iberian peninsula. It didn't spread to the rest of the world until the Roman conquest. The Assyrians and Babylonians didn't have bunnies, but they probably had hares.
>>949664
>The papists cannot understand the truth behind this
Probably because you all have the same 3 lunatics as sources that are even discredited by athiests for their theohistorical claims AND you are shit at articulating your claims.
Plus you put a lot of faith in your churches being the source of salvation because it's not this particular other church. Plus I put my faith in the church only in terms of authenticity and accuracy, salvation comes from Christ too in Catholicism.
Or do Praurists somehow know more about something they rage against then those who follow it? Because I can rage against Mormon retardation, but only insofar as I make sure I understand what they believe to a T before I say "you are retarded if you think the Chippewa were Jewish."
>>944262
Honest to God, I saw this link being posted around my Facebook quite a few times.
http://cherishthecunt.com/2013/02/10/origins-of-the-word-cunt/
>>949519
>what is the name for the holiday in virtually every other language being derived from the word paschal which refers to the Jewish Passover
>>946834
>>950940
>>950948
>>950775
You're retarded if you think the Catholic church is Christian.
>>950979
What do you even define as Christian?
This triggers the Proto-Indo-European.
>>951348
If only the Finns won
>>946812
>>946834
>>946919
You go out of your way in every thread, and in every topic, trying to get under the skin of any group of people who believe in something. You don't like it? Fine, but keep it to yourself. Otherwise, you're just looking for attention in the worst way.
>>947408
Unfortunately, anonymity is generally used as a way to vent their hatred without the fear of repercussions like in normal life. I've never had someone mock my religion in person. Contrary to what they think, Christians aren't out to ruin the lives of every Atheist. We don't even hate other religions, but they love to think that we are the source of all problems. I don't ever post here, but I'm beyond tired of the smug Atheists running their mouths.
>>951179
A human being becomes a born again Christian, a new creation in Christ Jesus, by saying and doing what is contained in Romans 10:9-10.
Joining the Whore of Babylon does not make a person a Christian. It makes them a Catholic.
>>951561
>You don't like it? Fine, but keep it to yourself. Otherwise, you're just looking for attention in the worst way.
ironing
why are you so triggered bro?
>>951610
All Baptized are Christian.
The Catholic formula of Baptism is "I baptize you in the Name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit." As it is in Protestant formulas. Or is Baptism pointless in your warped view?
Heck, if it's that simple, then why can't a Catholic confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead be saved? For if one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved, why can't one of those "fleeced" Catholics do that and be saved?
If it's that simple, then why does being Catholic matter?
>>951729
>All Baptized are Christian.
Show me that in the bible, and then tell me why everyone who has taken a bath is not saved.
>>951729
>Heck, if it's that simple, then why can't a Catholic confess with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead be saved?
If they do, they become a Christian, and cease being a Catholic. In fact, the catholic church has a name for such people, tacitly admitting that their being a catholic the entire time was for nothing.
>>951729
This is the foundation for what you are asserting:
Acts 22
Saul, brother, look up; and I the same hour did look up to him; and he said, The God of our fathers did choose thee beforehand to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear a voice out of his mouth, because thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard; and now, why tarriest thou? having risen, baptize thyself, and wash away thy sins, calling upon the name of the Lord.
Let's assume for the moment that Ananias was right. Which washed away sins? Bathing? Or calling upon the name of the Lord?
>>951729
>All Baptized are Christian.
John the Baptist was not a Christian, and neither are the groups alive today who still follow him. Baptism is a ritual adopted by the Jews from Pagan Mesopotamia, there is nothing inherently "Christian" about it.
>>946906
Eyyyyy das brety guud
>>948105
there was a societal collapse to a varying extent following the fall of Rome, but you can't really blame that on anything other than the breakdown in the systems that dominated in Antiquity during the 3rd Century Crisis. I'm actually of the opinion that the Medieval period begins at the establishment of the Dominate.
