>you will never be a member of the Sea People
>you will never fuck up civilizations so hard they forget how to read and write
>>384388
Sea people didn't fuck up anybody that hard. They struck at a time when the climate was being shitty for agriculture and in turn they helped trigger a systematic collapse of Bronze Age era trade and central governance.
The only people who forgot to read and write were the Greeks, Luwians, Egyptians, Assyrians/Summerians retained their literacy.
Greeks lost the ability because only a small number of people were probably literate in the first place. With the collapse of their society there was no way to continue to tradition.
>implying the collapse was caused by those fuckers alone
19th century wants you back.
They did the world a favor. If it wasn't for them destroying Bronze Age civilization we would all still be using pictographs.
No phonetic written language means no effective printing press which means no Enlightenment which means no industrial revolution.
The industrial revolution was because of the Sea People.
I like how just because they're called the Sea Peoples most of the reconstructions of them show them literally standing in or near the ocean.
>>384572
Well yeah, that probably is how they spent a lot of their time. Being sea people and all.
So were they related to the Nuragic civilization?
>>384602
no evidence for any relation, even geographic location seems to be too far from levant
>>384511
sea is that way--->
Is there identity truly as mysterious as is popularly thought. They were probably Phoenicians.
>>384640
I just find it interesting they share similar crested headdresses compared to the depiction of the Sea Peoples on Egyptian reliefs.
My favorite thing about the Sea Peoples was how fucking ominous Egyptian writings got around that period. They basically wrote about how all of a sudden whole areas of their known world went dark and they stopped receiving communication from more and more areas around them as if the lights were going out as some unknown monster approached.
>>384388
>implying they weren't mycenaeans
>implying they themselves weren't a civilization that fucked up so hard they forgot to read and write
>>384920
>implying their were mycenaeans
Sea people are thought to be responsible for the destruction of Pylos, the largest Mycenaean center in the western Peloponnese.
>>386318
Are the*
>>384917
Egyptians were a bunch of sissies. Memphis probably fell to 10 guys in chariots on a saturday picnic
>>384917
He sounds so relieved when it's over
>The [Egyptian] charioteers were warriors [...], and all good officers, ready of hand. Their horses were quievering in their every limb, ready to crush the [foreign] countries under their feet...Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their heart and soul are finished forever and ever.
>>384917
Yeah it's creepy as fuck.
>Still believing the Greek Dark ages happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Rohl)
>A Test of Time proposes a down-dating (bringing closer to the present), by several centuries, of the Egyptian New Kingdom, thus requiring a major revision of the conventional chronology of ancient Egypt. Rohl asserts that this would permit scholars to identify some of the major events in the Old Testament with events in the archaeological record, and identify some of the well-known biblical characters with historical figures who appear in contemporary ancient texts. Lowering the Egyptian dates also dramatically affects the dating of dependent chronologies, such as that currently employed for the Greek "Heroic Age" of the Late Bronze Age, removing the Greek Dark Age and lowering the dates of the Trojan War to within a couple of generations of a 9th-century-BC Homer and his most famous composition: The Iliad.
>Rohl identifies Labaya, a local ruler in Canaan whose activities are documented in the Amarna Letters, with King Saul, and identifies King David with Dadua ("Tadua"), also mentioned in Amarna Letter EA256. Saul and Labaya share the same demise - "both die in battle - against a coalition of city states from the coastal plain - on or near Mount Gilboa, both as a result of betrayal."[5] Both also have a surviving son whose name translates as "Man of Baal."
>The New Chronology places King Solomon at the end of the wealthy Late Bronze Age, rather than in the relatively impoverished Early Iron Age. Rohl and other New Chronology researchers contend that this fits better with the Old Testament description of Solomon's wealth.
Shiggy
>>387549
>Greek
>Talks about Middle East.
>>384388
I sometimes imagine that Sea People were workers in copper mines in Spain or Greece or some shit, who rebelled against the oppressive regime, and or people within the city-states that had enough of near-slavery so they rebelled and burned their city down.
The fact that cities were destroyed deep into inlands and in such a wide are, kind of supports the second part, but I'm probably assigning modern reasons for the destruction.
Also I really wish there would be a tv show about the end of Bronze age (like got, just historical). It would be the comfiest show ever.
