Ontological arguments are defined as those made from logic alone with no reference to observation. But no logical deduction can tell you anything that is not already embedded in its premises. All logic does is draw the conclusions that follow from those premises and check for any inconsistencies. Only by observation can we demonstrate whether the premises accurately describe or reflect the real world. Therefore, all ontological arguments are pointless.
>>512819
>i just discovered new atheism and don't know what the word ontology means
If I were to assume a worldview of secular humanism, nobody would be able to deny it, given that I add that rejecting such a worldview makes you unreasonable, religious or discriminatory.
if however, the existence of such a worldview were affirmed throughout media, taught as sacred truth on the internet and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to accept it would become a mark of eccentricity and backwardness.
>>512831
All the ontological arguments are pure logic
>>512953
You need to brush up on basic metaphysics.
>>513560
He needs to do more than brush up on it, he needs to fucking roll around in it
>>513560
Metaphysics have been replaced by physics.
>>513615
Top cuck
Why are you even here?
>>513624
3/10 made me reply as i was scrolling down the board.
>>513615
You clearly don't even know what physics is, much less metaphysiscs
>>512819
Such a stupid fucking picture to use, Russell was making a point about theology, not metaphysics.
>>513615
>mfw
Any thread or post that starts with 'x is defined by y' is defined by faggotry.
Ontological arguments are a certain CLASS of arguments that deduce x by way of 'necessity'. They are nut 'defined' by anything other than that.
The axioms of mathematics do not require empirical evidence for their validity. Are mathematics therefore pointless?
>>513808
>Ontological arguments are a certain CLASS of arguments that deduce x by way of 'necessity'
Didn't Hume prove that all things are 'neccary' in the ontological sense, effectively destroying the entire filed forever.
>>514967
No.
>>512819
>>513683
Though to be fair, there could be a teapot in space. If alien species and what not is to be concerned, through millions of years of history there is bound to be a species who had created the equivalent of and it is floating around in space for reasons unknown.
>>512819
>Therefore, all ontological arguments are pointless.
All arguments are ontological.
fixed.
What's going on in this thread, guys?
>>513615
>>515383
Go jack off onto the theologica, Bill.
>>513808
>Are mathematics therefore pointless?
It can be depending on what premises you choose. For example, if they poorly model what we observe in reality
>>512877
>taught as sacred truth
Bad selection of words to begin.
>>515692
That's a problem with the model, or more likely the modeler, not maths.
>>515383
Is there anything he can't do?
>>515941
You mean besides butchering the 'cosmological' argument :^)