>>948314
Speaking of things that make me rage
>/pol/ logo on an article by a guy that wouldn't give two shits about /pol/, and wrote several more articles that would shit on half the things they believe about history
>>951919
Had to buy a book on layaway. Sounds pretty /pol/ to me.
>>951815
Indeed. In fact, the Jewish baptism that predates John the Baptist was intended to convert Gentiles into Jews, with the secondary use of providing Jews with a new start in which to follow those 613 commandments more perfectly this time.
Roman Catholic Church: You can only be saved if we baptize you in our church. Preferably as an infant.
The lies of a whore.
>>951729
You made the mistake of provoking the angry mob of anti-catholic protestant "m-m-muh tru relijun" idiots. I hope you learned your lesson.
>>952174
Good point. Never lose the lesson. Never be a Catholic.
>>952181
I'm saying that it's pointless to argue what interpretation of an ancient book is the true holy one, but you guys literally live for that, so people should probably be warned about it.
>>951736
Show me where it isn't. If you know the bible so well, shouldn't be any trouble.
>>951745
Yet I still align myself of my own volition.
Primarily over historical precident. Everything Prautists spout about the early church can and is disproven by secular historians who don't care about whether it is true but that its historical. And Prautism isn't.
>>951776
Or D: Calling upon the Lord in a physical act of washing.
>>951815
And then why did Jesus get baptized if baptism had no merit and was pagan and evil?
>>952078
Hey dipshit, we believe all baptism is valid, be it in out church or another.
>>952174
Yeah and? I needed a chuckle from idiots who can't into history, let alone theology.
>>952510
>Yeah and? I needed a chuckle from idiots who can't into history, let alone theology.
They can't be reasoned with (as should be expected from American Evangelicals, I guess).
>>951736
>baptism is the same as taking a bath
I am so mad
>>952078
The Catholic Church does recognize baptism in other churches. If you convert to the RCC and have been baptized elsewhere you don't have to do it again.
>>949664
It doesn't matter where the dates come from, we celebrate Christian holidays about Christ.
>>953450
It depends. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and some Protestant groups do not have legit baptisms.
If it is made in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (with a proper trinitarian understanding of what that means) and involves either pouring or being fully immersed in water then it is a proper baptism.
>>944262
>What's a Prussia? Do you mean Russia?
>>953467
I knew there were some exceptions. Thanks for the examples.
>>946834
yamete kudasai onii-chan, your retardation is hitting my womb
>>944262
I'll take the bait.
>Implying everyone has been speaking English forever.
>Implying the Greek/Latin word for Easter isn't Πάσχα/Pascha.
>>953476
You really should say Preußen you pleb.
reign of Zygmunt Vasa over Poland
literally everything went wrong because of him
>>946834
Where is the extended version of this which includes civilisations like Atlantis and even ealier mythical civilisations?
>>948819
Point is the "Islamic" Golden Age had nothing to do with Islam at all, despite the fact that it's often cited as proof that Islam wasn't always barbaric.
Byzantium and Persia were the center of science and education in the Early Medieval world, then Muhammad rolled through and converted everyone to Islam and things continued as they were.
>GOLDEN AGE
>IT WAS ISLAM!
lel
>>950340
Australia didn't have rabbits or hares at all until they were imported, right?
>>955088
Correct. Canines either.
>>955088
They had no non-marsupial mammals, so no.
Taking the topic off of religion
http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/post/57738166296/hayleyquinnx-geekquality-shoreofmysoul
Most of the 'legit' history blogs on tumblr either endorse or fear to criticize any of this despite the fact the sources are all speculatory Victorian clap-trap (ironically extremely racist too) or 'we wuz' Nation of Islam nonsense
>>955104
Not exactly. Dingos somehow made it to Australia a few thousands years ago and wiped out all the native dog like marsupials.
So they are native, depending on your definition. But no one knows how they really got there.