>>384640
Well, I'm not him, but there is Nuragic pottery in the eastern med and especially they've found Nuragic pottery in Cyprus in a site considered to be inhabited by the sea people.
Also it's been discovered recently the the Nuragics managed to import melons to western Europe around 1300 bc, in fact they're the first one who cultivated melons in west. Europe apparently.
And at that time they could have gotten those seeds only from the Eastern Med, particularly Egypt or maybe the Levant, so they did have frequent contacts with the eastern kingdmos.
>>387549
This is so much nonsense in a single post it's pretty incredible.
For one thing archaeologists are confident in the dating of the Troy destruction layers and the ancient Greeks themselves dated the Trojan War to 1195, just 5 years off from our date for the destruction of Troy VII.
You can't 'remove' the Greek Dark Age, since we have archaeological evidence for it's existence all around mainland Greek and the islands. Not only do we find structures different from those of the bronze age, and different forms of ritual worship to match, and we identify pottery continuity, but we can also identify limited continuity of trade between the LHIIIC and Geometric Periods.
I mean, wow. He is ignoring 50 years of Greek Archaeology across 3 modern countries + all other evidence such as literature.
>>386318
>>386320
Nobody knows. It's believed they were just raiders, probably out pillaging because of climatic upheaval ruining crops or because of some other phenomenon. Names of the Sea people are identified with Greeks, Sardinians, Southern Anatolians (iirc) and Levantine people.
>>384687
It's fairly widely thought now that the Philistines were basically Sea Peoples who settled down. Where they came from is a bit hazier, but it's probably Cyprus or Anatolia.
>>384488
fuck you with your shitty joke.
>>384511
didn't the chinese have printing press?
>>384687
Maybe you mean Philistines.
Phoenicians were the native of Canaan and were reffered to as such by the Egyptians since before the Philistines came, plus the Philistines had a Indo-European language (or at least somewhat related to mycenean) while the Phoenicians had a semitic one.
>>384511
Ugaritic people adopted an alphabet before the phoenicians during the bronze age.
I think an Egyptian alphabet existed too long before the phoenician one.
>>386262
>>386262
They could still be Myceneans. One faction of Myceneans could easily decide that they didn't like the temples from another, especially when they're all changing their lifestyle anyway to one of raiding and conscripting, instead of supporting the palace economy.
>yfw they found the labyrinth
>for real
>>387549
Dark ages are periods when history is not recorded in documents by contemporaries.
>>384388
Any recommended reading on the Sea Peoples?
I vaguely remember hearing that some people theorize that the "Sea People", or at least some smaller group with a connection to them may have been predecessors to the 12 Tribes of Israel. Does /his/ know of any credible sources about that theory?
WHO WAS THE SEA PEOPLE AND WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?
>>389248
>12 Tribes of Israel
You don't want to go there Anon.
>>389248 Denyen
No they have been connected to the Philistines, the Denyen group of Sea People have been suggested to relate to the tribe of Dan but there is literally no evidence for that.
But aliens are better
youtube.com/watch?v=MvacG_nhD34
Sea people = early game zergrush?
>>389280
besides a similar sounding name of course, which is the basis for alot of psuedohistory
>>386262
The people that destroyed this parts of the world doesn't have to be the one that destroyed Hattusa or the ones defeated by the egyptians.
It's consistent to say that the "sea peoples" destroyed Mycenae but (some of them) were Mycenians. The Sea Peoples were not a single people, hence the plural.
>>389117
The new stuff on Aqua Man is alright.
>>384475
>The only people who forgot to read and write were the Greeks, Luwians, Egyptians, Assyrians/Summerians retained their literacy.
This sentence is poorly formulated, I thought you should know. You're welcome.
>>389270
There was
The Denyen: identified with the Greek Danaoi
The Ekwesh: possibly Achaens
The Lukka: an Anatolian people
The Peleset: whose name derives the Philistines/Palestine
The Shekelesh: believed to be Sicilians
The Sherden: see the Nuragic Civilization
The Teresh: see the Tyrrhenians
The Tjeker: ?
The Weshesh: ?
Nine different groups made up the Sea People and none of these are known for sure.
>>391040
>>The only people who forgot to read and write were the Greeks. Luwians, Egyptians, Assyrians/Summerians retained their literacy.
fix'd
>>384602
Why are horned helmets so boss /his/?
