Was he the most evil man in history?
>>479471
Not anymore since OP
only to Americans, to my people he is a hero that made Russia great and turned it into a superpower that the world trembles before even today.
>>479471
Maybe not the most evil, that's hard thing to define. There might have been more evil people not wielding as much power as he did.
But as far as might goes, let's put it this way;
Stalin's tendencies for wickedness most likely affected more people living in his world at the same time as him than any other despot before or after him. He was irresponsible with his power in regards to the suffering of others. In the end, it's what caused his pre-mature death.
Mao, Hitler and maybe even Bush are other candidates of course. But Mao, while he killed many, did not do so for the express purpose of murdering. Hitler did not kill as many and Bush just isn't in the same league but he wielded more power.
>>479471
Brutal yes, "evil" though?
How do you even measure that? He was egotistical, and had anyone in his way shot, but he was not the kind of guy who'd drop-kick baby seals or something.
Lenin was truly evil desu
>>479480
>that the world trembles before even today.
With laughter maybe.
>>479480
Russia would have ended up greater if the Tsar was still in power
>>479496
i would think that murdering people would be worse than kicking a seal. stalin was such a cunt he had no regard for his family and would abuse his wife at parties in front of guests. he would also threaten to kill guests as a joke but would also sometimes follow through as well.
>>479485
>it's what caused his pre-mature death
>>479676
just look at this funny old man, isnt he adorable?
I think that intellectuals that supported Stalin were more evil than him.
Stalin was a political leader in a post-revolutionary clusterfuck of conflicting loyalties, a state that has been laid waste by war and he wanted to expand his own central power while at the same time preventing another revolution by either crushing political rivals and increasing production and standard of life for enough people as to make himself a standard of stability and strenght.
He basically did what he thought it was need to be done.
But people like Walter Durantiy, Beatrice and Sidney Webb, Merleau-Ponty and Jean-Paul Sartre had no such considerations. They justified everything that Stalin did without actually caring about his political consideration, so they offered philosophical justifications to the Great Purges and the Moscow Trials (dekulakization was so obviously right to them that they didn't even tried to excuse it) which frankly was a shit thing to be done.
Sartre, for example, was so evil, that when the Soviet Union chilled out under Khruschev, he began supporting Mao.
>>479685
feared by stalin because he wouldnt allow soviet puppets rule his land, he wasnt as mean, he dreamed of expansion and his people (among others') actually liked him
>>479714
forgot the picture on that one (twice but i deleted the second comment), whoops
>>479728
reminder that a letter, found with stalin upon discovering his death, read:
"Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle. (...) If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second."
>>479737
tito's funeral had 1 of the 3 highest amounts of international government officials attend it. the other 2 were nelson mandela and pope john paul ii
>>479702
>Mao
>evil actions
Please...
Mao was a necessity for China. And an overall force for good in the country.
>>479753
tito and eleanor roosevelt
he ruled from the end of WW2, after leading a relatively successful resistance against the nazis, until his death in 1980
>>479697
then you know nothing about him.
>>479764
youre either joking or out of your mind
also theres no need to keep talking about these inhumane despots, this thread is now about the benevolent dictator of the SFR yugoslavia, josip broz tito
>>479764
Yeah, sure worshipping mangoes was just what China needed in the 1960s.
>>479782
do not idolize him, though, for he did have many people imprisoned and/or murdered
>>479783
Better than getting raped by Europe and Japan simultaneously.
>>479789
and by people i mean nationalists and nazi-collaborators, and (probably) stalin
on second thought, idolize him
>>479790
You should thank Chiang kai-shek for that. Mao and his guerrillas spent the entire war hiding in the mountains of Yenan while the Nationalists fought against the Japs.
>>479793
Who cares if you throw a nationalist in prison? The only place they can behave is in a cage.
>>479802
that is my point dear friend, they were a constant threat to yugoslav peace, and ended up bringing the state to a violent, very unfortunate collapse after tito's death. this collapse included ethnic genocide, which could have easily been prevented if clinton (or, say, the dutchbat, among others) wanted to do anything about it
If there were some way to measure evil, I'm pretty damn sure Mao would get a higher score
>>479471
>the most evil man
History doesn't do moral judgements of the past.
if we're posting leaders as responsible for the actions carried out under they're regimes then its hard to go past Pol Pot
the khmer rouge is arguably modern history at least's most shocking display of mans inhumanity to man
>>479480
I don't really understand this. It seems that Russians and Americans have such polarizing views on topics. For example, this news anchor lady quit RT on air iirc a lot of American news outlets lauded her for advocating freedom of speech. Meanwhile in the youtube comments sections almost all of the comments (a good 1/3rd in cyrillic) were lambasting her like it was some kinda of E! drama thing.
