So, how many of us are actual IRL Historians with academic degrees and shit and not mere armchair Historians who got all their information off Wikipedia? I'm currently working on my Masters in 'Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture,' a study in how History has become hyper sexualized on Television, Movies and print, and what that means for the telling of History and the Academic Profession.
wat
>>39620
You just fucking doxxed yourself you idiot.
Working on my masters at the moment. Writing about the diplomatic missions to the west by the Japanese and how they influenced the rapid change in their society.
>>39705
Perry and the like? An interesting topic. What is your take on it? I've seen two schools of thought on that topic, either they did Japan a great deal of good and made it into the power it is today, or they created the anti-western mentality which eventually led to WWII.
Graduated in 2014 with a master in history. Wrote my thesis about bus travels as a kickstarter for european mass tourism. Now work in an entirely different sector.
Im a history and geography teacher in a high school. (pls dont bully me )
>>39941
You're a braver man than I. I don't know how you can put up with all those kids.
>>39620
I got a 4 year in history.
However, I don't think that really means much. The best historians will have degrees, but there were plenty of dipshits in my upper level seminar classes that were basically braindead.
>>39620
>armchair historians
Most historians do in fact use armchairs.
To be honest I could've done a history major, and planned to, but it's completely dominated by party-politics in my nation. And from the folks I've talked to, it seems they're actually receiving more politics than education because the kind of misconceptions and knowledge-gaps they're presenting take the discussion level to /pol/ or Tumblr tier.
tl;dr too much politics, too little history
>>39976
Its terrible my friend . I live in an certain arab country and you see my students are from the math section so history and geography is considered as a secondary subject that they wont even need in their final year so all what they do in class is eating, playing with their phones and making fun of me .
>>39620
Was working on my masters when illness fucked me over.
No, just a bunch of assorted hipsters.
>>39690
Oh no, people will know who you are on a Mongolian recipe sharing forum! The horror!
Not to mention he didn't even publish it yet, so unless you're putting a calendar reminder, you'll have forgotten about it in a few months' time.
>>40093
Come to America. You'll become the cool history teacher that everyone loves. Unless they're boring, no one hates on the history teacher.
I have no degree but i spend most of my time reading about history.
Does your degree make you superior?
>>40275
Depends on what Histories you've been reading. Until you've struggled through a dozen leaden-prose, footnote laden academic histories you're still a lightweight.
>>39620
>I'm currently working on my Masters in 'Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture,'
Literally what job do you expect to get after graduation? What a waste of money.
>>40334
I plan to do my PhD afterwards, and then become a fulltime Lecturer. And given my grandparents have bankrolled me the entire time (I've never needed a Student Loan and am debt-free) I don't have to worry about the money.
>>40427
Lecturing what? Degenerate History to other would be sex lecturers?
Wasting your grandparents money, still means you're wasting money.
>>40500
Actually I was thinking of doing my PhD on 'History and the Media Age: How the Internet has revolutionized History', talking about how the Internet has made a more complete record of past events then at any point in History before, focusing on 9/11 and the Iraq War and coverage of both online and asking how a Historian should use the Internet as a Historic resource.
>>40500
You don't have to worry, he's obviously as bourgeois as fuck and will both scab on his colleagues and ruin his graduate student's research programmes.
Fewer than half a percentage of PhD candidates are working class. And no I don't mean "blue collar."
>>40067
What country?
>>39620
>Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture
I remember seeing this in a thread in /qa/. Currently a second year Undergraduate myself
I'm not a professional historian (my work is in economics and public policy) but this is a fun hobby.
>>40767
Yeah, now that there's a proper /hist/ board we can talk freely about our work. How's undergraduate treating you? Have you reached the Postmodern threshold yet?
>>39620
>I'm currently working on my Masters in 'Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture,' a study in how History has become hyper sexualized on Television, Movies and print, and what that means for the telling of History and the Academic Profession.
That is the dumbest thing I've heard all year.
>>40820
>Have you reached the Postmodern threshold yet?
Undergrad is alright. It hasnt gotten difficult at all yet and the first year doesnt count at British Universities so ive pretty much done fuck all desu. I stumbled upon Postmodernism in the third week of the first year and avoided it since. im getting a bunch of the books to read over christmas though.
I'm 3rd year archaeology student. Currently doing a dissertation on the impact of Scandinavian occupation on the archaeology of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire during the period from 865-1066
I'm honestly considering saying "fuck it" to grad school now that I've seen the odds and just going into law. Third year undergrad here.
>>40876
Read Hayden White, Foucault, and one of those New Times wanker post-marxists.
>>39620
Not me
I'm a physics grad student
While I enjoy history a great deal it never really gave me a good rush
I considered for a time being a classics major with a focus in Latin texts but decided against it
>>40843
Have you seen Spartacus, Rome, The Tudors, Reign or any History TV show in recent years? They're all saturated in sex and violence beyond what would was actually done, and I want to know why. Maybe it's a bad topic, but it's something new and not a stale rehash like so many other things.
>>40917
I hate those fuckers so much. They almost completely ruined History for me.
I'm a second-year English Literature student who's contemplating doing a Master's in History.
Am l deluding myself in thinking a feat like that is possible without actually having studied History?
>>40956
Depends. You can pick up the basics of History pretty easily. For a Masters you just need a good topic, a good supervisor and the patience to spend weeks and weeks archive-diving.
I'm not sure what field I want to go in to. I'm planning to study archaeology, ancient history, Greek, and Latin, but I also really like philosophy (Classical and enlightenment).
I'd really like to focus on Rome, Byzantium, and antiquity in general, but I also like medieval and Napoleonic history. I'm really interested in neoplatonic philosophy, but unless I do a philosophy degree, I probably won't encounter much of it.
