Is this a Christ allegory?
>>869200
>be around before christ
> must be a Christ analogy
>>869272
>he thinks the recorded Norse sagas are pre-Christian
Pro-tip: Most of them were written by Christians
>>869280
recorded by christians*
>>869272
there are huge reasons to believe the more christian-looking elements in norse mythology are later insertions by the monks who recorded them.
>>869200
It kind of reminds me at points about David's son Absalom.
>>869284
Same difference really. It's not like snowniggers were capable of writing extended narratives.
>>869280
Pre Christian runestones exist and norwegian paganism survived until 1200's
I know that humans were sacrificed to Odin in the same way by hanging from trees and being stabbed by a spear, so I don't think they got that from Christ's crucifixion, but what about the whole sacrificing himself to himself thing?
>>869308
Most runestones are mere grave markers or status displays and read basically along the lines of
>THIS SDONE WAS PUT HERE BY GURDUR HE WAS A BIG GUY :-DDDD
None of the runestones contain anything resembling "literature" and the only reason the sagas were written down was because of the Christian monastic tradition.
All this Christian ressentment for Pagan religions.
>>869396
>>869446
Yeah you're just proving the point. Christians on this board are defined by nothing but hate.
I have no stance for or against Paganism but I guess since I said something negative about Christianity I must be part of an evil Jewish plot.
Honestly 4chan's Christianity is pure cancer: it's a theology defined by anger and paranoia.
>>869460
Truth is truth.
>>869460
>it's a theology defined by anger and paranoia
Welcome to 4chan, friend.
>>869483
>truth
>>869511
Why do fedoras think quoting comedians about spirituality is persuasive?
>George Carlin
>Penn Jillette
>Ricky Gervais
>Bill Maher
Comedians are consistently the most cynical and unhappy people on Earth, although now that I think about it, this might be why fedoras are drawn to them.
>>869511
Why is he such a tactless positivist retard?
>>869511
False dichotomy pls go.
>>869552
>I don't know who Spinoza is
>>869552
2/10 made me reply
>>869542
>not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings
So in other words you agree with Penn, religion is made-up nonsense.
>>869541
But he's not a positivist and he brings up a good point. Do you really think people would rediscover Christianity in the same form if it were one day to be wiped clean from the world?
>>869542
>False dichotomy pls go.
But the people here aren't arguing for something like Spinoza's God, or Plotinus' God, or the Stoic's God. They're arguing for a Palestinian Jewish zombie who wants your psychic approval to save you from an eternity of suffering of his own creation.
>>869552
>logic and reason
Humans have no organ for truth.
>>869542
Why should we concern ourselves with God, then? That would make theology about as useful as exogalactic astronomy, and it would put organized religion on the same level as astrology.
>>869576
>Do you really think people would rediscover Christianity in the same form if it were one day to be wiped clean from the world?
>implying God wouldn't just reveal Himself again
>>869583
>u can't know nuffin!
Just because you'll never stop pushing that rock up the hill is no reason to stop pushing that rock up that damn hill, because your only option is letting it crush you and committing intellectual suicide.
>>869460
>Christians on this board are defined by nothing but hate.
Proof?
>>869583
Nor do they need one. Truth remains true even if your body is vaporized. What would a truth organ even do?
>>869587
So, you're delusional, is what you're saying.
>>869594
The fact that they do literally nothing but shit up threads about things they don't like and are by far the most vociferous and cancerous group of shitposters on this board, who if subjected to sweeping permanent range bans would increase board quality dramatically?
>>869557
>I don't realize that the naive acceptance of spooks made Einstein and countless others shittier physicists or I'm too dumb to care
>>869597
What I'm saying is that Christianity is the product of divine revelation. If Christianity were to be magically erased from history, there is nothing to prevent God from revealing Himself again.
>>869600
>yfw
>>869600
>range bans
I don't think range bans work like you think they do, neckbeard.
>>869587
It's funny because Bahaism and to a lesser extent Islam claim that but even they admit "God/God's Truth" was not revealed in the same way each time and you have to do some creative reading to assimilate the wildly differing worldviews of God's prophets.
>>869605
The fact that Christianity has done nothing but splinter into constant heresies since its inception, and God has yet to reveal himself again (or at all, in the first place) to clear up these heresies says that there's no reason to believe your non-existent God would reveal himself if Christianity were wiped out. More likely, people would cook up new woowoo to believe in, and then claim it was an objective truth brought about via divine revelation, because they're too stupid to figure out that liars and crazy people exist, and sometimes write books.
