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Scientists have a very ill formed definition of philosophy. Philosophy
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Scientists have a very ill formed definition of philosophy. Philosophy is a quest for objectivity just like science, that's why science was derived from philosophy. The philosophical method is much broader than the scientific one, applicable to human affairs and even to worlds that aren't actual, that's the power of introspection. They conclude that philosophical discourses are nonsensical because of their preconceived notion of sense data as the only source of objectivity, a notion derived from the philosophical method, after all you can't empirically verify that statement. But that assumption is what give scientific discourse the objective status, a assumption that every scientist in a lab makes even though they're not even aware of, the epistemic framework of science has a philosophical foundation.

If you as a scientist want to criticize philosophers try to analyze their claims from a philosophical perspective, because if your definition of objectivity is sense data then of course you're gonna think they're bullshitting you. But they're not, they're trying to do the same thing a chemist does in a lab, the problem is that is a lot harder to have that objective ground in philosophical subjects, you can't really use the sense data assumption when dealing with mental states now can't you?

And just to be fair, there's a lot of philosophies out there that are actually bullshit, because you don't really have a rigorous definition of objectivity like science does, then people go wild and claim they're telling the truth. But a scientist to deny the importance of philosophy is simply madness, science is permeated with philosophical assumptions, and being ignorant of them and philosophy in general may get you in epistemological troubles.
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Is that Ray William Johnson? =3?
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>>438649
Science is philosophy but it is a highly specific and proven to show results. The issue with most philosophies is that they don't provide society with anything. Any philosophy worth anything should either better people or give them a broader perspective and Science does this consistently, more so than any other branch of philosophy. Therefore I would say it does have some just in snubbing other less effective philosophies.
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>>438649

That's nice. Philosophers can't make this happen, though.
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>>438649
>The philosophical method is much broader than the scientific one
You've a fairly shitty grasp of science if you think that the natural-scientific method is the only method used in the sciences.
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>>438649
>/b/ has atheistposting
>/pol/ has cuckposting
>/his/ has scienceposting

Do people shit up /sci/ with philposting?
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>>439186
/sci/ has science tier-posting.
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>>439168
That's not science, that's engineering.
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>>439217
>Engineering not science
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>>439186
There's the odd problem-with-inductionposting, but it's mostly 0.999 =/= 1 threads that shit up the board
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>>440098
but 1/3 = 0.3333 so 3/3 = ?????
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>>439168
I've heard philosophers are really good at flipping burgers though
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>>439168
Philosophy was essential for this to happen.
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You guys are boring,
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The chief failing of scientific types is that they stubbornly cling to a materialist conception of the world, and are quite incapable of thinking outside this conception. This limits the scope of scientific disciplines considerably, and prevents them from being able to reach the heart of many problems, such as that of consciousness.
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