Who are the five most influential people in history?
Augustus
Alexander
Attila
Genghis
Hitler
>>887374
The first five guys to reliaze that you can bury seeds to make plants appear
>>887447
>warmongers and political figures are THE MOST influential people in history
>not even bothering to include Jesus
Kamehameha
Oda Nobunaga
Justinian
Tito
Shaka Zulu
>>887374
Jerry, Matt, Jim, Chad, and Ben Murrell
>>887468
Why Tito?
the question makes no sense until we have an agreed upon method of quantifying influence
>>887496
He always gives those useful Hawaiian sayings, I'm sure it's helped someone.
This is a really tough thing to discuss since there's different definitions of historical influence. If I was to make a list it would be
0. Abraham (if we had any certifiable proof he existed, then he would be number 1. He probably didnt exist or was a combination of a whole slew of different people)
1. Jesus
2. Alexander
3. Mohammed
4. Buddha
5. Caeser
I think most of the religious ones are easy due to just how important religion was too people. Honestly, I feel like im leaving out people like Confucius, Genghis Kahn and Charlemagne.
>>887542
>was
*tips*
>>887542
Excellent post my fellow atheist! It's unfortunate that religion has been holding back humanity for millennia, luckily now there are people like us who are rational enough not to believe in an invisible sky man haha.
>>887374
1. Homer - The Ur-father of the ideological lense through which we view the world
2. St. Peter - the 1st follower is the most important part of a movement; Christianity is essential for the last ~1800 years of western civilization
3. Caesar or Augustus - without them, Rome wouldnt be seen as what it is today
4. Aristotle - invented logic, invented backwards essentialist ideology that led to the bad things of the so called dark ages.
5. Karl Marx - for 150 years still the only competing model to various capitalism.
Of course all of these stand for the people that were necessary for them to exist, as well. E.g. Marx needs Feuerbach, Hegel, Furier, Ricardo; Sulla is a conditio sine qua non for Caesar, which is the same to Augustus...
>>887633
All those people killed and revolutions started in the name of St. Peter. You're 100% right on the mark there.
>>887542
If you're going to post Abraham, why not just go the full monty and say Adam? We know from human genetics that he actually did exist
>>887633
It doesn't matter who the most influential people were influenced by.
It's like saying a tree is important because of it's roots.
>>887503
It is possible to quantify the answering party's interpretation of "influence" based on their 5 choices. It's a discussion, not a "yes or no" grade school assignment.
>>887542
Not a bad selection, despite your visible fedora.
>>887605
This is why I come here.
>>887633
A+ to you my friend.
I'll take some time to think about my own top 5.
Jesus
Hammurabi
Siddartha Gautama
Confucius
Socrates
>>887742
>Socrates
*Plato
Do you even /his/
>>887509
Nigga you cool
>>887374
>Jesus
>Mohammed
>Cyrus the great
>Alexander the great
>Karl Marx
>>887761
You may be right, as most of what we know about Socrates comes from Plato. I put him because he was Plato's immidiate mentor and predecessor (just as Plato was for Aristotle before he broke off and developed his differing ideas).
Zarathustra
Shakespeare
Buddha
Charlemagne
Julius Caesar
>>887374
Tubal-Cain
Noah
Abraham
David
Jesus
>>887830
>Shakespeare
he did loads for culture but he didn't dramatically shape the course of history unless I'm mistaken
>>887831
At least two of those people didn't exist.
>>887842
I would think someone who contributes as much to culture as Shakespeare did would count as influential
>>887859
If you're really that concerned with the effect a literary figure might have on the course of history, then Homer is nearly 100x more important than Shakespeare.
>>887814
Fair deuce.
Revised list, now with reasons.
Jesus (founder of biggest religion)
Siddartha Gautama (founder of religion/philosophy that has been extremely influential in the orient)
Hammurabi (written law codes, ubiquitous in nations/states since)
Confucius (probably most influential Chinese historical figure, China is the worlds mos populous country)
Plato (father of Western philosophy as we know it)
>>887856
Making them even more influential.
>>887866
Your reasoning for Confucius is bumfuck retarded, but you're right. Taoism was created as a reactionary measure against Confucianism so it makes sense that, those two in turn being among the (debatably the) most prominent Eastern philosophies, Confucius should be on the list.
>>887865
That's fair
>>887738
>>887814
>It doesn't matter who the most influential people were influenced by.
Of course it does. Putting Marx instead of Hegel is arguable, and somewhat arbitrary. It is quite literally the point of the debate - if it didn't matter, there would be no point discussing the original question at all
>It's like saying a tree is important because of it's roots.
Are you retarded? If you want to use the tree analogy, it would be more like "What is the most prominent part of a tree?" - "The stem, although it could not exist without the roots"
Your use of "because" seriously makes me question your grasp of the english language, friend, almost as much as your grasp of history.
The first human
Jesus
Muhammed
Gravillo Princip
Me
>>887374
1. Jesus of Nazareth
2. Alexander the great
3. Adolph Hitler
4. Atila
5. Columbus
>>887729
uwot
>>887902
tl;dr it is the "sphere" of influence your legacy leaves behind that determines your historical influence. The more people you touch or effect, the more you live on in spirit. That's why Jesus is an essential part of these lists.
>>887913
Cute spelling buddy, but I don't think 14 year olds are allowed on 4chan.