>>869605
What prevented God from revealing himself until circa 33 AD?
>>869605
That's just your opinion
>>869610
>>869611
No argument. It's nice that you admit you're the cancer. You got to enjoy a brief stint on top when the fedora meme became popular, but now the pendulum is swinging back and you'll be rightly reviled for your shitty behaviour. You shouldn't have been so cancerous, but it's too late now.
>>869614
That's because Bahaism/Islam/whatever all rely on "prophets" to interpret "God's" will for them, whereas Jesus is literally God in the flesh.
>>869617
The different Christian sects all agree that Jesus is God and rose from the dead and that's all that really matters in the end.
>>869632
Feel free to teach me more about Atheistic civilisation then, neckbeard.
>>869619
He revealed Himself to the Israelites before Jesus was born.
>>869620
It's the truth.
>>869632
t. Memeologist
>>869642
>He revealed Himself to the Israelites before Jesus was born
Well, why didn't the Israelites become Christians?
>>869649
Some of them did.
>>869318
Im pretty sure hanging was the preferred way.
>>869649
Why aren't YOU a Christian yet?
>inb4 muh logic and reasoning skills have lead be to ignore the entire history of civilizations and ideas and believe that we could be exploring the galaxy if only those hunter-gatherers at Gobleki Tepe had never developed myths to explain their surroundings
Well this thread went from shit to worse quite fast.
>>869668
Because I see "a servant of Christ" fuck different women daily from my window.
>>869674
>>869576
>Do you really think people would rediscover Christianity in the same form if it were one day to be wiped clean from the world?
On what evidence do you make your assertion that it wouldn't? Cause I can just say "I don't know." and then you actually have to make up an actual argument.
>>869676
Which is why you should follow Christ and not those who claim to serve Him.
>>869676
And you want to be with him in hell?
>>869676
Post pics.
>>869676
>one sample necessarily represents an entire population
kill yourself
>>869698
>Following Christ
>Heretical
>>869698
>I'm already in hell, pal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0
>>869703
Don't you have some money to swindle from poor grandmas in front of the tv in the name of your devil-god Luther?
>>869713
[accusations intensify]
>>869718
The kikes said the same thing about Jesus for not following their laws.
>>869642
Yes, I'm sure it is, just like the dozens of other religions that claim to be divinely revealed, but the one you happened to be born into is special of course.
>>869727
Nice unrelated comic m8.
>The kikes said the same thing about Jesus for not following their laws.
And what does this have in common with Protestants cutting out books from the Bible?
>>869730
I was born a sinner, I had to be made into a Christian.
>>869741
>protestant "art"
>>869681
The fact there's no external basis for Christianity. It's just a set of stories, so they wont invent the same stories a second time around because the external stimulus will be different.
>>869698
These are your good days.
These are the times of your life.
These are the days you will remember fondly.
>>869740
Both instances have in common Satan's children attacking God's children for not following the letter of their laws.
>>869740
The papists have heretical books in their bible, and make fun of Christians for not including said heretical books.
kek
>>869755
You mean Protestants attacking Catholics based on Luther's theses?
Well, can't argue with that.
>>869745
>>869727
I'm catholic but I found this funny.
>>869752
The basis is, and always will be, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, died for the sins of the world, and rose on the third day to be alive forevermore.
Objectively the best recorded event in ancient history.
>>869764
You could at least make some effort and name some of them.
Also I'm not Catholic.
>>869764
Deuterocanonical doesn't mean heretical.
>>869772
Prove that all of that happened. It's just mythology.
>>869765
No, I mean Satan's children sperging out over people being lead by God's Spirit instead of the law's letter.
>>869777
It does, actually. Second canon, canon being sacred.
>>869778
Prove that it's all just mythology.
>>869783
What he said is also true. The papacy was an evil, vile, wicked institution, and Luther's complaints were pretty much all validated.
>>869794
>Romans
>Catholic
>>869787
Positive claim must be first proven. You claim that all this fantastical shit went down with Jesus, but since you don't have any evidence, I dismiss it out of hand. Until you prove it, I will continue to just dismiss it out of hand, because you're a delusional retard who the world would be better off without (secular nations universally have better quality of life). But hey, you give up that idiocy and you can live your life as a free man who is solely responsible for his own choices.