>>479528
He also saved his country from being enslaved by the Nazis
>>479485
>bush
>as bad as Hitler, Mao, Stalin
I mean he was bad, but c'mon
>>481320
>I don't really understand this. It seems that Russians and Americans have such polarizing views on topics
h..have you not heard of the cold war?
The Kulaks must be liquidated as a class
>>479471
It was this good gentleman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais
We should first define evil before we can find any quantities of it.
Apparently Lenin was worse as a person. But he ruled only like 5 years the rest of the time he was either dying and unable to do anything or waging wars. But it's pretty obvious that there can't be just one answer. Same for the immortal Hitler or Stalin. Better to say that both regimes were equally bad and tha'ts it.
>>479471
not at all...
if you want real monsters without any traces of humanity leading nations you have to look in asia and africa.
stalin, hitler & co. are small time compared to those warlords
>>479794
this meme is shit, Mao was able to actively resist the Japanese and liberate some cities, while the KMT got their shit pushed in in Nanjing and Mao did this with a barely existing army.
>>479471
I think Oskar Dirlewanger and Pol Pot/Nuon Chea were way worse people individually.
>>479480
Outside of your borders regions no one cares.
>>481492
You mean the guy that ordered the killing of thousands of high ranking and veteran military personnel while simultaneously ordering a complete reformation of thousands of miles of army divisions so when the nazis attacked they lost ground faster than the blitz and abandoned thousands of pieces of military equipment that the British and Americans had to resupply? Are we talking about the same guy?
>>479471
its not genghis khan
>>481320
>I don't really understand this. It seems that Russians and Americans have such polarizing views on topics.
/his/ - History & Humanities
A true madman, but an effective one. He did not seem to care for any human's life, but still managed to industrialize the country, push Hitler's shit in, assert dominance in world affairs and create greatest empire of his time, streching it's influence from Pacific to the Elbe. Both of his biggest crimes, GULag and Holodomor are heaivly politicized and overblown. First one is usually described from a perspective of an intellectual, while average prisoner had way eaisier time in it, the second was most likely a economical mismanagement gone very wrong. Famine would've happened either way, but Stalin wanted the peasants to starve, not the workers, because Ukrainians were expendable.
>>479764
Mao was awful in every way imaginable. The only thing he did good was being talented at inspiring fascism, not that he did anything good with it. He wasn't even a good general, just in the right place at the right time in world war 2. Also, He was anti-education, going as far as killing people who wore prescription glasses just because it made them look smart and college like. He also caused a few famines by wiping out birds. At least Stalin showed some industrialization after his monstrosities and it served some goal of improvement for the country, but Mao was so shit that even modern day China chooses to distance themselves away from the idea of communism and Mao.
>>479471
>evil
>>479485
> Bush
> in a list with Mao, Stalin, and Hitler
Into the trash it goes.
>>479471
fuck off naziboo
>>479471
After Hitler, pretty much yeah.
>>485555
In what way was Hitler worse? Stalin caused more deaths and purged his own people. In my opinion, that's worse than having killed six million Jews. Not to mention the Holodomor was in itself a genocide yet the only genocide people care to adknowledge is the Holocaust
>>485579
I feel Stalin killed more people by accident, not really knowing how big the death tolls really were
Hitler was just evil and really meant to kill other people/exterminate them, the absolute mad man
>>479471
Won't beat Vlad Tepes.
>>479471
Your pic is not related.
>>485461
American education at work.
>>486010
Doesn't matter where he got his education from if he's right.
Unless you can refute him, then you have to respect his opinion.
Lenin.
Stalin ran from one fire to the next trying to keep the state from burning to the ground.. Lenin wanted to burn everything down and then rebuild.
>>486010
Wow, you sure convinced him with your hot opinion, faggot.
>>479685
"Funny old man" here is just as bad as Stalin
I'd like to remind you that he fucking murdered all the spaghetti people in Jugoslavia's borders and threw their bodies in sinkholes. Civilians. With families.
Stalin killed more jews than Hitler.
