Let's discuss Scandinavia during 700-1100
>>5932
Rude
>you will never experience a modern day scandinavia where the norse culture was preserved
Feels really bad man.
IN
>>5994
Iktf ;___;
>>5878
Were they Kucks back then too?
Let's post some nice related pictures.
I like viking art to be honest
>>6089
Not until the kings were christianized and force everyone to acknowledge the new faith
They still kept tradition though, so everything remained the same, only in "christian clothing"
>>6136
Me too, to be honest.
>>6136
The architecture is really nice too.
baka desu senpai.
>>5994
Good fucking riddance. Pagans are all autistic neckbeards and religious terrorists.
>>6242
>>6242
Indeed
>tfw no stavehouses left that werent't built with christian intent
>>6305
Fuck off christfag
>>6374
Fuck off fossil. All your ancestors are Christian at this point.
>>6305
this
feels good that those mothafuckas got their clocks cleaned at stamford bridge by based Christian anglo-saxons :'-)
>>6328
>two stavehouses next to each other
Now why would they do that.
>>6409
>>6413
>crashing this thread
>>6437
Why not?
>>6305
(You)
>>6512
Waste of resources and labour if they are nevertheless meant to serve the very same purpose.
>>6574
Well, we don't know what purpose those two specific houses may have served. It's just a painting after all.
Vinland
never forget
>>6457
With no survivors!
>>6627
Yeah, I know. Isn't it a fantasy painting too? I assumed it was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donar%27s_Oak
>>6678
Lol, I see now how shitposting will be on /his/
>>6725
Good times in store for us all
Hey remember when they were avoiding England for 40 years after they failed to sack a monastery? Yeah badass warriors huh?
>>6678
Look at Europe. Look at what your religion has caused with it's universalistic ideas, it's weakness and it's destruction of our true cultures.
>>6682
>these runes
>this depiction
How horrible
>>6696
>Isn't it a fantasy painting too? I assumed it was.
Probably, altough it doesn't really contain any strict fantasy themes, which is why I like it.
>>6795
>Viking history thread
>posts pre-viking age runes
>>7124
>dat pattern awareness THOUGH
>>7152
Fuck, didn't mean to write that in caps
Nice pics, but more discussion pls
>>7354
Is this the coolest viking name?
>>7180
>helheim
Shouldn't it just be Hel?
Do people have a favourite god / story?
>Hiemdallr
Total badass that got to fight first in Ragnarok and the story off him as Rig banging families to make class status among humans is jokes.
>>7584
>Do people have a favourite god / story?
My personal favorite will probably be Thor, because he's such a folkly god, although I've lately grown more and more fond of the Allfather.
>story
I don't know, there are a lot of them.
>>Hiemdallr
You really should leave out the r at the end. It's a grammatical spelling (nominative) that isn't used in English, so leaving it in when not speaking Norse is incorrect.
>>7716
How embarrassing, I've been speaking it outloud with the 'r' sound at the end with my Norwegian friend. I've been saying something like:
"hime dall er"
He's the only one I've spoke to about Norse stuff so I never knew if I was saying things right.
>>7584
I don't know enough to have favorite god yet but i like the story of Thor fishing up the Jörmungandr.
>>8211
>M8
Is Midgårdsormen better?
>>8092
But it's a pretty based story. Here, have U1161 with cute Thor.
>>8284
I meant the 'r' at the end, m8. Read the posts above.
>>7584
>god
Thor, because he was a God so loved by the people that they refused to give him up after Christianization, same with Freyr. Odin was always a more Jupiter-esque persona, both beloved and terrified of, and he was easily transmittable into Yahweh.
>Story
The story when Thor, Loki and those two kids (forgot their names) enter the hall of the giant to win back Freya. The part where Thor wrestles against Time (as an old hag) and loses really struck me.
>>8317
My name is Thor. Is it safe to assume I have the coolest name in the world?
>>8317
Kawaii desu.
>>8166
Fuck man that's epic.
Post Thor
Þegar hitti Þór
þá munum við berjast.
Staðfastur og stór
standa mun og verjast.
Agnið beit víst á,
Ásgarður mig svíkur.
Jörmundgandur, já,
ég er sá sem víkur.
>>8514
Vikings were literal savages that were cunts to everyone they interacted with. The vikings literally burned hundreds of Roman records across Britain, why are they people to be praised?