>>946834
Fuak this is tip top bait friend well done I'm impressed especial since the roman contribution is larger that the greek
>>946858
>[Insert State Here] has a unique culture
Have you never been to the united states? Itncould be argued that there's more culturla diversity than in all of Europe.
>When people say the middle east has been at war for "thousands of years"
t. Majored in Middle Eastern History
?When people say the USSR was communist
t. Favorite professor was Russian historian and versed in Marxist theory, talked about the Frankfurt school in a way that wasn't cultural Marxism, favorite person was CLR James
When people don't read Marx and Hegel and try to say they understand history/think it's useless
t. Historical Materialist
>>955140
Not him, but Canada has the same culture except they put gravy and cheese curds on fries
Also generally it falls into the same culture as all the other Anglos. Straya and NZ also are pretty diverse.
>>952235
It's pointless for you, because you have no guide, no sense of discernment. But just because it's pointless for you does not make it pointless for everyone.
>>952510
Get bathed, get saved, the post.
>>953450
So, one bath per lifetime. Got it.
>>953456
You celebrate pagan holidays around your imagination of Christ.
>>947909
d'struggle
>>952510
>Show me where it isn't. If you know the bible so well, shouldn't be any trouble.
>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.
>-Ephesians 2:8-9
>The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
>-1 Peter 3:21
>That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
>-Romans 10:9
>Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
>-James 2:18
Not him, but the Bible repeatedly says that it is faith alone that saves you not baptism or any physical works. Even when you're being baptized it is your faith and belief that is the important part, not necessarily the baptism (see the verse of 1 Peter). Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change, pretty much all works are. They outwardly show you the faith you posses. (James). But it is belief/faith that saves you, not being put under water.
This stupid little fucking exclave. You could have at least given to Lithuania or something, you greedy Commie shits.
>>955682
>implying Lithuania would want 1 million Russians
>implying this piece of land isn't most militarized point in Europe
>implying Russians will ever give it away
>>955173
>what is ritual use of tangible realities to express a point that Christ himself participated in
Why was Jesus baptized if Baptism isn't important?
>>955698
There weren't 1 million Russians there when the USSR annexed it though.
>>955698
Didn't they offer it to Germany?
>>955567
No shit that Faith saves, but it is faith THROUGH WORKS that we are saved.
I mean, you cited James 2. FUCKING JAMES 2.
>What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
>If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food
>and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
>Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
>But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
>You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
>But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
>Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
>And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
>You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only
Seriously, the verse you cited is surrounded by declarations of "just saying 'I believe in the saving power of Jesus' doesn't save you because even the Father of Lies, Satan, believes in the saving power of Jesus AND IT ENRAGES HIM."
We are physical and spiritual, thus we must work and believe.
>>955725
Are you kidding me?
You think Jesus needed to get baptized in order to be saved?
>>944262
>Linear A and B are not decyphered
>Mongolians destroyed the library of Baghdad
>Heinrich Schliemann bombed his way deep into what he thought was Troy
>Recent african origin of humans used as /pol/
>Tamerlane destroying everything in front of his path
>ISIS destroying what could be traces of ancient civilizations
>No clear traces of sea peoples
>No other important civilizations in America different from barbaric aztecs and lame incas
>Islamic expansion during centuries
>>955755
>faith THROUGH WORKS
Nope.
Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Stop boasting. You're not even saved.
>>955755
>Satan, believes in the saving power of Jesus AND IT ENRAGES HIM.
He doesn't, actually, as there is no plan of salvation for angels.
Have you ever read the bible?
>>955769
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, what purpose did His Baptism serve if not to make it a Sacrement of renewal and salvation?
>>955791
We cannot save ourselves through our own power, but God gave us sacrements that through them we call upon His Power to save us.
>>955793
That's not the point of what James was saying.
The point was "your idea is BS because even these absolutley evil beings that cannot be saved profess that Jesus is Lord and He died to save mankind from sin, and that is because they had their chance to be faithful through faith and works by serving God in the beginning but some refused, and likewise, we must believe and work for our salvation. Faith without works is dead."
