What is the point of people organizing themselves into structures more complex than a tribe?
Civilization, I guess. Do YOU want to live in a world that has a 25% murder rate? Or are you perhaps asking why people did it in the first place?
>>451549
The people who didn't got killed by the people who did.
There is no point.
Getting shit done. You can't think of a single thing that would be get done faster by using more people than a tribe?
>>451549
Security, the bane of humanity
because they are getting more people?
>>451564
But a few hundred people can do everything they need to do at a moderate pace and still have time to stop and smell the flowers.
>>451564
>You can't think of a single thing that would be get done faster by using more people than a tribe
But is it necessary?
>>451566
Nobody cared for security until the aristoi wore the mask of the state.
>>451549
>What is the point of people organizing themselves into structures more complex than a tribe?
Power.
If your neighbouring groups are growing then you'll have to grow too, otherwise they'll force their political will upon you.
>>451566
How is it the bane of humanity? The first mass graves in history stem from early settlements that were raided by nomadic groups. They had to grow larger in order to protect themselves from them.
This ideal of every man looking out for himself often found among libertarians is a silly position of modern luxury in relatively peaceful times.
In the past, those who were alone were easy targets for those who banded together.
>>451980
He means agriculture
>>451980
No, the first mass graves come from early agricultural people raiding each other. Google talheim death pit.
>>452046
The point is: they needed to grow to defend themselves better (or to become better at raiding others).
>>452067
So safety is the reason for standing armies, and later imperialism?
>>452070
Not necessarily. Especially when it comes to imperialism there was a lot of private interest involved from bourgeois entrepreneurs who sought to exploit other countries for personal gain. Not to mention that there is also ideology involved, Imperial mission, "civilising" others, etc. - up to a certain point I'm fairly certain that safety is a major reason, since if your neighbours are growing, you'll have to grow too.
agriculture
>>452088
Surplus, created by agriculture (an inferior but safer option at first), allowed civilizations to field bigger permanent armies which prompted civilizations to spread their wings, establish hegemony and secure their civilization's access to resources and ultimately existence. Those wings inclined others to partake in the race in order to protect themselves as well. A perpetual state of war commenced.
People sought refugee behind city walls or moved there to secure their needs provided to them in an accessible and safe format. Institutions were raised to safeguard the polity and the lives of their citizens, and things such as religion and class formed to secure the ideological and productive aspects.
>>451566
Bane?!
>>451980
>implying libertarians are anarchists