>>40948
>Have you seen Spartacus, Rome, The Tudors, Reign or any History TV show in recent years?
I don't typically watch trashy TV shows.
I don't think they're worth writing about either.
Sensationalism is nothing new.
>>40956
Depends, you might struggle with the theoretical stuff if historical theory is anywhere near as horrible as archaeological theory
>>40956
Higher education in history is mostly about learning how to go through archives and write history rather than rote memorization of facts. That's not to say that there's no dates and names, it's just that they're not that big a part of academic work. If you're confident in your abilities as a writer, you should be able to do fine.
>>39620
I am a history teacher with a masters-degree in military history, money is pretty good and teaching is fun so I am a happy man.
>>40948
>I hate those fuckers so much. They almost completely ruined History for me.
You have to know them to overcome them.
Next try EP Thompson versus Perry Anderson (Stalking horse for Althusser).
>>41023
>Depends, you might struggle with the theoretical stuff if historical theory is anywhere near as horrible as archaeological theory
Neh, if you know how to read you can do historiographical theory. The problem is most people haven't learnt hermeneutics.
>>40956
>I'm a second-year English Literature student who's contemplating doing a Master's in History.
I know plenty of Lit Majors doing history. The two disciplines are a lot closer than you think.
You'd find that being knoweldgeable in standard details & figures & events history doesn't actually help in Masterals
>t. I am that guy.
>>39620
I'm a fourth year History student. Planning to go to grad school for a Master's in Library Science.
One question for people who are into history over archaeology: how do you find having no 'practical' aspect to the work? Obviously history's really interesting but compared to archaeology it's a bit dry
I dropped out of college because I found the approach they take to history extremely boring.
I'm not interested in the diet of peasants during the Ancient Regime, I'm not interested in some heretical beliefs of a irrelevant cheesemaker, and I'm definitely not interested in the intersectionality of Marxist feminism during the Sandinista revolution.
Unfortunately, that's all academic historians are interested nowadays, so that was not my place. I hope /his/ doesn't follow that path either, I guess most people do not come here for that bullshit either.
I have an associates from community college but I don't have the grades or money to move forward at the moment
I intend to focus upon Anatolia despite having virtually 0 connections to it personally.
>>40948
>Have you seen Spartacus, Rome, The Tudors, Reign or any History TV show in recent years? They're all saturated in sex and violence beyond what would was actually done, and I want to know why.
It's because sex sells. The average viewer has no interest in History shows unless they're filled with sex and violence.
Masters in Assyriology reporting in!
Nothing feels quite as good as wedges in clay tablets.
>>40992
>>41023
Let me preface this by saying l live in a former third-world shithole (formerly third-world, still a shithole) and most of our history consists of stealing that of our neighbors or fabricating dhit out of thin air.
So if l were interested in something like the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, just how specific would my thesis have to be? What about research, how would source-hunting and listing said sources go? I wouldn't have to go look for primary sources in the French National Archives, right?
>>41138
Which is a shame, as History is really interesting if you actually look beyond the basics. Those shows could be really good without a needless dollop of sex and violence. Maybe that says more about people today than History.
>>41132
Just learning about wars and great men is honestly a very superficial approach to history. The diet of peasants during the Ancien Regime can be pretty important if you're asking about how famine would have driven them to revolt, for example.
>>41125
Ever read an unpublished archive and simulated a large organisation's functions and its constituent members inside your mind?
>>41135
What time period of Anatolia? I'm assuming you're in the states? If you're anywhere near Chicago, the Oriental Institute is amazing, they have free lectures once in a while.
The Japanese and Germans have made huge strides in Anatolian history and archaeology despite not having connections to it personally. Interested people will be interested. For ANE stuff, the importance of modern languages is:
German > English > Turkish > Japanese > etc.
>>41125
Son, if you are studying a subject for a couple of months. And you head over to the archive. And suddenly you find this rare gift of a source that tells you everything you need to know.
That feeling is fucking magical
>>41132
>and I'm definitely not interested in the intersectionality of Marxist feminism during the Sandinista revolution.
Swede? You got to be a fellow Swede.
>>40956
Be prepared to read. And read. And read.
Literally all day every day.
>>41132
Don't hate on based Ginzburg
I've got a two-year degree from community college. ^:)
History student dropout senpai
always prefered anecdotal history to deep study
This board is dope
>>41209
If you're interested in the French Revolution, I'd suggest you read 'Citizens' by Simon Schama. He's the reason I decided to become a Historian in the first place. Or if you can find a copy, Georges Lefebvre's history of the French Revolution. WHen you read them , check through the cited sources and bibliographies, that should give you an idea of where sources can be found. It should also help to stimulate a question or topic in your mind to do your Thesis on.
I got my bachelor's in history, but had the presence of mind to know that a master's or phd is a terrible investment. Went to law school instead, which was the best decision of my life. I still love history, but there is no money in it.
Got through undergrad with a degree in the subject, then realized there was no money in studying history academically and became a NEET. Plus I suck at languages, and the job market's bad enough when you *are* multilingual.
Graduating with my MA Ancient History this month.
Wrote my dissertation on building projects in the reign of the Tetrarchy.
Has anyone here published anything?
>>39620
I'm just a guy with a computer trying to contribute to the beginning of a new board.
If you think about it, we are actually contributing to 4chan's history by posting here.
>>41541
Who's going to write the official History of 4chan? How would you do it?
>>41324
>History student dropout senpai
Same. I went for culinary and Japanese. I don't regret it
>>41576
Incomprehensible mess of antiqued memes.
>>40333
>defending your poor choice of vocation this haughtily
I mean, I guess you have to cling to something at this point.
>>41247
Medieval Greeks and Rum. I just realized I should try Rum some time I'm only 22 and it'd feel funny to read about Rum while drinking Rum.
