Why doesn't he ever get talked about that much ?
We have tons of documents,books,movies and etc on Hitler and a fair amount on Stalin, but this guy never gets talked about much in general. Its like he's barely even acknowledged.
>>890525
His role in historical is dramatically overshadowed by others in his time.
>>890525
It's harder to use him to push a political narrative.
>>890525
He's more talked about than Stalin here tho. There's literally a thread about him every third day. Hell if you ignore meme references, he's more talked about than fucking Hitler here.
>>890525
dunno how it is in europe, but Mussolini is rarely talked about. His political victories are completely overshadowed by Italy's shitty military that had no business being in WW2.
He sucked Hitler's cock just to get Germany to subsidize nearly the entire Italian war machine. Had he waited, he probably could've gone after Spain and become Aragon 2.0
I think its because Italy was and still is regarded as fairly impotent when compared to the red army or the Wehrmacht. I know that even in my WW2 class in high school we only talked abut him in passing.
>>890525
He's far less interesting desu. Yeah he codified fascism and was the first to implement it in his state but that's about it. Nobody really cares about swamp draining and minor war crimes in Slovenia and Somalia.
>>890525
He was a mediocre politician all things considered. His only accomplishment was his meteoric ascent to power and his serving as a prototype for the model of fascism perfected by the Nazis.
In terms of his role in the most important events of his time, he was insignificant. The glorious neo-roman legions he envisioned got their asses kicked Ethiopians of all people. He was unable to expand Italy's holdings at all.
His rule lacked the genuine charisma and iron will of Hitler. In every way he was a failure at what he set out to accomplish .
>>890708
Why do people feel the need to comment on topics they have absolutely no knowledge of at all? Under Mussolini Italy reached its maximum territorial extension.
>>890525
Italy is heavily underrated in every history media
>>890731
he also dealt pretty well with the '29 crisis and did a good job in international politics until '35
>>890731
it may have reached its height but the territory it occupied was largely worthless. Libya and Somalia, Ethiopia, Albania and Mediterranean islands weren't lucrative colonies. They probably cost more to occupy and administer than they profited Italy. I think Mussolini's was far more successful at creating a fascist culture, aesthetics and art. The art, at least, was a lot better than what the Nazis promoted.
He industrialized Italy, he dried up the swamps in the north to make way for infrastructure and industrial growth. He made the trains more efficient and running on time. He increased the Italian kingdom's borders with Libya, Albania and East Africa. He was a fascist and promoted assimilation of Italian culture onto conquered people. The main difference with hitler was that his ideals were rooted in Italian/European cultural superiority rather than racial superiority like Hitler. Despite that he had respect for local customs. Built mosuqes in newly founded cities and villages which caused many Africans to fight for his army. Unfortunately, a "benevolent" fascist leader does not do well with the post war seperation of evil Axis and good allies.
>>890708
Mussolini was a political genius IMO,
it was the restrictions of Fascism however that limited him though.
In a system which essentially demands war (which implies the necessity of being good at war), he was a fish caught in dead air.
>>891203
He was doing pretty well until Hitler dragged him into WWII. If he'd played it slow, or stayed in the anti-Hitler camp and entered the war on the side of the Allies, he'd be a success.
>inb4 Ethiopia
There's good reason why Ethiopia wasn't conquered by either the Muslims or the European powers before.
>>891226
>He was doing pretty well until Hitler dragged him into WWI
ON THE CONTRARY, ADOLF HITLER'S WAR STRUGGLE WAS ON HIS SIDE UNTIL THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF HIS ALLY'S —BENITO MUSSOLINI'S— INEPTNESS BEGAN TO BECOME MANIFEST.
>>890731
It met maximum territory for what, several months? It doesn't count if they held it for a few weeks
>>891203
>fascism demands war
Except it doesn't. That's National Socialism. Fascism can exist just fine in peace time, and Mussolini did fine until Hitler dragged him into his shit. Hell if Italy stayed out you could've seen a semi-fascist bloc of Italy, Spain and Portugal post-war.