>>481492
Lulz, with women and children at Stalingrad? What a pinko
>>485555
>>485579
Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong
>>479480
Probably because those people's lives were improved via the millions of forced labor camps
>>487268
Solzhenitsyn testified that the camps improved his life by converting him to an ultra Russian Orthodox position.
It also proletarianised him.
>>479480
If by improving people's lives you mean killing all the people who didn't improve than I guess he did.
>>479485
>Bush
>Stalin, Hitler, and Mao
>>486606
>Killing Italians
>A bad thing
Butthurt spaghetti is butthurt over being a faggy little spaghetti.
>>484445
i would agree with this. russia was powerful despite the purges and refusal to allow tactical retreats or withdrawals. a think a factor that also caused the soviets to be massacred by the nazis initially was that they were not allowed to attack or take their own initiative to respond, which probably would have involved retreating at first. except if an officer retreated he would be executed. so basically stalin new nothing about the military and tried his best to hinder it because he was so afraid of losing power.
>>487307
Britbong here t b h
>>479471
We've had this thread before.
Unit 731 guys were/probably up there.
>>486010
>>486571
>Mao inspired fascism
Fascism is such a non-fucking entity in Chinese politics it's puzzling to figure out how even an American like you could think of it.
>Mao wasn't a good general
Sure as long as not being a good general means leading a large peasant and worker army to defeat the Nationalists regime and taking control of one the most populated country in the world, then, sure, he was "shit".
>Mao was anti-education and killed people that wore glasses
Seriously confusing Mao Zedong and Pol Pot on /his/ lmfao just go and stay go lol
>Muh 5000 gorillion starved to def
Keep saying it it'll come true one day. Top top off your embarrassment:
>Muh popular news level of understanding Chinese politics
Now kill yourself. (I hope to God you're a samefag but I'm sure it really is more than one "person" behind these posts.)
>>479480
>only to Americans
No, actually pretty much everyone except Russians and Jews.
Also Russians are dumb fucks worshipping a guy who killed more Russians than Hitler lmao
>>487268
The "facts" about the gulag were over dramatized.
>>487298
True, Mao and Stalin weren't evil and they actually helped their countries.
>>487358
>Fascism is such a non-fucking entity in Chinese politics
Invention of Legalism around 200 BC
Ever since
>>487358
The communist were practically wiped out in WWII and it was only because the Japanese and the KwoMinTang were focussing on fighting eachother that they managed to survive.
Mao's decisions led to enormous casualties and multiple defeats. The Long March is admitely a stroke of genius but from a Chinese perspective not at all original. Quite a classic move really, see Red Cliff/Water Margin for instance.
Mao was definetely anti-education and the Cultural Revolution was a period of horrific and bizare killings
At least 50 million died as a direct result of his policies
>>487365
>He killed more Russians than Hilter
Nice myth propagating.
1) Not all Soviets are Russian.
2) Hitler killed waaaayyy more Soviets than Stalin did.
3) Hitler did all of this in a period of under 4 years, whereas ol' Joe had nearly 30.
>>487406
>Pyccкeбыдлo пpoпaгaндa
>>487433
>math is Bydlo propaganda.
lol, ok
>>487379
>legalism
>fascism
Stop posting.
>>487403
Saying Mao was anti-education is pants-on-head retarded. The Communists, including Mao, were the ones that introduced modern science and education. The Cultural Revolution was a decentralized popular effort where people inspired by modern science rejected Confucian and traditional education. Students made a large portion of the Red Guards. The usual chuckleheads like Chang and Halliday say millions were killed during this but there's no justification for it, just as they say millions died because of the famine and there's no justification for that either.
>muh cold war prop
Sorry kid.
>>487433
You wish.
>>479480
He's pretty evil to every other Eastern European, and you have to be pretty blind to think that Stalin didn't set the USSR on the path to failure (not that there was any more time to save Russia).
The reds ruined your country dude, how do you not get that? You killed off your tsar who was trying to fix shit in a brutal manner and allowed communism to fuck your culture and customs in the ass. You can't even claim the heritage of Russia, you raped it away.
>>487505
>He's pretty evil to every other Eastern European
Yes, and every other Eastern European is fairly fond of him.
>>487505
>muh culture and customs
That culture and those customs were "fucked" because the vast majority of people didn't benefit from them, and good riddance. Cry over some burned icons and not-even-yours dead tsar and his rotten cake-eating family (no wonder Americans love royalty).
>>487511
Not him and I grew up in an Eastern country and literally nobody liked Stalin. There were some fossilized commies who still adored Lenin, but absolutely nobody loved uncle Joe.