I'm in rural TN so Chicago is a ways away, but I'll remember that when I can hold a job. Kinda surprised to hear the Japanese are into it that much.
>>41576
Lots of interviews, plus archives from the sites already backing it up. Too bad none of them seem to last.
>>41090
How's that going for ya? What are you working on?
I assume this would be the case in other non-Anglo universities offering English Lit courses, but l've got a lot of classes that actually deal with the history and culture of Britain and America, not to mention the constant discussions about historical background in the classes that do cover literature.
I lost my train of thought here, l types that out in order to ask you something but then l forgot. Uh...how are you finding it? Is it difficult, not having a history degree to lean on?
>>41294
That shouldn't be a problem. I find myself slacking off on the things l need to do for my actual classes and reading history instead.
Any biography recommendations, by the way? Preferably something dealing with European or American historical figures from the 18th century onwards.
>>41333
Thanks bud.
About Lefebvre, is his book on Napoleon worth reading, or is it outdated? I've read the books by Vincent Cronin and Andrew Roberts, but l wouldn't mind some more books on the man.
>>41700
Lefebvre's work is pretty old, he did all his writing during WWII under the occupation, but it's solid. I'd recommend it.
>>40681
Huezilla
History Degree is worse than womens studies or sexuality degree.
>>39620
>history degree
>history masters
>>39773
I would say both. Although they were still pretty anti western before that. Japan had a smaller version of the Taipeng rebellion and after killing all the Christian rebels banned Christianity. It left a bad taste in their mouth. Also, Russians.
Other stuff happened, during the meiji restoration while they were trying to establish themselves as a colonial power,a European boat unloading a shit pile of Cholera victims at a Japanese port after the imperial government told them absolutely fucking not. Despite being the first asian power to throw off their unequal treaties, they got treated like shit by most western powers.
At the end of the day, and I'm saying this as an American so take it as you will, Perry was good for Japan. The US was a hell of a lot nicer than a lot of European powers, and I can't even imagine what would have happened had the Russians really forced themselves on Japan. The Japanese also had the advantage of a large and well educated aristocracy in the form of the samurai. And the gimp shogun who took power right after Perry left who asked all the daimyo for help.
>histoporn
Fucking what
I hope they don't award you the degree just for that. I don't want to see even a ghost of a chance of such a shitty phrase popping up in academic circles; it sounds like a History Channel show.
>>41983
Enjoy the ride, my friend.
>got my masters in Latin American History
>hired fulltime as a US History professor
>hate it because US History is easy tier and too many retards and marxists
poly sci majors shitting up my class
>the old fuck that teaches 6 World Civ
classes won't let me have at least one
>Can't find another fulltime gig, only adjunct bullshit
Just kill me now.
>>42222
At least you got quads!
i have a degree but i got all the info from wikipedia does that count?
>>41681
The only people who go to 4chan interviews are the attention whores who had nothing to do with the site besides shitposting and derailing and go there just to give a retarded version of the events to make everyone mad, knowing no one can do anything about it
My BA is in International Relations and Politics, and my MA is in Strategic Studies. Neither is strictly history I suppose, but it was the huge bulk of what was studied, and I wrote my Master's thesis on Byzantium.
>tfw jobless but don't care, learned cool and fun things
>>41930
>lisicki
you're not for real
fuck back to your containment thread
>>40093
Can't you guys still smack them around in Arab countries?
>>39620
What's with the pretentiousness? Many of us choose to pursue actual careers while learning about history in our free time. What's wrong with that?
>>43884
Depends on how you learn it. There's three tiers. Internet learning, Book learning and academic learning. Tier 2 is acceptable. Tier 1 is /pol/ tier.
>>43944
You've forgotten about proletarian co-learning such as WEAs or Party Schools.
>>43944
I don't think any of the tiers matter as long as you know where you stand.
Finishing up my last year for a history/polsci dual degree.
Polsci seems to have way more job opportunities than just an undergrad history degree.
>>43884
>>44018
The reality is that someone who pursues the study of a specific subject as a full-time academic career will probably have a more in depth knowledge about the subject than someone who reads history as a hobby. It's not that somehow the fact that they have a degree makes them "better", it's simply that they dedicate more time to study and research into the subject. If it were any topic outside the humanities, this really wouldn't even be questioned.
>>44250
It isn't just reading, it is also mastery of the techniques and methodologies which we call "historiography." Very few people outside of MA and PhD level work learn historiography.
Only got a bachelor's in history. Capstone paper was about shifts in a private school's culture and permissiveness in the 1960s. Turns out, a lot of the hippydom in the student body wouldn't have been possible if the school's administration hadn't actively pursued a relaxation of the school's rules and tried recruiting new students from beyond Old Money circles.
Nowadays I just spend my time teaching and playing Paradox games.
>>39620
>'Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture
>Modern "Historians"
>>44272
They go over basic historiographical theory and practice as an undergraduate. Most history programs require their undergrands to write at least one research thesis to graduate. It's just that at graduate levels and above you start dedicating serious time just to historiography.
>>44379
You can rehash the same old topics only so many times. Sometimes you need to make new ones.
>>39620
I don't have a history degree, but I get my information from books, instead of the internet.
Where does that put me?
>>44470
What sort of books?
With that being said, its time to find out if /his/ become /pol/?
https://strawpoll.me/5896498
How do you deal with academic writing in other languages? I thought it was enough just to have a basic working knowledge of other languages but this stuff is on a whole different level.
>>44552
I came from /tg/, Historic Wargames like Bolt Action, Flames of War and the like.
