>all of these arms and armor threads
>not a single thread about shields, ever
Shield thread, post everything shields!
most comfy shield design coming through
>>896980
I'm getting a kteisic vibe from the one on the left, if you know what I mean.
>>896980
that horizontal grip is fucking triggering me.
>>896990
literally wot. I am actually curious; explanation?
>>897146
have fun getting your hand twisted faggot
>>897146
For round shields it doesn't matter but for more oval or rectangular shields horizontal is best
>>896980
Shields are for gays, real men use their weapons with two hands
>>896980
BARBARIANS GET OUT REEEE
>2016
>using your shield as a shield
>>896980
>>897075
What's the name of these shields?
>>897571
A pelta.
>>897579
No, this is a pelta
Standard garden variety targe
>>897649
Charles Stuart's targe
>>897571
I know they did have a name, some guy on /k/ postulated that the celts that armed them and entered Greece and Anatolia were the original inspiration for the "copycat" legions the Romans would encounter there later.
but I don't remember the name, sorry.
Ladies and gentlemen, i present to you, From 16th century England:
The gunshield.
More information at:
http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/journals/conservation-journal/issue-39/a-gun-shield-from-the-armoury-of-henry-viii-decorative-oddity-or-important-discovery/
>>897571
A thureos. Unless you mean the thinner shields in the OP pic, which I believe are an ancient Celtic design that was fading out in favour of the thureos.
>>897578
>mfw segmented pauldrons
>shield thread
>not posting a mycenaean figure-8 shield
>not posting ANY mycenaean shields
>>897579
also that's a thureos, nigger
>>897941
Why do they always have that same fucking white-black cowhide? Did some fag just find one example and since then everyone just goes "yep, that's how all the shield were, all of them".
>>897956
I don't know I didn't make the fucking picture. Fresco's/pottery and shit like that points to the fact that they were likely covered in cowhide, although they probably didn't all look like that. Keep in mind this was in like 1400 BC, so its not like there were just thousand pound bricks of bronze lying around. Also, imagine a shield of that size covered in a layer of bronze similar to an aspis
gg after carrying that around for 5 minutes
>>896980
Why did shields die out bros?
>>898016
They haven't.
>>898016
Because once full plate armor came around, you already had more protection than a shield could ever provide, and this also lets you use two-handed weapons.
>>898016
Why use a shield when you can BE the shield?
>>898034
Are they like these combat shields from COD? Because that would be pretty neat
>>898045
Have fun with your shield and small sword while some antsy Frenchmen caves your head in with a poleaxe from 8 feet away
gg no re
>>8980394
Not sure what you mean as I haven't played CoD since 4, but here's a drill video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-82tkjAUr4
>>898061
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T0DFfFz3MOI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKb1XO7yxaw
>>898057
Have fun getting rekt by arrows and bolts noob
>>898090
If they have a high enough rating.
>>898096
I mean like shotgun shells or shots from an assault rifle
>>898086
>implying arrows will pierce 15th-16th century full plate from more than 30 yards
>"muh bolts"
>gl firing more than 2 volleys of crossbow bolts before the enemy reaches you
>>898090
a handgun round sure, and even a shotgun blast too if its not literally point blank, but rip if some kebab sprays you with an ak
>>898114
Is there any researsh on this? I want to hold the ultimate shield.
>>898084
It really isn't. They're dealing with 100% complaint people who play along with every move. Virtually EVERY military writer in pre-modern war would tell you just how dangerous passing lines like that is, because if the other guys push, your shit falls the fuck apart.
Rotating our guys has to be done piecemeal in the face of a determined attacker.
>>898122
Go be underage somewhere else.
>>898100
The answer is the same.
>>898125
>underage
I have ambitions and dreams. Literally nothing wrong with reaching to the stars and witness all the wonders and extremities on this world. I want to hold the ultimate shield.
>>898125
Of course they are compliant, its not real, aka practice. But nonetheless it looks cool, and is a video involving modern shields, so it made sense to link it to 2 people talking about modern shields. Please point to the spot in my post where I said that they were using real/sound tactics?
>>898149
Class IIIa esapi plates for modern military members stop up to .308, weigh around 30lbs total, and they only cover torso upper back and sides.