>>8360
They didn't give them up after Christianisation? That sounds interesting. Was it sneaky praying or outright stuff?
>>8573
>Vikings were literal savages
The savagery is not the only true Scandinavian thing. But it does exists, you are right about that anon.
>>8360
>(forgot their names)
Tjalve (Þjálfi) and Röskva?
>>6213
Jesus I really, really hope /his/ doesn't just devolve into /pol/ 2.0
>>8573
Why be nice to those who do not share your blood? It is that kind of thinking that led to our current situation where the white world is being completely destroyed by foreign hordes praying on our kindness. Put the needs of your own kin before the needs others.
they lived in huts and wooden houses
like now
>scandinavian engineering
>>8657
*tips meadhorn*
>>5878
oooga booga where da frank women at
>>8585
>Was it sneaky praying or outright stuff?
Not him, but actually, yes. While showing public dedication to the old gods was prohibited, a lot kept their faith and practised in their homes. The stubbornness to keep what's theirs is why Scandis still to this day have old viking traditions going, although in "christian clothing".
>>8657
You're just stupid. The whole situation in the middle east is the literal backlash of your mindset. If people didn't think like you, there wouldn't be millions pumping into Europe, which obviously isn't desirable.
>>8573
>>6777
>it's
Look at your awful typography.
>>8774
You what? The aggressive wars of Israel against the people of the middle east has nothing to do with the well being of my Nordic people.
I'm just saying that we should always but our own peoples needs before the needs of others, and if that means plundering your enemies villages then so be it. The vikings did nothing wrong.
>>8833
>double dubs
Nice
>>8657
>HURR DURR
>NO ONE EXCEPT PURE WHITES ARE WORTHY OF HUMANE TREATMENT
>I'M 30, AMERICAN STILL LIVE AT HOME AND TALK ABOUT MY 1/32 SCANDINAVIAN HERITAGE ON A WEBSITE FOR INDONESIAN CARICATURES
>>8573
>he doesnt know vikingr means pirate.
Thats like blaming Blackbeard on the Church of England.
>>8833
haha ok
ᛋᚢᚴ:ᚴᚢᚴ:ᚼᚢᚱᛅ
>>8877
>>NO ONE EXCEPT PURE WHITES ARE WORTHY OF HUMANE TREATMENT
Not him, but that's not even what he said. Also, stop derailing my thread guise ;__;
>>8847
>my Nordic people
sejt jegjeg broder
>>8847
How are Israel responsible for violence in Syria?? If anything NATO backing rebels in the civil war is to blame...
>Mass plundering of enemy villages
The Vikings started the aggression and they murdered innocent monks and civilians, its like arguing that the bombing of Hiroshima or Dresden or the Blitz were at all justifiable
>>8908
>ᚱᚢᚾᛅᛦ
>/his/
ᚴᚱᚢᚴᛘᛅᚴᛅᚱᛁ
>>9013
>monks
>at any point innocent
>>9013
I'll stop responding you now. Here, have a last (You).
>>9070
You're stumped because someone tries to outline that someone other than >muhh Jews are responsible for something??
>>7152
They liked weaved their sails like that, interloping cloth because sowing them together didn't work so well.
>>8877
Nowhere in any Norse writing is the idea of racial superiority present.
The bible however, in Revelations 7:2/3 it is stated that only the "children of Israel"-jews can go to heaven.
Good luck going to heaven without being born jewish.
Daily reminder that the greatest viking king was a Christian. :^)
>>9140
>Not reading the Bible
>Not knowing that the New Testament says that you should disregard the Old Testament
>>9147
>implying
>>9013
Vikings raided coasral settlements because the Franks stopped trading with them in 500AD.
>>9175
>revelations
>old testament
Nice work reading the bible.
>>9140
He obviously wasn't citing viking beliefs, but rather the views of the HeritageAmerican in this thread
>9117
Nah, i just don't want to derail the thread more by arguing with someone who clearly have no understanding of geopolitics.
>>9119
That's interesting. What about the sails using only diagonal lines?
>>9188
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great
Alright me friend. :)
>>9235
True, but those are neobagans, and not Traditionalists.
>captcha: 1938
>start viking history thread
>suddenly discussions about race and whiteness
Why did I even expect anything else?