I just like history as a hobby
>people spent money to study history in uni/college
>>44552
Fuck I hope /his/ doesn't become /pol/. That shit's seeping damn well everywhere on 4chan, and you can only butt into a thread so many times with a tirade about liberal degeneracy and the importance of racial purity before it gets stale.
>>44641
That's nice.
But just remember the most important thing, your opinion on historical subjects has no value whatsoever.
inb4 history degree = Starbucks employee/unemployed
>>44764
lmao think what you want to think you elitist fuckboy, I'll just go ahead and torrent Polybius' Rise of the Roman Empire while you plunge into debt to do the same (but with an extra bit of paper called a diploma for a last page)
>>44536
Tons of them.
"Great Civilizations of Ancient Africa" by Lester Brooks (which is one of my favorites, an absolute blast!) is sitting right across from me, alongside "Greek Gods and Heroes" by Robert Graves.
Two months ago, I bought 57 books for $46 at a book sale, including many books about ancient civilization, some works of Plato, things about folklore, mythology, etc. I wish I had more, but I'm unemployed right now and low on money. Got two interviews coming this week, hope I get something.
>>44868
>inb4
I have no debts. I received a regent scholarship at Davis and several more that I actually have a surplus of cash.
I'm currently working at a Catholic school, and I love it. I have been told by administration that if they stay for another 4 years, they will pay for my masters.
Stay mad, pleb.
>>44718
Just be more vigilant in reporting people. The mods and janitors knew that this board would attract the assholes, and they seem to be coming down pretty hard on the more eccentric posts.
>>45007
>they stay
*I stay
>>45007
public school?
I went to a CBS in Ireland when I was young and the teachers got fucking torn apart, that is if you're not working as a janitor
gl hf
>>45075
Private, and no it's in Commiefornia.
The teachers union would rape their assholes if they tried to fuck with me.
The kids get treated decent here compared to our sister school.
I'm in my first year of my bachelor's degree in History. What can I expect in the long run? I love this major so far.
I have my Bachelor's in History and Philosophy, and now I'm in law school at a T14. I'm a L2 now so it's not as bad but last year I regretted every day not going to grad school for history.
>>45165
sounds comfy af senpai have to admit I'm a bit jelly
>>45174
Everyone will ask you if you plan on becoming a teacher.
>>44641
I'm studying History because it's my passion. [spoiler] And because I'm interested in joining the military as an officer.[/spoiler]
>>45285
That much is true, I've gotten loads of these questions already. Truth is, I'd rather risk being a professor than play it safe and be a grade school teacher, but I'll probably just enlist in the military after graduating from ROTC. (And maybe stay in the reserves long enough until I get my masters).
>>39620
I think having an academic degree makes you less qualified in understanding the real world than an "armchair Historian".
>>45174
You have 3 options.
>high school or middle school teacher
>get a phd and try to get a tenured uni position
>sell your soul to law school
>>41939
>3,4,4
What a shitty Haiku.
>>45361
I have to agree, though I always try to keep the real world in mind, far more them most of my colleagues.
>>45361
How can a world be real when there is http://www.philpapers.org/archive/sinPG
>>45454
What the fuck is that about?
>>45381
>law
Nope. Better get a PhD or die trying then.
>>45454
What in the fuck am I reading.
>>45404
It has seasonality and the turn, which are far more important than counting vowel lengths.
I have an A-Level in History. Doesn't mean shit, though. Maybe I'll do a degree or something if I ever stop being a poorfag.
Memetic Engineer undergrad student here. Currently working on the expansion of a memetic field into an acultured social subset.
>>45404
The original probably had 17 on.
I'm studying to become a high school history teacher. I'm only a freshman however. I'm here to learn.
>>39620
I have a bachelor's of history. I'm a /pol/ack.
I realized that degrees don't mean much, what you do for it is so specialized or libtarded makebelieve "history" that it doesn't mean you're automatically a history buff because you have a degree. You become a history buff by reading history on your own. A degree just lets you into the academic world so you can see how the history sausage gets made.
>>45745
Try to get some time in substitute teaching before you go in as the proper thing.
Learning good classroom management techniques is the mostly incredibly important part of becoming a good teacher, from what I've seen. It doesn't matter how strong your grasp of the material is if none of the students are listening to you.
>>39620
I didn't have time to get a degree in History, but I've had a few upper level classes that reignited my interest in the subject. I imagine if I go on to get my Masters, I'll see if I can double-major history or something. If that's too much work I may just let it be, I'm content being an armchair historian, and I have no interest in teaching history.
>>39620
I study law but have an interest in history, I read primary sources, an occasional book and peer reviewed papers.
Does that make me an armchair historian?
I'm a cook and I'm also incredibly dumb.
>>39620
Ahh good old academic snobbery ruining yet another intellectual hobby of mine. I dont get my information of off wikipedia I own actual books. Youre not better than me, you likely only know one area of history in great detail and the rest you dont know anymore than I do. You probably also earn less than me because you were stupid enough to make history your profession, kek.
>>40140
I will in fact make a reminder for that. Sounds neat.
>>45819
That's good advice. Thanks anon.
>>45921
>You probably also earn less than me because you were stupid enough to make history your profession, kek.
This is why the snobbery exists in the first place when you have an attitude like this
>>41151
I am also an Assyriology PhD student. In what country are you?
>>45921
>Youre not better than me, you likely only know one area of history in great detail and the rest you dont know anymore than I do. You probably also earn less than me because you were stupid enough to make history your profession, kek.
Why do you feel the need to be a cunt on the internet?
Is it because you know you aren't a very good historian?
Working on my masters titles: Judaic feminism during ethnic expulsion from Catalonia.
>>45921
Is history the only discipline where this attitude is prevalent? Even with other humanities, you would never see someone claiming to be a Dickens expert just because they read his works once through.
