Slavs like to think that they are direct descendants of Scythians, Sarmatians, Khazars or any other nomadic people of former Northern Persia.
...well, are they?
>>942675
The modern peoples of eastern europe are mostly descended from stone age tribes
>>942675
>Slavs like to think that they are direct descendants of Scythians, Sarmatians, Khazars or any other nomadic people of former Northern Persia.
>...well, are they?
More like do they?
>>942675
They are closely related to them, but not their descendants.
No.
>>942701
He meant it as in "are they descended" not "do they think" ffs Charles get your shit together
>>942675
They are.
Which explains why they can't live in civilization and are violent cunts like their Steppenig ancestors.
>>942675
The real question is why did they stop doing it?
>>943030
doing what
>>942675
No. They just want to claim that ancestry over a bunch of nobody tribal slavs who they really come from.
>>942675
They've squandered that heritage, if true. They've accomplished less than even mudslimes.
>>943228
Being Steppeboos?
>>942675
No, not directly. The Iranic steppe nomads were largely assimilated into existing populations genetically. Their cultural heritage lives on in part.
The same is true for every European population. The French aren't descended from the Franks, the Irish are not descended from Celts, etc.
The general genetic make-up of populations of Europe hasn't changed since late Stone Age.
>>942692
Unlike the Scythians who fell out of the trees straight onto horseback.
>>943612
No.
They built a the first chariot first and caught a horse for this purpose and then went mobile. Scythians never trust the ground.
>>943621
They built chariots before they rode horses?
Nah
>>943632
Yes. The first domesticated horses are fucksmall.
>>943640
No man you are wrong. The horse was domesticated and ridden 1000 years before chariots were invented. They were small but still ridable.
>Slavs claim to be descended from Scythians and Khazars
What the literal fuck? No we don't.
And Sarmatism was just a Polish thing centuries ago, nobody believes in it anymore.
>>942975
Only Russians and Serbs are violent cunts. Czechoslovaks are the biggest pussies and pacifists on the continent.
>>943659
Hungarians also claimed descent variously from Scythians or Huns, as did Ukrainians.
Also, there are semi-serious theories that the names of Serbs and Croatians come from Sarmatian tribes. Doesn't mean they're directly descended from them though, cf. Bulgars and Bulgarians.
>>943721
Hungarians are not Slavs, they are Magyars.
>>943721
>I get all of my information from internet forums
>>943727
The other anon said that it was a Polish thing only. I replied that no, Hungarians did it as well. I didn't say Hungarians were Slavs. Maybe I should have been clearer about that.
>>943665
They're basically germans though
>>943727
Are we talking genetics or culture and linguistics?
>>942692
They why aren't they brown skinned blue eyed like the original Hunter-gatherers?
>>944400
>hunter-gatherers
Evolutionist detected.
>>942675
Only Slavics that believe they might have Iranic ancestry are Croatians and Poles I believe.
>>944402
So the San and Jarawa people aren't Hunter gatherers? Go away.
>>944405
Russians babble about it constantly, in-between calling themselves vikings
First off, there are no "slavs".
Second off, i have a certain amount of eastern nordid blood in me too, and no middle eastern heritage whatsoever a the same time, so no, this retarded pan-slavist theory is of course extremely fucking incorrect
>>944357
>Germans
>non-violent
>>944734
They generally don't, you just read too much shit on imageboards and anthronerd forums.
>>944400
>I know the skin colour of people who lived in pre-history!
>>945340
Light skin is a recent development
>>945340
There was a 7000 year old DNA sample from a hunter-gatherer European, and he had brown skin, dark brown hair, and blue eyes. Light skin is recent in Europeans.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as slavs, are in fact, ruthenians/eastern germanic descendants of kievan rus, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, east nordids.
Slavs are not a race unto itself, but rather another component of the ethnogenesis of the scandinavian norse germanic people from the migration of the peoples and onward, made historically relevant by the kievan rus settlements in Gardariki by the norsemen who traveled down the Volga and founded both Russia and Ukraine before being christianized by the byzantine empire.
Many eastern germanics speak the artifical glagolithic church language invented by the greek monk Cyrill, which is where the term cyrillics stems from. Before that, they spoke old norse and revered pagan germanic gods.