>>9281
I expected it to happen sooner, but yeah, the stupid white supremacists are stupid.
>>9321
>Muh Israel and Jews are responsible for everything
>>9321
It was the Viking-haters that started it though with their shitty bait.
>>9147
Vikings converting to christianity was not a bad thing tho. It was a good thing for our countries politically, and it was for the best.
>>8731
Mjolnirs were first worn as a direct response to Christians wearing crosses. There was a period of dual Christianity/Paganism and then eventually just official Christianity, but Paganism survived for hundreds of years. Thor worship was generally allowed for hundreds of years after Christianization. Some folklorists in the 19th/early 20th century noted Scandinavian farmers still referenced Thor when thunderstorms passed through and even offered Thor votives for good harvest.
Paganism somewhat survived in rural Europe in various forms until the industrial revolution. For example, some scholars (Stuart Piggot ex.) argued that parts of Highland Scotland were pagan and living in the Iron Age all the way until the 19th century.
This board is really off to a nice start!
i wonder if the longships were comfy.
>>9389
>Mjolnirs were first worn as a direct response to Christians wearing crosses.
Thorshammers, m8. Mjölnír is the name of the one hammer, not the pendant around people's necks.
And yes, it was a way to religiously identify one another, just like the Christians did with their crosses, but that happened before forn sed was looked down upon and publicly shunned and outlawed.
>>9531
I can imagine them being considering the time period.
The whole argument that the Vikings shouldn't have converted to Christianity is utter nonsense. The successor Kingdoms, especially Denmark needed to convert in order to a be a viable political force during middle age Europe. For anyone to remain pagan essentially means shunning by all of Europe
>>9544
There were also a lot of hybrids.
>>6682
>>7180
>>9417
A hypothetical crusade into Scandinavia would be a good "what if" topic. Sans Denmark, and Iceland due to its reliance on foreign trade, it would have been difficult, particularly due to Scandinavia's hostile terrain. Mountainous, treacherous waters, lack of beaches to land ships. The crusaders had a tough time in the Baltic, taking a full century to conquer the Balts and then dealing with various uprisings and skirmishes and problems with Poles and Russians and infighting. Imagine trying to land in Scandinavia? Then in comparison, the Scandinavians during the Crusades were a lot more formidable and richer than the Balts. I'm not so sure Scandinavia could have been tamed by crusaders.
>>9635
I wouldn't call it a hybrid, I'd simply say it's a cross. However the real intent behind it is still shady.
>>9697
I don't know man, Denmark managed to destroy Norway and Sweden a couple of times during the early middle ages. Not only that, Sweden wasn't a unified force until the mid 1300s. If the crusade was spearheaded by Denmark, then I think it would be pretty viable.
>>9628
What if all of Europe had remained pagan and kept their own culture and religion?
>>9756
But with land invasions? I always thought Denmark dominated Scandinavia through political maneuvering. I may be wrong, I'm no expert in post-Viking age Scandinavia.
>>9761
We'd probably end up with some kind of established religion based in Rome, like Catholicism but based on the Roman pantheon, with enough wiggle room for others to keep their national Gods.
>"Let's discuss vikings"
>oh boy!
>muh white heritage
>rehashed unhistorical nonsense dragged straight out of the national romantic era
>"Why cant I be pagan guys?"
>Vikings were supermen, nationalists who hated immigrants bcuz idunno
Jesus christ /his/ how can you be this fucking disappointing already.
>>9761
What if vikings really farted lightning bolts and smelled like rainbows?
'What if' fuck outta here
>>9761
How didn't we keep our culture? If anything, the industrial revolution was largely the death of local cultural customs in Europe. Just look at how Europe developed after Christianisation, it kept some practices and developed new ones, I don't see the obsession with claiming the whole pagan European thing as >muh culture while concurrently shitting on almost 2000 years of ancestors. Heritage Americans are funny people desu
>>9697
>lack of beaches to land ships
Have you visisted Sweden at all? Because this sounds like something you just say and hope that no one calls you on it.
Most people lived (and still live) in the south, where you have plenty of natural harbors and sandy beaches.
>>9992
No fuck you, you go to /b/ with your /pol/ bullshit
>>9997
Compare the generic "western culture" that all the converted nations share to the culture of for example the Japan, where Shinto-Buddhism was allowed to continue dominating the society.
