STOP CALLING IT BYZANTINE EMPIRE
ROMAN EMPIRE
>>461183
BASILEIA ROMAION
ROMAN EMPIRE
>Osmanlı Devleti
Why do we call it the byzantine empire anyway? Why not Roman Empire or Eastern Roman Empire, what the hell is Byzantine? That's like calling the British Empire the "London Empire" fucking stupid
>>461315
>germans
also why do they call south-eastern europe, the balkans, although its actual european name is haemus. germans, they hate europe, they despise europe.
>>461315
Thats like calling the latin empire roman empire just because rome is the capital!
>>461353
Romans weren't the only Latins though. They were one of several Latin tribes.
>>461353
But they called themselves Romans
>>461183
WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIT
>>461315
>Roman Empire
>Capital in Anatolia
top kek
>>461315
>Roman Empire
>doesn't include Rome
That's just cringy.
The Roman Empire is a pagan Empire
>>461388
Frankish Empire = Empire of Franks
Russian Empire = Empire of Russians
German Empire = Empire of Germans
Roman Empire = Empire of Romans
Is the Byzantine Empire the most pathetic empire of all time?
>claim to be "the Roman Empire" while speaking Greek and not being anywhere near Rome
>lose all your land to Muslims because you're pathetic degenerate cowards who can't fight for shit and have to rely on mercenaries
>beg Western barbarians to come save your worthless asses, and Western barbarians travel halfway across the world to do so, over and over since you keep on being useless
>act like massively arrogant cunts to them, betray them at every opportunity, and literally massacre the Latins living in Constantinople
>cry about it until the end of time when Westerners finally have enough of your faggotry and decide to slap your shit
>>461401
Romans live in Rome, dipshit.
>>461407
Yes, in the new one.
>>461409
>he fell for the new Rome meme
>>461315
Because it's a more specific term than "Roman Empire" or "Eastern Roman Empire".
>>461403
t. mehmed sultan
How did the word Byzantine get the second definition of
>(of a system or situation) excessively complicated, typically involving a great deal of administrative detail
>>461375
>t. Buttmad Turk
Naw Naw, nigga i think you meen to say WE wuz romans n shit
>>461584
>Feudal Western Euroniggers look up centralized Byzantine government
>Their Feudal brains blow up trying to understand "offices" or "governors."
>I-its Byzantine. I can't understand that shit
>>461674
>Roman Empire leads all the civilized world being undefeated since centuries
>380 a.D.
>Christianity becomes the official religion of the empire.
>No one prays pagan gods anymore.
>408-410 a.D.
>Visigoths invasion and Sack of Rome
>tfw Christianity ruined everything.
FUCK YOU COSTATINE! FUCK YOU TEODOSIO!
>>461744
>implying Christianity ruined Rome
>implying Christianity didn't save Rome from debauchery and unified the subjects under Roman control
>implying the Eastern (Christian) Roman Empire didn't survive for a thousand ears after the sack of Rome
nice memes peasant
>>461695
I guess that's where they get "sounds greek to me" lol
>>461777
>Implying the Christianity didn't destroy the identity of the Roman empire
>Implying that they weren't dominated by dozens of others pagan populations
>Implying the Middle Age wasn't the result of Christianity and the weakest period of european history
The only think that Christianity did well is Arts.
>>461829
>>Implying the Christianity didn't destroy the identity of the Roman empire
The Roman identity was ruined way before Christianity. The Romans of the time when Christianity was accepted were far different from the Romans of the Republic. The Romans didn't worship the Roman gods when Christianity was divided, the Romans were divided in belief of a billion cults.
>>Implying that they weren't dominated by dozens of others pagan populations
All empires rise and fall. Those pagan populations converted to Christianity and tried to copy everything Roman.
>>Implying the Middle Age wasn't the result of Christianity and the weakest period of european history
>The dark ages meme
>>>>/out/
>>461829
Replaying to bait.
>Implying the Christianity didn't destroy the identity of the Roman empire
Say it to Constantine XI.
>Implying that they weren't dominated by dozens of others pagan populations
Most of the invading barbarians were Christians themselves.
>Implying the Middle Age wasn't the result of Christianity and the weakest period of european history
No, it was the result of snowniggers ruining everything. Again.
>Sultanate of Rum
>>461407
It didn't mean "someone who lives in Rome" after the first hundred years of the empire.
>>461315
Victorians didn't like the idea that the west has no claim to to the legacy of rome, and that the eastern empire did.
So they renamed it.
>>461401
Wasn't Byzantium predominantly Greek? Sure they were Roman citizens, but they weren't ethnically, linguistically, or entirely culturally the same as the Romans in the west. I think perhaps calling it some variation of "the Greek empire" would be more accurate.
>>464870
There were no such thing as unified Roman ethnicity or culture, Latin-speaking people in the west were ethnically and culturally diverse - Latins, other Italics, Etruscians, Celts, Iberians and many others. "Romans" from the very beginning was a legal term, meaning citizens of the city, and since 3rd century every free man in the Empire was a citizen. So Greek-speaking people on the east were right to call themselves Romans and their empire Roman Empire.
>>464870
Roman culture was an imitation of Greek culture, friend.
>doesn't speak Latin
>doesn't follow Roman Catholicism
>doesn't control Rome
The Byzantine Empire is Hellenism + Romanism + Oriental Despotism. If you call it Roman, you might as well as call the Ottoman or Russian empires "Roman".
