Tell me about the IRA /his/
>>899199
Controlled opposition.
Next question.
>Majority protestant region
>Want region to join Catholic Ireland
Why?
What were they hoping to accomplish?
Scum, subhuman scum
Why does he wear the mask?
>>899217
Britbong detected
>>899199
If that family is Anglo he's not doing anything wrong tbqh
>>899243
Mudslime tier desu
In response to the IRA myth that homerule for Ireland was never coming:
That's absolutely false, and you should know it. The 'Government of Ireland Act 1914' was passed following the curbing of the House of Lord's powers in 1911, giving the Liberal Party a free hand to pass their budget and later legislation including the Ireland act. The act was for obvious reasons postponed following the breakout of the Great war along with other pieces of legislation.
To say that the Brits never gave a fuck and were waiting for eventual integration is a gross overstatement and deliberately misleading, yes that may have been the case for much of the period of British rule over Ireland, but by 1914 things had seriously changed. The Liberal Party was overwhelmingly in favour of home rule apart from the smaller 'Liberal Imperialist' wing of the party, who despite their opposition eventually followed the party whip in supporting the Home Rule act, while the Tories were more neutral over the issue, with the party leadership favouring the status quo, no integration policies or home rule, just the continuation of current policies, unless home rule was an absolute necessity, but at the same time there was a significant wing in the party that did accept the calls for Irish home rule bill, with members of the party breaking the whip over the issue of the use of the black and tans, and /his/ favourite meme Oswald Mosley left the Conservative party entirely over the government policy and the black and tans.
cont....
>>899255
Home rule was on the table as far back as 1886 with Gladstone proposing the first home rule bill which was only defeated by only 30 votes, Gladstone again pushed for another home rule bill in 1893 which did pass in the house of commons, but was vetoed by the hereditary house of lords. Two previous times Home rules had been debated, once narrowly opposed, and one supported.
Home rule was officially on the table as far back as 1886 when Gladstone proposed the first home rule bill penned by his Liberal government, a bill that when debated was only defeated by 30 votes despite cross-party support. Then when returned to government in 1893 - in coalition with the Irish Nationalists too - Gladstone penned a second Home Rule bill, this one was in fact voted for by the house of commons, however it was vetoed by the hereditary house of Lords, the heavily reactionary institution which would prove to be the bane of the Liberal Party in government again 1906-1911. Claiming they never intended to give home rule, when it was debated by the parliament of the United Kingdom - with suffrage then still limited to the upper classes - on three separate occasions, approved on two of the occasions, and put into motion following the third and final debate under Asquith's government.
Claims that home rule was never going to be granted is another fabricated claim by Nationalists in both the Republic and Northern Ireland to justify the Easter Uprising, the Irish War of Independence, and the Irish Civil war, three conflicts that cost many British and Irish lives for no good reason, other than the greed of certain Nationalist groups in 1916. The British government was more than prepared to grant home rule in 1914 until the outbreak of the war, the legislation was only postponed and the process was ready to be continued while the country recovered from the war, but instead the blood of innocent men from all across the British isles was shed.
>>899259
Should mention that this cartoon is from The Freeman's Journal, which was Ireland's oldest national newspaper, and one of the strongest Nationalist papers of the 19th century, here depicting Gladstone as the champion of Home Rule.
based freedom fighters
>>899199
Sadly supporting other terrorists groups worldwide
>>899209
>Majority Catholic region
>Forced to convert or no potatoes
Why?
What were they hoping to accomplish?
>>899199
Killed my friends cousin and crippled his uncle during a bombing desu.
>>899381
>>899209
the whole of Ireland is/was majority Catholic and is majority Nationalist, why should 6 provinces in Ulster get to exclude themselves from a united Ireland?
oh right, they're occupied by psuedo-Anglos who've never felt the need to justify their actions
>>899259
>three conflicts that cost many British and Irish lives for no good reason,
>>899387
The whole Great Brittiain is/was majority Protestant and Unionist, why should 1 kingdom in Ireland get to exclude themselves from the united Islands?
oh right, they're run by pseudo-Celts who've never felt the need to justify their actions.
