Why were the 1970's so bleak and depressing?
What?
Economic stagnation
Nothing to do
Crime abounds
>>925899
ny was at the time, i guess
>you will never live in 1970's New York
The whole nation was a massive fuck up after the 60s and the economy kept taking major blows.
>>925930
>you will never walk around vintage manhattan again
>you will never see the towers again
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OinF1i8dj6E
>>925899
>failure of sunny late '60s counterculture to bring about any real change
>elements of the latter get radical: Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, Red Army Faction
>weed & acid ----> coke & heroin
>deindustrialization, 1973 oil embargo, general economic shitiness
>U.S. withdrawal, and eventual communist victory, in Vietnam
>ridiculously high crime rates
>cynicism, disillusionment with government/society
>>925930
I don't think I'd want to live or even visit there but there's a certain romanticism I have when looking at pictures of NYC from that era or watching stuff like The Warriors or whatever. There's something really captivating about that grimy urban decay.
is the 2010s a repeat of the 1970s?
>ywn be able to squat or rent for peanuts a place in an inner-urban area of one of the great cities
>>926153
I've been wondering about this.
>long term economic stagnation
>racial tensions
>widespread political disillusionment and apathy
>dance music dominates the youth culture
>>926161
>ywn be gang-raped and then stabbed to death before, during, and after having your shit stolen literally the moment you leave the safe-ish touristy areas to go find a shitty apartement that costs more than you can afford due to the massively low wages and shortage of jobs prevalent at the time
ftfy
>>925970
>implying it just wasn't all the blacks moving north
>>926173
The only difference is the youth won't bring about significant change (they will but it will take a longer time) due to the introduction of social media, where we can vent and engage all our frustrations in, instead of actively seeking change outside.
Also consumption of media has never been higher than it is today. We just don't bother spending enough time making the place we live in better.
>>926202
That only happened to blacks and minorities back then.
>>925899
America .
>>925899
>Cold War
>Christian religious media explosion
>Atheism suppressed
>obscenity laws
>the draft
>Cocaine
>Disco
>>925930
>wanting to live in 70's NYC
Enjoy getting mugged and or murdered.
The incongruity between real social problems and public conservatism.
>>925899
Plenty of parking though
>>925930
Most norms were living happy lives in the burbs. It's only their idiot children who insist that suburbs are awful places to live.
I remember the 70s as being very laid back and people talked openly about shit instead of preaching endlessly to one another like now.
>>925899
the 60 are the pinnacle of the middle class
the subsequent decades are the understanding, by the middle class, that the middle class is not meant to be something else than the middle class, aka work and dwell in leisure, always fantasizing about getting richer.
Hippies.
In the 70s my dad's friends were robbed at gunpoint in Central Park in the middle of the day. If that's any indication of how casual/blatant violent crime and robbery was at that time no wonder New York had a reputation. It's greatly improved now and it's a place I'm keen to visit on holiday.
Films like Robocop depict a near future from the 80s that reflected the fear of civil disorder and crime erupting into open war and turning cities into civil warzones and the collapse of society. Fortunately many factors came together to combat crime and ease the pressures that was pushing things down that path.
>>925899
The oil crisis.
>>927621
If only OPEC weren't cucked by the west and by the jews nowadays, what they had was wonderful
>>925899
stagflation
>>926263
>not liking disco
>>927705
We were getting cucked by them and they still lost to Israel LMAO
At least it helped push research for alternative fuels.
>>927373
If you can, try to read Steve Gerber's Foolkiller miniseries from 1990. It's the concept of the violent revenge fantasy/social commentary in pre-cleaned up NYC and is really, really good.
>>925970
>failure of sunny late '60s counterculture to bring about any real change
the counterculture diversified the economy in California. It was also a minority with a lot of attention. It didn't bring change because counter-cultures don't impact economic or political change instantly. They're more like a trigger that mostly permeates social change.
>elements of the latter get radical: Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, Red Army Faction
All these groups were, at most, local threats. They had no significant impact other than scaring people and altering some laws.
>weed & acid ----> coke & heroin
True. Especially in the black communities, which were stabilizing in the 60s, but drugs ravished those communities in the 70s. large minority communites like the Black communities being broke brings the whole system down.
>deindustrialization, 1973 oil embargo, general economic shitiness
True, except the oil embargo was more of a small dent in the economy that it quickly recovered from.
>U.S. withdrawal, and eventual communist victory, in Vietnam
This war was a drain on the US resources. The war lasting as long as it did brought about the economic decline. Ending it actually turned things around.
>cynicism, disillusionment with government/society
That's always existed.
The real reason the 70s sucked was because the economy goes in cycles. It goes up and it goes down. It functions more like a natural event than a man-made one. 70s were just a low point. there will be others, just as there always has been.
