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what was the Cathar tresure at Montsegur?
and was Catharism the truest (to Jesus teaching) form of christianity?
>>576117
>what was the Cathar tresure at Montsegur?
A legend.
>and was Catharism the truest (to Jesus teaching) form of christianity?
Not likely.
Is Catharism the most retarded heresy? Or is that Skoptsy?
>>576117
>what was the Cathar tresure at Montsegur?
THE KNOWLEDGE OF SOFIA.
>and was Catharism the truest (to Jesus teaching) form of christianity?
ONE OF THEM.
>>576155
That's the Circumcellions, easily.
>>576155
Skoptsy's pretty bad, but maybe it was closer to orthodoxy. Origen castrated himself after all.
Mani may have been a very high heretic for claiming to be the Paraclete, and also had a very heretical cosmology.
Catharism may have been a little more orthodox than straight Valentinianism or Simonianism.
>>576172
>the Circumcellions piously avoided bladed weapons and instead opted for the use of blunt clubs, which they called "Israelites." Using their "Israelites", the Circumcellions would attack random travelers on the road, while shouting "Laudate Deum!" ("Praise God!" in Latin). The object of these random beatings was the death of the intrepid martyr, who sought to provoke the victim to attack and kill him.
kek
>>576117
Cathar was alright, but Martinism perfected it.
But I'd say Pelagianism is the truest.
You're seeing the forest from the trees.
The espoused tenets of Catharism were simply the religious elements of its political differences and beliefs from the rest of Europe
For whatever reason, that part of France had a culture of freemen in the countryside and of certain nobles who opposed the nobles and centralized kings and church and so over time adopted a syncretic faith whose tenets opposed the feudal mode ofnproduction and power relations as they existed elsewhere and advocated crude egalitarianism, including between sexes
Ultimately this was seen as a danger to the order and crushed. For Catholic Europe this was a good thing; however their beliefs like most Christian heresies were a case of politics taking the religious cloak. Of course afterwards they became devout and it influenced their politics, but it is always important to remember politics and those interests comes before religious thought
Interestingly a great fiction book about this dichotomy is the marvellous the Name of the Rose and it's subplot about ultra Waldensians in Italy