>>461183
>icons
>>464382
>Basileos Morgan
>>465068
Top kek
>>461385
/his/ is for everyone /pol/fag you should leave
>>465057
Cool pic, what anime is that from?
>>465357
shut up roach
>>465039
>denial
>>461315
Because the Byzantium was the melding of Roman and Greek culture. It makes sense.
>>461315
Probably because the"Roman Empire" was centered around the city of Rome, so the empire that was centered around the city of Byzantium gets called the "Byzantine Empire"
>when in Byzantium, do as the Romans do
HURRRRRR WE WUZ CAESAR
>Japan moves its capital from Kyoto to Tokyo
>Still Japan
>Russia moves its capital from Moscow to St. Petersburg
>Still Russia
>Brazil moves its capital from Rio de Janeiro to Brasilia
>Still Brazil
>China moves its capital from Nanjing to Beijing
>Still China
>Rome moves its capital from Rome to Constantinople
>This makes it an entirely different country
>>466093
People get really autistic about the name ROMAN Empire when even the late western empire had moved its capital to Ravenna.
>>466342
And before that it was Milan, and before - Trier. IIRC during 4th century a Roman Emperor visited Rome itself only once or twice, Rome has been irrelevant since 3rd century.
I prefer to call it that as a Greek. The Romans already get too much credit and trying to maintain the legacy of your subjugators is pure cuckoldry.
Then again pretending to be something you're not is an Anatolian tradition.
Okay, I think I've come up with a good compromise that could please everybody.
The Greeks of the empire were not ethnic Romans from the city of the Rome.
But their state was the Roman Empire, and therefore their nationality was Roman.
Sound good? Can we all agree to this?
>>466093
They spoke an entirely different language and didn't even have control of Rome a lot of the time
>>466512
French people don't speak Frankish language and France don't control Aachen since middle ages.
>>466093
>Lose all territory left of the adriatic including heartland and namesake
>Adopt new culture
>Speak different language
>Still the same state
ebin.
Why do Byzantaboos take it so personally?
>>466512
>they ddn't control rome!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
The WESTERN empire fucking moved the capital out of rome, and kept it out of it.
Rome was irrelevant to the empire outside of sentimental value for several centuries, being a fucking pit of angry proles who did nothing but riot and demand free shit.
>MUH LANGUAGE
Except they kept using latin in a n official capacity long after the wealth fell.
And on top of this, if you put an early imperial roman next to a roman kingdom era roman-they would have serious trouble understanding each other.
On top of this, the late empire had the antiquarian movement, where educated nobles REFUSED to use any word that wouldn't have been known to a Persian war era Athenian.
>>466541
>Lose all territory left of the adriatic including heartland and namesake
The east was the heartland of the empire, you fucking moron. It was far more prosperous and worthwhile to control, which is a huge part of the east surviving at all.
>Adopt new culture
Name for themselves?
Romans.
Name people called their land?
Land of the romans.
>Still the same state
When literally all of your laws, bureaucracy, and administration descend directly from a state, and you're in territory owned by it, using the same legal code, taxing the same people, with an ar,y that was raised by it...
Yeah, you're that state.
Unless you're going to tell me 1800s America and 2015 America are different states, because the culture is sure as fuck different.
>>461183
KEEPIN IT 300 LIKE THE BYZANTINES
I honestly don't mind Byzantine because most educated people are aware it was the "Roman" Empire and we just call it Byzantine for convenience.
Plus there's something so grand and majestic about the word "Byzantine."
So like what did they call themselves?
>>467068
They called themselves Romans, some old Greeks still do.
>>467068
>Throughout the Middle Ages, the Byzantine Greeks self-identified as Rhōmaîoi (Greek: Ῥωμαῖοι, "Romans") and Graikoí (Γραιkοί, "Greeks")
>>461183
It stopped being Roman when Heraclius changed the language officially from Latin to Greek at the end of the 7th century.
>>467080
Says nobody who does even cursory study of the period, nobody living at the time, and no historian.
>>467080
> France stopped being France when the ruling class stopped to speak Frankish
> Bulgaria stopped being Bulgaria when the ruling class stopped to speak Turkish
> Russia stopped being Russia when the ruling class stopped to speak Swedish
>>467080
the identity "Roman" can't be measured in terms of language or nationality because it was tied to neither.
Roman was an identity defined by citizenship. During Rome's conquests, their conquered subjects still continued to speak their respective languages with Latin being used as the primary language of government and inter-provincial communication. Roman citizens in Judea still spoke Hebrew, citizens in Macedonia and Byzantium still spoke Greek, and so on. An effort to convert the everyday language of everyone in the empire would be too much for what Rome was capable of at the time, and was generally just fine with citizens speaking their local tongues, as long as state documents and other trade/government related communication was done in Latin.
Since the state government and framework was that of the Roman Empire, the people still identified themselves as "Roman" because that was the title of their citizenship, even with the capital in Constantinople, Ravenna, Milan, and elsewhere.
There is no ethnic or linguistic Roman, just the title of a citizen of Rome.
>>467086
>Says nobody
>t. armchair historian
>>466556
*United States
>>467216
I hope you have a source to support your claims, it's too flimsy.
>>467216
t. Gibbon