Movies that really capture this feeling:
Network
The Warriors
Taxi Driver
Midnight Cowboy
Escape from New York
Death Wish
American Psycho
Anybody know any others?
>>926215
Leave it to /pol/ to look for the easiest argument that kills two bird with one stone, simultaneously making them feel good about themselves
>>925899
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>>929115
Even though it came out in 1997, Boogie Nights captures the feel of suburban California in the 70s quite well. Dirty Harry is also good if you want to see what San Francisco was like in the immediate aftermath of the summer of love.
>>929254
Last one, I feel like all of these capture what you guys are talking about ITT perfectly. My mom actually grew up in NY in the 70's/80's, in a public housing project inhabited mostly by Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Lots of interesting stories from her, but she always told me that even though it was 'cool' there are things she saw and experienced that shed be better off without.
>>929115
mean streets
>>929266
That looks like it's from the late 90s at the absolute earliest.
My parents both grew up in NYC suburbs in the 70s and lived in NYC in the 80s. It's kind of crazy hearing about how much things have both changed and sort of remained the same in the last 30-40 years.
>>929282
Yeah, taking a better look at it I think you're right- judging by the cars and clothes people are wearing etc.
And yeah I know what you mean, sometimes I wish I could've experienced it myself just to really understand what my mom's talking about when she vaguely refers to 'the 70's'
>>925899
Watergate.
>we will never have the classy terrorism of the 1970s :'(
>>926236
I think middle income people are all around more comfortable, narrowing the pool of dissidents to the severely dissaffected. Also governments have become masterful at propaganda, 24/7 media and the internet managed to both create and destroy perception of the Occupy movement over the course of a week.
I'd be surprised if the US government wasn't seriously concerned over the movement escalating at the time.
>>929338
Violence gets more attention, sadly. Especially if you can justify suicide attacks since the perps don't need to worry about consequences. Although there is an interesting back-and-forth about whether suicide bombers have suicidal tendancies before hand or if they are mentally healthy people who get brainwashed.
>>926414
Still better than paying rent, now.
>>928320
>The real reason the 70s sucked was because the economy goes in cycles. It goes up and it goes down. It functions more like a natural event than a man-made one. 70s were just a low point. there will be others, just as there always has been.
Shouldn't we develop an economy that stays consistent? Capitalism seems too prone to crisis.
>>929387
>Shouldn't we develop an economy that stays consistent?
People have tried that in various forms, and despite its many shortcomings, the USSR was usually less affected by global economic downturns.
Some form of capitalism seems to arise naturally, too, so it's hard to stop.
>>929115
Dog Day Afternoon.
>>929115
American Psycho is 80s as fuck
Yuppies and Wall Street execs and 80s bravado
>>929115
Leon/The Professional (depending on where you live)
>>926236
>Oooga booga
>Stone axe make Bunga Wunga soft
>Stone axe make Bunga Wunga like woman
>Bunga Wunga should use Fist
>Fist not worse than stone axe
>Only real cave men use fist
>>925930
But anon I already live in Detroit, which is basically a 1970s architectural time capsule
>>929266
>newest model range rover
>Newest model toyota camry
>70s
>>925899
Is that a still from Friedkin's 'Sorcerer'?
And I love the late 60s/70s: I love the gritty aesthetic it had (just look at remaining specimens of the famous "70s green" that some old buildings still have).
>>929115
Koyaanisqatsi, especially this section:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmE
>>929266
Late 00's at the earliest going by those cars
>>929115
It's a documentary but 80 blocks from Tiffany's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDb8Nr_gVcw
>>926153
No, the 2000s were.
Great music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmo6MRYf5g
>>929395
> the USSR was usually less affected by global economic downturns
You're right. The USSR was consistent in being shitty and poverty stricken when compared to the USA.
It's mostly the Vietnam war, honestly, ruined our national psyche. Combined with crime, Russia stockpiling nukes and the 60s counterculture metastasing into total cancer, it paints a pretty bleak picture.
>>926063
I feel you. It's certainly a better place to live, if you've got the money anyway, but that spirit went away with it.
It's a pretty common sentiment among the people who lived through that era. It was dangerous and kind of shitty but by god did it have soul. Whether or not they'd want things to return that way is a different story.
>>929115
As far as albums go the Rock 'n' Roll animal himself made the best one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PFH6DYictM
>>929166
>implying he actually believes that and you didn't just give him exactly what he wants by acknowledging his shitposting
Seriously, if you want to see this board thrive stop feeding the trolls.
>>929115
>American Psycho
>70s
You mean 80s. The whole culture of yuppies is ragged on was at its peak in the 80s.