>>869767
Protestantism is the total absence of any fine culture whatsoever, which is why it's so popular with americans, the absolutely most barbaric people in the entire world.
>>869799
Well, Pope was the religious head of the Church before 476.
>>869794
>Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.
No, it doesn't. The positive claim is that the fantastic shit claimed about Jesus went down. Until that's proven, there is no external basis for Christianity.
But you'll never prove it, Christians have never gotten past this and never fucking will.
>>869786
Not, it means "source of wisdom not of law or dogma".
>>869804
At least in the West.
>>869801
How embarrassing.
>>869806
You do know that I literally said that?
>>869804
>
>>869815
Oh shit. I misread.
>>869800
You made a positive claim, asswipe.
You declared the gospel to be mythology.
Prove it or STFU.
>>869794
Holy fuck do you atheists not understand reason.
Man made a claim: the resurrection of Jesus Christ is mythology.
Prove it.
>>869816
>head of the Church is not derived from a head of the Church
wew
>>869807
Dogma is true.
Not of dogma is false.
Not of the Law is false.
Dig your hole deeper why don't you.
>>869823
You don't seem to understand that claiming something to NOT happen is NOT a positive claim.
>>869828
Head of the church is Jesus, not some old roman stand-in.
>>869820
No, he made a positive claim, and I rejected it out of hand. I know you're Christian, and thus automatically terrible at logic, but I want you to try, I mean try your absolute best here. He claimed that fantastical shit went down that justifies Christianity externally as more than a set of stories and mythology, I told him to prove it and called it mythology. But the positive claim is still with him. Are we getting this yet, or do I need to use simpler words for your benefit?
>>869828
>If a Roman says it, it must be true
wew
ewe
wew
>>869831
"The story of Jesus Christ is mythology."
FUCKING PROVE IT
>>869834
YOU MADE A POSITIVE CLAIM.
THIS IS THAT.
FUCKING PROVE IT.
>>869844
U mad bro?
No, I didn't. A rejection of a positive claim is not a positive claim. You cannot prove a negative, this is why criminals aren't expect to prove they didn't do something when defending themselves; the prosecution is expected to prove a crime occurred.
>>869741
>yfw people who profess themselves to be Christians would have personally nailed him to the cross if they were born as Hebrews in Israel around his days
>>869858
>If Jesus says it, it must be true
FTFY
>>869871
>tfw
>>869873
>Jesus said that Pope is not the head of the Church
Source.
>>869860
"The resurrection of Jesus Christ is mythology."
Prove it.
>>869871
If you don't nail Him to the cross, you have no part in Him.
>>869871
>>869876
Who or what would the son of god be if he was born today? Would be fire bomb planned parenthood and attend Trump rallies or would he be the guy standing next to Carl the Cuck and Aids skrillex.
>>869878
Jesus never said anything about a pope at all and that should tell you all you need to know.
But here's Paul explaining how Jesus (not the pope) is the head of the church:
>15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
- Colossians 1:15-18
>>869878
It's called the bible.
Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
>>869871
>>yfw people who profess themselves to be Christians would have personally nailed him to the cross if they were born as Hebrews in Israel around his days
But do we not already personaly nail him to the cross everyday? Christ died for us, to save us ffrom pur sins and, if we are faithful, deliver us to everlasting happiness and peace with Him. Our every sin, no matter how small, contributes more to his suffering and death that day than anything the jews or Romans did to Him.
If one is true in their profession of faith, then they will already be rejecting, to the best of their ability, nailing Christ to the cross as they resist tempatation and do not partake in sin and encorage others to do the same.
>>869912
>he is the head of the body, the church
>>869898
>Would be fire bomb planned parenthood and attend Trump rallies or would he be the guy standing next to Carl the Cuck and Aids skrillex.
False dichotomy. Both are equally unrepresentative of christ. Certainly it is impossible to know for sure what christ would appear as if he came today, as if we assume that that means he never came before that changes a fuckload of things, and it's hard to determine what the equivalent of a jewish rabbi would be in the modern world, though most likely if he's returning, he's coming in full glory this time, like he was post-resurrection.
>>869900
Of course, but the Pope is Vicarius Christi.
>>869912
If you care about accolades on an anonymous Thai pog trading board, you're not me.