>>887892
>le grammar nazi
>>>/reddit/
>>887926
Sorry, I typed once "adolph" for "Adolph von Menzel" in my phone and since then everytime i type "Adolf" it autocorrects to "Adolph"
>Leader of the First Tribe
>Whoever orchestrated the myth of Jesus
>Mohammad Ali
>George Bush (did 9/11)
>Ayy Lmaoo
I was thinking about including Napoleon on my list since his reign pretty much gave form to modern Europe, but I´m not sure if I should put the philosophers who actually kind of started the whole French revolution (thinking about Voltair and the like).
My reasoning for putting Napoleon so high on the list comes from the reasoning that without him it´s pretty likely that the german states would still be that, states, hence no franco prussian war, nor WWI nor II.
What does /his/ think?
>>887960
Those were the same person though
>>887960
Lost it at "Whoever orchestrated the myth of Jesus"
>>887913
I take your Hitler and up you an Kaiser Wilhem II.
Will also take your Columbus and up you a Queen Isabel the Catholic. Since not only they funded the expedition but also created the whole structure for the colonies.
>>887926
>Caring about one or two letters being wrong
You damn well get the idea of his post
1.Alexander the Great
3.Your mom
3.Your sister
4.Your daughter
5.My dick
>>888020
LOL
>not one mention of Johannes Gutenberg
Abraham if he ever lived
Jesus
Mohammad
Marx
Platon
Jesus
Muhammad
Luther
Napoleon
Hitler
1: Karl Marx - Literally defined all politics after him. Basically can be credited for the Labour movement, Social Democracy, Social Sciences and "Scientific Socialism" (before Karl Marx Socialism was more a Star Trek Sci-Fi concept). Literally defined Capitalism as a system, developed Crisis theory which is basically the major theory still today in Social Science (fell out of favour in the 20th century, but was revived in the 70s and 80s and all other theories collapsed).
2: Vladimir Lenin - Russian Revolution was an event that defined the 20th century, WW2 can be tied too it, The Cold War etc. Leninism is still an incredibly popular Political movement throughout the Developing world. It is often argued within Polisci that without Leninism as it's competitor we probably would have not seen the social benefits of Capitalism in the western world and we would have seen a brutal continuation of 19th century hierarchy.
3: Qin Shi Huang - Created a country and culture that is the largest and oldest continuous country and culture on earth. China also developed modern bureaucratic and market structures about 2000 years before anyone else in the world. That has too say fucking something.
4: Jesus/St.Peter/Constantine: Basically the Catholic fucking Church, since it's origins are so mired in myth I'll just put all these three. The Catholic Church was the defining structure of the western world for 1600 years all power flowed too it and and flowed from it. Too bad the church was BTFO'ed by Capitalism.
5: Mohammed - Pretty much the same as Christianity, huge power for thousands of years, though unlike Christianity which has been BTFO'ed, Islam still projects huge amounts of power over it's believers in the 21st century
>>887740
>a discussion
the discussion boils down to competing theories of influence, so we might as well skip the lists and go straight to that
>>887740
>This is why I come here.
That's why you come here? Fedora jokes? Are you also amused by keys jingling and r/funny?
>>887463
>In history
>>887374
1) Anon
2) Trump
3) Anon
4) Anon
5) Me
>>887374
>Hitler
>Jesus
>Caesar
>Muhammad
>Martin Luther
>>887374
....
Dylan
Dylan
Dylan
and Dylan
Alexander
Jesus
Newton
Hitler
Napoleon
>>888157
This
>>887459
It was probably women since they did the gathering and not the hunting.
Anybody saying jesus is an idiot. Sure whether he existed or not, he made an impact, but the OP clearly said people. Not fucking gods.
>>887913
>Atilla
the only place where he is relevant is in Hungary, and that's just a stupid Magyar meme
of the people we have names for:
Ur-Nammu
St. Paul
Mohammad
George Washington
Einstein
if we're going with people without names, then throw in whoever invented agriculture and whoever invented writing
>>887447
Scratch Attila. What did he honestly do that changed the Roman landscape? The west was already in a death-spiral and he wasn't alive when the Huns started the chain push of tribes from the east.
>>888494
Stop spitting hot fire son.
Newton
Gutenberg
Abraham
Homer
Ghengis Khan
>>887374
Jesus
Confucious
Muhammad
Buddah
Socrates
>>889787
>Einstein
explain
he did important contributions to science, but his influence on developing nuclear weapons is little bit overrated
I'd say that Turing, Zuse, Brattain/Bardeen/Shockley had bigger influence on modern world than he does.
>>889842
I think it is his contribution to our understanding of the universe (gravity, relativity, cosmology etc.) that is far more important than his marginal role in the development of the bomb
Gavrillo princip
>starts ww1
>germans send lenin to russia
>siezethemeansofproduction.gif
>ussr reks hitler
>ussr starts shit in middle east
>9/11
Princip did 9/11
>Jesus
>Muhammad
>Alexander
>Genghis
>Hitler
>>887374
The guy who invented fire
The guy who invented money
Edward Jenner
Alexander Fleming
Fritz Haber
if by "influential" the OP means the people that have shaped the modern world, then why the fuck are so many people putting Alexander the Great so high?
I see almost no way his empire or the Diadochi have influenced the world we live in today beside from him being
>le great
>>887374
Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Genghis, Constantine
Jesus
Gutenberg
Martin Luther
Augustus
The hammer or whatever his name was, the guy who cleaned Spain and Portugal of moors
The last one prob not but he's cool to me
>>890690
You're confusing El Cid with Charles Martel.
>>890107
here you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Legacy
>>889637
the historical Jesus, of whose existence there appears to be mild consensus, was obviously not a God.
>>889902
Thank you!!!