Imagine a shield made out the same material. It would be hundreds of pounds
>>898158
Maybe out of a new, lighter material? Cheap produced carbon fibres? Wait forget cheap it should be the best materials for the one,ultimate shield
>>898162
I know a rather hot girl who likes me (although i dont know why). I could lose my virginity within a few weeks. But thats unimportant for now
>>898177
sorry m8, but im pressing square
>>898185
Does it matter?
>>898189
no, but i rarely get to use that picture
>>898177
TOP. FUCKING. KEK.
scutum best shield
>>898100
Hell no.
Rifle rated 10"x12" level III steel armor plates for modern plate carriers weigh ten pounds each.
One for the chest and one for the back, you have 20 pounds.
If you made an entire suit of armor out of rifle rated AR500 steel you wouldn't be able to move.
You might be able to wear leather armor, with some chain mail here and there, combined with a modern plate carrier, but fashioning an entire suit of armor out of rifle rated steel is completely implausible.
>>898084
Kek this video is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen.
>>898324
Kek its not real and looks cool but good try tho
>>898168
Carbon fiber? That's not going to stop any bullets.
It's useless anyway. Somebody could just throw a grenade at you, and even if you plant your shield down to protect against it, the blastwave would still screw you up.
>>898297
Im talking about shields out of modern materials m8
>>898363
Oh, well, you wouldn't be able lift a shield crafted from AR500 steel rated for intermediate rifles.
Soft armor made from materials like Aramid Fibers or Kevlar simply can't stop rifle rounds.
I suppose you could make one from ceramic, but they shatter and fall apart when shot so they can't take multiple hits, and even 10"x12" rifle rated ceramic plates weigh 7.5 pounds.
>>897941
Myceaneans get out. Dorian master race coming through.
>>898401
Youre not even real greeks m8.
>>898421
is there even such a thing as a real greek
>>898426
>le true greek meme
Just because your great-great(x20) grandfather Heracleetoos or whatever the fuck he was called conquered some backwater towns in bumfuck nowhere and then you copied a bastardized dialect of redneck greek doesnt mean youre real greeks m8.
Get back to the steppes.
>>898446
well there is actually partially a way to see how "Greek" person is. By looking at the facial structure. If they have curly hair with a nose that slopes with the forehead then they have a good amount of ancient Greek heritage, pic related. I don't have a picture of my cousin on hand but he has this profile, while I look more Arabic. So obviously he is better bred.
>>898471
>>898446
ahhh here we go
>>898401
Ah yes, the meme invasion.
>Dorian "invasion"
>slow migration and cultural changes over a few centuries
>my my that sure is some invasion
>the king of Mycenaeans laughs at you
>>898478
Don't cry those crocodile tears when the dark skinned hordes "slowly trickle" into your country then, "friend".
>>898471
>If they have curly hair with a nose that slopes with the forehead then they have a good amount of ancient Greek heritage
this still doesn't explain the debt
>>898486
im not greek (thank zeus)
>>897878
Thank you
> Unless you mean the thinner shields in the OP pic
I thought they were essentially the same.
>>896980
I always liked the buckler. Useless for blocking fast projectiles, but anyone skilled with a buckler will quickly block everything and every blocked attack will quickly end up with a man closing in and stabbing you in the gut.
>>898529
>but anyone skilled with a buckler will quickly block everything
No.
Do you know what the germans called them?
Iron fists.
Do you know why?
Because you were better off using the sword to defend yourself than the actual buckler.
This means the buckler is left free to strike, and you then followup with the sword.
It's better than nothing. A skilled used is not going to "block everything" with it. He might not block anything at all with it.
>yfw born too soon to see soldiers in bullet and explosion-proof steel battle armours that weigh hundreds of kilograms and and inner electronic skeleton helps the warriors to move and fight
>why even live?
>implying the best shield isn't a wall of spears
>>897571
>>896980
The Greeks, Thracians, and Illyrians called it a "Thureos."
From the Celtic "Skutheos/Skuthikos/Something that starts along fucking sku/scuth." Referring to large oval shields.
Celtic equipment got popularized following the very devastating Celtic raids during the last days of the 300's BC into Italy, Balkans, and Greece. You had whole mediterranean states making new troop types based of Celtshit (i.e. Thureophoroi, the Legions themselves).