All the so-called "slavs" are really descendants of eastern germanics. There is objectively no argument to be made against this historical fact.
Thanks for reading, and please refer to them as "eastern germanics" next time you make a "slav" thread.
>>949392
Kek the Slawenlegende Kraut made it to /his/? I remember reading your wall of texts years ago on Krautchan.
>>949408
>Oleg
What
>>946361
WE
>>949400
>your
anon, i have some news for you
there are literal thousands of us
and from those thousands
a sizeable number enjoy a good copypasta
>>942675
>former Northern Persia.
Scythians and Sarmatians roamed Eastern Europe, they were the precursors of cossacks, more or less. Khazars were Northern Caucasus, and Turkic.
They probably share some lineage, however minor, 2bh
>>943650
Look it up, you are wrong on this. It is much easier to tie a mini wagon to a horse than to try and ride a wild animal without stirrups, reins etc
>>949392
>artifical glagolithic church language invented by the greek monk Cyrill
This retard again.
>>944368
>slavic genetics
>a thing
>>944400
>They why aren't they brown skinned blue eyed like the original Hunter-gatherers?
>>946853
>There was a 7000 year old DNA sample from a hunter-gatherer European, and he had brown skin
>>949392
>Slavs are not a race unto itself, but rather another component of the ethnogenesis of the scandinavian norse germanic people
>>942675
Western Slavs are Eastern Germanics(Suebi, Goths, Vandals, Lombards) mixed with Sarmatians.
Eastern Slavs are bunch of mudfuck bastards and rapebabies of the Mongol tribes with additional barbarian Finnish DNA, which makes them so subhumanish and violent.
>>950099
Also, it wasn't Slavs that thought they're Sarmatians/Scythians but Herodotus said so. He also said they're Thracians.
Germanic schoolars and chroniclers before German Empire memed about Poles being Vandals. It was common in literature.
It wouldn't be far from the truth according to genetical studies that were made. They were always different than the rest of "Slavs".
>>943665
What about Belarus? Also Czekhs are barking cunts, Slovaks are nazi asslickers (Tiso).
t. inhabitant of Moravia
>>950150
>>943246
Russians were the first to send a man to space so that counts.
>>950151
Belarusians is what happens when Western culture meats Eastern one.
For centuries they've been under Poland, they adapted a lot and spoke their own special language. Well, not anymore. Since partitions of the Polish state they started speaking Russian instead of their own. Their culture also died out.
>>950163
Russians were also the first to slaughter their own kin.
In medieval times, they already had special "police" that murdered the opposition. This is what happens when you have a lot of Finno-Ugric admixture.
>>950164
meets*
Also, communism fought off all the cultures, trying to create one.
>>950172
>first to slaughter their own kin
>what are Celts
>what are Norsemen
>>942675
we realy dont tho
every slavic people has a bunch of ideas about 'who/where they hail from', scythians/sarmatians are sometimes taken as part of the overall mix of peoples that slavs emerged from as a group, especialy since some theories place the whole thing in present day ukraine, but definitely no one thinks khazars, they are quite distinctly 'other'
individual nations have diverse ideas raging from iranian to gothic hypotesis, avars, ilirians, huns are all mentioned, round after round of haplogroup surveys are discussed, tons of identification with these 'original' people or that, attempts at tracing migrations and return migrations, and most of it is radher shitty science wise since it changes every decade depending on how the ideological wind is blowing
>>950172
wow ancient Greeks, Chinese and Japenese were Russians? Because they sure as fuck did a lot of kin killing.
>>950185
But not en masse.
You know how Moscovians became heirs of Kievan Rus? They slaughtered the original people of Rus.
It's a Russian tradition to kill their own. Look at death toll of Russian battles and how many people they lose in each one.
No fucking Slav claims he is a descendant of any steppe nigger in this day and age you are few centuries off with this meme lad.
>>950225
Yes and genetical studies show the connection to the old Europeans.
Which would mean that not the whole Europe was "germanic" like pangermanists would want it to be.
What's with all this anti slavic sentiment on /his/?
And no we have fuck all to do with Scythians, Sarmatians or any other nomadic tribe.
>>950338
Please tell us, what is your opinion, who are the slavs?