They had no need for salvation because they aren't temporal and saw and knew God in His Fullness as soon as they came into being. They still refused to work while still keeping their faith. They know God is real and know He saves mankind, but they hate that and show it through their lack of works i.e. disobediance and deliberate subterfuge.
The Holy Angels believe and work obediantly for God.
>>955851
>I'm saying, what purpose did His Baptism serve if not to make it a Sacrement of renewal and salvation?
What does the bible say? Oh, yeah, that's right, you can't read the bible. It's in some sort of mumbo jumbo symbol metaphor allegory to you.
Matthew 3:14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
Gee, it doesn't seem like Jesus needs to be baptized by John at all. Hmmmm.....
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
Ahhh, some need to fulfill all righteousness.
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[c] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Hey look! The reason! To identify the Messiah!
>>955851
>but God gave us sacrements
He did not. Your church gave you those "sacraments", and they are abominations before a holy God. Utter abominations.
You are so wrapped up in this idea that God owes you something for your "work".
Tell me, what does God owe you?
How does your "work" make Him better off?
>>955099
>white girl with ginger hair
>person of colour
>>955793
Maybe not for himself, but he does believe it exists and works. That is what he hates.
And you act as though just believing is all that matters. Which it isn't. If belief only mattered, why did Abraham sacrifice Isaac if he already believed in God? Why did enslaved Israel mark their doors with blood if faith was all they needed to avoid the death of their firstborn? Heck the hemmoraging woman that touch Jesus and was healed already had faith that touching Him would heal her but wasn't healed until she preformed the work of touching Him. Her faith, as evidence by her action, save her. Our faith, by evidence of our sacrements, save us.
>>955869
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Do you believe the bible?
>>944262
When people act like all of Greece was like Athens.
Especially since I see a lot of people on this board do it.
>>955869
>And you act as though just believing is all that matters.
That's what God says, yes. Believe/Trust/Obey
>Which it isn't.
It is is God says it is.
>If belief only mattered, why did Abraham sacrifice Isaac if he already believed in God?
Abraham was already found righteous by God for believing that God would raise Isaac from the dead, if need be, in order to fulfill His promise of Isaac fathering many peoples.
>Why did enslaved Israel mark their doors with blood if faith was all they needed to avoid the death of their firstborn?
To foreshadow the blood that had to be shed for the forgiveness of sins, also on a Passover.
>Heck the hemmoraging woman that touch Jesus and was healed already had faith that touching Him would heal her but wasn't healed until she preformed the work of touching Him.
Faith flows into action.
>Her faith, as evidence by her action, save her.
God saved her, because of her faith.
>Our faith, by evidence of our sacrements, save us.
Your sacraments are an abomination to a holy God.
>>955857
>His Baptism, our baptism
>the Last Supper, our Eucharist
>Pentacost, our Confirmation
>50% of Him ministry, our Announting of the Sick
>John 20:21-23, our Reconciliation
>appointing the 12 as his disciples and instructing them to go out and do as He did, our Holy Orders
And finally the Sacrement of Matrimony, but that self evident throughout the Bible's use of marriage and reverence of it along with Jesus denouncing divorce. Or do Protestants just not get married?
>>955890
What does God owe you?
How does your work enrich Him?
>>955880
Belief through action.
Take up your across and follow me.
If I just professed I believe in Jesus' saving power, but do nothing with that fact beyond saying I'm saved and do nothing with that, just treating it like a button on a lapel, barely talking or thinking about it, am I saved?
No, for we must act. We must work to profess. We perform sacrements to declare "as Christ declared 'This bread is my Body' and that He is the Bread of Life that those who eat of are saved, I put faith in that this bread is truly His Body and if I eat it I am saved."
Your faith is shallow, only words. Mine is deep, it is words and action.
>>955894
Oh god, you're a Calvinist aren't you?