I have history and philosophy bachelors and a JD so I'm a rare A&S major who makes a good living
The history program at my university was pretty damn good
I routinely had to produce 25-30 page papers for certain professors
to this day I love watching historical documentaries on youtube and the like
my "specialties" in history were African history and medieval european history, took four classes in each
>>41324
you're also the fag who keeps slipping in ching chong words like senpai and desu. this isn't narutostreamzx.net, so stop talking like a retard.
>>39620
>Masters in 'Histoporn: the Sexualization of History in Popular Culture,' a study in how History has become hyper sexualized on Television, Movies and print, and what that means for the telling of History and the Academic Profession.
Sounds like insane drivel, desu
Wikipedia is actually highly valid when contrasted with actual, big name thesauruses.
I'd rather argue with a Wikipedia-warrior than someone who has read an elaborate, yet egregiously biased account of some historical topic. I doubt many discussions on this board will draw upon much more than cursory knowledge anyways.
>>46088
You're welcome. Check out what the requirements are for substitute teaching in your state! Where I live, substitutes only need an associate's degree in any field-- if that's true where you live, you could do just one more year of college and then try your hand at subbing, if you wanted to dive in at the first opportunity.
>>46323
Go ask /lit/ about David Foster Wallace.
>>46389
>had to write that many 30 page papers
I dont mind writing long pages but i believe the content matters more than the length
I mean why write 20 pages of redundancy when you can write 10 pages of good shit is what im trying tonget at
>actual IRL Historians with academic degrees and shit
If only my country's colleges weren't marxist blobs, maybe I could study History.
No wonder why our educational system is shit, only low tier students want a History degree because it's truly easy to get into university, our teachers are low tier, therefore our students are below average, and so on.
>>46522
>his professors dont leave bullshit politics at the door
Kek my professors do that and i live in fucking massachusetts
>>46443
Unfortunately the college I am in is in the middle of nowhere and I don't have my own car yet. I'll probably have to wait until I graduate.
>>46522
What's ur cunt?
>>46287
I'll be nice and bite.
You're using the wrong buzzwords. "Feminism" is a sociology buzzword, not a history one. Next time, use a phrase like, "Female perspectives" rather than simply "feminism", and you might actually get the response to your trolling you desire.
>>46508
Short essays test your ability to concisely deal with a topic, and your ability to talk in depth about what you consider the most important things and prove WHY they are the most important.
Longer essays judge your ability to tie more and more things into a coherent and cogent argument. The longer the essay the more important it is that it flows and generally agrees with itself throughout.
>>46683
yeah this
I mean I get that saying the same thing three times might work on a prof but if you didn't fill up a blue book during my medieval history essay exams you are not getting better than a B because you didn't really expound on much
>>39620
I'm doubling in Environmental Planning and Religious Studies (undergrad). Fiance is doing PhD in late medieval history.
>>46677
>Female perspectives
way to individuate and rely on the enlightenment subject.
I'm currently working on my undergrad at a Christian university (Harding, if you're curious). It's interesting, to say the least. So far my classes have been fraught with anti-postmodern lectures and general pushes against the demonizing of religion and attempts to secularize history. Which I appreciate. But it also means that I haven't gotten much chance to study other religions, and most philosophical work I've gotten to have has been underwhelming to say the least (there's a GIGANTIC Bible department with about 20 professors, and one, single, lonely, PhD in Philosophy professor who's actually lumped into that department).
That being said, I genuinely do love it despite all the bullshit. Although I am really curious to see how grad school is going to shape up. I still haven't figured out where I am going to go. So far I know I want to go for 19th century European history of ideas. But that's all I got.
>>46683
I get ya
>>46677
>female perspectives
Not every feminist is a female. It's 2015 and in academia I thought we would be beyond gender titles
>>46211
what? im the cunt? you started it by insulting me calling me an armchair historian who gets his informationbon wikipedia. You implied my sources are trash and i dont know what im talking about just because i dont have a degree So I say fuck you, at least I have a job that can actually pay the bills. Normally I wouldnt give a shit about someones income because its hard out there but if youre going to waltz in with an air of superiority then imbgonna bite back.
>>47097
>you started it
I'm not the OP you fucking retard, but you've taken a LOT of offense at being called an armchair historian, which, if history isn't your profession you are.
Whether you have good sources or not, the amount of offense you have taken is a little odd.
>do you get your sources from wikipedia
>n..no, but at least my family don't starve and I earn money!!!
wew lad, you are no better than the OP
Currently working on my masters in history.
I have a thesis titled
Discoveries related to the field of Physical Sciences within Pre-colonial Africa.
I'll admit it is rather challenging given how there is so little to work with evidence wise.
>>47271
This
>>47389
I'm glad somebody gets it :)
>>47389
Or at least a understanding of History that doesn't come from the fucking History Channel.
>>47430
But don't you want to hear about how Queen Elizabeth is actually a lizard man from Venus?
>>47551
Or 10,000 documentaries about Hitler.
>>47568
Or a mini-series about Jesus' sex life.
>>40093
You need to learn how to discipline those stupid kids and get them in line. Can you kick them out of class? Call parents? Tell them your expectations before every class in how they should behave? Give out detentions? If it's an Arab country corporal punishment is a thing, and I know through the grapevine if the parents hear their kids are fucking around in the class (not doing homework, etc) they'll smack 'em one too. Positive reinforcement is a good thing too but with annoying little high school jerks it won't work at all. They may hate you, but they will learn.
I double majored in English/History and got my honours for my undergrad so I've got a solid rock foundation in it. I didn't take it too seriously during school and once I aced the ten or so courses I needed to to get my honours I just did a mediocre job in my classes. Now that I'm older and more mature I think I'll save up so I can bump up my grades, and get higher grades so I can go for my masters and PhD. Being a professor would be real nifty.