>>950338
>What's with all this anti slavic sentiment on /his/?
Because they're germanboos, muh heritaj 1/67 prussianpro masterrace.
Show them the facts and see them go full spastic.
>>950347
/int/ is a banter they shittalk everyone on /his/ it seems like legit hate hell I remember making a thread about maces without mentioning any nationality at all and someone still managed to put an anti Slav statement into it
>>950360
I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>942675
>Slavs like to think that they are direct descendants of Scythians, Sarmatians, Khazars or any other nomadic people of former Northern Persia.
Wut?
It was the Poles that claimed they're Sarmatians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
>>950412
It was only polish nobles who claimed they are Sarmatians average chickenshit peasants were just considered polish and nothing else.
>>943721
we're iranians not sarmatians
t.croat
>>942675
Then who again are the Schytians, Sarmatian, Khazars and other nomadic peoples of former Northern Persia?
I think slavs lived in humble small villages like the Germanics, very much cut off from the rest of the world by enormous virgin forests. There was still vast arable land to clear for farming at the time Rome expanded. They were most probably their own people, and of course, people came, they expanded. Now later along the history you have a bunch of different ethnicities living close by the slavs.
>>950473
Supposedly there were found Roman mass grave bones in Western Ukraine.
Slavs from the area now known as Ukraine not from any fucking iranian tribe.
>>950490
Modern Slavs are a mixture of literally every random ethnic group.
>>950498
I'm a 100% nigger and so is everyone in my country
t. Croat
>>950490
They magically appeared in 4-5th century AD, right?
>>950522
Yeah Iranian tribes who didn't even affect the culture of people who supposedly descend from them are a more plausible theory I also heard Slavs are part Japanese as well.
>>950541
Lies.
We came from space and pushed off germanic barbariniggers, then settled in Eastern Germany and Poland.
>>950551
Pole spotted.
>>950563
u mad whiteboi?
>>950569
I'm Slavic myself, just find it amusing that it's always Poles who are terminally assblasted about Germans. The rest of us don't feel antagonistic towards them.
>Slavs are germanic
Where did this meme originate?
>>950583
Slawenlegende. Some German made up that theory.
>>950578
Maybe because we created the Prussian tumor that wass assblasted about us and later ate half of Europe.
Germanshits always plotted against us. They always felt inferior and hated us. They kicked us so badly with their Russian fucktoys that we can't recover to this day.
>>950583
In 1068 Bremen.
We came from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afP71xwLI8Y
>>950600
>>>/krautchan/
>>943721
The thing with steppe sonfederations is that they almost always include several ethnic groups so it's possible that there were some slavic tribes among the "sarmatians"
>>950662
here we go with slav(e) theory
>>950674
What?
>>950674
Are you illiterate?
>>950674
No you fucking idiot.
Take the Scythians in what is now the Ukraine, for example, had under their confederation, Proto-Slavs who paid them much needed grain but in turn protected them from raiders n shit. Kek, they sometimes fought as infantry for the Scythians.
Steppe Nomad "States" are literally a bunch of tribes agreeing to follow this one tribe/war leader due to the protection he can give him or rich rewards he can dole.
>>950691
You just pulled that out of your ass.
>>950691
No there is not. There is a theory that they were slaves to Romans.
>>950717
So were germanickeks.
>>950717
everyone was slaves to romans
>>950674
>>950691
Not necessarily. With eastern Sarmatians like Alans you have several burials of people with Asiatic and Europoid features alongside one another, with no visible difference of status.
With the Kypchak-Cuman confederation you had Turkics together with Europoids.
Then the Magyar were Finno-Ugric steppe nomads who had a lot of influence of Turkics, brt weren't their slaves.
It's perfectly reasonable that some of the Sarmatians were Slavic without being lower in status than others.
Then you have evidence in Herodotus of some Scythians being sedentary populations of farmers. Those might have been Slavs, but again, it's not clear that they were lower in status than other divisions mentioned, while obviously being subservient to Royal Scythians.
>>950847
There were also the Budini who might have been Finno-Ugrics as well
>>942675
Poles and clean ethnic Russians are geneticly closest to Scythians out of all modern nations. So i guess yes they are.
>>951227
>Budini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenni
>>951306
Heres is a map
>>951306
>clean ethnic Russians
All 5 of them?