>>955913
>If I just professed I believe in Jesus' saving power, but do nothing with that fact beyond saying I'm saved and do nothing with that, just treating it like a button on a lapel, barely talking or thinking about it, am I saved?
What does the bible say?
Romans 10
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Who do we know is saved, for sure?
Luke 23
Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Go ahead and tell me what your Jesuit masters told you to say when it's pointed out that quite clearly the thief on the cross next to Jesus was saved by his confession, having never been baptized, and doing no "good works".
>>955914
No, don't be insipid.
>>955913
>I put faith in that this bread is truly His Body and if I eat it I am saved."
As did every pagan religion before yours.
Eat God, Be God.
Abomination.
>>955857
Hey jackwad, it's not that He owes us, but we owe Him.
He is a restaurant manager who gave out payment to several people before they even were hired and did not earn that money, but he wanted them to have it because he does not want to see people without jobs. So out of gratitude they work for him.
The "Faith doesn't need works" crowd take the money and run. "Who cares" they say, "about works? I don't need that, I have my reward. Those who work are fooled, as all they need is to accept and they have what is Good!"
>>955935
>Eat God Be God
>this faggot again
Where in ANY CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, OR ORIENTAL DOCTRINE does it say we ascend to Godhood by eating the Eucharist?
Or better yet, name 5 different Medditeranian-and-surrounding-area religions that had a "eat gods and become gods" ritual or doctrine that is recorded by secular anthropologists and historians.
>>955885
>That's what God says, yes. Believe/Trust/Obey
And make an outward sign of that through actions professing that belief trust and obedience.
>It is is God says it is.
Anyone can believe, those who truly believe will act upon it.
>Abraham was already found righteous by God for believing that God would raise Isaac from the dead, if need be, in order to fulfill His promise of Isaac fathering many peoples.
And where was this? Where did he believe God would raise up Isaac after death? I was always under the impression that, like many other sacrifices Abraham would've been aware of, the sacrificed stayed dead. Even if they were human. So he willingly accepted that his only son would stay dead like other sacrificed humans did. He put his faith, his fidelity, his obediance in God by offering up his son as a sacrifice like he was commanded to do, only saying "God will provide a lamb" to try and white lie his way out of telling Isaac "oh, God told me to kill you."
>To foreshadow the blood that had to be shed for the forgiveness of sins, also on a Passover.
Yes, but in that instance in biblical history what point did it serve to those doing it?
>Faith flows into action.
Into actions that we perform, actions we call sacraments, from the Latin sacrementum meaning Sacred Oath, that we do as an outward sign of our inner faith.
Hey, guess what! That's EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME. Only as an American Evangelical Prostestant you don't care as long as you can scream about how historically authentic your beliefs are when secular historians have debunked them for decades.
>God saved her, because of her faith.
That she expressed through her action. Her work. She could've just sat at home and believed all she wanted, but in the end, she acted and was saved by her faith through the action.
>Your sacraments are an abomination to a holy God.
Because? Have you ever witnessed them or listened to any words said therein? They are all about God.
>>955940
Way to completely miss the parable about the day laborers, and turn it into some sort of Jewish shitfest.
>>955957
The dude I quoted literally said it. Follow the quote back.
If he believes the cracker is God, and eats it, he will be saved.
Eat God, Be God. nom nom nom.
>>955957
>5 different Medditeranian-and-surrounding-area religions that had a "eat gods and become gods" ritual or doctrine that is recorded by secular anthropologists and historians.