>>927128
How old are you? Just wondering
>mfw my dad telling me stories about 1970s South Boston
He's got the scars to back his stories up too. He has a massive one across his throat from when a guy slashed him with a razor.
He says that it was totally normal for small gangs to go around beating the shit out of people at random just for the hell of it.
>>931940
But the type of poverty was markedly different for the USSR until the very late 1970s. They had steady growth and marked rises in standards of living until the oil crash
>>927128
>I remember the 70s
fucking hell how old are you mate, I didnt know retirees browsed 4chan
>>929234
>people who weren't born when NYC was like this complain loudly that it was "better and more authentic" back in the 70's and 80's
>mfw "NYC is too safe now"
>>929372
They are just dissaffected 20 somethings with few friends usually. Typical 4chan users but muslim.
>>927128
Who let this guy in?
>>933368
true, but a lack of availability in consumer goods caused widespread dissatisfaction with the system. They kept everyone fed (took em long enough), and luxuries did exist, but their lack of a consumer focused market resulted in lower qualities of life than in western counterparts.
The seventies in Britain were especially grim thanks to all the shitty strikes and socialism.
>>931929
2000s seem much better than either the 1970s or the 2010s
>>925899
Man anyone else kinda feel depressed when they see what kind of dystopia the world used to be? Kinda showing that history isn't linear and that what may seem as a road to doom and chaos may avert itself in just a couple of decades.
I just want to see the world burn.
I just want to be excited cause my life's shit :(
>>934971
>I just want to see the world burn.
Oh but you can, pussy! There's a place called Syria and you can leave for there any time you'd like! Bye, faggot!
>>934939
>2000s
>better than 2010s
You're either trolling or you don't remember that decade all that well.
>>929372
Depends.
In a lot of countries they tend to be middle class and educated, the same as people who vote in democracies.
In places like Iraq and Afghanistan where they need a much higher quantity of bombers, and it's easier to set them up, they tend to use the mentally retarded.
>>935054
>the mentally retarded
It's not like anyone else lives in Afghanistan.
>>935054
>they tend to use the mentally retarded.
Typical 4chan users once again then?
>>935068
Yes, like you.
>>935083
>>934721
As another anon pointed out, the Oil Crisis really fucked us up. Led to cost-push inflation and a wage spiral, which then led to 1974 Coal Miners strike which resulted in the 3 day week. All under the Tories. Then when Labour came in, you had the IMF crisis, which was the result of Treasury Civil Servants fucking up numbers. But at least the music was good.
>>934588
New York was still pretty shitty in the 80's/early 90's with the crack-cocaine epidemic
>>925930
Just watch Hercules in New York and you'll get all you need.
>>929115
serpico
>>925930
Go live in Detroit now
My dad made his living in the 70s and even to the 80s running 3-4 bars and hijacking trucks
>>939419
WOAH WOAAAH HEY
>>926263
Technically motherfucker and fucker are the same curse word.
>>929115
The French Connection
>>926153
>1970s: funk
>2010s: future funk
It is poetry
>>930376
Without the people
>>939445
You gettin' fuckin' fresh with me?
>>934721
70s Britain >>>
was this the point where people knew the empire was finished?
>>941820
thanks unions
>>941788
not to mention disco and soul also making a comeback
>>925899
Cold War
>>934971
I'd actually argue that change and protest has actually been made quicker and more efficient BECAUSE of social media, look at things like the black lives matter movement.
>>927128
The burbs are awful. You want to live out in the country, or in the heart of the hustle.
>>942083
What has the BLM done again?
Harass Bernie Sanders, and make a hashtag?
Wow, great fucking activism.
>>929115
Jacob's Ladder
>>942184
I'm not going to be baited into a stupid /pol/ tier argument, try some one else.
>>925899
>bleak and depressing
Looks like the complete opposite to me judging by the culture, social change, music and movies of the era.
>>942235
it's obvious the guy is trying to bait me into defending it so he can spout shitty /pol/ garbage.
>>942242
I'm not that guy nor do I want to bait you but honestly I'd also be curious about what has BLM actually achieved other than alienating white people?
>>942242
>U MUST BE WUNNA DEM EVIL /pol/ACKS IF U DISAGREE WIT ME
alright bud
>>942244
They got a few states to re-evaluate their police departments and some pretty nasty stuff was unearthed in the process. I honestly don't agree with their focus on only black people though, prejudice and brutality in the police force doesn't only happen to black people.
>>925899
The burnout after the gross excesses and cultural denigration of the 60's
>>942322
Care to be more specific?
>>934939
1997 until around 2007 or so is a complete cultural wasteland.
>>942364
Eric & Dylan were my childhood heroes.