>>899417
We're discussing human beings here
Anglos don't fit that
>>899417
>implies you have to accept foreign occupiers as rightful soverigns
lmao
>>899428
>lacks the level of introspection required to see the irony in making this point.
>>899206
Infiltrated opposition
FTFY
>>899243
>remove crumpet
i lol'd
What if you divided it again
>>899457
what irony? those over the sea who conquered in the past were foreign occupiers, when the Irish people make a decision as to what should be done on their island it should be imposed fully and not stopped un-democratically by a few who don't like it in the north
>>899480
"no"
>>899417
>everyone in GB should get a say in what the Irish decide for the Irish
should the English, Welsh and Northern Irish have gotten a vote on Scotland's independence?
retard
>>899486
Why not? Unless you have a reasonable reply which fully convinces me I say "YES"
>>899481
>Its OK if I do but not OK if you do it because >muh geographic proximity
Literally your argument. Argie tier.
>>899491
Feck off
>>899480
economically unfeasible, the original plan for partition on the Irish side was to divide it in this way because anything less than a 6-county northern Ireland would collapse not long after it was partitioned
>but that's not fair!
they don't care
>>899508
are you retarded?
Northern Ireland as an idea didn't even exist before 1920 and the government of Ireland act, it only came into being because Unionists chimped out at the thought of an all-Ireland home rule
if your justification of NI's existence is that the majority of people in those 6 counties are Unionist/Protestant, why not do what this anon suggests>>899480
?
>>899513
Its not "economically feasible" because its a bullshit idea in the first place.
Half the Northern Irish budget is paid for by the rest of the UK every year, 40% of the population is directly employed by the government and the rest are indirectly employed through government subsidised companies which are paid money to keep people employed and quite.
So, the situation is already artifically being propped up because it cant stand on its own.
There is literally no reason for it to exist that any reasonable person can advance apart from MUH KULTURE 1690 and MUH POOR PROTESTANTS MUST BE PROTECTED FROM CERTAIN GENOCIDE which is the best and only thing pro-unionists can come up with.
So, either re-divide it again and stop pretending it will actually work after 100 years of failure, or get rid of it altogether.
I'm pretty sure everybody is sick of hearing about this old bollocks.
>>899480
This map implies all Protestants are Unionists, and all Catholics are Republicans, which isn't the case now, there's also the issue of those with no religious affiliation who would be unaccounted for in a new partition
>>899543
Even just reverse image search it you bampot
Percentage of Catholics in each electoral division in Ulster. Based on census figures from 2001 (UK) and 2006 (ROI).
0-10% dark orange, 10-30% mid orange,
30-50% light orange, 50-70% light green,
70-90% mid green, 90-100% dark green
>>899547
reverse image search always brings up a plethora of unrelated shite or things that just look similar
the image itself doesn't have a legend so its impossible to know what the original makers intent was to display
Scum.
>>899550
What kind of bleeding idiot are you, the image is literally right here, with an image, the original source of it, I guess you need to be spoonfed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
>>899555
I didn't make the bloody image did I?
the cunt should've added a legend
>>899558
Stop backpedaling you nonce, I posted the legend, but you immediately rejected it as unrelated shite because it didnt't agree witht he point you were arguing, simple search of the image of legend would you brought you to the original source, get it up you
>>899537
> which isn't the case now
Pretty sure 98% on either side are despite what the belfast telegraph says
Oh wait I forgot the majority of Catholics are unionists which is why there has never been any kind of trouble in Northern Ireland ever
>>899566
I'm saying the person who MADE the fucking image should've made it with a legend to begin with you spoon
Why does nobody mention the UVF? They were slaughtering innocents the same as the IRA were. the British Army was originally drafted into Norn Iron to protect Catholics from them.