>>951306
>ethnic Russians
cmon now.
>>942675
Nope, Scythians were Sarmatians and Iranic peoples. Khazars were Turkic. Slavs are neither.
>>942675
So who are they?
They don't have a fancy story like "germanics" and yet in no time they own eastern and half of Southern Germany.
How so?
>>954165
We came from another dimension anon.
>>954215
This, Slavs just kinda...showed up at one point
>>950412
poles are slavs
>>958404
Because they speak slavic, yes.
Genetically they're much closer to the Scandinvians and even Germans than any other Slavs.
>>956000
>Slavs just kinda...showed up at one point
Seems to me like someone is just faking history.
>>956000
Just like Armenians just showed up when Urartu fell. Like everywhere from Mediterranean to Caspian sea, some obscure fringe Phrygian dialect of Moschi tribes once conquered and settled along the whole Urartu kingdom to never again congregate and be a nuisance.
Slavs show up after the Hun empire collapsed precisely in the areas formerly dominated by Huns. Their self-naming probably comes from "river-folk" original PIE root, but later tied up closely to slovo-word and slava-glory.
They are also probably a fringe West Baltic dialect that shows heavy admixture of Gothic Germanic language yet very lenient Iranic influence, although supposedly Goths ruled over proto-Slavs for barely more than a century, while Iranics were neighbours for millenia.
So right before Huns some locals rebelled against Goths, inflicted heavy defeats on them yet were later subdued by terror (google Bozh and other chiefs crucified by Gothic king).
Huns come a bit later and rekt Gothic kingdom tired by infighting. Locals were probably quite eager to get revenge on Goths and hop along, becoming foot soldiers.
Then Huns are no more, yet there are infantry class of people speaking one Proto-Slavic language spread along former Hunn empire. People quite easy on assimilating everyone into themselves (Germanics were distinct for centuries in Gallia and Iberia, and for some time in Italia as they didn't allow foreigners much). Their "general foreigner scum" term is Nemtsy-numb people-people who can't speak properly, unlike glorious us. Not like Germanic Waulh/Gaul/Welsh/Vlach "these guys were neighbour Celtic assholes and Volcii, so we call any other asshole Volcii".
Avar Khaganate was pretty much Slavic and colonized the Balkans with Slovenians and Serbo-Croats; also Serb and Croat seem to be Iranic words themselves), with Avars being cavalry and Slavs being infantry. Same with Bulgaria on Danube, with Turkic cavalry elite above Slavic infantry elite.
>>961266
There's another people/social group that "just appeared" and wrecked major shit. The vikings. A class of roaming seaboard raiders-traders that included a grand variety of North Slavs, Finns and Balts assimilating into North Germanic class founders.
So original Slavs seem to have been fringe Balts of southern Belarus. While other 95% of Slavs were previously a variety of Germanic, (other) Baltic, Iranic and Turkic peoples that blended into a free warrior-farmer class because it was leet to do so, being distinguished by speech (Common Slav lang) and occupation (free warrior-farmer that settles, not raids).
>>961296
>>961266
I've had and epiphany.
Slavs were literally meme people. Peoples became Slavs because they've got infected by this warrior-farmer meme the way they got Romanised in the empire,
Latin is just a small and distinct yet extremely successful Italic language, built on imperial meme. All other Italics and many other peoples became Latinised, not Italicised. Aside from outskirts of Rome and some colonies, the empire was populated with memed peoples.
So Common Slavic was once a small and distinct yet extremely successful Baltic language that hit the stars with meme magic.
There is no such thing as "Slavs".
The Slavic speaking peoples of today, along with the Baltic people, are descended from the latest migration by Indo-european nomads who most likely intermarried with the local neolithic farmers. Some became small agricultural enclaves, other remained nomads like the Scythian's and the Sarmatians.
The Slavs genetically don't have a common origin apart from that common thread of nomad indo-European conquest. The Slavic language in fact is most likely a derivative of proto-Baltic. The idea that Slavic speaking populations migrated out nowhere is complete nonsense. Migrations of Slavic speaking populations happened only In Thrace and in limited in areas in the Greek Peloponnese during the middle-ages, but even then the numbers where very small.