>>926153
pomo revival when
>>942309
"I'm not /pol/!" says /pol/.
Because after attending a disco party everything feels like shit.
>>929338
>tfw you will never be an extremist left wing terrorist in the 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYZApk4IWc
>>942339
just do a google search or something, I'm feeling too lazy and I want to watch the rest of 11 22 63 tonight anyhow.
>>941803
Good ol billy bats
>>942412
with the way things are going, if trump gets in there might be extremist left wing terrorist groups again so you might get your wish.
>>942501
>extremist left wing terrorist groups again so you might get your wish.
Left wing nowadays are inactive pussies who are scared of guns and only march when there is a lot of minorities about so they can feel enriched.
Even if it comes to that Right wing will morethan likely trounce the shit from them.
>>942504
gb2/pol/
>>942512
gb2/pol/
>>942512
Yea I am brown and I know what liberals are like, all bark and no bite and always happy to get offended on your behalf and when you call them out on it and tell them to mind their own business they just bitch and moan about it.
White liberals are simply the worst
>>929115
The Killing of America (1985)
>>942322
>I honestly don't agree with their focus on only black people though, prejudice and brutality in the police force doesn't only happen to black people.
I agree with your latter statement, but there's more BLM than just fighting police brutality. The black community has more problems than just the police; BLM ought to be concerned more with community outreach and volunteer works in areas where it's needed, same as old black rights' activists used to do.
>>932018
A wee bit of ultra violence oh my dear brother!
>>939587
he addresses that in a later special, referring to phonecalls he got from people like you
>>941820
I think they knew that by the 60's
>>942235
The suburbs are an artificial society with artificial concerns. Same with small towns. Cities are the least safe yet imo the best place to raise a child
>>942735
so?
Socialism
>>942730
I understand, that is the precise reason I said it.
>>942575
wtf are you even saying? are you calling people pussies for not being terrorists?
>>942735
>Cities are the least safe
Cities are actually safer than rural areas.
>>929115
The Godfather (40's /50's)
The Departed
Alice in the Cites
No Country for Old Men (i.e. Alice in the Cites PART II)
Lightning Over Water (bit euro pretentious)
Why is The Warriors seen as a great film it's just all complete bullshit.
...
>Put's on flack jacket, locks doors, pulls pin on grenade, this is going to get messy.
>>941802
Which made it all the better. I'm a pretty hardcore introvert, so when during the big crash and bankruptcy the streets were empty at daytime it was the coolest thing. I LOVED having an entire downtown to myself. Alas, now that the city actually has its shit together and people are moving back in there are people around so I can't run around the streets pretending I'm spiderman.
>>942412
the guy who founded this group is a Nazi now
>>929115
The first 2 Rocky's?
>>935045
>better economy
>lower crime
>cost of living was lower
>internet was at its best
>bigger middle class
>>944675
proofs
>>946321
http://victimsofcrime.org/docs/default-source/ncvrw2015/2015ncvrw_stats_urbanrural.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Less violent crime but more rape and property crime.
>>946266
>2000s
>better economy
wew lad
>>946411
>>946418
>>946266
>lower crime
What albums capture the feeling the best?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11KOFvXtg2g
>>947668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqnZtGxEUOs&list=PLcrzHxA7ht8MXGwbG4mMMnLiStRm4VlNq&index=6
>>930404
wasn't that part in sorcerer set in new jersey?
>>926153
Yup.
Busy is Nixon. Obama is Carter.
Trump could be Reagon.
>>946473
>criminality went down when economic crisis struck in 2008
Weird. Isn't that the opposite of what you'd expect?
>>942395
"Im not tumblr!" says the sjw
>>947668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4aK-YsPeU&nohtml5=False
>>930404
No, it's from Once Upon a Time In America
>>929115
Nobody's posted The Warriors yet?
>>938988
Seconding this. Pretty /his/, considering it was actually a true story.
>>947668
The stretch of time from the late 70s to the early 80s had it's own sort of bleak and depressing nature. I can't think of an album that captures the feeling of that time better than Unknown Pleasures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvoQIdD80U
>>953352
>you will never go back to pre 9/11 NYC
;_;
The twin towers are so nostalgic.
>>946430
juking the stats
>>953373
>wake up for kindergarden
>"some shitty towers fell"
>"3000 people died"
>That's less than 6 million
>"no school today"
So nostalgic.
t. millenial
>>925899
I know the 70s were shit, but something about that time just seems much more /comfy/ than now.
>>956646
Leaded Gas
It literally was just blacks moving north
not even /pol/ its just how it is
the only way we got it down was by imprisoning more people than any other society in history, and often on completely crap charges (e.g. 650mg of coke = life)