Like many of the beliefs and rites of Romanism, transubstantiation was first practiced by pagan religions. The noted historian Durant said that belief in transubstantiation as practiced by the priests of the Roman Catholic system is "one of the oldest ceremonies of primitive religion." The Story Of Civilization, p. 741. The syncretism and mysticism of the Middle East were great factors in influencing the West, particularly Italy. Roman Society From Nero To Marcus Aurelius, Dill. In Egypt priests would consecrate mest cakes which were supposed to be come the flesh of Osiris. Encyclopedia Of Religions, Vol. 2, p. 76. The idea of transubstantiation was also characteristic of the religion of Mithra whose sacraments of cakes and Haoma drink closely parallel the Catholic Eucharistic rite. Ibid. The idea of eating the flesh of deity was most popular among the people of Mexico and Central America long before they ever heard of Christ; and when Spanish missionaries first landed in those countries "their surprise was heightened, when they witnessed a religious rite which reminded them of communion...an image made of flour...and after consecration by priests, was distributed among the people who ate it...declaring it was the flesh of deity..." Prescott's Mexico, Vol. 3.
>>956039
You papists seriously need to check yourselves.
God says "this".
You say "this plus this".
It's a fucking abomination to think you're eating Jesus and drinking His blood!
>>956039
>Where did he believe God would raise up Isaac after death?
In this thing called the bible.
Hebrews 11
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18 of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,”[d] 19 concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
>>956078
>using Jewish like this
Go back to /pol/.
And I'm not missing the point, I'm adressing a seperate point in a similar way.
>>956084
>saved
>this means becoming divine
By your expert logic, saying "I believe Jesus has saved me through sin and death through his sacrifice on the cross" and being saved that way is also a way to become God
"Proclaim God, Become God," if you will.
Get a better argument.
>>956087
>goes on to talk about Mexican Aztec ritual
>this is proof that Catholics believe that eating the Eucharist ascends you to godhood even though it had been over a millenium before any Catholic ever set foot in Mexico somehow
And yet that's only ONE source that doesn't actually cite anything else is supposed to be respected.
What were these near-Eastern religious rites? What were these religions of the near-East that believed you would ascend to godhood by eating a god?
Also, try a source from this century. That "Osiris cakes that WERE Osiris" is a fabrication of Egyptomania in the same vein as "the accounts of Jesus were just aped from myths about Horus."
>>956090
Because? If he is the Bread of Life, why is it immoral? Because some faggot Scot tried to make up a history about what heinous pagans Catholics are even though every account of that "pagan history" is debunked by actual historians? Or even if they do buy it, they connect Protestants back to it as well?
No Prautist can argue with the second chapter of St. James Epistle, so they needed to obliterate it.
Faith without works is hollow.
>>956103
That's Hebrews, I'm talking about Genesis. Where in Genesis did Abraham know that?
>>950340
This map is bullshit. Rabbits on the sahara? No rabbits in argentina and chile? dafak did i hunt then
>>955098
>what are bats
>what are monotremes
>lol horus and jesus are the same xD
>>955115
There are ZERO (0) Dingo remains in Australia that predate Human remains, what do you think happened?
>>951561
To be fair on this site there are religious folk, or maybe just memespouters, who are just as bad.
It gets really grating after a while when you can't say you don't believe in supernatural phenomena, or think it's silly to, without people immediately responding with le hat joke.
But then, I don't have a problem with making fun of people just for being religious at all, so maybe I can't really complain.
I still don't consider myself militant though, and don't think people should assume atheists, even insulting ones, are deluded r/atheism neckbeards any more than they should assume
religious people are obnoxious, uneducated rednecks. It really annoys me whenever people try to misrepresent their opponent's argument or character honestly.
>>946812
You're a padawan learner
>>957031
Indeed
>>>/x/17562763
This makes me rage
>>>/x/17562763
>>955755
Actually you're wrong here too
It's "faith through works" It's through faith AND works we're justified, and through GRACE we are saved. this is catholic doctrine
>>956087
The only one I'll give you is haoma. Because Zoroastrianism and Catholicism are the same religion.
>>957481
>Zoroastrianism and Catholicism are the same religion
>I know nothing about Zoroastrianism or Catholicism: The Post
>>955172
It's pointless for everyone, because you're bound to insert your own biases to the (extremely old and many times recompiled, altered, and translated) text (that was written by many different people from different cultures in vastly different times) that even if this god really existed, assuming that your own interpretation is the only true one and that the others' isn't is just a delusion.