>>47271
no "armchair" is a derogatory term originating from fat middle aged men who scream at ripped athletes on TV to do better. You know what you meant dontntry and hide it.
>>47389
I endorse this message.
>>39620
History teacher here
BA History, MA Education, PhD Shitposting
>>47768
Not him, but you're idiocy and ignorance is showing. Watching one documentary or reading one line from wikipedia or on a Stormfront blog is shit-tier history and you deserve to be called out for it.
>>47749
>You know what you meant
>>47271
>I'm not the OP you fucking retard
Are you sure you are good at reading sources?
And what phrase would you prefer, amateur or hobbyist? I bet you would be offended by that too, as you seem to value your own 'interest' readings as much as anyones 3+ years of detailed study,
I too like to watch pornography of macedonian warriors.
>>44764
>your opinion on historical subjects has no value whatsoever
Kek, you're probably one of those idiots that think military historians are second-rate when compared to those who study ancient phallus art or Republic era Roman basket-weaving or the ancient tradition of Uyghur circular comasturbation from Xinjiang province or some shit.
So somehow reading a book and having someone give you a certificate of having read that book makes you better than someone who simply reads the book. The internal politics of the study of history is the reason why I'm not a history major anymore. The abandonment of historical accuracy in favor of politically correct historical revisionism and the filtering of historical analysis for the purpose of reconciling it with the narrative aim of the academic elite is some of the biggest cancer in academia right now.
At least in biology, there is true and there is false. There is not your "truth" and my "truth", there is only truth.
Are you working with another student who's doing hers on 'HBO's America: Band of Brothers, the Pacific and Television History'?
Do you two help to pioneer writing on television and history?
Did you bang yet?
Majoring in history has taught me this.
Your degree is essentially just a piece of paper…and you guys already know this…no big shocker here
The truth is that in college history classes you read a shit ton of books and then you talk about it with your professor.
Just read a shit ton of books about the stuff you like and watch videos/documentaries. Getting a doctorate is basically worthless because you aren't going to get a college teaching position.
Major in history. Get your teaching job to pay the bills. Then in the free time in your summers go to a local community college and offer to teach a class or try and create one. Don't waste your time with a PhD just read books all the fucking time.
>>47900
I'm engaged to a military historian who is getting his Master in WWI. I don't value one history topic or another.
So I stopped reading right there, I bet you went off on some dumbass rant that barely hides your hurt feelings.
>>47430
Fucking this, man. You don't need a degree to have a comprehensive mind. As long as you know what you're talking about and don't just believe every thing you read/see on daytime TV and the news, I'd say you're good to go.
>>47963
Yes, Hopefully and no.
You must have been in the /qa/ thread.
>>44272
you wat m8 the first book we covered in history 101 was a historiography text.
Second year undergrand just declared my major and am currently deciding on whether I want to double major in Russian or get my teacher licenscure. Also currently working on a paper on soviet propaganda in the thirties and forties.
>>47749
>Being a professor would be real nifty.
It won't be. It is one of the most oversupplied jobs. You need 2 books to get hired these days. And then write one every 3 years.
It takes 5 years to write a monograph btw.
I'm a four-year history graduate, wrote a undergrad "thesis" (I know I'm not quite professional historian tier, but I spent a lot of time on it) on the land grab in Africa setting up WWI. Was planning on grad school but decided to get out of the ivory tower and work for a while (got a pretty decent job, no STEM required). I think history is really interesting and we definitely need sharp people to keep tabs on that shit because otherwise the ignorant, the partisan, and the lazy will define our past for us. However, as a fairly scientifically minded person, I get discouraged by just how difficult it is to get hard facts about the past. Historians in the future are gonna have it so easy with everything entombed on the internet forever. Lucky fucks.
>>47900
>So somehow reading a book and having someone give you a certificate of having read that book makes you better than someone who simply reads the book.
This is retarded. As someone who has a history degree to MA level I would never assume that my certificate means I know more than him.
I can fucking guarantee though that he hasn't read as many recent books on my specific areas of interest, especially ones that are definitely not in wide enough circulation (as in only available at the British Library etc).
You and I probably know similar amounts of History outside of my degree focus, but I fucking know you don't know nearly as much as I do about Diocletian's building projects and a bunch of other topics beside.
People wouldn't read a book about electronics and say they were as good as someone who has studied electronics, but in history this seems to be okay.
>>48101
>However, as a fairly scientifically minded person, I get discouraged by just how difficult it is to get hard facts about the past. Historians in the future are gonna have it so easy with everything entombed on the internet forever. Lucky fucks.
That's what I want to write my PhD on. How much History will change when we have the most complete records of all and can come closest to the ideal of a 'balanced' history.
>>48047
You lucky git. They really do keep historiography from undergrads in most history programs that I have heard of, including the one I did. Read up on it some on my own and I really wish that shit was in high school, never mind college.
>>47900
>wahhh the PC police is in charge of history
Shut the fuck up, stupid /pol/tard.
>>48162
This. A thousand fucking times this.
Question to actual academics: I'm considering doing a American History MA in the next couple years, mostly out of personal pleasure since I've found a cheap enough program to splurge on it. However my deepest interests run more ancient, and I'm wondering do schools ever let you cross specialties in teaching? I have no strong desire to become a US history teacher, but if I could occasionally sub for someone teaching Roman History and eventually get these classes for myself, I'd go full blown career in it.
Question prompted by >>42222 who might be fibbing, or if not is possibly dead by now.
I have no history degree.
I am a software developer. In my spare time I work on mods for GS history games.
I've done so since I was 14 when I was joining and flaking a bunch of RTW mod teams. I actually talked with GJ a few times (creator of RTR) if anyone cares.
