Why do the likes of the Mongols, Huns and Vikings get glorified when all they did was murder, rape and destroy civilisation just for the hell of it?
They were hundreds of times worse than modern terrorists. At least modern terrorists are fighting for some kind of cause, or at least they believe they do. These people were just brutal savages.
>>845925
>Applying moral judgment to people who lived in a completely different time period
0/10
>when all they did was murder, rape and destroy civilisation just for the hell of it?
No
muh historical bushfire
>>845936
This, moral change with time, place, and people.
>>845936
I suppose all the women who were raped and who witnessed their families murdered just because they happened to be there at the time thought "ah well, it is what it is" because Amnesty International didn't exist back then.
You're a tool.
Are you implying the wholesale slaughter of one's enemies and rapid expansion is A. Strictly a hun/Mongolian practice and b. Pointless and barbaric?
Are you implying that piracy and border raids was a strictly Viking and likewise barbaric practice?
Are you ignorant to the social structure of the huns and Mongolians? Do you know anything about them besides what European/Islamic nations (I.e. their victims) have told you?
Do you know that Vikings were not a people but an occupation, one that opened trade between Norse/Germanic people and the rest of the continent?
Do you know anything about history?
>>845936
this is my favorite /his/ meme
sure they did horrible things but they lived in a different time period so it's all fine!
t. proud feminist and Daenerys Targaryen supporter
>>845936
>implying everyone didn't hate steppe invaders and Vikings during their respective eras
>>845925
They are remembered because they had a significant impact on history. That doesn't mean they are glorified.
It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with fading memories. People pass down stories of their former oppressors or killers, but as time goes on the stories passed down through generations gets weaker and weaker and people have new enemies to fight.
>>845979
>#notallbarbarians
No I'm not implying that. It's well known that Goths, Vandals, Parthians, Scythians, Gokturks, Burgundians, Alans and Normans, and many more, all participated in similar activites.
I'm simply asking why such people have been glorified and made into these iconic groups.
>>846017
Historic importance and cultural significance you sillybilly. The Huns and the Mongols both conquered unheard of lands in places that were historically very difficult to conquer. Wether or not you agree with their methods doesn't negate any of that. As for the Vikings, anything that opens new trade routes between people otherwise ignorant of each other is significant, not to mention their ships were a marvel at the time. and to ignore Norse/Germanic culture is to ignore most Anglo culture. You know the days of the week are named after Norse gods, yes? That's a small example
>>845925
Simple there was no pictures or video footage of whole towns being beheaded and the woman being raped.
>>845925
Because even if it was all they did, the Mongols were impressively good at it. Real underdogs.
>>846076
Rape and murder of villagers and commoners is a part of war for literally every non modern nation. Whenever there is a general/commander ect. That doesn't condone rape from their army it's always harped on, but it's rare.
>>845936
>admitting to having no moral compass
I get it war is brutal but seriously enough of that bullshit
>implying that all Vikings wanted to pillage
While some did, some were just peaceful farmers defending their homeland from invaders.
>>846130
Vikings =/= Norse. Viking is a profession.
Vi·king
ˈvīkiNG/
noun
1.
any of the Scandinavian seafaring pirates and traders who raided and settled in many parts of northwestern Europe in the 8th–11th centuries.
Because they're metal as fuck
>>846152
/thread
>>846141
the original use of the word was a verb. "To go viking", was to go fight for plunder
>>846215
I never heard that before but I'm willing to admit it's possible.
Regardless, they were not a people but a profession or action. A Viking farmer is a oxymoron
>>846225
So what were the Scandinavian women, your dingus? The Vikings weren't like they are depicted by American directors or Amon Amarth. And some men were fighters, but most of them stayed home and worked as farriers, smiths and herding. If a man had had five children, he couldn't have let his wife to take care of them while he would have been pillaging and sailing.
>>847405
you dingus*
>>845962
Hi Hillary.
>>845962
Rape was rampant back in that day, and the peoples which you'd call civilised used to rape their own women! Just check some facts about the woman's status in Europe (let alone middle East!) and compare it with the one from Mongolia. Within the Mongol empire, ethnic Mongolian women would be able to influence the society and could have their own opinions, things which weren't happening in Europe. They wouldn't be stoned to death nor taken to the gallows. Mongolian women were even fighting on horses alongside their armies, mostly based on men. Mongols would treat their women as first class citizens, as they were raping only the foreigners.