Violent sectarian nutcase murderers who lived in a paradise compared to say the palestinians in gaza and the west bank yet killed far more people.
they were really bloodthirsty animals.
>>899613
b8
>>899592
The UVF didn't have people going around Irish bars in the USA asking for shekels and telling people that nailbombing Catholic schoolkids was a righteous mission to save the old country.
>>899654
Is that really what bothers you about the whole thing? The UVF got their funding from much shadier means.
>>899654
Ahh okay
Guess they were the good guys then
They were (are?) people who would rather murder some random civilians then move a couple of miles south into the practically empty RoI.
>>899712
Jumping on a boat back to Glasgow isn't all that difficult either.
>>899763
Unionist dominated in terms of sheer numbers but they tend to live in Belfast and Derry, so it complicates things a little more.
>>899569
Your retaŕded thinking its still about relgion, its about 2 things, old wounds and trade
>>899763
Catholics actually have a slight majority now and unionist parties are trying to attract their votes. Unionists on here would tell you that the majority of Catholics are Unionists while telling them to get out of "their" country in the same post. They have generally a funny sort of circular reasoning where its fine to hate "nationalists/republicans" but would never admit to hating catholics because that is sectarian and bad, sort of how nobody normal will public admit to being a hardcore racist. What they dont want to realise however is that almost every Catholic is deep down a Republican much like almost every Protestant is deep down a Unionist.
>>899666
Not at all. Just theorising wh the IRA are well known and other paramilitary groups are ignored.
>>899763
It started something like 40-60 and has been tilting toward catholics ever since. The problem was that the Protestant majority regions were never economically viable. It would be a ridiculous little rump state-let. So they drew the border to incorporate as many Catholics as politically possible.
>>899259
Even if the Brits wanted Home Rule, the Easter Rising was in the right, and should've won.
I'm British btw.
>>899712
>why are they, like, fighting back?!?!
you thick son?
up the ra
>>899985
Easter Rising wasn't in the right and only got innocents killed and a city destroyed
Irish btw
>>899259
After the House of Lords lost the ability to continuously veto bills, the home rul bill was passed but shelved for the allowed 2 years and then was to be further put aside until the end of WW1, prior to 1916 the main reason problems came from unionists in the north who had an autistic fit at the mere mention of it
>>899613
>killed more people
Bloodthirsy maybe
Killed more not likely. IS known for slaughtering entire towns and selling the women as slaves
>>900294
>palestinians in gaza and the west bank
>IS
nigga u retarded
>>900258
>>900273
As for my opinion on the IRA, towards the end and after of the war of independence they were and are complete asshats who are no better >>899592
>>899654
Also the unionists and the UVF kicked most of this shit off. Backed by the conservatives in Britain who encouraged them they promised to use violence to stop home rule which was passed to law by the British system they loved so much
Both sides did fucking awful shit for no good reason.
>>900258
they literally called it off and abandoned the blood oath for this reason, nothing groundbreaking here lad
>>899489
the scottish vote in our parliament unironically.
we dont vote in theirs.
>>899255
>The Liberal Party was overwhelmingly in favour of home rule apart from the smaller 'Liberal Imperialist' wing of the party, who despite their opposition eventually followed the party whip in supporting the Home Rule act, while the Tories were more neutral over the issue, with the party leadership favouring the status quo, no integration policies or home rule, just the continuation of current policies, unless home rule was an absolute necessity, but at the same time there was a significant wing in the party that did accept the calls for Irish home rule bill, with members of the party breaking the whip over the issue of the use of the black and tans, and /his/ favourite meme Oswald Mosley left the Conservative party entirely over the government policy and the black and tans.
epic run-on sentence. i had a little trouble understanding it
>>899417
Good thing Ireland isn't in Great Britain then.
>>900258
>being less of an irish nationalist than an anglo
West brit cuck.
>>900396
Hey, even sinn fein started as a royalist/monarchist party
>>899592
It's inconvenient to the Anglo narrative.
