So what the hell happened
Spainfags and Portufags had like a hundred-year head start on the colonization game and international overseas trade game and they ended up getting lapped hard by the french and british later on anyway
>>366916
the catholic church will do that do you
Inflation and Hapsburgs.
Also population not matching those of France.
>>366916
Continental wars bled Iberia dry of silver and gold, which led to its financial domination by Italian, Dutch, and English bankers as it spiraled downwards into inflation. Furthermore, the other European powers unleashed their corporations on Spanish and Portuguese colonies while fighting the Hapsburgs on the continent. These merchants allied with native powers tired of the crusading attitude of their old masters and overthrew them across the Indian Ocean.
>>366932
explain France and Austria then.
>>366969
the portuguese empire was already a dead corpse by the time Portugal got dragged into continental wars
>>366976
Portugal and Spain are more rural, the church has a stronger grip on power and iberian kings had a tendency to be retarded
literally the hapsburgs, with a native dinasty that focused in the new world and the med possesions instead of retarded claims to the HRE, and religious fights
>>366998
>iberians
no.
>>366998
>>367010
>Iberian kings
>tfw no Trastamaran dynasty beyond Isabella
She was such a fucking good ruler
She could actually into money for once in Spain/Castile's fucking life
>>367010
well, I'm sorry
>That unique feel in Europa Universalis 2 when Spain is the the very height of power and prestige
>at least 300,000 troops stationed on the mainland
>more in Mexico, South America, Flemish lands, God knows how many in Italy
>generals out the ass
>Counter-Reformation morale boost, 50,000 troops in Castille literally cannot be defeated
>slowly, oh so slowly, you catch up in technology
>soon, soon
>the casus belli comes, it's time
>Cannons and strategic wisdom overcome the Spanish juggernaut
>Repeated wars every five years steal every single mainland province of theirs except for Castille
>turn Spain into a vassal as its western hemispheric territories are plundered
>diploannex them ten years later
>FUCK PAPISTS
>>366916
>New Jerusalem
wait, what?
When you are portuguese, thread seems nice but everyone just talks about Spain
>feels bad man
>>366916
france, britain and the netherlands were in an inherently better position, once they adopted the naval technology they could produce more cannons, ships, they could invest more in improving technology so that the brits can defeat the spanish armada and a single pirate like sir walter raleigh can run rings around them
>>367050
Why didn't the Iberian Union stick?
>>367029
go back to your containment thread
>>367050
>>367043
One guy founds a colony in Vanuatu while looking for Australia, but it instantly fails.
>>367061
First spanish king was ok, second was bad the third was flat out inbread/retarded
Also the dutch had been taking advantage of Portuguese colonies for decades
>>367057
by better position what do you mean?
>>367093
Not him, but I assume geographically, industrially, and politically.
>>366916
Portguese had no experience with managing large colonies successfully and also did not have the logistic and systematic capabilities.
As for the Spanish, well, the entire founding of the Spanish empire was based on the national treasury on the verge of bankruptcy and the government being hungry for gold.
>>367196
>Portguese had no experience with managing large colonies successfully and also did not have the logistic and systematic capabilities.
this doesn't mean anything lol. none of the other countries had them either until they started having them lol