Those people who'd you call barbarians were the superior humans, and they still are. Scandinavian average IQ is 101 and Mongolian average IQ is 103, if course they couldn't be dirty peasants beating their wives and children. The Mongolian herder wasn't a thrall, toiling for some inhumane landlord, nor the Viking one was. But thralls were worked to death in countries such as France, Poland, holy German empire etc.
Harald Hårfagre and Genghis Khan have unified their peoples - they knew that union meant might, while Germans, Italians and Romanians were scattered.
>>845925
>Why do the likes of the Mongols, Huns
Those are just teens. Western teens at that.
You go to Non-Central Asia Eurasia and shit like "Mongol" "Tartar" "Turk" are synonymous for barbarity.
>>845925
And they all accomplished historically significant, if not outright amazing things.
I despise the Nazi's to their rotten core, and yet can find their history extremely fascinating. Looking at one of their parade videos, I sometimes grin at the arrogant swagger of it all.
>>845925
Tell me what civilizations you admire, anon. I can guarantee you they too raped and pillaged whenever they had the opportunity.
HISTORICAL ARSONISTS
>>847411
fuck off
>>845925
>At least modern terrorists are fighting for some kind of cause, or at least they believe they do.
you really think the Mongols, Huns, and Vikings lacked a "cause" in their minds, you naive fuck?
>>846225
What the fuck do you think the vikings did went they werent viking, which was 3/4ths of the year? Dumbfuck, they were farmers. During the summer youd plunder and come back in time for harvest
Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies? For what are robberies themselves, but little kingdoms? The band itself is made up of men; it is ruled by the authority of a prince, it is knit together by the pact of the confederacy; the booty is divided by the law agreed on. If, by the admittance of abandoned men, this evil increases to such a degree that it holds places, fixes abodes, takes possession of cities, and subdues peoples, it assumes the more plainly the name of a kingdom, because the reality is now manifestly conferred on it, not by the removal of covetousness, but by the addition of impunity. Indeed, that was an apt and true reply which was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride, "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you who does it with a great fleet are styled emperor."
>>845962
>>845996
Because it's true you fucking autists. Morals are based on cultural values that shift all the time. Look at the morals of the fucking nineteenth century and it's recognizable but still different. The further backwards in time you go, the more displaced and alien the moral landscape is to you.
And even then, the people they killed and raped were not their people. The same crimes can't be committed against a person with no rights in your eyes. And you would have believed they were an inferior people.
>>845936
>cultural relativism
Postmodernism aka cultural relativism (Cultural Marxism) is the cancer killing the Humanities.
It implies that the only right normative 'ethics' approach is cultural relativism. Means that they do have ahistorical ethics, after all!
>>845950
even at that time, it was considered immoral to slaughter millions.
>>847658
What's hard to believe about the fact that cultures which developed in radically different circumstances, locations, resources, would have different moral values? Do you think a Polynesian shared the same qualms as a British explorer?
>>847664
No one cared about other nations except the implications for their own. Christians were celebrating the Muslim defeats, which came at a conveniently good time during the Crusades. The Austrians refused to help the Hungarians and were eyeing Hungarian territories in the aftermath of the devastation.
>>847635
this started out good but gradually turned autistic and then turbofedora
>>846043
>mongols were great fighters so it's fine that they murdered and raped millions.
>the viking raids had an effect on culture, also, they had cool ships! knowing that would surely calm down the families of those they killed!
>>847665
What's so hard to believe that, likely as a disenfranchised first worlder, that anon would act in a reactionary manner to systems that do not immediately appear to be working?
>>847658
>cultural relativism is related to socialism
Just stop.
>>847665
does it particularly matter? some cultures are just incompatible with each other
>>847675
These things happened a long time ago. Nobody is saying we should have a neo-mongolian horde no matter how cool it sounds.
Also pax mongolia motherfucker. History is much more complicated than a rudimentary moral framework.
>>847658
The Aztec are chopping out all these hearts n shiet
>It's bad m'kay
As opposed to lets try to understand their motivation for doing this, which may have arisen from their world view.
>>847673
yeah i know but i like the style of his writing and it's pleasing to read
>>847679
Is this somehow not a failure of these cultures?
>>847681
But anon that's pointless. They're stupid savages with nothing to offer because I said so and because you can't resist bait.
>>847671
yes, that's just politics, rotten and cynical as ever.
we are talking about morality though. people who were not politicians were disturbed by, for example, the Mongol invasion of Hungary, see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Miserabile
>>847692
Christianity was a common cultural and moral institution between these two countries. I assure you, if they were Muslims, Europeans would have gloated about how the Mohammedans were righteously crushed by the hand of God.