Even the warriors themselves were popular. Celtic mercenaries served as far south as Ptolemaic Egypt and as far east as where the Seleucids could take them.
>>898982
then why do they still have shields lol
>>898421
>not real greeks
>are the best greeks
c'mon
most /fa/ shield coming through
>>899068
They missed out on the greatest pan Hellenic war while their cousins got all the glory.
>>898977
Thats a guy high on adrenaline
>>899068
>dat micropenis
Kek. Who says Greeks aren't white?
>>899131
Small penises were aesthetic in Greco Roman art. O-only dirty savages have large Benis!!!!
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>>899620
>Dat Swastika
Truly one of humanity's most profound symbols.
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>>898034
a bit late but here is why they haven't
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>>898671
>Do you know what the germans called them?
>Iron fists.
you're wrong, it's called faustschild in german, fist shield
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>>899761
might just as well post the remaining pictures that I once saved from /tg/ from that museum
>>899770
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>>899784
And that's the last one that I have.
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>>899723
>there will never be a Dark Souls game that ignores all the medieval and Asian stuff to focus exclusively on the weapons, armor and mythological monsters of classical Greece and Rome and their nearby cultures
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>>899791
>and no Mount and Blade Rome
Feels batman
>>899799
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>>899800
While I understand your feels, it would be better if the images would be at least partly on topic.
>>899800
Well Butterlord will have the Empire which is equivalent to the late Roman Empire.
>>899809
>Well Butterlord will have the Empire which is equivalent to the late Roman Empire.
noice
>>899809
One thing I notice when I look at comparison between legionaries and later period dudes with mail, is that the legionary always has a much shorter mail shirt. Did determine that so much thigh coverage is unnecessary with the huge scutum or something?
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>>899815
Some people modded Warband into a Rome version but the based game itself was pretty bare-bones and repetitive regardless of modding so it wasn't a super-great mod.
Bannerlord looks to be a lot more detailed and the studio Talesworlds was impressed by the mods put out for Warband, they are both implementing some of the stuff in Warband mods into Bannerlord and they are dedicated to releasing a sophisticated modding tool so we can probably expect that people will eventually make some pretty good Rome mods.
>>899888
*base game itself
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>>899673
They look so happy.
>>899818
Yeah, the Scutum Romanum became the primary leg protection for legionnaires.
>>898529
parry large weapons maybe. Nothing like a rapier
>>899620
That dude mistook himself for a fucking building
>>899789
what book is this from?
>>899756
kek
10/10 file name
>>899715
That Roman hoplite looks pretty /fa/ with that color combo.
>>899791
Theres a diablo 2 clone though. It's called Titan Quest.
Proper Hellenic Thureos shields. Though adopted from the Celts the Greeks made them their own, giving them a concave shape and distinct central bosses. Usually plain colours rather than any patterns.
>>897713
that's one happy motherfucker
These look crazy
>>901816
Titan Quest was pretty nice. They should have made more of it to be quite honest.
Always liked these wee pictish yokes
>>897147
?????????
roman shield, it covers your entire body, in a shield wall you are very well protected.
it was perfect with the short stabbing sword. They go into a semi-phalanx and stab stab,
straya cunt
>>903996
also strayan, with a more novel design
>>903996
Abos more advanced than than Japan in shield technology confirmed.
>>897717
is Wankel shield named after Wankel Engine?
Why do people always assume that barbarians fought without armours or even naked? It just doesn't make sense.
>>904300
Celts sort of did.
Except shield + helmet qualifies as armor and a lot of Greeks/Romans plebs fought in a likewise manner. The First Legions wore nothing but some shitty pectoral plate for armor.
>>904305
Celts had excellent armor
Also reminder that the most widely used Roman helmet was originally a Celtic design
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montefortino_helmet
>>904300
Because people don't really question what they see in "historical" movies. And I'm not trying to be condescending; I didn't really question what I "learned" about the CSI from the tv show for the longest time either.