>>890562
/thread
>>890525
Mussolini mass-murdered Ethiopians & Libyans.
Libyans & Ethiopians don't control the media.
>>891541
Sorry, let me clarify what I mean:
ITALIAN Fascism demands war, due to it being so intertwined with Futurism.
>"“For twenty-seven years we Futurists have rebelled against the branding of war as anti-aesthetic ... Accordingly we state:... War is beautiful because it establishes man’s dominion over the subjugated machinery by means of gas masks, terrifying megaphones, flame throwers, and small tanks. War is beautiful because it initiates the dreamt-of metalization of the human body. War is beautiful because it enriches a flowering meadow with the fiery orchids of machine guns. War is beautiful because it combines the gunfire, the cannonades, the cease-fire, the scents, and the stench of putrefaction into a symphony. War is beautiful because it creates new architecture, like that of the big tanks, the geometrical formation flights, the smoke spirals from burning villages, and many others ... Poets and artists of Futurism! ... remember these principles of an aesthetics of war so that your struggle for a new literature and a new graphic art ... may be illumined by them!”"
>>890708
>add lots of pseudo-science, superstitions and needless traditionalism
"perfected"
>>891541
Ah so Im not the only one who has those retarded dreams?
>>892256
>Bonapartism
>far right
wew lad
>>890708
wrong.
Hitler inherited a great army and was surrounded by weak neighbors until he got to the USSR and the English Channel (the strongest thing in all of Europe).
Moussilini was surrounded by and tried to invade places that have been rebellion for over a century by the time he came around. Rebels are harder to fight than armies.
>>892309
I actually don't know, and would like to know more, but didn't the Versailles peace treaty demand the >great army to be dismantled? How did that go?
>>892365
You can dismantle the army but the know-how (excellent officer corps, military schools, excellent army-industry symbiosis, strong traditions and discipline) was still there, even if it was unemployed. It was just a matter of getting the band back together, so to speak.
>>892272
Revolutionary syndicalism isn't far right either, but Sorel had a huge influence on the far right. Same reason why Bonapartism is included.
Also note how it's 1815-1870, so obviously it's post-Bonaparte bonapartism.
>>891781
So why do Leftists call him(and hitler for that matter) Reactionary?
They had some Reactionary elements but they were mostly Futurists
>>892427
>tearing shit down is better than building things up
that has reactionary written all over it.
>>892427
An average person derides things he doesn't like for whatever reason as "fascist".
Since actual fascists can't use the term, they use "reactionary" instead.
>>892427
not at all, futurists did join the fascist movement in large numbers but futurism is not the same as fascism. case in point, d'annunzio, the lead futurist, never had a prominent place in mussolini's italy.
>>892256
you need to put boulangism (late 1880s) alongside bonapartism, senpai. also le pen's fronte nationale is related to fascism, right? also futurism and the italian nationalist association were predecessors to italian fascism. the two merged into the movement in the 1920s.
>>892548
thanks senpai, its still a WIP.
>>892427
fascism pursues reactionary goals by revolutionary means
>>892579
np, Stanley Payne's "History of Fascism" (http://bookzz.org/book/958286/8f0185) dedicates like the first 100 pages to exploring the origins of fascism, with austrian and german precedents I can't remember. Richard Thurlow does the same in the beginning of "Fascism in Britain" (http://bookzz.org/book/822999/8e95c1), where he discusses the national leagues for rearmament, joseph chamberlain and other such predecessors. I like your idea very much and I wish you the best of luck.
Whats do Italians these days think about Mussolini ?
>>894066
Many still idolize him, but the majority considers him an idiot that led us into a war bigger than ourselves, and reached his objectives in ways too radical to actually let them stand as good things. For example yes, he erased public debt, but only by making us an isolationist country and thus bringing down quality of life and the country's economical power.