What we have today in Scandinavia is not really our true culture.
>>9911
It was a mix of both. Norway relied mainly on its navy, which Denmark managed to destroy a couple of times. Canute the Great also had a successfull land invasion of Norway during the early 1000s. Denmark had Southern Sweden since its creation, which allowed for a easy way into Sweden. The problem would be the far north, but not a whole lot of people lived there during that time if any at all.
>>9992
The thing is, I ACTUALLY care about history, but posting kewl pics of awesome vikings and speculate what vikings would think about multiculturalism is fucking shit, and I knew that this would happen.
>>10080
Yes, but it's the wolf on it that make me doubt a bit.
>>10193
I see your point, but I still doubt it means anything big.
If I'd find that pendant on a dig, we would be safe to say it was a christian symbol. The wolf and shape is a cultural one.
>>10256
>dig
You're an archaeologist?
>>10322
You got a bone for him?
>>10176
>posting kewl pics of awesome vikings
That was to get the thread going
>>10383
d-do you sell hotdogs I mean do you archae.. shit
>>10322
Not really, I am an historian who has studied quite a bit of archeology, participated in digs etc.
>>10126
Lol, Japans culture is the way it is because of isolationism. Most practices have their origins in a mixture of China and Korea anyway. Japan really is a terrible example, the Meiji restoration was introduced because Japan was so buttfuck behind because of its obsession with not progressing, leading it susceptible to Western influence. Obviously you've never been to Japan, because really, its just like a Western country except with Asian people, so kind of like Australia I guess...
>>10438
Pretty cool. Found anything interesting?
>>10483
The thing is most of the things you find are not spectacular, "museum"type things, but I assume you know that.
I did find a small bronze-ring, possibly from a fancy shoe, lots of animal bones (both burned and unburned), seeds of different sorts.
On the last dig I attended we found a small gold pendant, shaped like a shamrock almost, with red garnets. That was cool, sort of wish I found it though.
>>10606
>The thing is most of the things you find are not spectacular, "museum"type things, but I assume you know that.
Of course. Not all remains are sensational.
>On the last dig I attended we found a small gold pendant, shaped like a shamrock almost, with red garnets. That was cool, sort of wish I found it though.
Cool. Where as this, or any idea from it came (in terms of people etc)
>>5994
Thank God for that. Vikings were pretty shit at recording history or anything else useful for that matter.
>>10838
>Vikings were pretty shit at recording history
>thousand of stones commemorating important people
>>10731
It is thought to have been made in either England or Belgium and found it's way to sweden in the Vendel period, which is 550-800.
>>7584
Loki. He is the tool of change that forces progress at any cost.
>>10917
Nice.
>>11044
Yeah it was actually.
I really do like the Scandinavian late iron age, but I loathe how misunderstood it is by almost everyone.
You either glorify the shit out of the scandinavians or villify them to shit. Both these positions are fucking dumb and not historically based.
I don't know if there is a word for this, like learning a great deal about something then having to listen to people claim to also have an interest and then proceeding to completely butcher the topic.
>>11150
iktf anon
>>11150
A lot of the early gloryfing aspect comes from Sweden during the romantic era when countries were obsessed with creating national identities.
>>9675
I never saw some of these names before. What are their meanings?
>>11391
I know, and I hate that it is still discussed
>>11471
Those seem to be some Germanic names for the realms. Nachtland means Nightland and I'm not sure what it refers to.
>>11545
Well, if anything I find the most impressive aspect about the Vikings to be their ability to get around.
>>11471
>>11620
I googled it and it appears to be from a Fantasy Game on kickstarter
s m h
>There is now a board where I can talk about vikings and Norse paganism at length
>None of the political bickering that comes with /pol/ threads
>None of the dick measuring contest bullshit of /int/
>None of the pseudo-intellectual pretension of /lit/
Today is a good day. Now, who here thinks Ragnarr Lodbrok was a real person?
>>14031
>Now, who here thinks Ragnarr Lodbrok was a real person?
He was. Although, not at all like on that stupid TV-show.
>>14031
I doubt that he was the father of so many viking kings but he was presumably real. And yeah, fuck that stupid 'History' Channel show.
>>14031
>>None of the political bickering that comes with /pol/ threads
Anon, I...