They might also associate the idea of a "primitive barbarian" with, say, natives of Sub-Saharan Africa or America, who run around half naked; pic related is what an English artist from the 1500s assumed the Picts looked like from his time as a colonist
>>903564
damn, pham
>>896980
Always was fond of this shield and the fighting style of the men wielding it
>>896980
That left one looks like a vagina with a low clit.
>>899620
I always thought Mycenaean armor was bizarre as fuck.
What shield should I get to complete my Germanic set? If you can't tell (you should be) I'm on a budget.
>>906538
That sheath is a bit dubious senpai
>>906551
Tell further
>>905210
So, I can maybe, maybe, understand that people might imagine the Picts like that. There are lots of stories of the naked Picts painted in blue and with spiked hair attacking the Romans.
But why do we have that idea for the rest of the Celts? They were the premiere metal smiths of their time, especially when dealing with iron and steel, and they were well known for their trousers.
>>906794
Romanabooism has ruined quite a bit of historical analysis and European culture.
>>897713
Late republican legionary is my favorite legionary
simplicity and oval tower shields are my fetish
>>897941
you gotta love osprey artists ability to believably convey human emotion and fluid bodily movement
>>896980
>one peice of wood
try again
>>906538
get a basic round shield
or make one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02IvxvGh-A8
>>907591
What?
>>905019
The nobles and richer warriors did.
Your regular Freeman soldier can only into helmet and shield.
![EL0057-3-1(L)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IwXgxK3.jpg "EL0057-3-1(L)[1].jpg")
>>897649
even cropped that sword looks huge... if you used that weapon with a shield you probably run out of breath after a couple of swings
also, posting the best shield
>>898297
>only protecting the vital organs
fuck me if i care about my vital organs, why didn't that vest protect your dick too?
>>907675
you might as well have posted lindybeige if you're going to post skall. next up thrand and ildgrim
>>897712
"die thane"
"nay"
>>897546
I'm liking that over the grip on the spears. Most people hold them in a retarded way when the phalanx is portrayed.
>>899787
utterly convinced most swords that were made for use by infantry were garbage tier and probably uncomfortable to use and to hold.
>>907954
Most infantry short swords were p. comfy because you can use them in very close quarters.
>>899765
>Painting hands is hard, so I'll just paint this guy giving a on-the-saddle handjob.
>>907966
>tfw no qt squire boy to give me a handjob before I ride into battle
>>907905
My nigga
>>907966
Thaks you bastard now i can only see a servant giving his lord a pre batlle handjob
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>>898477
it's weird how true this is.
greeks are rook same.
I dated a girl who was half greek and I couldn't stop staring at her side profile. for reference boxxy is part greek
>>904300
Some did due to religious reasons or because they were high as fuck before battle (like the Gaesatae). But all in all, it's not even that weird. I mean, greeks fought naked a lot before and after their golden era, mostly because if you have no armor, it's better to be naked than to be clothed (since clothes can infect a wound).
But yeah, it's mostly romebooism.
Also, on a sidenote related to this, I know it's a meme and I shouldn't take it seriously, but I find the whole WE WUZ thing annoying as fuck. As in, I'm mad about the fact that people are making fun of these new series of studies about obscure or subjugated cultures that never got attention of the academia due to insufficient epistemology and methodology to do so or due to prejudice.
And it's not like it's a completly useless line of thought even if you are a romeboo or greekboo or whatever, since learning about how these other cultures interacted with them can really explain a lot about the culture of the romans/greeks/other hegemonic power of the time.
I know there are extreme cases of revisionism like the whole "hannibal was black" thing, which is completly retarded, but most of the time it's reasonable stuff.
>>898231
>tfw you realize you'd be so clueless if suddenly transported to Rome that you wouldn't even be able to put on shoes without looking like an idiot
>>897941
wait did they walk around dragging that huge ass door on their backs? it looks cool, but I don't see the functionality
>>910141
I'm aware I'm poking a beehive here, but were Carthaginians not dark-skinned North Africans as we'd see them today?
>>910527
Its made of wicker and hide. It's light and durable as fuck.
>>899713
>that look on the guy to the right
Kek
>>910667
>let me tell you about islam
>>896980
any idea where I could buy one of those?
>>898471
Greeks are turkish rape babies
>>897546
>Exposed lower thights. one guy without grieves
2/10 phalanx