>>958215
Catholics argue from historic authenticity, that we are right because our beliefs have historical presence in the early Church. We don't argue we have the right interpretation just because, but that ours is older therefor closer to the early Christians.
The Prautistic claim are more like what you're talking about.
>>946812
Is that Jesus doing a buddhist mudra?
>>958418
>outer singularity
>not metachaos
https://youtu.be/2UPUhn9hpTU
>>958606
In Orthodox Iconography, that gesture is a Christogram representing the Trinity and so on and so forth.
>>951610
Literally pseudo Christian mysticism. 'say these magic words to get to heaven lest ye be the whore of Babylon, eheheheh.'
>>950038
/thread
>>946878
>using the term 'white supremacist' as a perjorative
>ever
hope you're not white, or else i'll just feel sorry for you since you're a cuck.
>>947896
The American Revolution was the result of big money merchants taking political control.
The US hasn't changed at all since.
America was born out of the stupidity of its colonists, and today it retains its stupid people stereotype.
>>955140
>Itncould be argued that there's more culturla diversity than in all of Europe.
Not remotely. A couple different accents from a few different regions, in a country full of racist, obese, Christian zealots doesn't make the cut.
>>955144
Politically Canada is nothing like the United States. I've lived in both Canada and Europe, and I've visited the US multiple times, and I have good handfuls of friends from all three mentioned. Even Americans will agree Canada is more like Europe. If Canada wasn't speaking English but rather say French, we wouldn't make any Canada-America comparisons.
>>949520
Not him but what constitutes a large city in terms of population didn't really change until the 16th century or so. The sizes of the bigger cities of antiquity and the one of the middle ages aren't all that different.
Atheists.
>>955883
The Greeks do it all the time. They're East Romans who've been uncultured by Turks but they all think they're Athenians.
>>958267
Wouldn't the Greek orthodox church be the oldest one?
>>956992
>uneducated rednecks
For some reason when I search for this stereotype
>southern potlucks
>trailer park BBQ
>tail gating outside of a highschool game
I always find stimulating intelligent conversation but in the terms of the common man.
The redneck is truly one of the enlightened class.
This isn't to say that one will never find an idiot among them for there are fools among all.
However rednecks tend to spout some of the most profound sentiments of our age, they are disguised as ignorant babbling since it is cloaked in the terms of the layman.
For the discerning mind, the redneck is seen truly as a most intelligent being.
>>957083
The Osiris is like Jesus claim.
I have read the stories of both and I must tell you that they can't be more different.
The only similarity is a god raising someone from the dead.
There is no correlation aside from that, no grand battle of the gods, no cleansing from sin, etc, they share nothing aside from one concept which is found within almost every piece of ancient literature.
Its kind of funny what gets spread on the internet, and then I also get annoyed.
>>946747
>mentions it again in the second last line
It would actually be half believable without that shit
>>957036
>power without is virtually and therefore of
>perception useless no true
>VALUE
>>946834
>>947984
>Being this autistic
Absolutely Haram.
>>948971
WE WUZ FOUNDING FATHERS N SHEIT
>>950340
>There are places in the world were there aren't cute bunes
What a sad, sad life.
>>951610
The only solution to prevent establishment is to replace the current establishment every 100 years ensuring salvation for everyone except the leader of the establishment whose sacrifice will get him into heaven.
>>955099
Medievalpoc is the definition of reaching.
>>956280
Why would Abraham believe his son would be resurrected in Hebrews but not in Genesis?
Not to mention that the Bible is not in chronological order for its entirety.
>>948971
>literally sacred
Foreigners being retarded as usual. It's the law of the land. Americans get pissed when people try to circumvent the constitution because IT'S THE LAW.
There is a set legal process for modifying the constitution and it has been used dozens of times.
>>948088
>islamic golden age
>burned more books than any society before or since