>>14217
The /his/ dream is real and it doesn't need to die.
>>14192
>fuck that stupid 'History' Channel show.
This. They literally, I repeat LITERALLY, put a FICTIONAL character from a SAGA in the show to have an affair with AN ACTUAL HISTORICAL PERSON.
>>14292
>it doesn't need to die.
I know anon, just that this first day literally killed off some of my joy over this new board. I hope it gets better.
>>14245
>>14306
>Nords
Stop using that Skyrim word pls
t. Nordic person
Not a fan of the vikings honestly, shitty warriors past the 9th century plus they were awful at keeping history and advancing culturally with the rest of yurope, fuck em
>>14417
>shitty warriors
Fight me
>>14031
Who?
>>14504
>Who?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar_Lodbrok
>>14450
>>14502
>>14543
Stop
>>14591
>why did nords
I don't know, ask Bethesda
>>14591
They got off to some weird shit I guess.
>>14778
Why do you shitpost on a board that will shitpost itself in the end?
>>14831
Because 'viking' is the new cool and every band uses the imagery to sell music, which drags down the average.
There are criminally few good bands.
>>14897
Fuck off
>>14921
"no"
>>9503
Thor=druid
>>10838
>Being good at killing the fuck out of people and taking their shit
>not a useful skill
>>14778
Varg sucks, he burnt down historical sites. He is detrimental to the field of history for that reason.
>>15011
If you knew why he did it, you wouldn't say that. I too dislike the eradication of historical sites, but I do understand and agree with his viewpoint. So yes, he shouldn't have done it, but it's not like it was a shitty act for the fun of it.
>>14450
>>14543
>>14591
>>14778
>>14897
>>15054
>>15093
>>15178
Now this is shitposting
mods pls remove
>>15132
>peaceful cultures
>Central/South America
No mate, just no.
>>15241
>>15308
Stop shitting up my thread pls
t. OP
>>10838
>Vikings were pretty shit at recording history
>Implying Swedish liberals are even recording history
There will be nothing left soon enough
>>5878
Norse religion is really overrated.
>>10910
Yes, throwing painted rocks around randomly isn't a very good means of recording history.
>>15439
>>15463
>>15523
>>15547
>>15589
STOP FUCKING POSTING
>>14979
Them and everyone else who made a name for themselves. It doesn't make them special.
>>15011
Varg also heavily romanticises ancient pagans like assholes didn't excist before Christianity in northern Europe.
Fuck this stupid ass "norrdick aliyum" poster, I'm off to play AoE
>>16212
What's going on in your head?
>>5994
Vikings were disgusting, thieving, pillaging rapists, the original dindus. They torched and put to the sword the Christians who were preserving actual, legitimate European culture.
>>17267
>>18426
pretty much this.
but they were chill with religion, welcomed foreign deities and shit. viddy gud nords.
>>18426
>Nords
Why are everyone so hellbent on using this shit word?
>>18711
nordic - contemporary scandinavians
norse - ancient scandinavians
>>18866
>contemporary scandinavians
Not only.
>>18916
okay, it's Scandinavia, Finland, and Iceland
at least that's the generally accepted definition i've used within academia.
>>18985
And you're doing good to be honest
>>18711
>muh skurim
>>7584
Not a god, but Ratatösk is a funny little guy.
A squirrel sowing discord between the eagle living on top of Yggdrasil and the dragon Nidhögg who lives at Yggdrasils roots is just too droll.
Btw, does anyone listen to Wardruna?
>>5994
Literally Iceland. It's untampered norse.
>>8585
The old names and some costums survived in Germany until now.
The German word for "Thursday" for example is "Donnerstag", which goes back to "Donars Day", Donar being the German name for Thor.
Folk stories also very often retain some influences by the old pagan culture, for example Wagners "Ring of the Nibelungs" is based on a pagan saga.
>>25135
>It's untampered norse.
Kek, no.
>>25136
>The German word for "Thursday" for example is "Donnerstag", which goes back to "Donars Day", Donar being the German name for Thor.
And Thursay is literally Thor's day.
>>25068
>Btw, does anyone listen to Wardruna?
Yes.
Does global rule #3 not apply when discussing the norse? Haven't seen any actual discussion and just swarthy people flinging shit.