I guess I'm an armchair historian, most of my history is done through emotionally-driven research, where someone says something I don't like so I dig through primary sources to prove them wrong. And reading overly verbose history arguments on video game forums
>>39690
fifel get out of here you are embarrassing #4chan
It sounds like an interesting subject to me. I
would like to read it.
>>48162
This for fuck sake
>>41576
it's been already written https://github.com/bibanon/4chan.doc/releases
it relies almost entirely on anecdotal evidence. The summary is more or less a stub.
>>48162
You don't know shit about Diocletian's building projects, pussy. I'll have you know I've spent over 9000 hours recreating all of Diocletian's building projects out of clay, pop-sickle sticks, and paper mache. I've engineered and reverse-engineered all of his building projects in AutoCAD, and am a chairman of Architect & Surveyor Society, of the History Of Late Empire department (or ASS HOLE for short). I know everything there is to know about the architecture and engineering capabilities of the Roman Empire.
Debate me, faggit.
>>47389
REEEEEEEEEE
(I actually do sympathize though. Most people have opinions on history, and most people have done no work to back those opinions up)
My sides
>>41240
B-but history is supposed to help me wank off to testosterone-driven fantasies of glory, not offer nuanced insight into the causal progression of civilization over time!
>>40948
>and I want to know why.
Are you stupid? People have always liked shows with sex and violence, the history is just a cheap backdrop to add spice. This doesn't need an entire major dedicated to it.
>>48453
>recreating all of Diocletian's building
this sounds hard, considering how little we know about how they looked 8^)
good post tho, I chuckled. Have the Decennalia monument base.
>>48071
Sounds like fun.
>>48183
One of my faorite moments so far was during my class on East Asia's economic history and the professor assigned a historiography paper. the class was roughly 75% econ majors and 10% poly-sci majors who had no idea what the fuck they were doing. It was like watching chickens with their heads cut off.
Is Lindybeige a good source for a non-history student?
>>47834
>makes shitloads of implications about my knowledge level
>calls me ignorant
>>39620
I graduate this year with a degree in history.
Now I work as a NEET, writing shitposts on the internet.
God bless
>>47389
>proof of history degree
>fucking normies
Used to be everyone who wanted to be considered well-educated had to be able to competently discuss history and humanities. That's the way things should be if you ask me, not a path of complete specialization where the only people who are allowed to be interested in something are the people who devote their entire life to it.
This isn't a professional website, this is 4chan. People can come here and spew shit out of their mouths if they want, they just do so under the understanding that if they out themselves as retards they'll get laughed at. Then they go back to lurking and eventually they post again and actually add something to the discussion.
But by all means protect your secret club, faggot
>>40894
Law school is only worth it if you can get into a T14, unless you want to be a public defender barely out of poverty your whole life.
>>48769
>posts implying he knows as much about history as someone who actually practices it as his permanent speciality
>implies all people with history degrees can't earn any money
>thinks this isn't a bad viewpoint
>>41209
Pretty damn specific anon. Most of the big picture stuff on French Rev./Napoleon has been done to death a million times over. The point is to contribute to the body of knowledge, which is usually requires a pretty nuanced point. Kind of like how physics only makes small steps forward now that standard theory is mostly nailed down.
>>48740
>historiography teacher was shit
>dont remember how to write one
>never even got to see what i did wrong
>apparently got a B, but have no idea how or why because i never saw my paper again
Suicide still an option right?
>>47389
>There should be a mandatory history test or at least some kind of proof of a history or history related degree before you're allowed to post here.
I wish, a googleproof history test would be amazing.
>>48886
I recommend reading History: a very short introduction by John H. Arnold before taking the easy way out. It's a very easy to understand entry level text.
>>46420
>doesn't know about the word filters
>>47900
>tfw you feel the same way
>tfw your books are written by the same academic establishment you hate
How do we escape this bullshit? Is it too much to ask for no bias and no snobbery?
>>48162
Its actually a hot topic on /g/, are university educated programmers even any better than self tauht programmers. I believe that in vocational and humanities subjects its totally possible to attain mastery by studying it on your own. regardless i dont believe im a master of history i just dont like my knowledge being trashed just because it didnt come from a lecture theatre.
>>48978
I mean im doing VERY well in all of my classes. But that class i feel like nearly ruined me. It was an awful experience and i will never understand why i only got a B
Like seriously it eats at me man. I feel like its going to bite me in my ass
>>49017
>I believe that in vocational and humanities subjects its totally possible to attain mastery by studying it on your own.
What's your opinion on the possibility of immanent totalisation and the bearer of the subjectivity; and, are trade union studies an adequate test of the aforementioned?
>>48274
The fibber here.
It depends on the school. Unless you are tenured and become chair of the department, you have to stick to what the school offers. So if they don't have Ancient Rome, you are fucked. Also, if you are a newbie, you'll have to get whatever leftover shit remains. However, you do get dibs before the adjuncts, and you usually get to set your own hours.
>>39620
I'm a hobby historian through and through [spoiler]although I do do a law degree so that's kinda like history[/spoiler]. Currently trying to find a copy of the Alexiad to read after exams
>>49073
good luck man I know how a shit teacher can ruin your academic progress
>tfw you used to be in the honors math track.
>>48162
>he thinks he knows more about Diocletian than me.
I have so much passion for the Dominate you dont even understand. You think casual history enthusiasts are a pushover but you fail to understand the sheer power of autism.
>>49178
I mean im doing very well. A couple more classes and i can join my schools honor society, but im just very worried man
>>39620
BA is history. I didnt work too hard but It would be nice to go to grad school
>>49017
>I believe that in vocational and humanities subjects its totally possible to attain mastery by studying it on your own.