>>899558
why did you post it then you daft cunt
>>900396
one-eyed plastic paddy
I'm British and I went into an IRA pub once and I didn't realise it was an IRA pub until I had already ordered.
They didn't kill me though so it's fine.
>>899199
Good Christian boys who dindu nuffin wrong, the Joos planted those bombs in Warrington and Manchester because something something wanting people to hate Catholicism something something
>>900502
>a-anyone who disagrees with me is just pretending to be irish!
>>900549
>me
Wasn't me, but essentially yes. Anybody that reacts like that to a position that doesn't focus solely on an ultranationalist narrative, i.e. one entirely lacking nuance and a critical eye towards all parties in the national struggle, is pretty likely to be some blinkered 1/16th American """Irish""" unwilling, deliberately or otherwise, to understand that real life is complex and not a Star Wars film.
Disgusting terrorists.
They killed anglos, so they're alright.
>>900615
>but its ok when we do it
>>900258
Nice post Nigel, how's Rathmines?
>>900615
Today I learned that about half of the population of Ulster and part of the population of Ireland are in fact 1/16th Irish-Americans.
>>899199
Freedom fighters.
Great to mention whenever you want to trigger an Anglo.
>>901248
>the only way I can support my simplistic, jingoistic and ultimately harmful position is by completely and deliberately misrepresenting an appeal for balance and rationalism as support for my out group
>>899199
UP
>>901321
THE
>>900615
What I don't get is this, if all Irish nationalists are really 1/16th Irish Americans pretending to be Irish, where did the IRA come from? It's almost as if you're making up bullshit. That couldn't possibly be true though, could it?
Irish paramilitaries are fucking pussies
t. Serb
>>901327
RA
>>899712
>who would rather murder some random civilians
it was loyalist paramilitaries that usually targeted civilians
>>901314
>my view is balanced and rational
>your view is simplistic and jingoistic
>I'm going to be patronising and use meme buzz phrases to anybody who does not conform to my view
>>899199
*PIRA
The IRA fought for Ireland in the Irish War of Independence.
The Provisional Irish Republican Army (Provos) were the ones you hear about in The Troubles.
>Northern Ireland will be majority Catholic in our lifetime
>Kosovo part 2
>>899199
Why does he wear the mask?
>>901551
>Looks it up
Your right
>Only 48% see themselfs as British
>28% see themselfs as Irish
>29% See themselfs as Northern Irish
>>901582
>'northern irish' as an identity
Top kek. Like 'Bosnian' except even worse.
>>901551
The UK as a whole is going to collapse within out lifetime. ~45% of Scots already wanted to become an independent nation about a year and a half ago, and that number will grow with time, and Northern Ireland's growing increasingly distant from England and London.
Wales will probably stick around though. So have fun with that, Brits.
>>899199
The only Irish people with balls tbqh.
>>901615
m8 The English themselfs no longer hold a british Identity, Even more so than the Jocks, the UK might end due to English independence than Scottish one
>>901615
>have fun with that, Brits
>implying the English wouldn't be ecstatic if all the other parts of the UK become independent
Good luck with that oil based economy Scotland.
>>899976
>So they drew the border to incorporate as many Catholics as politically possible.
Can you expand on this
What would happen if London left the UK and became a city state? Does London even need any other part of the UK?
COME OUT YE BLACK N' TANS
>>899417
>implying that Ireland is a part of Great Britain.
You got the geography wrong, senpai. Ireland is a part of the British Isles, not Great Britain
Well I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
>>899387
Because 6 provides in Ulster said "no", so six provides don't have to.
Fucking Micks.
>>904704
don't cry when planterbabies get carbombed then you subhuman
>>900483
I didn't you thick fuck
>>899480
I like it, my hometown is going with the UK! :3
>>899387
the whole of British isles should be one nation, why do some cuck alcoholics who'll never accomplish anything get the right to exclude themselves from a united Britain?
>>899199
All you need to know is that they did nothing wrong.