>muh vikings
got enriched and btfo
>>26404
Don't respond to shitpost, report shitposts and hide shitposts.
>>5878
Is it true that these viking niggas were high af on shrooms?
>>5994
What outsiders don't get about our culture is that at its core, it's a very simple celebration of life. We Nordics have always valued closeness to nature, hard work, silly fun in our spare time, spending time with family, a small tight knit group of friends, or by ourselves, enjoying the small pleasures of life. Not getting caught up in complex tasks and affairs. That's what Nordic culture is really about, Asatru and vikings are irrelevant.
>>27023
Anon, that's like most people.
>>27830
I'm mostly not interested talking about Vikings being awesome as much as I'm just interested in how they actually lived. So these threads (not counting the shitposters) is already a mixed bag for me.
>>26162
Cool, a fellow Wardruna fan! What do you think of their new project, Skuggsja?
>>28562
>Skuggsjá
Didn't even know about it. Well, turns out they're gonna make an album, so I'll look forward to that.
>>7981
It's there in Old Norse, but it's voiceless, so it's little more than a whisper.
>>28808
>but it's voiceless, so it's little more than a whisper.
Dude what
>>28968
"Voiceless" means that the sound is made without vibrating the vocal cords, which means that it's much quieter than the sound's voiced counterpart.
>>29023
In north Sweden we have one of those words. It's a sharp inhale with puckerd lips and means yes.
>>29023
How do you even make an 'r' voiceless anyway?
>>29266
With your tounge vibrating.
>>9281
Stupid gullible /pol/acks that swallow nazi propaganda have flooded the board, obviously.
The most interesting thing is that Asatro never died. It took christian missionaries centuries, but finally they convinced the vikings that Rangarok had already happened, and the two humans left alive were in fact Adam and Eve.
So in scandinavia, people went on thinking christianity was merely a continuation of asatro.
>>29266
It's like the difference between "s" and "z;" if you make both sounds in succession, you'll notice that your vocal chords vibrate on the "z" and not on the "s." That's the change you need to make.
>>29486
>this post
>>29486
I think that might have been a popular idea on Iceland.
c-can we have anglo saxons on here as well? The anglo saxons and vikings were bros, the vikings just raided christian monasteries. are we welcome ?
>>29720
Just make an Anglo Saxon thread.
>>29720
The Anglo-Saxons were those Christians that vikings raided. And also the ones that got conquered by the Danes. And also the ones that got conquered by the Normans and their Norwegian buddies.
Anglo-Saxons and vikings were not bros.
>>29748
the anglo saxons were pagans ;)
http://www.tha-engliscan-gesithas.org.uk/archives/aspects-of-anglo-saxon-paganism
vikings only raided christian monasteries. they never raided anglo saxon villages ;)
watch some varg, buddy ;)
>>29782
>Varg being biased about history
Not even once.
>>29880
varg is based
I think we can all agree that "vikings" were shit-eating barbarians who brought nothing but ruin.
>>31573
they opened up some nice trading opportunities
otherwise yes, barbarians and useless
>>31573
Stop shitposting ffs
>>31573
>implying vikings didn't stimulate the economy of Europe by bringing in new silver
>>9389
What, people still wear thors hammer and people still refer to Thor when thunder passes by in Sweden.
>>15530
>England first national drama is basically a viking tale
>>31751
Think you missed the point m8
>>31751
No we don't.
Why can't there be a normal thread about Scandinavian culture in that age, without hipster pagans, Nazis, and other bullshit?
>>31940
Because /pol/ and /int/ are trying to be funny.
>>7180
I was under the impression that Valhalla was actually in Hel and not in Asgard.
Unless Valhall is something different from Valhalla.
>>32870
Valhalla is a great hall in Asgard, so the picture is correct.
Helheim is another, seperate place for the dead, though. Those who died bravely in battle go to Valhalla (where they become the so-called Einherjar, Odins undead warriors that fight with him at Ragnarök), while those who died the "straw death" (i.e. the old or sick) go to Helheim, a miserable, grey place.
>>33231
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
I got that from this site:
http://norse-mythology.org/cosmology/valhalla/
But I skimmed the page a while ago when I was bored on a smoke break and didn't bother to check the info. I really need to sit down and read the source material.
>>33231
Isn't Helheim a bit like Hades in the way that it's not all terrible?