>>487516
>no wonder Americans love royalty
Actually Americans were among the first who got rid of royal rule. It's weird how Americans are the scapegoat for everything on this board.
>>487358
Mao would have never done anything if it wasn't for all the Communist spies in the American and Nationalist governments influencing policy. Practically every American aide to Chaing was a secret Red. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Harry Dexter White, a Soviet mole cancelled a loan that would have stabilized the Nationalist Government, which was reeling after the war.
Mao didn't win anything. It was handed to him.
Ted Bundy
>>488393
Mao's finance minister was a European jew.
He single-handedly destroyed the American economy which lead to 10s of millions of deaths
>>489491
fuck off back to /pol/
>>479471
Why do Nazis see no irony in talking about how terrible Stalin was? Do they honestly think their military dictatorship was better than his military dictatorship?
>>487445
>The Communists, including Mao, were the ones that introduced modern science and education.
1/10.
>>490010
>Generally speaking, the intellectuals specializing in engineering are better, because they are in touch with reality. Scientists, pure scientists, are worse, but they are still better than those who specialize in art subjects. [Liberal] art subjects are completely detached from reality. Students of history, philosophy, and economics have no concern with studying reality; they are the most ignorant of things of this world.
- Mao
Did he fall for the stem meme?
sauce https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_36.htm
Mao did what he did because chinese society was too smug/self centered... retreating into it's "traditional culture" to such an extent that it wasn't able to advance itself or develop itself.
Mao basically said "fuck it" and destroyed said traditional culture... ham fisted to be sure, but it got the job done as china has since then advanced.. (mostly by stealing russian and american designs..)
pol pot was a fucking moron... "lol veitnamese subhumans get out"===>proceeds to get rekt by north veitnamese.
>>491032
>On Education (1964)
Already by 1964 STEM students in China had sorted themselves into partiinost apparatchik and nomenklatura. This was dangerous because under 100 flowers, and soon in the cultural revolution, the nomenklatura would be purged. But the "new" STEM students weren't tainted by a period in government 1949-1965, and so escaped the cultural revolution purge. They also avoided "ultraleftism:" ie: revolutionism either for a new nomenklatura rule or a proletarian rule, during the cultural revolution.
Humanities students, didn't. And 1989 wiped out a further generation along with the "old" intelligentsia and blue collar working class.
Long story short: Engineering cliques have been very important in chinese history from the 1960s.
>>479471
>Russian Empire finally starts getting industrialisation really going
>trans-siberian railroad and so on
>subversive Marxist minority usurps control
>"We industrialised Russia!!!1"
>>487120
kek, i would use that card if i was not jewish
I am.
You see I am pure concentrated evil. Years of torment have turned me into the monster I am today. At this point I am far beyond help. My only purpose in this world is to bring pain to others. I have trained my skills to cause maximum havoc and destruction. I care about nothing and have nothing to live for, that is what makes me so dangerous. I am like a caged animal. Actually more like a rabid dog because I will not hesitate to destroy anything that slightly provokes me. Watch out roaches, there is a storm coming. The storm that wipes your pathetic life from the face of this earth.
>>479753
Based Tito
>>479753
because they all wanted to be sure the nigga is dead before they start shilling croats with 'western values'.
>>488553
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Finance_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China#List_of_Finance_Ministers
if you practiced some critical thought and researched the subject, you would know that is bullshit.
No, Man is.
>>491126
>>487268
They were just a continuation of the katorgas under tsarist russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katorga
>>489580
>Not being a socialist means you're from /pol
>>491375
Read the sticky, you're violating the 25 year rule.
>>487332
I really wish I hadn't googled that. How could these people possibly live with themselves and how the fuck could America let them go.
Fuck this planet
>>490010
>pre-Communist China didn't have schools still based around Confucian philosophy and Chinese classics, farming practices according to Daoist divination, very little industry
>Communist China didn't have schools based on Western science and engineering, modern farming practices and tools, industrialization
>>491689
You mean America, the number one recruiter of Nazi war criminals?
>>491800
Why must the world be a place full of hypocritical shit sacks
>>487332
The commander of that unit is literally an anime villain holy shit
>During his study at the Kyoto Imperial University, Ishii would often grow bacteria "pets" in multiple petri dishes. His odd practice of raising bacteria as companions rather than as research subjects made Ishii notable to the staff of the university