>>901615
>implying the english aren't the ones that will finally kill it
All the other nations just leech of england
>>900258
This is objectively true. It was unpopular, and people were happy to vote for nationalist parties as to create an independent Ireland democratically. The Easter Rising only made Anglo-Irish relations COMPLETELY irreperaible.
>>901523
One in the same.
>>904872
>the whole of British isles should be one nation,
tell that to an armalite nigga
>>900258
Ah, you're a West Brit, no matter how much you claim to love Britain you'll always just be another Paddy.
>>904704
what
the
fuck
are you trying to say here?
What is a "provide"?
>>905538
he's an inbred anglo that doesn't know the difference between a county and a province
>>904704
The plantations, Britain put people on our land, Ulster has been Irish for most of recorded history. You shouldn fuck off and give our land back!
>>906177
>>904821
At least we can be honest with ourselves and admit it's just organized terror for a land grab. It's full of Ulster Scots, not Irishmen and it'll fly a dissent flag. At least, until you employ the real subhuman tactic of squirting out kids until you outnumber the natives, but being subhuman seems like a Catholic trend.
>>899199
Freedom Fighters
>>899778
Derry, as in the city is very majority nationalist. I think it's mostly belfast and a lot of small towns in the East that are the unionist strongholds.
>>906437
>At least we can be honest with ourselves and admit it's just organized terror for a land grab.
you can't for the most part, and on our side it'd be a reclamation of the land grabbed by your kind originally rather than anything else so I can quite genuinely sit on a high horse here
I'll do you a favor and buy you a one way ticket back to Glasgow if you've spent all your dole on crack though
>>906617
I'm not even in the Commonwealth m8.
Maybe this is tough for you to understand, but as a New Worlder, if the Comanche started setting off car bombs in Texas to get my Anglo self to leave I'm going to start killing back, because this is my home now, and I haven't lived elsewhere. They're established and get to remain there, just as I am here. No better than Chicanos yelling about Aztlan.
>>906730
>burger dipping his fat fingers into Irish politics
>using the word "we"
worse than a plastic paddy
you don't seem to realize what the prods up north are like at all, they'll do anything they can to attempt to justify their position in the North and wouldn't even approach calling themselves occupiers because that would lose them whatever degree of credibility they have
that's why they try to create a separate "northern irish" identity, rather than face up to the fact that they're from somewhere fucking else
with all respect lad, you know fuck all and can fuck off
>>906764
You haven't really said anything.
I said "we", as in the participants of this conversation in my post a bit back. I'm also sure Timmy growing up in Northern Ireland personally occupied and subjugated Catholics and their land. Instead off throwing about Ad Hominems, go cry about it with some Mexicans, they fully understand.
>>902999
>Can you expand on this
The province of Ulster was majority Catholic, and the protestant areas were economically unsustainable, so the border was gerrymandered to include all the most economically productive catholic areas like Derry city or Newry, and exclude the backwaters like Donegal and Cavan so as to keep a slim Protestant majority. Basically they wanted to have their cake and eat it too.
ooh ah up the RA
>>904704
Less than half of one province said no. I assume you mean counties. Of the 9 counties in Ulster, 2 "said no". 4 more were taken hostage because the "brave and loyal" unionists were actually incapable of forming thier own country.
>>904872
>the whole of British isles
There is no "British Isles", there is Ireland and Britain.
Cucks can get out.
>>906817
Which was pretty fucked, and I support Ulster independence. Your different, you live here, you want to be British. I understand. But at least admit you're shit if you want my support, don't fuck over the Micks for your shekels.
But seriously, why would the Republic want Ulster? How would it help the already troubled economy when Belfast is essentially Europe's Detroit
>you will NEVER be as based as Edward Carson
Truly a hero among men. More integrity and pride than your every republican inbred potato muncher.
>>907993
Average*
>>899467
damn that's a nice look
>>906807
my point was that for all their talking there has never been a proper justification for Northern Ireland's existence
only that people planted their a few centuries ago had babies and those babies grew into the planters of today