I'm sorry I couldn't disagree with this any less. You can't attain 'mastery' over History at all, you can gain mastery over a small (really small) section of History with dedicated study if that's pretty much all you do.
You can gain a good level of knowledge through just your own attempts, but if you have your own job that you actually have to put work into there is no way you can have any mastery of history.
I could easily read up to 100 books and journal articles etc for a single essay on the narrowest of topics in my MA, but someone who has read maybe 5 books on the entirety of Imperial Rome will be perfectly happy to tell me I'm wrong on the internet and it's 'academic snobbery' for me to suggest otherwise.
You don't need a degree to understand history or contribute to discussion, but it isn't snobbery for me to know I have more authority on some topics than people who haven't studied those topics.
>>48837
>I read history books a few hours every day
>You read history books a few hours every day
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE?
>>49277
>but if you have your own job that you actually have to put work into
Where the hell do you think you are?
>>39620
I got a BA in history and I'm working on a Ph.D right now. My dissertation concerns the similarities and differences in the way antislavery and proslavery advocates portrayed fatherhood in 19th century America. I'm currently working on acquiring sources from a lot of historical societies around the nation--most of them duplicate their microfilm holdings as pdf or have them online digitized, which really makes things easier for me!
>>39620
i have a masters in art history
>>49277
>I read 5 books on Imperial Rome
>You read no books on Imperial Rome because your professor made you concentrate on Cambodian basket weaving for five years
Who knows more about Imperial Rome?
>>49290
I'm concerned that this view is so widespread.
Outside of my degree, the chances are we have similar amounts of knowledge spread around to whatever subjects we each find more interesting, and I have never pretended I know more IN GENERAL about history than you do. I don't.
The difference comes in where I have actual degree specialization. If you think your 'a few hours of reading a day' makes you an equal authority on what I spent years reading many hours a day on I don't really know what to say.
>ITT
>>49460
>professor makes you concentrate on something
idk what it's like where you are but here in England I was pretty much allowed to make all my own topics, so long as I ran them past my lecturer first.
>>49505
I never said I did, what I am arguing against is the belief that if you dont have a history degree all you know is from 5 minutes on wikipedia
>>49591
Ok I'm not sure if you are trolling me, but I'll say it one last time.
I'm not the OP.
I'm glad you read history books, I think more people should!
And for the record, I read loads of wikipedia. For most things its innaccuracy is overblown. For overviews of events its fine, but nuanced knowledge of historical interpretations of events and some more 'unusual' topics it lacks (which isn't a flaw, it's just not for that).
For example if you wanted a rundown on the Tetrarchic system, go for wikipedia sure, it's honestly fine! If you want to look at patterns in coin minting during the Tetrarchy it just isn't going to get you very far.
>>49739
Professor jensen is that you?
>>49772
No, sorry.
Almost free with a BA in History.
>>41132
You've got shit taste in historical methods m8. Dealing with ideologues and revisionist scum is one thing, but strict adherence to the Great Man theory is pretty limiting.
>>49538
Please, at least history can be paired up with an education degree and fast-track to a teaching position. We're not foundering like those useless fucks that majored in other "soft sciences". 2/10, I replied.
>>48909
>googleproof history test
All I can think of are trick questions such as who was the last Roman emperor to visit the British Isles or which was the last white British governor to successfully rebel.
>>49806
>strict adherence to the Great Man theory is pretty limiting.
Not him but I think it's safe to say a lot of current courses have gone too far in the opposite direction purely out of reaction.
>>49933
protip its not Honorius or any American governor of the thirteen colonies
>>49933
I'd fail the fuck out of this.
Guess that means I should read more.
>>39620
I was going to do Introduction to Slavic History in uni. Other than that, there's a few history-related subjects I'll be doing.
History of international relations, other international relations subjects covering asia and africa, history of economic thinking, and I'm learning a fair share of history in my Persian class. I am also learning a lot of history in my Introduction to Slavic Literature class, since we cover 5 countries in a semester.
But well, this is my first year and I have no degree. What I can say is - I am getting a widespread education that makes me qualified to debate history, albeit I won't have any specific knowledge.
Also, I had no mistakes in my year 12 history exam, hehe. But I couldn't finish it because I was hungry. Missed 75% of the big-ass exercise that was worth 25% of the score.
>>41125
>One question for people who are into history over archaeology: how do you find having no 'practical' aspect to the work?
What do you mean by this? As in it has to practical use? Or that you won't be working with your hands?
>>50890
The answers are
Manuel II Palaiologos, Byzantine emperor who visited what is now a south London suburb in 1400 to have a chat with Henry VIII about the Turkish problem. Trick question because the Byzantine Empire and Roman Empire was technically the same thing it just morphed culture and administration over time to an unrecognizeable medieval Greek nation.
Second answer would be Ian Smith. When Rhodesia declared independence in 1965 it was not with British approval. In fact the colonial office straight up forbade it because they feared a communist takeover. Britain considered sending troops but decided to just sanction them instead because you know they had no more money to fight colonial wars. It is why Rhodesia failed, Britian ensured they were an international pariah from day one as revenge for their "rebellion"
History degree here. Did my thesis on the social definition of chivalry according to medieval fiction and nonfiction sources. Did a lot of research into witchcraft in England as well (if you're interested in crazy people look up Montague Summers, one of my favorites).
History basic protip: everyone should read primary sources, they're informative and sometimes hilarious. They're easily found in source books that compile primary sources into a certain topic or time period.
>>40881
u at nottingham uni senpai?
>>51764
Charles V visited England in 1520.
In before "the translatio imperii was a lie".
>So, how many of us are actual IRL Historians with academic degrees and shit and not mere armchair Historians
No, I picked a degree that will actually see me employed.
Though I did fill my electives and humanities with courses based on greek and roman history and culture.
