ITT: We talk about the aftermath of the Germans ww1 defeat and communist uprising to the rise of nazis politically and militarily and about all fronts of the war, Rise of the Nationalist socialist party and any other related subjects.
>historical photos/videos welcomed
Anyone else think that the Wall St Crash was the necessary precondition for Hitler's rise to power?
>>72413
why would that be so ?
>>72350
It was pretty sad that it was just starting to get better when the crash happening and killed them permanently.
>>73069
crash ?
>>72413
... yes? Virtually everyone? Hitler's rise to power is closely tied to the depression - far, far more than any ww1/postwar resentment.
>>73140
explain ?
Wouldn't the Russians just keep retreating, fighting, surviving; even if the Germans captured Stalingrad?
>>73298
basically.
I know this sounds really like a /pol/ question, but bear with me I'm only genuinely curious.
Why were almost all leaders of the Free Socialist Republic of Germany jews?
Are there cultural/social reasons or is it just an extreme coincidence?
For the love of god do not start a /pol/ vs /lit/ over this.
>>72350
>1919
>Germany gets punished less than it deserve for starting WW1 (no occupation, country not divided)
>Wall Street crashes in 1929, causing a worldwide economical crisis
>In Germany, a butthurt painter blames it on France and Britain
>He rises in power, and Germany starts another World War
>This time, the winners decide to punish Germany as it deservers to be (non-stop US military occupation from 1945 to 2015, country divided in two parts until 1991...)
>No other chimp out happens after that
You are now aware that WW2 happened because Versailles was too kind
>>73392
nope. Zionist wanted control through "communism" they fucked up and got executed.
>nice b8 m8
>>73483
you didn't read "For the love of god do not start a /pol/ vs /lit/ over this."
>>73479
>Versailles was too kind
Made Germany solely responsible for ww1 when that is not the case. Put them in massive debt for "war reparations". got land taken away that were ethnically german. Limited army. left rhine defenseless.
>>73252
To convince individuals who weren't staunch nationalists, the natsocs had to do some major economic programs to build support in the lower class while also boosting their image both domestically and internationally, giving them some form of legitimacy as their party was well known to be illegitimately in control of Germany.
The Depression was the key to the natsoc success as failed attempts by more conservative parties made people grow more anxious, allowing for more radical approaches to economic reform, as can be seen in United States during this time as well.
>>73542
>Made Germany solely responsible for ww1 when that is not the case.
The main instigators of WW1 were Germany and its lapdog Austria
And believe me, Austria was punished way harsher than Germany
>>73627
I thought they were able to gain power through making jews the enemy, thus giving them hatred to be directed towards a certain group for the loss of ww1 and germanys problems ?
>>73542
>Made Germany solely responsible for ww1
It did not. You are literally making this up - or you don't know history.
As for war reparations, yes, those are often paid in lost wars. Such as when France paid Germany a couple of decades prior. By the way Germany was entirely capable of paying them - and for a while in the 20s when calmer heads prevailed - if only for a time - they not only were paying reparations, but experienced economic growth!
The question of lands taken is not as simple as 'ethnically German', in fact, the majority of the lost lands were not.
>>73298
Lure the army in, offer just enough resistance to slow them down, scorch the earth around them, let the winter do the rest.
>>73392
I'll go ahead and try to answer for you.
Jews since the cultural change of the ashkenazi, have been masterminds of a scientific field that had not yet been discovered by academia.
Family leaders tended to marry off their daughters to successful males, while not concerning themselves with gentiles or unsuccessful jews. This is very important as it keeps the tendency for failures out of the gene pool, keeps the money concentrated into large family groups, as well as essentially practicing a basic form of eugenics.
Mathematics, language, and essentially most scientific fields are dominated by jews because of their family habits to force children to learn 2 languages, the tendency for their language to be very math based, their dominance in finance (medieval reasons, etc) gave way to advanced forms of financial science, their heavy emphasis on education, and a multitude of other reasons dealing with their persecutions and etc allowed for jews to basically become smarter and more cunning as a race and a cultural group.
TL;DR they had family connections built of hundreds of years, it isn't hard to secure top positions if your entire clan practices cronyism and nepotism.
>>73704
Also as regards the lost lands, one has to only take a look at Brest - Litovsk to see what losing lands can also look like...
>>73683
That surely comes into play, but that wasn't the backbone of their campaigns.
The greatest support of their party came from their promises, however radical, to bring Germany out of their depression.
They did not gain widespread support by listing off scapegoats.
>>73762
>Jews were just a scapegoat
Many get this wrong.
The Versailles treaty did not cause WW2. It was the failure of the allied powers to properly enforce the treaty that was the problem.
If anything, the Allies should have continued the FIrst World War until they were able to march their troops through the German capital. There failure to do this allowed the German military to perpetuate the myth that the politicians stabbed them in the back. If the allies had shown the German people, the true enormity of their defeat, history could have been alot different.
But then you have loads of logistical concerns, Wilson being a liberal bitch, tiredness of war to argue.
>>73830
I don't mean to support the scapegoat defense or not to, I tried to give a somewhat unbiased answer.
>>73840
This, the League of Nations should not have existed as it did not have the power or support of the United States to force member states into submission to the League.
I do too agree with you, a big issue with the end of the WW1 was the inability to prove without a doubt to the German people that they had lost.
>>73840
>If anything, the Allies should have continued the FIrst World War until they were able to march their troops through the German capital.
They were able to, Germany surrendered without conditions
They just decided not to because "poor little Germans, let's noy bully them too much so maybe we can have peace"
>>73955
I don't think Germany would have surrendered, knowing they would have allied troops on German soil.
The allies had lost 80% of their tanks, outstripped their rail heads and operations were limited by the weather in Late 1918.
I just don't think getting Allied Troops into Germany would have been as easy as you think.
>>74109
>tanks
you mean those big boxes on wheels ?
>>74788
Yes, the weapons that the Germans shit themselves over and devoted their entire system of defense to dealing with tanks.
The hilarious part was, the majority of allied tanks were out of action by September. This meant the German defensive doctrine was redundant as the allies reverted back to the relationship between the arty and infantry.
The key point is. Tanks made the Germans completely rethink their defensive strategy. This was detrimental to their war effort.
>>74901
welp the germans sure know how to loose.