>>869912
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
>>869923
>muh Latin
>>869923
Yes, the pope is an antichrist. This one is likely the False Prophet.
>>869934
>heretics are to dumb to understand anything but the languages of barbarians and snowniggers.
Heretici est stulti. Tuus es hereticus, ergo tuus es stultus.
>>869950
>>869200
Not really. But you will find very similar concepts in religions around the world, so it's either that most of them stem from the same proto-religion that was diversified into what we know, or that people around the world have similar enough ways of thinking and emotions to come up with similar myths. Self-sacrifice is such a common concept found around the entire globe, and I think we can agree that let's say Xipe Totec, for one, is not a Christ allegory.
But you can find many of these things yourself, especially in religions that are geographically close to eachother. For example, I'm pretty sure Satan (the tempter in the Garden of Eden who was cast down for what he did) and Prometheus are two versions of the same figure, it's just that one culture evolved to promote liberty and free thinking, while the other didn't.
>>870379
>it's just that one culture evolved to promote liberty and free thinking, while the other didn't.
Except Prometheus was cursed to have his intestines eaten by eagles for all eternity so even the Greeks understood that figures who defy the divine in the name of "liberty and free thinking" get what they deserve in the end.
>>870404
Except Prometheus wasn't considered a driving force behind most of the world's evil for his actions.
>>870419
The point is that like Satan, he is punished for his actions.
>>870433
Leave Tyr out of this.
>>870419
No, but Zeus did punish the world through the curiosity of Pandora in response to Prometheus, extremely similar to Yahweh punishing the world through Eve's curiosity in response to Satan.
It's not a 1:1 match, but the themes of God punishing mankind through women because a rival granted them knowledge, and torturing that rival for his actions, are all present.
>>869898
He would probably be like one of those right wing radio personalities that talk 50% of the time about how awful the world is and 50% about global conspiracies. Maybe he'd have a blog with about 500 uniques, drowned out by the thousands of other blogs with the exact same content.
It's hard to appreciate just how many apocalyptic reform Judaism preachers there were at the time. Jesus would be drowned out now just as much as back then.
>>870489
underrated post
>>870471
I still say the connotations are different. The figure of Prometheus isn't held in revulsion as Satan is, and while Pandora's box did follow, his actions were still ultimately the thing that spurred mankind's eventual climb to something better, whereas Satan's resulted purely in a fall from grace.
>>870950
Yes. That's my point when I say that they both evolved from the same character in some proto-myth, (not the anon you are replying to) but their corresponding cultures' attitude to questioning, freedom and the like resulted in different interpretations of the story. It's pretty much the same, as we don't even know what the Tree of Life (or knowledge)? was. One of the most ancient entities in existence defies the commands of the boss entity(ies) and brings humans something that sets them out on the path we are on right now. In return, the boss entities cast him down to an abyss of eternal suffering. It's too much of a specific storyline to be a coincidence. Besides, fire is basically light. Satan is often referred to as Lucifer, meaning Lightbringer. I know that Satan, Lucifer and other demons weren't the same as they are today in ancient Judaism/early Christianity, and that the name Lucifer was bestowed much later, but maybe he actually brought fire/light to Adam and Eve in older, now lost non-canon scripture. There's just too much pointing in the direction that the myths of Satan and Prometheus evolved from the same roots.
>>870985
>There's just too much pointing in the direction that the myths of Satan and Prometheus evolved from the same roots.
To a certain extent, this is due to Christian writers noticing the parallels and playing them up in later medieval writings due to their love of Classical mythology. Our modern image of Satan/Lucifer as a semi-antihero is based (at least in part) on those associations, so when we go back and reread the original texts we're already carrying that baggage with us in our interpretation.
>>871008
Really nteresting thoughts desu
>To a certain extent, this is due to Christian writers noticing the parallels and playing them up in later medieval writings
Any links/online reads on that? Or can we know what Prometheus's story looked like without Christian authors exaggerating the parallels? Because an extent of parallelity that would mean clear associations for medieval Christians still suggests that these myths shared some common root
>Our modern image of Satan/Lucifer as a semi-antihero
You mean that he is only a "semi" antihero or that he's an antihero? I seldom hear it from actual Christians that Satan is not a total villain.
>>869935
Do you even know what "vicarius Christi" means? Especially in context of how it and the modern word "vicarious" (as in, to do X vicariously) are used?
Everyone knows God is a lingonberry.
